The ties that bind Eduardo Nunez and Cliff Lee

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Meet Eduardo Nunez. The 23-year-old short stop out of the Dominican Republic signed with the Yankees in 2004. For AAA Scranton this year, Nunez is hitting .305/.354/.405, and his 107 hits are tops in the International League. He may also be the reason why the Yankees did not acquire Cliff Lee on Friday.

As the story goes, the Yankees and Mariners had a handshake agreement late Thursday night for a swap that would have sent Cliff Lee to the Yankees and Jesus Montero, David Adams and Zach McAllister to Seattle. When Seattle took a look at Adams’ medicals and determined that something in the reports about Adams’ ankle injuries were alarming, they balked on the deal. As Joel Sherman relates this morning, the Mariners went back to Yanks’ GM Brian Cashman and requested Nunez. Here’s how Sherman, clearly with some help from Yankee sources, tells the story:

However, the only way Seattle would have considered accepting a Yankee package once Smoak was included by Texas was if touted Triple-A shortstop Eduardo Nunez was included with Montero. That was the Mariners’ initial request earlier in the month and the Yankees had refused, and they refused again. They simply could not justify, in their mind, giving up their two best position prospects at Triple-A for this trade because they wanted Lee, but they did not absolutely need Lee.

Did the Yanks think Lee was a piece that greatly increased their chances to win a 28th championship? Yes. But at the time of the trade the Yanks had the best record in the majors and believed they could win the championship without Lee and, therefore, could not justify giving up two high-end talents that are nearly major-league ready for Lee, especially because Lee is a free agent after the year and besides the prospect the Yanks would have to pay top-of-the-market dollars to retain Lee.

I have little reason to doubt Sherman, but I can’t wrap my head around this thinking by the Yanks. The team has always thought highly of Nunez; after all, they signed him when he was a 16 year old and moved him to the States for the 2005 season. Following a solid year at Staten Island, Baseball America ranked him sixth in a depleted farm system. As the league’s third-youngest position player, Nunez dazzled in the field and flashed a then-exceptional bat for a middle infielder.

The Yanks were so pleased with Nunez’s 2005 campaign that they bumped him up to the High A club in Tampa, but then the prospect wheels fell off. He didn’t hit in Tampa and then didn’t hit upon being demoted to Charleston. After repeating A ball in 2007 and 2008, Nunez found himself in Trenton in 2009 where he reemerged as a prospect. He hit .322/.349/.433, and Baseball America ranked him 14th in their annual Prospect Handbook. He was the only true short stop ranked in the Yanks’ top 30, but BA projected him as a “utilityman at the big league level.”

“Nunez has athletic ability and good all-around tools,” the book says. “He’s a free swinger who may not have the plate discipline to bring solid power out on a consistent basis. He made good strides with the bat last season, though, making more consistent contact….Nunez has the size, strength and quickness to play shortstop. His arm is his best tool, though it sometimes gets him into trouble on defense when he tries to make plays he shouldn’t. His lack of concentration also contributed to 33 errors in 120 games at short last year.”

Last year, the Yankees restated their commitment to Nunez. The team seems to like his toolsiness, and coverage this year indicates better defensive play and a more focused approach at the plate. He could very well be a better option than Kevin Russo or Ramiro Pena now, but the team doesn’t want to stint his development by having him sit on the bench in the Bronx.

So where does that leave the Yanks? Outside of the fact that they feel jobbed by Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik for the second time in two seasons and probably won’t be too keen on doing the Mariners a favor any time soon, the Yanks may have overplayed their cards. They know Jeter is getting old; they know they’re going to re-sign him; they know he isn’t too keen on moving from his short stop position. They also know they could have had Cliff Lee for Jesus Montero and Eduardo Nunez. Maybe that’s a price too high to pay, but it seems to me as though the Yankee Front Office — who admittedly know more about Nunez than I — are higher on him than most. He hasn’t been a top prospect for four seasons but still has the tools.

Today, the point is mostly a moot one. Unless an obvious offer lands in their lap, the Yankees, says Buster Olney, are “not engaged in any talks about any starting pitcher and at this point, have no plans to” look for one. They went after Cliff Lee because, well, he’s Cliff Lee. They already have one of the best, if not the best, rotations in the American League and are primed for a run at October. Cliff Lee, their obvious winter target, would just be icing on the cake.

Still, as this Lee trade was the biggest deal the Yanks have made that didn’t go down, we’ll be asking these questions as more information comes out. Was it all worth it for Eduardo Nunez?

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  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    (extends a laurel and a hearty handshake to Eduardo Nuñez for saving us from ourselves)

    • king of fruitless hypotheticals

      dude, i am SO disappointed in you: why were the words “Smoak-type bat” not the first words typed?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        BABY, PLEASE, I AM NOT FROM HAVANA!!!!

        • king of fruitless hypotheticals

          this might be obscure, but i wonder if Nardi could just tell Joba “think of your secretary”?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            I didn’t get a harumph outta that guy.

            • king of fruitless hypotheticals

              my favorite exchange, besides betemit for swisher, is the ‘isn’t anyone going to help that poor man? hush, harriet, thats the surest way to get him killed’ but unfortunately those are the only lines suitable for framing, so to speak.

              you ever quote a movie, in real life, and find you’re the only person who knows its a movie quote?

              um…uh…i mean, not that i…GO YANKS!

    • http://twitter.com/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Well good news is the Yankees said they won’t get another starter this year, Cliff Lee was an exception.

      Now they can sign him int he offseason meaning Montero has a great chance to stay.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Montero wasn’t going to get traded for crap, dude. This “he got offered for Halladay/Lee, the Yankees are obviously trying to get rid of him!!!” mentality is baffling to me. You offer him for Halladay or Lee (though I’d disagree with trading him for a rental of Lee when we can just sign him in the offseason). You don’t offer him for a Lilly or IDEK, Westbrook.

        • Brien Jackson

          So who’s next, Johnson?

          • jsbrendog (returns)

            that ohnson guy, stole money from my wallet!

  • Joe Meyer

    Well it wasn’t worth it for Jesus Montero in the first place. So thank Mo that the Yanks weren’t going to deal Nunez.

  • pollo

    lol Eduardo Nunez

    • Slugger27

      i have the same thoughts…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

    Based on the Nunez scouting report, he seems similar to Cito Culver, who the Yanks are also higher on than most. Do the Yanks value toolsy shortstops more than other organizations? Has the fact that they watched Jeter for the past 15 years have anything to do with that?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

      I remember they also drafted CJ Henry, another toolsy shortstop in the first round one year.

      • 28 in ’10

        Same year Eduardo Nunez came up, they were both with the GCL and Nunez was a star…Henry not so much. I have always kind of considered him to be the first round pick that year as a result, even though he struggled for a bit there. He and Vech are finally showing they can play.

    • Slugger27

      well, other than pitcher and catcher it’s the most important position on the field… i’m glad they have high regards for toolsy SSs, and hope they continue to in the future.

      i have a hard time believing nunez was really the reason they didnt get cliff lee, and moreso the fact that the mariners had clearly pissed them off to the point they felt they were getting screwed over for apparently not the first time

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

        Yea, if they do indeed value them more than other teams, I am on board. Those are tough players to come by.

        • Johnny O

          Toolsy short stops are great, but on the other hand you can win the World Series with David Eckstein…..

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Toolsy short stops are great, but on the other hand you can win the World Series with in spite of David Eckstein…..

            Fixed.

            • Pete C.

              Probably Cashman did the right thing, as the likelyhood of Texas keeping Lee through to next season has to be pretty slim.
              Does anyone think it’s weird that Lee’s been traded 3 times in 1 year? It’s obvious he’s great, so why’s everyone dumping him right after they get him.

              • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                Does anyone think it’s weird that Lee’s been traded 3 times in 1 year?

                The trade from the Phillies was odd. Ruben Amaro thought he could “restock” the farm while trading Lee and acquiring Halladay. He also knew the team could extend Halladay while Lee was committed to becoming a free agent.

                Otherwise, it’s all economics. The struggling Indians dumped him when he still had value, and the Mariners did the same. No red flags, just a confluence of odd circumstances.

                • king of fruitless hypotheticals

                  hmm…think its bothered or irritated him at all? could he see any value in signing with a team that…will have the financial wherewithal to keep him in pinstripes the same uniform for as long as they want?

                • A.D.

                  Aka Ruben Amaro is trying to make himself one of the worst GMs in the game.

    • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

      Everybody drafts a million toolsy shortstops, it’s the position you often find the best/most athletic player on a HS team playing if they’re right handed. If they’re lefty, they play CF.

      Most of the move to other positions, I don’t think the Yankees value them more than anyone else. Three guys as a whole over the course of several years isn’t a lot. They’re not signing a ton of IFA SS and they don’t draft a whole bunch or non-org purposes.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

        Yea, you could be right. It just jumped out at me because of the people scratching their heads at the Culver pick so high, and now the report that Nunez held up the deal and seems similar to Culver.

        But you are right that athletic shortstops are hot commodities for everyone.

  • Chris

    The refusal to include Nunez at the end may have been as much about the principal as it was about the actual baseball value. They felt that the Mariner’s reneged on a deal after they had one in place. At that point, they weren’t going to go back and throw him in the deal. If the Mariner’s had insisted on Montero + Nunez from the start, there’s probably a reasonable chance that they would have gotten them.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      If the Mariner’s had insisted on Montero + Nunez from the start, there’s probably a reasonable chance that they would have gotten them.

      According to Sherman, at least, Nunez + Montero was the initial ask from the Mariners two or three weeks ago when they first started to make Lee available. The Yanks turned it down then and turned it down again on Friday.

      • ZZ

        Right. And if the Yankees were willing to deal Montero and Nunez in the same package, Lee would have been a Yankee weeks ago when he would have been even more valuable to trade for.

      • CS Yankee

        Seems like the “Adams ankle” was a bogus excuse…Ranger’s package had the arms that likely made the deal.

        A bold move by a near bankrupt team that has plenty of young arms and will highly unlikely be able to resign Lee…not a bad move by Z unless the other teams realize that his word is BS (may get the anti-Yankee pass though).

        • jsbrendog (returns)

          if the sale of the rangers is finalized by free agency what better way to tell fans we are here to win than signing cliff lee?

          • Pasqua

            That’s a gigantic “if.” Look at the trouble / time it took for the Cubs sale to happen.

        • dan l

          Like a no contest pleading pitcher?

      • Chris

        Right. But if the Mariners had pushed the issue after the initial offer was turned down, then they may have convinced the Yankees to accept the offer. Once the Mariners backed down and agreed to a (slightly) lesser package including Adams, the chances of getting Nunex back in the deal were basically 0.

    • A.D.

      Agreed, in this Sherman article:

      http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....V3k9n8y2EI

      He notes that:

      The Yankees had refused to include Montero and Nunez in the same package when Seattle asked weeks ago, and would not blink now. The Yankees came to believe at that point, however, that they were probably being used.

  • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

    I keep seeing Nunez and touted in the same sentence. He’s not touted so much as SS prospects right now kinda stink across the board.

    • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

      Oh and I realize it’s not you guys saying it, it just kinda makes my eyes bug out heh.

    • dan l

      Have you ever seen him play if not then how can you offer an opinion?

  • A.D.

    I’m a bit confused on what exactly happened:

    Montero, Adams, Z-Mac

    then “troubling ankle issue”:

    Montero, Warren, Z-Mac

    then more demands that was either:

    A: Montero, Warren, Z-mac, Nunez
    B: Montero, Nunez, Z-mac

    Was it A or B

    • Carlosologist

      It was package A. The Mariners drove the price up too high and the Yanks backed off.

      • A.D.

        That’s what I thought and makes more sense as adding a whole additional player, and having it be the most advanced SS is throwing a wrench in the plan.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

      Mariners (two weeks) ago): “We want Montero and Nunez”

      Yankees (two weeks ago): “No.”

      Mariners (Friday): “Ok, we have a deal, Montero, Warren and McCallister. So……just throw in Nunez just to show us you’re serious”.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Jack Z = Fat Tony

  • johnny

    If the yankees win again without lee, which i still thinly they will, ill be glad they kept Jesus.

    • jsbrendog (returns)

      even if the yankees don;t win this year I will be happy because they will win at least one with montero.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R.- Retire 21

      If Monterey hits 50 homers next year, I’ll be glad they kept him.

      /obviouscommentisobvious’d

  • ZZ

    The value of Nunez to the Yankees and as a prospect lies largely in the context of the talent level at the position.

    The SS position at the major league and minor league level right now is for the most part a wasteland.

    So while publications like BA are a fun read at times they much too often miss the boat on the contextual value of these prospects they rate in the “real world.” For example all the love for the Red Sox farm system right now despite not being able to fill major holes on their big league club and not being able to acquire top talent through trades like the Yankees can. But that is a topic for a different day.

    Every team needs a SS and given the talent level at the position most teams have on their ballclub at the major and minor league level, a lot of them would love to have Eduardo Nunez in their system. Therefore, as a trade chip Eduardo Nunez has major value and far exceeds his reputation as a prospect when put into a trade.

    Nunez is going to have a lot of value to the Yankees at some point. Placing both Montero and Nunez in the same trade would have been giving up a ton of total value from the Yankee perspective.

    You have to draw the line somewhere, because if not, in future transactions you are sure to get fleeced.

    • Pete

      exactly this. Eduardo Nunez may not produce for the yankees directly, but I could see the Royals making a big dumb trade for him after 1.5 seasons worth of high averages and decent power #s, along with tools, at shortstop. I think the Yankees feel that, if they choose to pursue trades with both players, Nunez and Montero could be key fixtures in two trades. The fact that the Mariners felt that Nunez was a difference maker only emphasizes that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

        Hypothetical value is great, but at that moment, his real value was the difference between getting Cliff Lee and not getting Cliff Lee.

        I have only seen a couple of Montero at bats and don’t know a thing about Nunez, so I’m not going to pretend I could evaluate that trade, and I trust the Yanks front office. But, the difference between getting Lee and not getting him is legitimate value for Nunez.

        • http://twitter.com/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

          If it’s only the difference between getting Cliff Lee and not getting Cliff Lee then it makes absolutely no sense that the Yankees didn’t offer Nunez in the package.

          They do value their prospects and weigh them in a way if it’s worth it tog et rid of them.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

            Well, I’m just going by the report. I have no idea what actually happened. There are four sides to this story as I see it. The Mariners side, the Yanks side, the medias take on it and what actually happened.

    • ROBTEN

      Every team needs a SS and given the talent level at the position most teams have on their ballclub at the major and minor league level, a lot of them would love to have Eduardo Nunez in their system. Therefore, as a trade chip Eduardo Nunez has major value and far exceeds his reputation as a prospect when put into a trade.

      This.

      I think the value of Núñez is two-fold. First, while he may not be a premier prospect at short, given Peña’s performance at the plate he serves as an internal option for backup next year or the year after.

      Second, and more importantly, if you give Núñez up in a deal with Montero, you essentially remove two valuable trading chips from your system at the same time (and, in this case, for a rental). In other words, I expect the Yankees wanted to keep him out of the trade not only because he provides them with an internal option at short, but also because then he couldn’t then be moved in another deal. For example, if I remember correctly, the way that they kept Dunn out of the Granderson trade only to move him for Javy.

      If the Yankees’ approach in this deal was that they liked Lee, but didn’t absolutely need him, then you offer your top prospect and see what happens (as they did). If the Yankees were desperate, they would have offered Núñez too (but they weren’t since Lee will be available as a FA in four months).

      In this sense, Texas blinked while the Yankees didn’t. Now they are still in a position to get Lee at the end of the season while keeping two prospects/trade chips for another deal.

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        Now they are still in a position to win the world series AND get Lee at the end of the season while keeping two prospects/trade chips for another deal.

        FTFY

        • ROBTEN

          You are correct sir.

  • CJ

    Good analysis by RAB but I don’t but it (Sherman). Nunez is 23 has to play, get traded, before he ages out of prospect status. I think if Cashman would do Montero, Nunez doesn’t hold it up. I do think Cashman walked as a matter of principle/conviction or stubbornness, similar to Teixeira and Henry in Boston.

    Face it prospect lovers, some of these prospects have to go. Reassuring notion is that the Yanks have the chips to get ANY major leaguer available from top tier Cliff Lee, Prince Fielder, Dan Haren to Cody ross,Scott Downs,Josh Willingham, David DeJesus, Jose Bautist, Matt Capps to bottom tier Octavio Dotel and Ty Wiggington. You can’t hold on to them forever and the Yankees future roster spots are limited. So there will be trades, this month AND in hot stove just a matter of choosing targets wisely.

    • A.D.

      Face it prospect lovers, some of these prospects have to go.

      Think that many people in this site would have been fine with the original proposed Lee deal, would have been sad to see Jesus go, but adding Lee would be huge. Additionally the original deal all dealt from areas of strength in 2B, C, and SP, which is obviously the ideal way to go.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      “Face it prospect lovers huggers, some of these prospects have to go.”

      Fixed.

      • ROBTEN

        As a member of the “prospect huggers” club, I’m thinking this is what the “prospecthuggers'” mascot should look like. (NSFR — Not Safe for Ripley).

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Come for the fawning, stay for the spawning.

    • Zack

      It’s not about giving up prospects, it’s about over-paying to get guys. But if you keep throwing that extra guy into a trade, or swapping a prospect for a better prospect- when you NEED to make a trade, you have nothing that other teams want.

    • pat

      Face it prospect lovers people who are fans of the Yankees using their fiscal strength to acquire the best amateur talent available, then developing said talent in an effort to have good, young, athletic, cost controlled players who can be traded for proven mlb players, or produce at the major league level at a fraction of the price of an overpriced free agent acquisition, some of these prospects have to go.

      Condescension FTL!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Pat, you epitomize the worst of what Yankee fans can be right now: unbelievably greedy, never satisfied, not content to enjoy the team you have on the field this year and their chances to win.

        Sincerely,
        The Ghost of Scott Brosius

        • pat

          Oy vey, how did I miss that gem? Cliff Lee is a helluva drug.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            From you, pat, I expected better.

            • Pete

              I love how he said that as if he knew you or had a lot of respect for your comments/views/whatever, when you’ve been vehemently against trading anything bigger than Nunez+McAllister+Fortenberry for three months of Cliff Lee (or any pitcher in the last year of his contract).

    • rbizzler

      I really don’t see anyone on here excited that the Yanks kept Nunez. In fact, I would think people would be perfectly fine moving Nunez for a important piece, bullpen or otherwise.

      I do, however, see people relieved that the Yankees did not trade their one true upper-level impact offensive prospect for a three/four month rental.

      Me thinks that there is a big difference between people who think the Yanks should never trade a prospect and people who would like to see impact bats stay in the system. The vast majority of the people here are perfectly rational about the necessity of trading away prospects for ML upgrades (see the Granderson and Javy trades for reference).

      • ROBTEN

        Me thinks that there is a big difference between people who think the Yanks should never trade a prospect and people who would like to see impact bats stay in the system. The vast majority of the people here are perfectly rational about the necessity of trading away prospects for ML upgrades (see the Granderson and Javy trades for reference).

        Nope. We’re all nerds, living in our “garden apartments,” who would love nothing better than for the Yankees to change their names to the NY Spreadsheets because “that’s where the game is really played,” and yet harbor a secret, irrational love for holding on to prospects like we’re Quaid and they’re the last oxygen molecules on Mars.

        Or, what you said. Whichever sounds more plausible.

  • pat

    Eduardo has only made 7 errors at SS this year. PErsonally I was never down on him defensively as most first had reports of his D are that he botches plays that most SS’s don’t have a chance at making. He would make a great diving play up the middle then get to his feet and hurry the throw and put it in the stands. I’d rather have a guy who can make all the plays and mess up a few than a guy who can’t.

    • CS Yankee

      Batting that well in AA & AAA while reducing the errors sounds like great development to me…plus having him as a backup to a potential Jeet injury has to add that much more to the equation.

      A scout once told me that most AAA players are just insurance policies for the starters and the real stars move up directly to MLB from AA (unless they are traded due to being blocked by an All Star).

      Maybe, he is a late developing gem?

      :::thinks of Mo’s late developing fastball & learned cutter and wipes away drool:::

      • pat

        He was a switch hitter up until 2008. 2009 was the first year he gave up trying to hit left handed. As you alluded to, he’s not your average SS prospect. Finally getting to focus on hitting RHB has apparently brought out the best in him. I think he still has some upside.

        • CS Yankee

          RAB,

          It would be great to see an article of which team has developed the most MLB players. Say a team can claim to have developed the player if he played at two different minor league levels for said organization.

          It would be an interesting one, I bet the whole Red Sox super-de-duper farm system might be challenged.

          Thoughts?

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Dear Bronx, All Of the Tri-State Region, and New York Yankees Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight;

    As you now know, our future hero, who grew up in the very region that our own beloved A.J. Burnett did, is no longer a Seattle Mariner.

    This was announced with a day-long, narcissistic, confusing and convoluted build-up culminating with a shocking mid-day announcement of his “trade” unlike anything ever “witnessed” in the history of sports and probably the history of entertainment.

    Clearly, this is bitterly disappointing to all of us.

    The good news is that the ownership team and the rest of the hard-working, loyal, and driven staff over here at your hometown Yankees have not betrayed you nor NEVER will betray you.

    There is so much more to tell you about the events of the recent past and our more than exciting future. Over the next several days and weeks, we will be communicating much of that to you.

    You simply don’t deserve this kind of cowardly betrayal.

    You have given so much and deserve so much more.

    In the meantime, I want to make one statement to you tonight:

    “I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THE NEW YORK YANKEES WILL WIN A TITLE BEFORE THAT SO-CALLED SELF TITLED-KING CLIFF LEE WINS ONE”

    You can take it to the bank.

    If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to the Bronx, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our “motivation” to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels.

    Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.

    Sorry, Jack Zdurenick, but that’s simply not how it works.

    This shocking act of disloyalty from the “chosen” general manager of Seattle sends the exact opposite lesson of what we would want our children to learn. And “who” we would want them to grow-up to become.

    And until he does “right” by the Bronx and New York State, Lee (and the town where he plays) will unfortunately own this dreaded spell and bad karma.

    Just watch.

    Sleep well, New York City.

    Tomorrow is a new and much brighter day….

    Sincerely,
    Hank Gilbert-Steinbrenner

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Well played.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

      hahaha

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        If only I could have posted it in Comic Sans MS.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

          I had to look up what that meant, but, you are right, then it would have been hilarious.

          I’ll give you credit for the idea, ha. Even, uh, weller done in that case.

    • CS Yankee

      Dear Hank,

      Would you please write my releases and act as owner in all interests regarding the Cavs as I stick to business development for the Fatheads brand.

      Your little bro said you aren’t doing anything except lowering the operating margins anyways.

      Sincerely,
      Dan Gilbert

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        My favorite part of all of this: the name of Dan Gilbert’s personal blog.

        http://choosethinking.com/

        No, seriously.

        I guess irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

        • CS Yankee

          Wow…he should employ the shrink he says he’s not.

          Also noticed in your link was that on the right it has ESPN listing The Cavs as 2009’s #1 team.

          Thanks for the great links (and stupid ones like this)…loved the Chris Isaak classic one the other day.

  • Andy in Buffalo

    I think Nunez is the backup plan if Jeter gets hurt (the conspiracy theorist might even think he is hurt based on his performance this year). In that senerio who’s the everyday shortstop? Pena? There’s nobody worth trading for.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder
      • steve s

        Christian Guzman- The Eduardo Nunez of the late 20th Century!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Fun fact: from 1999-2005, Cristian Guzman had a career tripleslash of .260/.298/.374 (73+). After the 2005 season, he had eye surgery to eliminate contact lenses, just like Bernie Williams did. Guzman missed the entire 2006 season with an unrelated shoulder injury.

          Since returning, from 2007-2010, Guzman’s hitting .303/.336/.413 (98+).

          LASIK FTW.

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        who’s the dude in the natinals jersey?

        • Pete

          who’s the dude in the natinals jersey? what’s that jersey christian muthafuckin guzman is wearing?

    • A.D.

      I figured he was Jeter contract insurance. “Our starting SS is Eduardo Nunez” in case Jeter’s contract negotiation got ugly.

      • pat

        Shit, by the end of 2010 “Our starting SS is Eduardo Nunez” will probably be a better option than “Our starting SS is Derek Jeter AND his 4 yr 100 million dollar contract”.

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          Shhhhh. We’re not allowed to speak the truth. It gets Yankee fans too upset.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

          Really, you would really rather have Jeter walk then pay him 20 million or over for 4+ years?

          • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

            Is he going to be playing short stop the whole time?

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

              I would have to think yes. I can’t be the only one here who thinks Jeter is such an athletic anomaly that he can be an overall positive at the shortstop position for the next 3 years. And probably much better than merely a positive. If we have to give him an extra year or two and overpay like we overpay everyone else, I don’t see a problem with that.

              I just don’t see him falling off so fast and one slow half is not going to make me change my mind. I do admit to extreme bias with Jeter though, and it would be impossible for me to be truly impartial here, but it is still what I truly believe and what I would put my money on.

              • Tom Swift

                If you actually had $100 MM and you were paying his salary, would you have the same opinion?

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

                  If I were owner of the Yanks. For sure. There is no way I let Jeter walk. I would rather lose money for the next 4 years, then let him walk.

                  But maybe that is why I will never own a team and am just a fan.

                  • http://Twitter.com/marcos_aguirre Marcos

                    Problem is, Jeter creates SO much revenue just because of his name and who he is, that you could give him more than 100/4 and you’d most likely make more than that from the ticket sales, jerseys, and ads and what not that he will create.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            (hands Mike HC a calculator)

        • theyankeewarrior

          I’m hoping Jeter re-signs for 3/45.

          This is clearly overpaying for a 37, 38, 39 yr. old SS, BUT it could be much worse, and technically it’s a pay cut.

          Jeter is still a top-flight SS in the AL.

      • Zack

        /bubba crosby

    • Brooklyn Ed
  • http://www.lessthismorethat.com/author/ddarrell Jamal G.

    Whoever said two wrongs don’t make a right? The Yanks were wrong in overpaying for Cliff Lee in the first place, and were wrong again in letting Eduardo Nunez act as a dealbreaker for Cliff frickin’ Lee.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Whoever said two wrongs don’t make a right?

      Nick Swisher. And he was right.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        Two wrongs don’t make a right, but three rights make a left.

        /ChevyChase’d

    • Pete

      i like that.

  • troytv

    i like jeter but i think his window of greatness is closing fast…i know the Yanks want him to get 3000 hits as a yankee…but i would like to see them try to get Hanley Ramirez…with the prospect talent they have and the free agent talent that will hit the market this comming off season…i think it would be good to get younger and cheaper at ss and move jeter to dh plus in/out field back up…if the Yankees picked up carl crawford then putting one of their outfielders in the trade with Eduardo Nunez and a pithching prospect might get it done…at the end of the season if the Yankees move aggressively they could get a deal done early in the offseason…which could give jeter time to accept a new role…and it might bring his price down since i’m sure he would rather be a yankee than anything else…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Sigh.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

        I’m thinking a Gardner, Nunez, Nova, Brackman package should get it done. Then we will use all the money we save with that deal to go out and sign Crawford. Which would of course leave plenty of money left over to pay Jeter 20+ million to DH.

        I sign off on this plan.

        • king of fruitless hypotheticals

          Then where do we stick Jeter?

        • theyankeewarrior

          And THEN sign Adam Dunn as a DH platoon with Jeter with the money we save by miraculously acquiring Han-Ram without giving up Montero.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

            genius

    • A.D.

      The cost of Hanley Ramirez, if he were available, would be astronomical.

      Think if it this way, the Mariners wanted Montero & Nunez for 6 months of Lee. What do you think the Marlins (moving into a new stadium) would want for 4 years of Hanley at not particularly cheap, but definitely below market rate prices?

    • Zack

      Is “…” needed after every statement?

      • Pete

        isn’t it called an ellipsis? I’m not saying it to be a dick, I’m saying it because there is NO WAY it should be called an ellipsis.

  • Damian

    The Yanks got jobbed by the Mariners last year? What deal was that?

    • theyankeewarrior

      The Mariners asking the Yankees for Austin Jackson for 3 months of Jarrod Washbum.

      And then hanging up the phone and letting him walk @ the end of the season for nothing.

      • A.D.

        It was actually AJAX + Z-Mac or ManBan for Washburn rental, and instead they got much much worse prospects from the Tigers.

        • theyankeewarrior

          This.

          Yes, memory fail. Then Washburn went to D-Town and fu*&!% their whole season up.

  • Januz

    The art of negotiation, is to be in a position of strength, and to be willing to use it for your advantage (Scott Boras is usually a master at this).The problems with the Mariners are this. 1: They were going to lose this player (Cliff Lee), so the longer they wait, the less valuable he becomes. 2: They have never won a damm thing in their entire history (Even the one year they won 116 games, they could not win the pennant), so it is not like they have a history of success. Yet, they tried to essentially dictate terms to the Yankees, like they (Not the Yankees) were defending World Champions. The Yankees essentially had only one decent option in this case, which is to say no. When they said no to Minnesota for Santana (Keeping Phil Hughes in the process), they sent a message to MLB, they won’t be played. When Boras tried to get more money for Mark Teixeira (Threatening to send him to Boston), they refused to be played (Essentially repeating the message they sent to Minnesota), then Boras came back, and agreed to terms. Why did he? Because he knew the Yankees were not playing, and if Tex really wanted to play here, it was now or never. In the end, will things work out for Seattle? That depends on who is more productive Justin Smoak or Jesus Montero. But as far as the Yankees are concerned, by keeping their head held high, and not giving in, they already are winners.

    • Tom Zig

      I don’t know how accurate the Teixeira part is…

      but I did enjoy this comment.

    • Pete

      “who is more productive Justin Smoak or Jesus Montero.”

      Well, after his 48 198 64 8 26 37 0 7.1 14.4 .228 .381 .356 .406 .583 .446 185 line in High A followed by a 44 181 53 9 19 33 0 7.7 12.6 .222 .321 .317 .370 .539 .407 152 line in AA all as a 19 year old last year, I’m gonna put my moneys on Montero.

      /Januz’d

  • Jim in Bingo

    I think the context of the unwillingness to trade Nunez is something no one has mentioned.

    Iirc Nunez has been playing 3rd in recent weeks.

    I wonder if the Yanks are very concerned about Arod’s hip?

    That would explain the unwillingness to trade Nunez, if they thought he’d be needed to replace Arod at 3rd.

    And it would also explain the willingness to part with Montero — not only are there other good catching prospects in the system, but if the Yanks see him as a DH, and that spot might be needed for Arod and his ailing hip, then Montero becomes surplus despite his bat.

    • Januz

      One possible reason for playing Nunez at 3rd, is to increase his value to the team. If he can play short and third, it would be a better alternative than seeing an automatic out at bat such as Pena, when you decide to rest Jeter or Arod. As for Montero, the fear has long been that he would not stick at catcher, and that they would eventually have to move him to rightfield (Obviously the problem is Nick Swisher is better than expected, and since Brett Gardner is doing well, you can’t move Swisher to left). Montero (Unless he is traded), in 2011, will be a part time catcher and DH

      • CS Yankee

        Agree with most of your post except that Montero will likely be a 21 year old starting Ccatcher for SWB…unless, that straight up deal for Cain, Josh Johnson, etc. takes place.

        Highly unlikely they promote an under-developed prospect (.250, powerless, high K’ing machine that will get better but not overnight)…those Melky days are behind the current farm makeup.

        • Jim in Bingo

          Except that those numbers — 250 batting avg, .415 slugging (which is hardly powerless!) really are not who Montero is. You’re dealing with a guy who’s mashed at all levels despite being 3 years too young at virtually every level.

          Montero’s numbers this year reflect a poor April and May for whatever reason. Who knows, maybe he was nursing an injury — it’s not like AAA is a huge leap from AA where he was outstanding.

          Look at his splits — June he had an .829 ops, and July so far an .868 ops.

          THAT is closer to the real Montero.

          • CS Yankee

            You really need to read what I wrote…

            By powerless, I’m seeing 6 dingers in 275+ PA…which is well below anyones projections. I’m just saying YTD he is what he is but the bread is still baking.

            It is believed a big reason Austin Jackson was moved was due to his lack of power for a CF’er.

            I think Jesus can be all that (including a MLB catcher) he is billed at…that is, until the front office moves him or relocates his services to a different position.

            • Jim in Bingo

              I did read what you wrote.

              Who was talking about bringing him up now with those numbers? You seemed to be implying that those numbers would last through this season and perhaps into next and that that would be a reason the Yanks would keep him in AAA.

              I don’t see why Montero isn’t a September call up this season, and I’d expect him to get significant time up next season, not to start, but at some point.

              In any case, Austin Jackson’s lack of power and Montero ought not even to be mentioned in the same sentence. And power numbers and home runs are not synonymous.

  • NYCOUG

    Trust me if the Mariner’s could take New York’s offer over again I think they would have. The Mariner’s gm ended up taking a pitcher in the Cliff Lee trade who served 40 days in jail for false imprisonment and violence against women. Best part was the Mariner organization had no idea until someone broke the story. And they wonder why they stink every year….

    http://www.seattlepi.com/thiel/423207_thiel12.html

    • JohnnyC

      The comments after the article are particularly funny. Love those Mariners fans! You wonder how long Jack Z will survive.

    • CS Yankee

      :::Cashman is handed apiece of paper from an unnamed person:::

      GM Z: I know your upset that were not living up to our word, but…

      Ninja: Hey, that Josh Lueke kid isn’t so nice with the ladies…

      GM Z: :::interupts Cashman::: what?

      Ninja: Our deal is off, see ya! :::click:::

  • Poopy Pants

    I’m glad we’ll have Nunez to play SS when Jeter DH’s and Montero…ohhh…that’s right. And A-Rod will be DH’ing…but….oops…and Posada will be DH’ing….oops. I feel so uncomfortable right now. At least we could put Jeter or Montero at 1B…oops. Nevermind.

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      So you’re complaining because we have too many good players?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        No, this guy keeps making the same point in every thread. HE’S JUST A DH LOLLOLLZ!!!!!

        • Poopy Pants

          That’s what this site tells us, right? He’s just a DH. Am I wrong?

        • Poopy Pants

          How do you know I’m a guy? Girls have poopy pants, too!

  • http://www.pinstripealley.com/ Travis G.

    Nunez is having an almost identical year to Ajax’s 2009 in AAA.

    Ajax 2009: .300/.354/.405, 24 sb, 4 cs

    Nunez 2010: .305/.354/.405, 18 sb, 3 cs (1/2 season)

    and Ajax is only 4 months older.

  • Jerkface

    Whew thank god we showed Boras who was boss on that Tex contract.

  • Ted Nelson

    I wonder if the Yankees knew Lee was going to Texas, didn’t think they could re-sign him this offseason, and just decided to wait till the offseason to go after Lee… If Boston, for example, was the favorite to land Lee or even an NL team with a good shot to re-sign him maybe they pull the trigger…