Banuelos rocked in Double-A debut


Some notes…

  • Kevin Goldstein reports that the Yankees have signed 16-year-old shortstop Tzu-Wei Lin out of Taiwan for $350,000. That’s $200,000 more than they gave Fu-Lin Kuo back in December, which I suppose gives us an idea of how much they like him. Goldstein’s mini-scouting report says he’s 5-foot-11 and 150 lbs. with a good bat and good glove. Who the hell knows though.
  • Both Hector Noesi and D.J. Mitchell have been promoted to Triple-A Scranton. Those moves come in the wake of not just the Dellin Betances and Manny Banuelos promotions, but also the Zach McAllister trade and Ivan Nova‘s call up. Lots of movement in the last week or so.
  • The Yankees spent 188% more ($5,126,500 total) than their established slot amount ($2,722,800) in the first ten rounds this year according to Baseball America. Only the Dodgers, Red Sox, and Tigers went more over slot.
  • Adam Warren‘s 15 strikeout game earned him Double-A Eastern League Pitcher of the Week honors. Michael Solbach took home the same award in the Low-A South Atlantic League.

And on to the actual games…

Triple-A Scranton had a scheduled off day.

Double-A Trenton (6-0 loss to New Hampshire) faced the centerpiece of the Roy Halladay trade
Justin Christian, LF & Austin Krum, CF: both 1 for 4, 1 K
Everyone Else: combined 0 for 19, 4 BB, 8 K – a pair of those walks went to Dan Brewer, as did a pair of strikeouts
Manny Banuelos: 5.2 IP, 7 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 3 BB, 6 K, 7-3 GB/FB – turns out AA is tougher than A+ … allowed a pair of homers in this one after surrendering just one to this point all season
Josh Schmidt: 2.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 7 K – no contact outing
Wilkin DeLaRosa: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 WP, 0-2 GB/FB

High-A Tampa had a doubleheader today, but the weather got in the way. One of the games was postponed to an unknown later date, but the other was canceled and will not be made up.

Low-A Charleston (6-5 loss to Greenville)
Slade Heathcott, CF: 2 for 4, 2 R, 1 2B, 1 BB, 1 K – threw a runner out at the plate
Kelvin Castro, SS, Rob Lyerly, 3B, Luke Murton, 1B, Neil Medchill, LF & Emerson Landoni, 2B: all 1 for 4 – Castro walked, got caught stealing, drove in a run, K’ed & committed a fielding error … Lyerly drove in two, K’ed twice & committed a fielding error… Murton drove in one & K’ed once … Medchill hit a solo jack & K’ed … Landoni K’ed
J.R. Murphy, C: 0 for 3, 1 R, 1 BB, 2 PB
Ramon Flores, RF: 0 for 4, 3 K – yikes
Francisco Santana, DH: 1 for 3, 1 R, 1 BB
Mike Gipson: 3 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 2-4 GB/FB – just up from Staten Island because of all the recent movement
Jairo Heredia: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 1 HB, 3-1 GB/FB – kinda telling that with all the pitching moves, they didn’t even bother to stick him back in the rotation
Gabriel Tatis: 1.2 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 2-1 GB/FB
Manny Barreda: 1.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 1-1 GB/FB

Short Season Staten Island (5-1 win over Aberdeen)
Shane Brown, LF & Kelvin Duran, CF: both 1 for 3 – Brown drove in a run and walked
Casey Stevenson, 2B: 0 for 4, 1 R, 1 K
Rob Segedin, 3B: 1 for 3, 2 R, 1 K, 1 HBP – he’s had at least one hit in each game since the promotion
Kyle Roller, 1B: 2 for 4, 1 R, 1 3B, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 1 K – had been just seven for his previous 30 (.233)
Gary Sanchez, C: 1 for 4, 1 2B, 1 K, 1 PB – left the game after grounding out in the 8th … not sure what that’s about
Kelvin DeLeon, RF: 0 for 3, 1 K
Cito Culver, SS: 1 for 3, 1 CS
Mike Ferraro, DH: 0 for 2, 1 R, 1 BB
Nik Turley: 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 6 BB, 4 K, 2-5 GB/FB – picked a runner off first … surprisingly, the walks haven’t been much of an issue this year … I guess I’m just programmed to expect high walk totals with these big project guys
Rich Martinez: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 2-2 GB/FB
Dan Burawa: 1 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1-0 GB/FB – he was 94-96 on the gun
Chase Whitley: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 2-1 GB/FB

Rookie GCL Yanks had their game postponed due to rain. They’ll make it up as part of a doubleheader tomorrow. Their season ends this Saturday and they’re nowhere close to a playoff spot, so get ready to say goodbye in a few days.

Categories : Down on the Farm


  1. MikeD says:

    The Yankees seem to be focusing on SS’s in the minors all of sudden. Isn’t that three so for, including Culver and two on the international side?

    Hmmmm, I wonder if they’re concerned about something?

    As for ManBan, he’s just 19. Learning time.

    • Big Juan says:

      Not concerned, just stockpiling talent at a premium position. Exactly what they did with their catchers.

    • Johan Iz My Brohan says:

      The philosophy I believe is to build up the middle. You’ve seen them draft/sign multiple catchers obviously, and then there is a bunch of center fielders that have been recently drafted as well, such as Heathcott last year, and Gumbs and Williams this year.

      • Angelo says:


        It has nothing to do with being “worried” about something. You don’t get worried and draft players that probably will never/might make a impact in 4-6 years.

    • Ed says:

      There are four positions you favor for prospects:

      Catcher, Shortstop, Centerfield, and Starting Pitcher

      The guys that end up unable to handle those positions move to fill in the others. Shortstops in particular are probably the easiest players to move to other positions if it doesn’t work out, so there’s really little downside to signing them.

      • Captain Jack says:

        There’s also the issue if their glove at CA, SS, or CF and glove won’t play anywhere else they move them it’d be hard for them to land a role. My thinking is that they just like signing players that they like, regardless of position. The Yankees are an organization that isn’t afraid of trading prospects for premium talent. With their newfound catcher depth and apparent starting pitching depth I wouldn’t be surprised if they saw a catcher or a starting pitcher that they liked and spent big on them in the draft or IFA market.

        • AP says:

          You obviously want a projectable bat, but if you can get it at one of the premium positions, it’s much more valuable than if not because you still have options. A top SS prospect who doesn’t hit well enough could still be a utility guy. If he can hit, but can’t field, you move him to another position (2B, 3B, RF, LF or 1B). If you draft a 1B, he better be able to hit… a lot. If either his bat or his glove don’t live up to expectations, he’s lost all value.

          • Captain Jack says:

            File this under obvious drafting strategies, though to your point most of those positions that get drafted early the player is usually out of college and close to the majors or has an extremely projectable bat like a Jason Heyward, Eric Hosmer, etc. My point basically was that I don’t think that they target a specific position, rather that they just target players that they like, regardless of position. I mean, with the draft you usually take BPA regardless of the situation you have at the ML level. Their IFA signings have always been higher ceilinged athletes, or freakish hitters.

            • AP says:

              Honestly, I think it depends on the team. Some teams draft (or sign) the best player available, no matter the position. I think the Yanks have shown lately that they prefer up the middle talent over pure bat. Slade, Culver, Murphy, Gumbs and Romine were all drafted in the first 2 rounds the last few years and Montero and Sanchez have been their top international signings the last few years.

              • Captain Jack says:

                They also may not be as high on the “pure bats” as the other media outlets are. The organization really liked Slade, Culver, and Murphy…same with Romine. Even now the organization insists that Cito Culver was a first round talent when receiving criticism from some of the media outlets about drafting conservatively. With Heathcott, the Yankees liked him a lot, you can read his interviews with Kevin on the old NoMaas draft blog; also that was the comp pick when Garrett Cole didn’t sign…if they didn’t sign that pick they wouldn’t get another comp pick so they had to take someone with a higher propensity to sign than maybe a “pure ceiling” pick at that spot. Furthermore, at the time of the draft Heathcott was my second favorite choice behind Grant Green, who was taken by Oakland. As to Murphy, Oppenheimer compared him favorably to Austin Romine back at the time of the draft (interview on Kevin’s old blog) so it appears that perhaps their scouts just have different views on the big named draft and IFA talents than the BAs, Keith Laws, and KGs out there. Montero was regarded as the best IFA at the time he signed, Sanchez was the third best, they were also heavily in on Sano who was regarded as the best.

                • Ted Nelson says:

                  Captain Jack,

                  I think it’s pretty hard to argue that the Yankees haven’t been employing a strategy that favors up-the-middle or premium position players over recent years: the results speak for themselves. I’m not exactly sure what you’re arguing… First you said that you have to worry about whether a SS’s glove won’t play anywhere else, then you called it an “obvious draft strategy” to draft up the middle players because, presumably, those are the positions where the best amateur athletes play. You have agreed with the points made, but seem to be disagreeing only over semantics (“they draft up-the-middle players they like” v. “they draft players they like up the middle”… why do they like the up-the-middle guys more in the first place?) or to prove you are right. I would also file it under “obvious draft strategies” that teams pick the players they like… so, I’m still not sure why you disagree that the Yankees have drafted a lot of up-the-middle talent over the last few years, a decent number of whom may end up changing positions at some point. You can add to that point that in doing so they got what they felt was the best value, but again I think that’s also pretty obvious and more of a qualification than a point of disagreement.

                  • Captain Jack says:

                    I don’t think it’s “up the middle talent” that they like, I think it’s just that most of the talented players that the Yankees draft (typically HSers) play “up the middle.” I mean, if Anthony Rendon fell to them in the next draft I don’t think they’d hesitate to draft him for not playing “up the middle.” Which you’re right, perhaps is just semantics.

    • zs190 says:

      Actually, teams always sign a lot of shortstops because the best prospects and most athletic kids usually play shortstop or centerfield. A lot of guys who are not shortstops played there before. ARod, Cano, Jeter were all shortstops, heck I think Jorge Posada was a shortstop in college. Don’t worry too much about what they are listed as right now.

      • sleepykarl says:

        Posada was drafted as a 2nd baseman I believe. I think Miggy Cabrera was signed as a SS (who obviously was quickly moved to 3rd).

        • zs190 says:

          Yeah, he was drafted as a 2B. Was a shortstop in both high school and college though. The Yankees scout that drafted him didn’t think he could stick at SS and moved him off.

          “Fortunately, Jorge’s reputation as a power-hitting shortstop preceded him. Fred Frickie, the baseball coach at Calhoun Community College in Decatur, Alabama, had received glowing reports on him. He offered a scholarship sight-unseen to Jorge, who accepted and then headed north for the school’s campus.”

        • zs190 says:

          Now that I think of it, I think even the official announcement of drafting Jorge was as SS too.

  2. pat says:

    I’ve seen on another site that that Tzu-Wei Lin is actually a 3b

    The star of the world junior championship squad, Tzu-Wei Lin has a bright future ahead of him. At 16, he’s a world champ, the WJC tourney MVP/most outstanding defensive player/tourney All-star 3B, and owned the highest BA in the tourney. He’s apparently being represented by heavyweight – Octagon (rumor has it that he signed with them – with the assistance of the Yankees’ Ken Su, during his last HS tourney).


  3. Chris says:

    Why do they give the signing bonuses for the first 10 round only?

  4. K.B.D. says:

    I was at the SI Yanks game tonight, Row F on the 1st base side.

    Turley’s fastball command was pretty bad (as you can tell from the walks). His breaking stuff seemed to be working pretty well, as his slider got three swinging strikes in the first two batters.

    Kyle Roller is a big boy. HR was to RF and was a pretty solid shot off of the lefty Aberdeen pitcher. He looked pretty bad in the field though and seemingly has fall over range.

    Gary Sanchez’s double was an opposite field job. He hit the previous pitch pretty far and foul to RF. He’s definitely what you would call “stout”. He moved around behind the plate pretty well and had to, as Turley bounced a number of breaking balls to him.

    Kelvin DeLeon has zero plate discipline. Someone in front of me was trying to remind him, but I don’t think it’s in his vocabulary. In his second AB he struck out on three pitchers, all of which he swung at, making zero contact. The next time up, he swung and missed at the first two pitches. Kelvin then actually took two before striking out swinging.

    Culver hit a ball hard the opposite way (as a LHB), but it got flagged down in the gap by the left fielder. He also made a decent play charging a chopper and getting the guy at first. Cito’s CS resulted from a pick off. It looked like Cito was moving back to first on the pitcher’s move, then second guessed himself and ended up getting run down on his way to 2nd.

    Segedin definitely seemed to be the most composed hitter in the lineup. Solid at bats. His strike out was actually two bad calls in a row after he got the count 3-1.

  5. ZZ says:

    I was talking about Nunez a bit before the game in the thread but had to run. When I went back now, I saw someone responded that he was left out of the top 30 list.

    Can anyone tell me what/who’s list that comment was in reference to?

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Mike’s newest one. I’d link it for you but my computer is unbearably slow today. Type in the search bar top 30 prospects and it’ll be there.

      • ZZ says:

        Thanks. Wow. I retract my statements from before.

        That just demonstrates the gap between the value of prospect rankings and farm system rankings and the value of those prospects in reality.

        If Nunez is not one of the top 30 prospects in the Yankee system, these external rankings become pure entertainment and that’s it.

        • Angelo says:

          Eh, not necessarily. Axisa had a good ranking system (if you ask me), but everyone knows he thinks Nunez is terrible and would care less if Nunez exploded suddenly on the field. I’ll just wait and see what Nunez does before judging.

          • Joe says:

            nunez is a top 30 prospect no matter how biased you are.

            • Angelo says:

              I would say Nunez is a top 30, Joe, but I’m not going to kill Axisa for not putting him on the Top 30.

              If Nunez amounts to nothing then he can say he was right. That’s all I was saying.

              • Joe says:

                the only reason i dont like it is because his extreme bias is why he roots against the player…does that make sense if ur a yankee fan?

                • Ghost says:

                  Is it really a biased? Do you homework brochacho, It wasn’t until this year that nunez has really showed anything with his bat, doesn’t really have power, his defense has always been below average though reports have him slightly better this year, he doesn’t walk and doesn’t really have any standout tools other than speed and arm strength.

              • Captain Jack says:

                Nunez’s ceiling is a fringe starter…if he amounts to nothing for the Yankees it’s because they found a better utility infielder; not necessarily because Nunez blows.

                • K.B.D. says:

                  Nunez’s ceiling is that of a fringe starter? I’d disagree. That may be what he eventually turns into, but I don’t think that’s his ceiling by any means.

                  • Captain Jack says:

                    Over 2700 career PAs in the minors he has a .687 OPS. I’d say that’s a pretty fair ceiling.

                    • K.B.D. says:

                      … And in the last two years he’s played some of the best ball of his career (.750 OPS roughly) and shown signs of improvement with regards to his plate discipline.

                      I’m not saying he’s going to be a starter at any point in his career. In fact I seriously doubt it. But I think his upside is at least that of an average SS. If you disagree, then we are simply at an impasse.

                    • ZZ says:

                      Citing the career OPS of a prospect makes very little sense given the varying development path and the frequency of making drastic strides in short periods of time with these young players.

                  • AP says:

                    Agreed. Nunez’s ceiling is that of a ML starter. He will most likely be a fringe starter.

        • Ed says:

          How does it demonstrate that?

          Nunez’s value comes from being on the 40 man roster and from being the best SS option at AAA. His potential upside is basically “a little bit better than Ramiro Pena.”

          Or put another way, Nunez is simply the least bad option in the high minors.

          • AP says:

            I would say his potential upside is a lot higher than Ramiro Pena. Nunez has the upside of a starter, but most people seem to think he will never reach that potential. Pena is (and will always be) nothing more than a utility guy.

          • ZZ says:

            Not at all. Ramiro Pena and Eduardo Nunez are nowhere close in terms of level or value of prospects.

            In reality, Nunez is a very valuable prospect to the Yankees. He is a close to MLB ready SS in a league that has become an absolute disaster, majors and minors, at the position.

            Nunez is one of the top SS prospects in baseball and in the coming years and maybe even right now his value is that of an MLB starting SS for a number of teams.

            His utility and value to the Yankees now and in the near future far exceeds a large number of prospects on that list.

            That value is what matters in reality. To make an argument otherwise just fundamentally ignores what prospects real world use are and dives purely into the entertainment for fan consumption.

            • Meh, I think that he can both be one of the top SS prospects in baseball (he’s not*, though) and still have very little utility/value to the Yankees (or anyone else, for that matter).

              Because he’s only a top SS prospect because SS generally sucks, and he’s only the top SS prospect because he’s made it to AAA and now the bigs. There’s another Eduardo Nuñez behind him, though, and there’s other Eduardo Nuñezes in every team’s system, so he doesn’t have much value.

              (* Dee Gordon, Grant Green, Jiovanni Mier, Wilmer Flores, Miguel J. Saño, Tim Beckham, Jose Iglesias, Lee Hak-Ju, Junior Arias, Hector Gomez, Carlos Triunfel, Gabe Noriega, Jurickson Profar, Drew Cumberland, Danny Espinosa, Manny Machado, Chris Colon, Marcus Littlewood, etc. There’s a shitload of shortstops way better than Eduardo Nuñez. Every team has an Eduardo Nuñez at AAA and AA.)

              • ZZ says:

                There’s another Eduardo Nuñez behind him, though, and there’s other Eduardo Nuñezes in every team’s system, so he doesn’t have much value.

                This could not be further from the truth. You are selling Nunez far too short.

                There are very few teams in baseball with a SS of Nunez’s caliber in their system.

                You need to update your list with the 2010 advancements of Eduardo Nunez and the serious decline/not living up to the pre-2010 BA hype.

                That list is a very poor compilation given the season many of these players are having.

                • Chris says:

                  Here is a list of SS in the International League that have a better OPS than Nunez (100 AB min):

                  Diory Hernandez
                  Elliot Johnson
                  Fernando Cortez
                  Brian Bixler (tie)
                  Angel Chavez
                  Jason Donald
                  Zack Cozart
                  Pete Orr
                  Trevor Plouffe

                  Obviously there’s more to it than simply OPS, but it’s not like he’s lighting the world on fire. He’s got a .289/.340/.381/.721 batting line in AAA this year.

                  • ZZ says:

                    Hernandez is a 26 year old in his 3rd season at AAA.

                    Johnson is another 26 year old, but in his 4th season in AAA.

                    Cortez is a 28 year old in his 5th season at AAA.

                    Do I need to go further down your list? What exactly does that tell me?

                  • AP says:

                    Most of those are veteran players who should have a higher OPS than Nunez. That means nothing.

              • zs190 says:

                Meh, I’m far from the biggest Nunez fan here but there are a lot of guys here that are arguably not better.

                Sano, Flores, and Triunfel are not going to play at SS.

                Littlewood, Colon, and Green are guys that many have doubts over whether they can play SS.

                Mier can’t hit a lick and I’m not buying that he’s a better prospect than Nunez even.

                I don’t recognize Noriega/Arias/Gomez out of your list, but that’s probably because Arias is in rookie ball, Noriega just started A ball and hasn’t hit. I probably should know Gomez but meh, .730 OPS in the CAL league at age 21?

            • Ed says:

              Nunez is one of the top SS prospects in baseball and in the coming years and maybe even right now his value is that of an MLB starting SS for a number of teams.

              I haven’t seen anything to suggest that was a realistic evaluation. I’ve seen people start to assume that from the Yankees hesitance to include him in the Cliff Lee trade, but that’s it.

              His utility and value to the Yankees now and in the near future far exceeds a large number of prospects on that list.

              That’s only true if you believe he’s going to be a starter. Most knowledgeable people making prospect lists don’t seem to, and I trust their opinions more than yours.

              That value is what matters in reality. To make an argument otherwise just fundamentally ignores what prospects real world use are and dives purely into the entertainment for fan consumption.

              The issue here isn’t how you/me/list makers are determining the value of prospects. You simply think Nunez has more talent than most do. I’m sure Mike’s list would’ve had Nunez the top half of his list if he actually thought Nunez was a legit MLB starter.

              • ZZ says:

                Can you link the knowledgeable people that say Nunez is not a starter at the position?

                I am not overrating nor underrating Nunez. I am being realistic with his ability. I admitted he is not the greatest talented baseball player.

                However, relatively he is a talented player and relatively is all that matters. To be a starter you just have to be better than the players behind you.

                Elvis Andrus was an All Star this year. The position is the weakest it has been in years and there is very little help coming from the minor leagues.

              • AP says:

                Bottom line is that if Jeter suffered an injury in spring training that kept him out all next year, the Yankees would at least consider giving Nunez a chance before going out and trading for someone. They wouldn’t even give a second thought to Ramiro Pena or anyone else in the system.

          • K.B.D. says:

            That comparison sells Nunez’s speed pretty short. He’s an above average base stealer which helps to maximize the value of his times on base. Pena is basically a zero with the bat and of no discernible value on the basepaths.

            • Joe says:

              nunez was voted the fastest player in the IL and had stolen 30+ bases

            • Ed says:

              You’re right, I don’t really pay attention to his speed. Other than that, his minor league career offense is essentially Ramiro Pena plus a couple of home runs. Sure it’s better, but Pena is an awfully low bar to compare to.

              • ZZ says:

                Is there another superior player in the Yankee system named Ramiro Pena that I am not aware of?

                Pena did not hit at all in the minors. Nowhere close to the past 2 seasons Nunez has had.

              • Ted Nelson says:

                It may be a mistake to look at their entire MiLB careers. Nunez got better as he advanced through the system and got to the higher levels against better competition. You can’t say the same about Pena.

          • Captain Jack says:

            To be fair, most utility infielders blow. If they were good they’d start for someone else.

  6. zs190 says:

    Actually KG said Lin’s 5’10, not 5’11. All the Taiwanese sites lists him as 5’9 though. His weight listing varies on various sites. I’ve seen anywhere from 140 to 155. Hits left handed, throws right handed. Athletic guy that’s played all over the place. He’s listed as an infielder on most sites (might just be default for all infielders) and played 3B in the recent IBAF World Junior tournament. Was the MVP of the tournament hitting 17 for 28 (.607) with pretty decent competition it seems.

    A lot of teams were on him after the tournament according to the media, I’ve read Red Sox, Cardinals, Royals, and Tigers and Yankees. His favorite team was Yankees though so that was his preferred team, I’m sure the money helps too, his family was described to be under significant economic stress due to a recent flooding in his hometown.

    • Chris says:

      He’s 16. Any measurements more than a couple months old would be suspect, and significant variation would be expected.

    • Angelo says:

      He’s 16 so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s still growing. Meaning he’s probably taller than 5’9 now, or he could be anywhere between 5’9-5’11. The taller the better, of course. Whatsup with everyone posting some nice info today? Haha.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      Any idea who was playing SS for that team? (What I’m getting at is: was he playing 3B because they had a great SS ahead of him or because he can’t play SS… I guess that’s an obvious question, but anyone have any info?)

  7. Both Noesi and Mitchell are now at the top level of the minors.

    Good shit, I’m happy for them.

  8. Reggie C. says:

    With last night’s report of Yankees brass flying out to Japan, it seems that the org.’s stepping up its Asia scouting. Here’s hoping Tzu-Wei Lin speaks some English so the culture shock isnt too bad.

    Btw, What’s CMW up to these days? Did he go back home to rehab the ankle/shoulder/forearm?

    • zs190 says:

      Wang’s rehabbing with the Nats, they’ve basically they don’t expect him to be back this season.

      Lin has been wanting to come to the major leagues for quite some time apparently and has been studying English pretty hard over there from what I gathered in news reports. Still going to be a major culture shock though. If he comes over next season, maybe Kuo (3B on our GCL team) will still be there to help him get used to playing here.

    • Wang progressing … slowly:
      Chien-Ming Wang (shoulder) is throwing in Viera, Fla., but the Nationals still don’t have any plans for him to start a rehab assignment in order to return before the end of the season. “We haven’t even mentioned his name,” manager Jim Riggleman told the Washington Post. “The fact that we’re talking about these others, I’m not counting him. But that would be a really nice surprise to see him show up in September ready to pitch. I’d have to hear a lot more encouraging news.” GM Mike Rizzo isn’t ruling out a September return, even if in the bullpen. “I think there’s still a chance he pitches for us this year,” Rizzo told the paper. “I think he’s progressing — he’s slowly progressing, but progressing. He’s now throwing off-the-mound bullpens on a regular basis. We’ll have to see where he’s at. I expect him to pitch for us this year.”
      (Updated 08/10/2010)

  9. Carlosologist says:

    Betances and Banuelos are just two levels away from the Majors. This is very exciting.

    • Angelo says:

      Betances is going to need to get more innings under his belt if he wants to make a real impact in 2-3 years. Here’s to hoping he stays healthy and starts to build up those innings.

      And ManBan is my favorite prospect. He will dominate every single level of the minors and then he’ll dominate MLB by winning 6 Cy Young’s, book it.

  10. Ghost says:

    Geez Wilkin DeLaRosa still walking the wire line? I thought he fell off already. Ok that’s just mean.

  11. Joe says:

    who would you guys say on the Staten Island roster do you see as the top 5 best MLB players in the future?

    • Naved says:

      Gary Sanchez.

      • Joe says:

        thats one… my list goes like this: sanchez culver segedin de leon burawa or kahlne

        • Angelo says:

          Are relievers ever considered top 5 prospects? Burawa and Kahlne will probably never be that (then again, there is a good chance none of them ever are top 5 prospects.)

          I’ll say this:




          De Leon

          • Joe says:

            well sanchez is and will be lol

          • I’d be okay with someone putting Burawa or Kahnle in front of DeLeon given the the much dimmer likelihood that Kelvin DeLeon becomes anything more than a thinner modern-day Wily Mo Peña.

            Burawa and Kahnle don’t have DeLeon’s ceiling, but they’re much more likely to actually reach their ceiling and ever contribute to a big league roster.

            • Joe says:

              who you like better: burawa or kahnle?

            • AP says:

              So if Pena didn’t have the clause in his contract where he had to be on a ML roster after X years, do you think he would have developed into anything more than he did? Personally, I think he could have been much better if he wasn’t rushed. I don’t disagree with your logic. I’m just hoping that with some patience, DeLeon has a better chance to figure it all out than Pena did.

              • Angelo says:

                Pena never hit well in the minors, so I don’t think so.

                And even if De Leon has a chance to figure it out, those chances are slim to begin with, and the fact that he has shown zero patience and striking out a ton, makes for a good chance of future failure. He has a sky high ceiling, so there is still hope, but I wouldn’t put my money on him.

                • AP says:

                  I’m not putting a dime on him figuring it out, but it’s a nice comparison between him and Pena, so I’m interested to see how he progresses. I think Pena never hit well in the minors because he was rushed. The clocked started from the day they signed him and he basically HAD to jump to certain levels by certain years, so they couldn’t be patient with him. Maybe this is their do-over.

                  • Ted Nelson says:

                    Even without plate discipline maybe De Leon develops the power to be a big leaguer regardless. There does seem to be good reason to question his work ethic and compare him to Wily Mo Pena (though not as good… at 19 Pena was in AA putting up a .813 OPS), but if his power comes through he could still be a useful major leaguer. Not too promising that his power has steadily declined as he’s advanced and he’s currently below Sosa in SLG% (Sosa is listed at 155 lbs…). Angelo’s rankings below seem reasonable, and the question is who are the top 5 on Staten Island’s roster… not really how do those guys stack up (though that’s a natural progression and probably more relevant).

          • Angelo says:

            Messed up. Let me correct that.

            Sanchez>>>>>>>Culver>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sosa/Segedin>>>>>>>De Leon

            Segedin has a really good bat, but it’s been indicated that he’ll likely move to the outfield in the future. He’s much more valuable if he stays at thirdbase, of course. Culver is a young shortstop that the Yankees love, so I would watch him carefully. Sanchez is god.
            If De Leon ever figures out what plate discipline is, then we can talk about him since his potential is tremendous. Sosa has good tools, But I’m not sure if he has the ceiling of a De Leon/Sanchez though.

            • Ghost says:

              If I’m not wrong I asked the sosa vs De leon and I believe my question was who has the higher upside and If I remember correct he said Sosa.

    • pat says:

      Most of the guys in SI are 3 or 4 years away from the majors. Kinda hard to project anyone to be a Top 5 player in the majors.

    • AP says:

      I’ll only go 3, but I’ve got:
      Sanchez – head-and-shoulders above the rest of the list
      Culver – I get the feeling that the Yanks are confident that they got a steal here
      DeLeon – a definite hit-or-miss prospect, but his upside is HUGE

    • zs190 says:

      Probably Sanchez, Culver, Sosa, Segedin, Kahnle. Debatable between Kahnle and Mikey O’Brien, I think. If you think O’Brien’s size is not a big detriment, he could be a back of rotation starter. Kahnle should move fast, might be a big league reliever or setup guy in 2 years.

      • Joe says:

        so not a fan of de leon huh?

        • Total lack of plate discipline is always a scary thing.

        • zs190 says:

          Not a fan, yeah. Nice power and arm, restricted to corner OF, doesn’t run well, and biggest thing is he still hasn’t developed enough pitch recognition. Sure he’s still an interesting prospect, but my gut feeling says he never makes it to the majors.

          • Ghost says:

            He’s more than an interesting prospect because of his ceiling/present power tool/ and the fact that he is just 19 in low A ball. give it time, they can teach him pitch recognition, what I would like to see is for him to cut down on K’s (this should improve with time hopefully) while picking up his LD%.

            • Angelo says:

              He’s not in Low-A yet. And although there is some hope for De leon because he’s young, his strikeout rates are ridiculous, and have been for 3 years now. I’m not saying he can’t figure it out, but there is a very good chance he doesn’t. They’re called prospects for a reason. Even the most talented prospects don’t always figure it out.

  12. Naved says:

    Man Ban is going to be nasty. This is just a little hiccup. He needs to taste defeat sometime, might as well do it in AA.

    • Joe says:

      he gets a mulligan becasue its his first start and the conditions were poor. apparently he had a hard time maintaining his curve.

  13. Joe says:

    anyone know what happened to eduardo sosa?

  14. Joe says:

    heathcott with his best gardner performance tonight by throwing a runner out at the plate.

    • AP says:

      That got me thinking… if Heathcott turned into Gardner (of 2010, not what he could regress to beyond this year), would you/we be happy with that? That would mean he developed no power, but I think I’d be happy with a .300 hitter with top-of-the-line speed and defensive ability.

      • Joe says:

        wouldnt be happy only because heathcott has labels that he will be a 5 tool player and feel we would have wasted the pick on him if he turns into a guy with no power. plus, gardner is not a 300 hitter.

        • Angelo says:


          I wouldn’t be upset because Gardner has been been very good this season, but I have higher expectations for Heathcott because of his tools.

        • AP says:

          4 out of 5 tools ain’t bad… if you trade one of those tools for power, he’s an All-Star. Power is a pretty shitty tool to not have, though.

        • Ghost says:

          But it wouldn’t be a wasted pick even if the power tool fails. Think of how many prospects (1st rounders included) flame out or fail to reach their ceiling. I would be somewhat dissapointed if Heathcott’s power doesn’t develope but if he turned into a very serviceable mlb starting CF with good defense, great plate discipline, .285-.290 hitter with 40+ SB potential then I will be satisfied! There’s alot of value in that!

          • AP says:

            Word. His ceiling is basically Gardner with more pop (we’ll say 15 HR/yr more) and a little better bat (10-20 points higher). I think I’d be happy with him developing that close to his ceiling.

          • Ted Nelson says:

            Very good point. If he has a long ML career I will be happy with the pick.

            Probably his power develops at least a little more than Gardner, given his frame. I would be very surprised if Slade becomes a Gardner-caliber base stealer, on the other hand.

      • zs190 says:

        Would be a bit disappointed. I don’t think Heathcott is going to be a big power hitter, but the scouting report still suggests at least 15-20 HR power.

    • camilo gerardo says:

      dumb convo; he will have the power

      • Angelo says:

        This is more of an assumption than anything else. He might be a bust a few years from now that never developed power.

        But of course let’s just assume things that aren’t fact.

  15. Gary Sanchez actually waved at my friend, Brent, who was with me (we were RIGHT behind the on deck circle.

    He turned into a bigger puddle of superfan than me, and that’s saying something

  16. Jeffrey says:

    Mike Ashmore had Banuelos at 91-93. After all of the excitement of 97 maybe the radar gun was too generous.

    • camilo gerardo says:

      maybe sss?

    • Angelo says:

      No one said Banuelos would hit 97mph every time out. His last start was the only time he had ever hit that high. Plus, Piliere was using his own gun.

      There is also a chance that Ashmore’s gun was a bit off, or the more likely case: He’s not going to light up radar guns every time out. He’s still just 19. There have been consistent reports of ManBan hitting 95mph this season. One start doesn’t change that.

  17. Brian in NH says:

    Tough loss for trenton, but I saw Drabek pitch earlier this year on July 4th and he threw a no-hitter. Looked devastating at times, and his velocity was creeping up as teh game wore on. I hate to say this, but they just gotta kinda tip their caps to him as well because Drabek can be unhittable at times.

  18. larryf says:

    Thames in LF for new hampshire with 25HR’s! Nice. Be nice if we could have said the same. HR-wise.

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