Yankees interested in Jhonny Peralta

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Via MLBTR, the Yankees have expressed some interest in Indians’ third baseman Jhonny Peralta. I’m kinda surprised that it took this long to connect the two, but better late than never I guess. Peralta is what he is, a below average offensive player (.308 wOBA over the last two seasons) and a horrific defender (-4.0 UZR/150 career at third, -5.7 at short), but he is an upgrade over Ramiro Pena. The big problem is his salary, since Peralta is still owed $1.93M this year with a $250,000 buyout of his $7M option for next season. There’s no point in talking about compensation draft picks since no one would bother offering him arbitration.

The Yanks have been inked to Wes Helms and Ty Wigginton as well, so they’re obviously looking for a righthanded infielder with a little thump in his bat. Even though he’s stunk this year, I’m still intrigued by Andy LaRoche.

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  • zs190

    Seems like a natural guy to look at since he has experience at 3B and SS, the two positions we need our sub to play at, except he’s terrible at both. He and Miguel Tejada are pretty similar really, bad defenders at this stage of career but experienced. Both have decent average, some pop but no patience.

    If either team eats half of their remaining salary and take a C prospect, it might be worthwhile.

    • Ross in Jersey

      Peralta has actually shown a lot more power than Tejada this year. Peralta sits at a respectable .149 ISO, Tejada is sitting at a flat .100. He’s has been a major disappointment at 3rd this year too, far worse than Peralta.

      • zs190

        Eh, maybe over the last couple weeks, but earlier in the season they were about the same. Looking at their wOBAs the last few years, the offensive profile isn’t that different, I don’t know how you arrived at far worse than Peralta.

        Peralta wOBA .314, OPS .715
        Tejada wOBA .302, OPS .686

        I might grant you that he’s a bit better this year but the difference is small enough over this sample size that a good week vs a bad week could change that.

      • zs190

        I thought I might have misread you and you meant defensively he’s way worse but Peralta is at -9.5 UZR/150, Tejada is -5.7 UZR/15. So defensively Tejada is probably a little bit better too, just don’t see where you got the idea that he’s far worse than Peralta

        • zs190

          I meant Tejada is -5.7 UZR/150

  • John D

    why RH necessarily?

  • steve (do)

    I could get behind this if the cost is minimal. Could he back up 2B in a pinch?

  • Granderslam

    Question: Will the Yankees go after a DH and a Bench player, or will they seek a Bench player who can also serve as a viable DH option? Because they kind of need to fill both positions with some sort of quality.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      The only quality DH available–Dunn–is cost prohibitive unfortunately. And, any guy who would be a bench piece probably doesn’t have enough of a bat to DH at all. I think it’ll be one or the other.

      • Zack

        In the MLBTR chat today, someone brought up Ryan Doumit, which moves Posada to DH, and I like the idea:

        1. He’s under contract
        10:$3.55M, 11:$5.1M, 12:$7.25M club option, 13:$8.25M club option ($0.5M buyout)

        2. His CS% is only 11 this year, but it was 31% last year and 27% the year before (25% for his career).

        3. Yes I know Montero is coming, but Posada will be 39 and will probably only play 100 games even if he’s just a DH, so Montero will still get ABs. Then when Posada leaves after ’11, you have Doumit for insurance incase Montero is just a DH or traded.

        • Granderslam

          I actually like the idea of Doumit. He could probably come relatively cheap in comparison to some of the other options on the market. Doumit can also DH on days too. And he has some OF experience right?

          • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

            Doumit is a terrible terrible terrible catcher.

        • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

          I’m just going to take this from whoever sponsored Doumit’s page:

          Even though it’s his position, let’s be real; calling Doumit a “catcher” is like calling diarrhea “constipation”

          And he’s a mediocre hitter. So pass.

          • Zack

            Outside of Mauer, Vmart, and McCann, what catcher isn’t mediocre?

            If Jesus can’t catch, I’d rather not watch Cervelli for 80 games next season.

            • jsbrendog (returns)

              vmart? him and his noodle arm? really? you think he is above mediocre?

              • Zack

                I meant offensively.

                But that’s my point, when Jorge is 39 next year and Jesus is no lock to catch, tell me who the catcher is going to be.

                • Rivera Venue Blues

                  I go to school in the Pittsburgh area and Doumit’s bat is not good enough to outweigh his mishandling of the catcher position. His nickname is Ryan Nomitt. His bat is above average compared to other catchers but he gives all of that value back by being one of the worst 2 or 3 catchers in the league.

                  • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

                    Exactly. That’s what I meant when I said he’s a mediocre hitter. If he’s that bad defensively, and at $5.1M next year, what’s the point?

                    • Zack

                      The point: Posada is catching 80 games max next season, and gone after that. If Jesus can’t stay behind the plate, who is going to catch next year and the year after? (Assuming Romine catches in 2012).

                    • Spaceman.Spiff

                      Cervelli-montero combo? Cervelli sucks but at least he’s cheap and sucky, doumit is not cheap and sucky.

                    • Zack

                      Cervelli doesnt hit and what has he done defensively this year? Yay he energetic and pops around, still sucks.

                      And whats your plan if Montero cant pass as catcher?

                    • Spaceman.Spiff

                      As mediocre/subpar cervelli’s d is, I think doumit’s is worse. He honestly can’t be a whole lot better than montero on D, only reason he doesn’t get more criticism from the msm is because he plays in pittsburgh.

  • nathan

    I think Cash$$ is watching lot of ESPN-SC. I think a couple of days back i saw Peralta whip up the crowd with an inside the park HR

  • http://twitter.com/marcos_aguirre Marcos

    Weren’t we looking for a DH/OF candidate? I remember that we wanted to get Dunn, but the price seems to be a bit high, so I have someone else in mind for consideration, Lance Berkman. He couldn’t cost much more than us taking on most or all of the salary (and declining his option/offering arb if his price is decent) and a package of say Z-Mac + a B prospect hitter. I think that if he could be had for a decent price, we should pick him up along with a Wigginton/Hairston type player, we could cruise all year long and go the distance, a good reliever (Scott Downs would be great) wouldn’t hurt either.

    /.02 cents

    • http://soxandpinstripes.net Angelo

      What would you consider a “B prospect hitter”

      • http://twitter.com/marcos_aguirre Marcos

        I don’t know, someone with some potential, but at a lower level, say AA. Or maybe someone like Juan Miranda, who’s a AAA all-star but AAAA player. I don’t know, I really don’t follow many prospects, mostly only pitchers and the top hitters like teh Jesus, Romine, Laird, Sanchez, Murphy, Heathcott, etc.

    • MikeD

      That seems a bit steep for a rental. We’re taking on his salary and giving up a AAA pitcher and another prospect? No.

      • http://twitter.com/marcos_aguirre Marcos

        People seemed to have liked Z-Mac + Adams and a lower level prospect for Dunn, and that included his salary as well. I’d think Berkman would be worth Z-Mac plus one.

        • http://soxandpinstripes.net Angelo

          Berkman isn’t nearly as good as Dunn this season. I wouldn’t give up 2 quality prospects and take on Berkman’s salary. That seems like a bit much.

          • Zack

            Hasn’t Berkman picked it up lately? And its not like Dunn is hitting .280 all season

            • http://soxandpinstripes.net Angelo

              Look up the stats. No matter how you put it Berkman is not having a great year, and he’s not getting any younger.

              • Zack

                It’s also 325 PA, his BB% and K% are the same, and don’t believe he had ST because of knee surgery. I’m not saying I’d take his salary and give up prospects, just saying I’m not crossing him off my list.

                Look at Dunn in 2010:

                11.6 BB%, down from 17.4 and 18.7, his career avg is 16.5%
                34.2 K%, up from 32.4 and 31.7, his career avg is 33.6%
                .363 BABIP, up from .324 last year, his career avg is .297

                And I also noticed his O-Swing% is 29.1%, his career avg is 17.9%- and reading the fangraph write up on it, “Why you should care: When a batter swings at a pitch thrown outside the strike zone his chances of success are severely decreased.”

                There are some concerning signs for Dunn’s 2nd half IMO, just saying.

  • Pat D

    Since when is a little more than $2 million an issue for the Yankees?

    • steve (do)

      Since 2009?

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      $2 million for a guy who sucks. I’m sure they can find $2M for a guy whos worth it.

      • Pat D

        Yea, I’m not denying he sucks. Just that to say $2 million for anyone is an issue is silly.

        • Slugger27

          for a good player, it isnt…. for a mediocre one, it is

        • Rivera Venue Blues

          $2 million is an issue because he’s not worth that $2 million to the Yankees. No matter how rich you are, you’re not gonna spend $20 to buy something you don’t want that much.

  • http://soxandpinstripes.net Angelo

    It’d be great if the Yankees could pry Gordon from the Royals, but they would probably ask for too much in return.

    • JohnnyC

      Or Kila Kai’aihue, who’s straight beasting in Triple A. But, you’ve got to ask, if they’re not going to trade them and they’re not on the major league roster, what the eff is Dayton Moore doing?

      • forensicnucchem

        Hey, he’s got a 14 year plan…

      • YankeesJunkie

        Met a relative of his at an O-Royal game, very nice. Surprised the Royals have not called him up or traded him.

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    When I first saw this on MLBTR, I confused Peralta with Omar Infante and was like “but the Yankees don’t need an all-star at every position!”

  • Poopy Pants

    Why would the Yanks be thinking about him if he’s a terrible fielder, terrible hitter and costs too much?

    We already have Granderson on the team. Wacka Wacka!

    But seriously, if he sucks so bad, why would they want him?

    • MikeD

      Granderson isn’t hitting, but his fielding has been among the best in the league.

      What might help is if they could find a platoon partner for Granderson. Shift Gardner to center and have the Grandy/? platoon take over in left. That would help the hitting and give depth off the bench when one wasn’t starting.

      • Poopy Pants

        I was asking about Peralta.

        So Granderson is SO good, we should only play him half the time? Nice. Let’s pay him half as much.

        • http://soxandpinstripes.net Angelo

          Granderson would be on the better side of that platoon. There are a lot more righty pitchers in the league, so I don’t see what you’re getting at. He would play a lot more than half the time.

          • Poopy Pants

            He’s really doing great this year.

            • Rivera Venue Blues

              Granderson- 1.2 WAR in 68 games, not including today.
              Jeter – 1.6 WAR in 90 games, not including today.

              True story.

  • Januz

    Brian Cashman is not stupid. All of these teams are looking to essentially ripoff the Yankees Farm System like Seattle tried both this year and last. That is why the Yankees are being slow in signing their draft picks and are doing nothing in IFA. Just waiting for prices to come down, then you will see something done.

  • jsbrendog (returns)

    trade for a bench upgrade and sign jermaine dye to a deal, send him to aaa, see what hes got and go from there

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      I don’t see Dye agreeing to such an agreement.

  • MikeM80

    if he’s a horrible defender, and a below average hitter, HOW is he better than Pena?

    • Slugger27

      because ramiro pena is much much worse than a below avg hitter… if i called him a below avg hitter, id be insulting below avg hitters everywhere

      hes god awful

    • whozat

      Pena is an epically terrible hitter, and has great defensive tools but sometimes botches plays.

      On balance, Peralta is more valuable.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Still, unless the price is super cheap or the Indians pick up the tab, I wouldn’t want to take on Peralta. I’d sooner give Nunez a shot.

  • Alex

    If the Yankees can’t find a DH why don’t they use Perlata as Dh or call up Montario.p

    • Slugger27

      DH’s are for good hitters… peralta doesn’t fit that description

    • Ross in Jersey

      If the Yankees can’t find a DH why don’t they use Perlata as Dh or call up Montario

      Hoboy.

    • Brien Jackson

      I smell a meme in this one.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

      I don’t think the Yanks see DH as a big enough need to rush their top prospect to the big leagues before he is completely ready. Between off days for the old guys, Thames, Miranda and a possible trade, I think we have DH covered enough to keep patient with Montero.

    • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      Are we going to do a cross-sport trade? Maybe get Drew Henson back and then trade him to the Browns?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montario_Hardesty (safe)

  • Wil Nieves #1 Fan

    No no no no no. I’d much rather have Wigginton.

    Also, if memory serves me correctly, I think Joe Magrane predicted Peralta as his 2009 AL MVP lol.

  • Ed A

    Absolutely nothing wrong with Ramiro Pena. His role is well defined and he fits into the machinery we call the Yankees very well. I will take his consistent defense, versatility and all the other intangibles he brings over Jhonny any day.

  • http://www.lennysyankees.com lenNY’s Yankees

    What report said the Yankees had “expressed interest” in Peralta? Rosenthal didn’t mention anything to back up his report about Peralta or Helms.

  • dan

    I would rather a familiar face…Xavier Nady, then any of the people being mentioned.

  • Joe

    I would like to see Cody Ross, Leo Nunez from Florida and Peralta form Cle. Think about it we would get a 4th Of/DH, a solid Bench player who can play 3B/SS and a good reliever. I know I have heard the price may be too high but why not? we have romine, murphy, and sanchez to name a few other catchers besides Montero. I would give a Montero,Z-mac package up and be happy with it. What do you think?