Game 132: Keep this train a-rollin’


Because these guys have, sadly, not been around much:

A wise man once said: “We won yesterday. If we win today, that’s two in a row. If we win tomorrow, that’s called a winning streak. It has happened before.” The Yanks haven’t had many winning streaks in August, but they’re on one right now thanks to a win last night. Now it’s time to keep that train a-rollin’ to four in a row.

Taking the hill for Oakland will be 23-year-old New Jersey native Vin Mazzaro. He’ll be making his third appearance against the Yankees tonight, and his second in front of the Yankee Stadium crowd. Last time he pitched here he allowed six runs in 4.1 innings. This year he’s been a bit better overall. Like Trevor Cahill, he seems to benefit a ton from the Oakland defense. His 3.61 ERA is quite a distance from his 4.59 FIP and 4.50 xFIP, and about a mile from his 5.07 tERA. Could we see the second night in a row of statistical correction?

Phil Hughes is coming off his worst start of the year, a 3.2-inning, 102-pitch effort in Toronto last week. He’ll look to get back into the six-inning groove tonight. We pay attention to Hughes’s starts because he’s good and has the potential to be better, but his starts are even more interesting now. He’ll enter uncharted innings territory tonight after just 1.2 innings, so it’s tough to know what to expect. I’m also curious to see if he ever plans to work in more curves and changes, or if he’s going to stick with his bread and butter, results be damned, for the rest of the season.


1. Brett Gardner, LF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Mark Teixeira, 1B
4. Robinson Cano, 2B
5. Nick Swisher, RF
6. Jorge Posada, C
7. Marcus Thames, DH
8. Curtis Granderson, CF
9. Ramiro Pena, 3B

And on the mound, number sixty-five, Phil Hughes.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Aerosmith I associate with Boston, unfortunately, but man those are some nasty licks.

  2. A wise man once said: “We won yesterday. If we win today, that’s two in a row. If we win tomorrow, that’s called a winning streak. It has happened before.”

    The last thing he said to me, “Doc,” he said, “some time… when the crew is up against it, and the breaks are beating the boys, tell them to get out there and give it all they got — and win just one for the Zipper. I don’t know where I’ll be then, Doc,” he said, “but I won’t smell too good, that’s for sure.”

  3. Pat D says:

    RIP James Gammon.

  4. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Allow me to one 1-Up that song (Guns N’ Roses – Nightrain)

    One of my favorite solos evaaaaa.

  5. ZZ says:

    Can’t believe I missed a Joba debate this morning. You guys need to corroborate those posts with my schedule so you have at least one person disagreeing with the collective RAB Joba to the rotation demands ;)

    There is a lot I can say in reply, but I am sure there will be plenty more Joba posts in the future ti say those things. There is one thing I felt the need to comment on, because it really annoys me.

    The Joba has greater value as a starter so then it is obvious he must be a starter theory is so flawed and incomplete I can’t believe people still routinely cite it as evidence in this discussion. Building a team is not about maximizing every single individuals greatest value throughout the organization. It is about moving the pieces to get the right combination and maximizing the value of the 25 man roster taking all the players in the organization into account.

    It really is very simple. If Joba is starting, he is precluding someone else from starting. There is significant opportunity cost of Joba starting, especially now that there is so much pitching talent in the organization from the big league club through the farm system. For example, if Joba was the 5th starter this year, then Hughes would not be starting. In this case you are maximizing Joba’s individual value, but you are minimizing the team’s value.

    It really does not matter how valuable Joba is as a starter relative to how valuable he is as a reliever. The only way Joba will ever be a starter on this team again is if his value as a starter exceeds the value the alternative options bring to the starting rotation.

    • king of fruitless hypotheticals says:

      it isnt exactly the marginal utility of the player…

      lets say you’re exactly right. If Joba starts, then…Cliff Lee doesnt (work with me here). The bajillion dollars we were going to dump on Lee then goes to work somewhere else, like signing Manny to DH. THEN we have a better DH than we would have otherwise had, and the team is better.

      Nobody is saying Joba to the rotation so CC can go to the pen. Maybe its Joba to the rotation cause it was Andy to the house.

    • Well said.

      My reply: either next year (or the year after that, if Andy Pettitte decides to come back for another go-round) when a hole opens in the rotation that we can’t plug with Cliff Lee or a similar elite FA import, Joba Chamberlain provides more value as a starter than any of the other internal options available, including Mitre/Nova/Noesi/Phelps/Warren/Brackman/etc., and probably provides more value as a starter than any of the non-elite options available on the free agent market.

      Opportunity cost runs both ways: Yes, Joba’s value as a starter is lessened if he’s pushing other “better” options out of the rotation (like Hughes this year), but eventually putting Joba back in the rotation spares us from the negative opportunity cost of having to sign/trade for a more expensive and probably lesser quality alternative not already in the organization and thus his value as a starter is increased.

      Making Joba a starter in this 2010 season with CC-AJ-Pettitte-Vazquez-Hughes may not have been the right decision since Hughes has obviously been the better pitcher*, but when guys like Vazquez and Pettitte leave the team in the coming months/years, unless there are Cliff Lee guys to replace each departure with, we’re best served replacing one of them with Joba Chamberlain.


      (*Be careful in judging that move as a slam-dunk win. We don’t know if Joba wouldn’t have been as successful had he been picked to be the starter and Hughes the reliever. Obviously, Joba looked like crap initially, but he’s come around; perhaps he would have similarly come around had he been starting all year. And he wouldn’t have the innings concern now facing Hughes.)

      • ZZ says:

        The major disconnect between us two on the Joba debates comes in how we evaluate him.

        The way he is throwing the ball this year and in 2009, if he continues to throw that way won’t be a better option than the promising arms in the minors. If you were to “scout” Joba as a prospect right now the reports would not be impressive.

        He is not the front of the rotation future ace he was in 2007-2008. He simply is not the same pitcher anymore and hasn’t been for quite some time.

    • Steve O. says:

      The Joba has greater value as a starter so then it is obvious he must be a starter theory is so flawed and incomplete I can’t believe people still routinely cite it as evidence in this discussion. Building a team is not about maximizing every single individuals greatest value throughout the organization. It is about moving the pieces to get the right combination and maximizing the value of the 25 man roster taking all the players in the organization into account.

      You are correct, it does maximize the current 25 man value. Although things aren’t viewed in a vacuum. If Joba was pitching the innings that Moseley/Nova pitched, he would already have more innings and more value in those spot starts than he would in the bullpen. Joba the 6th starter >>>>>>>>>> Joba the bullpen guy. Our starters have suffered injuries/ineffectiveness pressing our 6th/7th guys into the rotation.

      It really is very simple. If Joba is starting, he is precluding someone else from starting. There is significant opportunity cost of Joba starting, especially now that there is so much pitching talent in the organization from the big league club through the farm system. For example, if Joba was the 5th starter this year, then Hughes would not be starting. In this case you are maximizing Joba’s individual value, but you are minimizing the team’s value.

      It’s minimizing the team’s value if all 5 starters pitch effectively and injury free for the vast majority of the season.

      It really does not matter how valuable Joba is as a starter relative to how valuable he is as a reliever. The only way Joba will ever be a starter on this team again is if his value as a starter exceeds the value the alternative options bring to the starting rotation.

      His value will be that he is a cost controlled phenom with a lot of upside. It allows the Yankees to effectively use their funds somewhere else. If Pettitte retires, I want Joba in the rotation. If it’s next year, fine. If it’s two years from now, that’s still fine. Joba will be there when Andy retires.

    • Joe West's Music Career says:

      I got an idea. Burnett to the 8th!!!!!!

      Problem = solved.

  6. Ross in Jersey says:

    I feel like (With Alex in for Pena in the cleanup, moving everyone else down) this is the strongest lineup we can put on the field in the playoffs.

    I much prefer Gardner leading off, and Granderson’s power and speed fitting into the 9 hole. And obviously, Thames/Berkman depending on if there’s a righty or lefty on the hill.

    • vin says:

      Right now, I’d rather see Jeter and Gardner flipped. Breaks up the lefties with Curtis hitting 9th. Limits double plays, and of course Jeter is one of the two guys in the lineup who won’t clog the bases in front of Gardner.

      When Alex gets healthy, I still would rather see Swisher hitting 2nd because he’s just been so good this year. Your best hitters (and biggest threats) need to get as many ABs as possible.

      Either way its a ferocious lineup.

      • Ross in Jersey says:

        I like Gardner in front of Jeter because his speed can negate Jeter’s GIDP tendencies. I see your point about breaking up the lefties though. However, if an opposing manager did bring in a LOOGY late in the game to face Granderson, Joe could always counter with Kearns.

  7. bexarama says:

    Tino Martinez, playoff career:


  8. The 2 worst things about YES Network? Too many shows with Michael Kay on them, and Notre Dame replays.

  9. Ross in Jersey says:

    How many game threads are you going to try to ruin? At least reply to the comment instead of making another full post about it…

  10. It was just a dream…….

  11. Welcome back, Rose!

    Let me catch you up: While you were gone, Bret and Jersey Johnny out-crazied you and got banned for being even more annoying than you had been. Those guys made you seem harmless and entertaining.

    Let’s hope you’ve learned your lesson (this time) and don’t outdo those two nutbags and get run again. Let’s wind up the carousel, pal. Glad to have you back!

    Go Yankees!

  12. Cy Pettitte says:

    “ted lilly was claimed but pulled back, so hes staying with LA. the yankees were at least 1 of the claiming teams. #dodgers” via Jon Heyman

    what does that say about Cash’s confidence in the rotation

    • Pat D says:

      Strength in numbers?

      And remember, two of the current starters are Dustin Moseley and Ivan Nova.

    • bexarama says:

      I think it says that Ted Lilly is at least decent and would help. Hardly means Cash is panicking.

      • That. If you can get Lilly for nothing but cash and thus move Moseley out of the rotation or skip Hughes or Burnett without playing havoc with the bullpen, it’s a solid move.

        Shit, I’d be interested in Lilly for nothing but cash tomorrow as well, even post-playoff eligibility deadline. He’d be nice to have just during September to make a few starts and soak up innings to give the real playoff starters a breather.

  13. Mike Axisa says:

    Vin Mazzaro has the best stuff I’ve ever seen!

    /guy from last year’s thread

  14. Kit says:

    Please stop speaking, Tino. Your random stammering reminds me of Porky Pig and it ruins you for me.

  15. Ross in Jersey says:

    Wow. The stadium looks EMPTY.

    End of summer, mid-week, Oakland A’s, no A-rod. Guess that’s a perfect storm.

    • Everyone’s at home on pins and needles watching the MLBN Ticker to see if Texas can pull of this Jeff Francouer trade and beat the midnight playoff eligibility deadline.

      • Ross in Jersey says:

        I, for one, cannot wait for Frenchy to pinch-hit against the Yankees in the playoffs and strike out on 3 straight D-Rob fastballs.

        • bexarama says:

          Heh, my Rangers fan friend sort of explained it. He said the Rangers are something like 3-8 against the last 11 lefty starters they’ve faced, and they hit lefties a lot worse than they hit righties. In the playoffs, they’d have to face CC, Price, Liriano, Pettitte, etc. So they’re trying to get an available righty.

          It’s not a bad idea… just the only guy left is Frenchy (who he doesn’t want them to get).

      • FIPster Doofus says:

        Francoeur has played in 123 games this year. What does he have to show for it? A ghostly 0.0 fWAR. Maybe the guy is just a figment of everyone’s imagination.

    • Pat D says:

      Some kids are back in school now, too. At least where I live they are.

  16. (starts a new comment to try to reset the reply button nesting)

    Go Yankees!

  17. Pat D says:

    At least now we can focus on the game.

  18. Ross in Jersey says:

    Yeah, these posts aren’t in chronological order anymore.. Rose borked the page! *angry fist*

  19. Kit says:

    C’mon, Phil. Two more outs.

  20. Pat D says:

    My dad just called Hughes the “right-handed Sterling Hitchcock.”

  21. BadaBling says:

    Why was the ump just clapping? Calm down and call balls and strikes old man!

  22. Re: Rose

    We didn’t let him back in. He’s so desperate to draw attention to himself that he’s IP hopping his way around his timeout again. We banned him for precisely that reason and because we politely requested he stop thread-jacking every post and making it about him and his personality. He didn’t listen and feels he’s persecuted because we’ve asked him three times to stop with his behavior.

    At this point, none of us want to talk any more about this in these forums. So if Rose or anyone else reading this has a question, concern or comment about the Rose situation, they can email us privately. Otherwise, no more.

  23. Ross in Jersey says:

    I feel like I’ve seen this show before :(

  24. bexarama says:

    Hughes hun. C’mon.

  25. BadaBling says:

    Double play, bang bang.

  26. Greg says:

    The main problem with Hughes is that he cant throw his offspeed stuff for strikes consistently. He needs teams to chase the offspeed, and a patient team wont do that

  27. Ross in Jersey says:

    By the way, if anyone else is still stuck in reply-to-Rose mode….

    Delete the bold and you should be good. I think.

  28. BadaBling says:

    Brett Gardner gets the count to a full count 22% of the time.


  29. Cy Pettitte says:

    that’s some vintage BG right there

  30. larryf says:

    The Great Brettsky. No GIDP Jeets!!!!

  31. Pat D says:

    My high school’s nickname is the Green Knights.

    I hate my high school!


  32. BadaBling says:

    Jeter might draw the rare walk…

  33. Ross in Jersey says:

    Yay Brett.

    Also, I’m really curious what the story is with Mazzaro. Some guy posted earlier that he went to school with him and basically implied he was a big douche. I want details!

  34. Kit says:

    Nicely done, Derek.

  35. Cy Pettitte says:

    double steal? very nice

  36. Pat D says:

    Love the aggression.

  37. Mike Axisa says:

    Nice double steal. I approve.

  38. BadaBling says:

    I love the double steal! I did not expect that. Nicely done!

  39. bexarama says:

    Are we as exciting as the Rayngels now!??!?

  40. Kit says:

    Oh no, you okay, Tex? Please be okay.

  41. BadaBling says:

    Bases juiced baby! It’s da bro don’t ya know, Cano!

  42. ShuutoHeat (Passion>all) says:

    So what inning does the V. Mazzaro camp/family/supporters leave the stadium with their heads hanging in shame?

  43. BadaBling says:

    Cmon Ribby Cano!

  44. larryf says:

    Brett Gardner-the best 476K player in the game.


  45. Ross in Jersey says:

    This kid isn’t fooling anyone right now. Don’t let him settle down! Attack!

  46. Ross in Jersey says:

    That was not ideal :(

  47. pat says:

    Bah, hit it hard, just right at someone.

  48. Greg says:

    Dont care about the DP Got the job done

  49. Kit says:

    Aw, but it’s okay, Robbie. You’ll get ‘em next time.

  50. Cy Pettitte says:

    Swisher HR now to make up for that GIDP

  51. RalphieD says:

    cano did everything right except the location

  52. larryf says:

    Tex ran well down to second. Good sign.

  53. MikeD says:

    I wonder what the record is for most pitches in an AB? Anyone know?

  54. Ross in Jersey says:

    @YankeesWFAN A’s C Kurt Suzuki entered tonight with 14.8 CS %, 2nd lowest in the AL. Who’s lowest? Francisco Cervelli at 14.5%.


  55. VO says:

    I’ll take it Swish

  56. Pat D says:

    Is it pronounced Ma-zar-o or Ma-zair-o? I seem to be hearing it both ways.

  57. Kit says:

    Triple for JoPo! Nice!

  58. VO says:

    Posada showing some speed.

  59. Cy Pettitte says:

    Posada triple? holy shit, he got lucky but still….

  60. Ross in Jersey says:

    A….. triple… for Posada? Time to go play the fucking lottery

  61. MikeD says:

    Man, was that DP costly.

  62. BadaBling says:

    Posada with a triple, holy fuck.

  63. Chris says:

    Posada is now only a single, double and HR short of the cycle!

  64. Mike Axisa says:

    A Jorge Posada triple? Guaranteed win, put the subs in.

  65. aRX says:

    A Posada triple? Here comes the 3rd horseman…

  66. Greg says:

    Well that all makes up for the Cano DP

  67. bexarama says:

    Ahahahahahah @ Jorge’s triple
    Ahahahhahahahahahhahah @ the bench’s reaction

  68. larryf says:

    Posada challenges Jesus to a match race!

  69. ShuutoHeat (Passion>all) says:

    Damn, not being able to watch this REALLY sucks. I miss a double steal and now a Sado triple…

  70. Dela G says:

    great first inning for the yanks offense

  71. sleepykarl says:

    I’m calling the Posada cycle.

  72. Ross in Jersey says:

    Wow, Flash was straight up Sado-hatin. He got a triple, let him enjoy it!

  73. ZZ says:

    btw, I’ll respond to the people who responded to my Joba post after the game. Unless those people don’t want responses which is cool to.

  74. Ross in Jersey says:

    @text poll

    Has to be the 1998 grand slam. I’ve never heard the stadium that loud, ever.

  75. ShuutoHeat (Passion>all) says:

    Jays score first in the Ray Jay game…

  76. Chris says:

    It really hurts the pitch count when pitches in the zone are called balls.

  77. Cy Pettitte says:

    Fightin’ Showalters just put a run on sox ace Beckett

  78. China Joe says:

    That was Jorge’s 10th career triple. Now that he’s cracked double-digits, I think he can stamp his ticket to Cooperstown, baby!

  79. Pat D says:

    Love that play.

  80. Mike Axisa says:

    Mark Ellis is having one of those beat the shit out of the watercooler games.

  81. cjc says:

    STRIKES please

  82. Pat D says:

    Now does that hurt Teix’s UZR?

    /half kidding’d

  83. Slappy White says:

    Suzyn, Im telling you, he makes a great play every game

  84. Tampa Yankee says:

    Granderson saw 1 strike that entire AB

  85. bexarama says:

    Give some of these calls to Hughes too, please?

  86. Slappy White says:

    hate to ask, but is anyone else having trouble with refresh ?

  87. Pat D says:

    Ken Singleton just said “Look out!”

  88. Mike HC says:

    Major League hitter seem to be right on Hughes curveball, always. Maybe they pick it up early, or I don’t know, but they always seem to be right on it.

  89. A.D. says:

    Certainly doesn’t seem like Hughes’s curve gets swung on and missed alot.

  90. Mike HC says:

    Hughes can’t get the call on that?

  91. Kit says:

    C’mon, Phillip. Two more outs, babe.

  92. Ross in Jersey says:

    I never understood the idea that light-hitting clubs need to steal and bunt to “manufacture runs”.

    If your team doesn’t hit, doesn’t that make outs all the more precious? You shouldn’t give any away!

    In other news, St. Phillip of Hughes doesn’t seem to have command of his pitches again :(

    • Pat D says:

      The A’s lack the capital and factory to properly manufacture runs.

    • The only thing I can say to try and justify it is that if your team isn’t good at anything but making outs, you should try to make them “productive outs”.

      I agree, though, your team shouldn’t intentionally make outs whether it’s full of good hitters or not.

    • aRX says:

      I guess the logic is, if your team can’t hit a lick and is likely to make too many outs anyway, use some of them to move runners over and score a cheap run or two on a groundout/sac fly, rather than strand them. I can’t imagine a team hitting so poorly that it would be worth giving up so many outs though.

  93. Pat D says:

    Throw strikes! Attack hitters! You’ve got a three run lead! Throw the changeup!

    Did I miss anything?

  94. MikeD says:

    Hmmm, 3-0 lead, only seven outs recorded, just one hit, yet 52 pitches. Not good. DP please.

  95. A.D. says:

    this is painful

  96. Mike Axisa says:

    Hughes looks gassed, unsurprisingly. Might be time to skip him a start or too.

  97. Mariano's Pimp Hand says:

    Boston’s “run prevention” strategy is working great tonight.

  98. bexarama says:

    Oy, Hughesy. C’mon.

  99. Cy Pettitte says:

    is it just me or is the strike zone shrinking for Phil?

  100. MikeD says:

    Ahh, yes. I remember the days where I could just walk up to Yankee Stadium and buy tickets on game day.

  101. cjc says:

    panful really painful

  102. Pat D says:

    Mike Harkey’s mustache was awesome.

  103. Ivan says:

    One more out.

  104. Ross in Jersey says:

    Hughes is not sharp but god damn does this ump suck:;s_type=7

  105. larryf says:

    Jeets leads off. Yay! no gidp

  106. larryf says:


  107. Slappy White says:

    Swing up Derek.

  108. Pat D says:

    This ump really, truly sucks.

  109. Kit says:

    Yeah, Texy.

  110. Pat D says:

    Man, really hoping the Orioles lose all this newfound grit before they come to the stadium next week.

    Interesting note: If they win today, they’ll have won as many games under Showalter as they did under Samuel and more than they did under Trembley.

  111. Kit says:

    SWISH!! Beautiful. Just beautiful.

  112. Ross in Jersey says:


  113. Cy Pettitte says:

    Swisher against his past teams is unstoppable

  114. pat says:

    Ooh, they’re not gonna like that in Oakland.

  115. Mike HC says:

    That was fucking blasted

  116. BadaBling says:

    Swisher with the SWEET swing, everytime he comes around this city, bang, bang!

  117. China Joe says:

    Billy Beane was probably like “Why were you swinging 3-0, Nick? Think of your OBP!”

  118. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:


    (last time)

  119. larryf says:

    Swish sucking on his thumb…pacifier

  120. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

    Suzyn just said that she would totally bang Swisher…well she didn’t say it but you know she was thinking it.

  121. Slappy White says:

    Im shocked the Red Sox traded hometown boy Manny Delcarmen. Im gonna miss Kay telling me that EVERY time he pitched against us

  122. Klemy says:

    Swish just loves sticking it to the old teams.

  123. Joe West's Music Career says:

    I’m listening on the radio. Did Swish even bother to use his bat that time, or did he feel it was unnecessary?

  124. Pat D says:

    Nick Swisher don’t like teams that trade him.

    Note to Yankees: let him walk via free agency.

  125. bexarama says:

    That’s a good trivia question. No idea, but I’ll guess Boston and Cleveland.

  126. larryf says:

    The jocks mocking Kay. Love it.

    /well rounded’d

  127. MikeD says:

    Swisher’s OBP is basically right where we’d expect it in a normal Swish season (around .370, same as last year), yet he’s BA is about 50 pts. higher. It’s not too hard to figure out one aspect of his game that Long changed along with his swing. That AB was a perfect example. Never would have swung in the past.

  128. larryf says:

    Rays tie it 1-1 as ball goes through the wickets of Aaron Hill. Sucks.

  129. BadaBling says:

    I wonder if Giardi will have the quick hook tonight. Hughes looking tired early…

  130. larryf says:

    Jorge pulling a frankie back there.

  131. Pat D says:

    Damn Blue Jays.

    And I didn’t start Niemann in fantasy tonight because I figured they’d take him deep.

  132. Kit says:

    Eesh. I really don’t like seeing Chad Gaudin. One more, Phil.

  133. MikeD says:

    If the answer is Chad Gaudin, revisit your question.

  134. Pat D says:

    Sigh. Maybe Phil needs a skip. Someone mentioned that, right?

  135. Jake H says:

    Phil’s command has been terrible the last 2 starts.

  136. Wouldn’t location be a better indication of Hughes’ tiredness than his velocity, Tino?

  137. Pat D says:

    Now Hughes is getting pissed at the umpire.

    And, really, an ump won’t give borderline pitches just because he has walked a bunch already? That’s McCarver-esque.

  138. Jake H says:

    Phil looks pissed.

  139. Newbie says:

    I just got in. I know he has given up a bunch a runners and 2 runs, but how has Hughes looked thus far? Has it been an unlucky 2 runs or has he just not been making pitches?

  140. BadaBling says:

    This ump sucks balls.

  141. iYankee(next generation from Apple) says:

    Don’t know if Lilly is the answer but Yanks sure as shit need some pitching. I wouldn’t trust Hughes, Burnett, or Moseley (not that he would be pitching) in any game in the playoffs.

  142. larryf says:

    3-2 Rays!

  143. MikeD says:

    I swear, if everyone got together who hates this don’t smoke ad, we can bring a lawsuit.

  144. Slappy White says:

    That green pixel is Smokin Hot

  145. Hey ZZ: Make sure to mention Phil Hughes hitting a wall at the end of August as he pitches innings he’s never pitched before in your comments back to us vis-a-vis the Great Joba Chamberlain the Starter Debate™.


    Your pal,

  146. China Joe says:

    For the second year in a row we’ve seen a young starter struggle as he passes his career high in innings. Is anyone else scared the Yankees might banish Hughes to the bullpen in 2011 like they did Joba?

    I’m pretty sure they won’t…but it will haunt my nightmares.

    • I hope not as well. Young starters need to keep being young starters even after they hit a wall or have a hiccup or a setback. Even if their mechanics are all out of whack and they look like shells of their former selves.

      I’d hoped we’d learned that last year with Joba, but maybe the same thing happening this year with Hughes will drive the point home.

    • Ross in Jersey says:

      No way. He’s in the rotation next year no matter how badly he pitches going forward.

    • iYankee(next generation from Apple) says:

      Not really. Phil has actually pitched better than last year unlike Joba who, as a starter, did not.

      Phil just needs more innings and to understand how to get a batter out without stretching an AB an extra 5-6 pitches.

      I would be interested in seeing what percentage of his pitches per game come after a 2 strike count. Has to be 60%, at least.

      • China Joe says:

        You should check Joba’s numbers as a starter last year before he reached his innings threshhold…pretty damn respectable. Better than half the guys they’ve thrown out there this season

  147. BadaBling says:

    Thames will get em next time!

  148. Pat D says:

    My dad just told Jose Bautista to, “Hit one out now, ya scurvy fuck!”

    Then he gets nailed on the hip and looked like he wanted blood.

  149. Ross in Jersey says:

    Ohhhho, Curtis, you’re something sort of Grandish!

  150. Cy Pettitte says:

    the Grandyman? finally gets one out after all the bad luck

  151. Cy Pettitte says:

    Tor up 4-3 now, nice

  152. ShuutoHeat (Passion>all) says:

    Jays up 5-3 with a man on 2b and no outs.

  153. Slappy White says:

    Jesus getting a call up ?

  154. BadaBling says:

    Let’s go Canada, eh?

  155. A Boof Bonser sighting!

  156. Jake H says:

    I remember when Derek was really good.

  157. Pat D says:

    Boof Bonser? How many teams has he been with this year?

    Also, last night they whined about the wild card, now they’re going to whine about other teams being able to call up more guys than others on September 1?

  158. Kit says:

    TEX!! Damn, you guys are mean, today.

  159. mike c says:

    absolutely crushed

  160. Ross in Jersey says:

    Mark Teixiera: good at baseball.

    Thanks for comin, kid.

  161. Cy Pettitte says:

    Tex message! crushed that one

  162. Why has Rajai Davis bothered to turn around on any of the three HRs to RF tonight? He had absolutely no shot at any of them. Just watch it go, buddy.

  163. iYankee(next generation from Apple) says:

    Is it me or has Tex caught fire since “little Tex” was born?

    • bexarama says:

      I actually remember he was in a bit of a slump when he first came back during the Royals series. Since then, though, en fuego.

      • Kit says:

        Where did “en fuego” come from. Because that seems like the worst Spanish ever.

        • bexarama says:

          I have no idea. Obviously it jokingly means “on fire.”

          • Kit says:

            Nah, I got that it was a joke (my comment there may have come off as bitchy, but that wasn’t my intention, sorry). I was just curious as to where it came from since it was in that recent Hanley article, and seeing as how Hanley speaks (or should speak) Spanish, I was wondering if it was his doing.

        • Pat D says:

          I believe it was popularized by Dan Patrick on SportsCenter.

          • Kit says:

            Dan Patrick needs some Spanish lessons. The proper term is “encendido”.

            • Pat D says:

              It’s that normal American way of speaking Spanish, where you learn the direct word translation, but don’t bother to learn the grammar.

              At least that’s my theory.

        • iYankee(next generation from Apple) says:

          three drunk irishmen who were trying to impress three spanish women after their attempt to run with the bulls.

  164. Total Dominication says:

    Mark Teixera has returned from his August on fire hot mode to his July ridiculously supernova hot mode.

  165. larryf says:

    Tex puts the UTZ into that one!

  166. Total Dominication says:

    I just got in this inning. Has Hughes been as wild as his 5 walks suggest?

  167. Cy Pettitte says:

    8-3 Jays on an Aaron Hill HR

  168. BadaBling says:

    Dagger, thank you Tex! Let Hughes go one more inning for the chance at a W!

  169. ShuutoHeat (Passion>all) says:

    Remember when people were crying for Teix’s blood during the starting few months of the season? Good times…

  170. larryf says:

    Yo Vinny-back to Jersey buddy!

  171. MikeD says:

    If Mark ever figures out April, he might hit 50 one year.

  172. sangreal says:

    Vin Mazzaro has not forgotten the pitch that ended up ruining his homecoming outing inside Yankee Stadium last summer. Somewhere, some lucky fan is walking around with the 3-0 fastball Mazzaro grooved right down the middle of the plate for Mark Teixeira, who drove it into the second deck in right field during a four-run fourth inning that led to his downfall in a 6-3 loss.

    The Rutherford native and former All-State right-hander will be back in the Stadium tonight starting for the Oakland A’s against the Yankees and their prized young right-hander, Phil Hughes.

    “I won’t be doing that again,” Mazzaro joked, referring to the gift Teixeira blasted for a mammoth two-run home run. “I’m still going to have the same emotions as last year. It’s pitching in New York, as close to home for me as it gets.

  173. larryf says:

    Toronto 8-3!

  174. j_Yankees says:

    Look at the back of the baseball card.

    /Mark Teixeira’d

  175. Man, Mitch Williams is gonna be so despondent tonight.

  176. MikeD says:

    Why is it that the MLB Network guys (and ESPN) keep saying the Yankees “can’t shake” the Rays. The Rays are touted as this great, young athletic team that once led the Yankees by five games and we’re the early “team to beat.” Isn’t this a case of the Rays not being able to shake the Yankees?

    • bexarama says:

      I’m guessing it’s because of that perspective you said – that the Yankees are the “team to beat.” It’s actually complimentary toward the Yankees, IMO.

      • MikeD says:

        I did’t mean to say that.:-) Misuse of the words “we’re” and “were” can change the meacing quite a bit! It should have read: “…and were the team to beat,” referring to the Rays. Once the season started, all the pundits seem to pick them as the team to beat.

        In the end, I know the answer. The Yankees are the Yankees, and they are the team everyone wants to beat. Yet it’s not consistent with what the MLB Network locker room guys/announcers were saying earlier.

    • Kit says:

      I think it’s because once they lost the lead, they never actually managed to regain it. They haven’t been ahead of us in the standings since they lost the lead. We’ve tied, they’ve been behind, and that’s it, if I’m remembering correctly.

  177. ShuutoHeat (Passion>all) says:

    11-3 eh?!

    • larryf says:

      C-eh N-eh D-eh=Canada

      • ShuutoHeat (Passion>all) says:

        I dig that eh, let’s go to the forest and have a glass of refreshing maple syrup eh. Maybe we can observe some Moose eh?

        /horribly misinformed of our Northern neighbors

        • Eirias says:

          You loon.

        • Pat D says:

          The Canadian restaurant at Epcot in Disney World is pretty good.

          Great steaks, and they have this awesome Canadian Cheddar Cheese soup that is made with Moosehead Pale Ale. Pretty good stuff.

          • ShuutoHeat (Passion>all) says:

            I’ve only been to Disney World once, I was 8 and I decided that the place wasn’t for me. That soup on the other hand sounds really good, let me do some research and see if I can replicate it.

            Speaking of Canadian restaurant, I would love to eat at Au Pied De Cochon in Montreal plus do an intensive food tour of Vancouver.

  178. BadaBling says:

    Let Hughes get the win, don’t Moseley him out! Hughes at 30-40% is better than Gaudin at 100%!

  179. bexarama says:

    Heh, whoever was complaining about not starting Niemann… looks like you were smart after all ;)

    • Pat D says:

      That was me. And now I’m happy.

      My dad is now happy and sad that “the scurvy fuck” Bautista hit a home run, but that we were watching the Yankees and so he didn’t see it.

  180. Slappy White says:

    I voted for his performance on tonights Segment 2

  181. Slappy White says:

    Id like to see if that Kelli is truly an escapist

  182. Mike Axisa says:

    Heh, the guy who caught Tex’s homer was Rob from Walk-Off Walk‘s dad. Awesome.

  183. Dela G says:

    my god, jeff neimann is destroying my fantasy team ERA

    holy shit

  184. Pat D says:

    Braves scored 7 in the 5th against the Mets. Things like that always make me smile.

  185. homepage says that Bautista is the first player to 100 RBIs this season. Can I have the media guy’s job, please?


  186. Pat D says:

    Marcus needs to join the party.

    Also, I hope we’re saving some runs for Toronto.

  187. Slappy White says:

    Im starting to sense a 9 out of 10 homestand

  188. Total Dominication says:

    That headline, wow.

  189. Slappy White says:

    You score that a 5-5-4 force out

  190. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

    Mitre always looks like and sounds like he’s high.

  191. BadaBling says:

    I wonder how many long homeruns Gaudin allows here, 10 in 50 innings is brutal.

  192. Kit says:

    What the hell? Why does Javy have his fingers in his ear? You don’t want Mitre to talk to you?

  193. Slappy White says:

    Did Kay just say “there are two of the longer guys out there” ?

  194. Still don’t know why this guy has to hold a bat.

  195. Pat D says:

    Boston threatening…

  196. BadaBling says:

    I love seeing 9 runs on 7 hits, it makes me happy!

  197. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

    The bat guy looks like a young James Woods.

  198. charliechoochoo says:

    Stanley Kowalski got the bat?

  199. Pat D says:

    Uh oh. They didn’t mention the 600 lb gorilla in the NL Triple Crown chase.

  200. charliechoochoo says:

    Maybe DJ needs to get unengaged. His mojo is being single and fancy free.

  201. Slappy White says:

    Is Jeter using a fucking fungo bat ?
    Also, how many times is Kay gonna ask Tino that same fucking question ?

  202. BadaBling says:

    Jeter’s OBP just dipped below .333, amazing. When isn’t a slump, a slump anymore, when is it more?

    • Jose the Satirist says:

      Please no 4-year $80M contract.

    • Reggie C. says:

      There’s not much season left so DJ’s final stat sheet isn’t going to look good at all. Lets just hope he’s in a better groove come playoff time. I know there’s a 20 game hot streak left in that bat, and we’d all be smoking cigars if that streak happened to take place in October. DJ will just have to do it against really good pitching.

  203. Remember when Swisher switched bat weight to slow his swing down because he was in front of everything? Perhaps Jeter should switch to a lighter bat to quicken things up a bit.

  204. bexarama says:

    Cliff Lee may be at least temporarily broken, Yuniesky Betancourt took him deep

    • Kit says:

      I just made a face when I saw that. He’s broken and I’m sad. Get it together Cliff (unless we have to face the Rangers during the Play offs). I want you on this team next year.

    • BadaBling says:

      The Yuni-Bomber? Ughh, keep pitching like shit Cliff, drive that price and guaranteed years down…excellent!

    • Pat D says:

      According to Colin Cowherd, he’s tanking it because he doesn’t like Texas.

      • Kit says:

        He’s mailing it in, because just look at how well he pitched in Seattle and Philadelphia and in New York despite never playing here!


        • Kit says:

          Fail. *Despite never playing for the Yankees.

          • Pat D says:

            Well, Cowherd said he wanted to be a Yankee, and was very upset that the trade didn’t go through, and that he’s already getting ready to sign with the Yankees in the offseason, and that he only shows up in important games.

            • Kit says:

              Yeah, I got that, but that was a stupid thing to say either way. I doubt Lee is intentionally doing badly on any team. He’s trying to get paid next year, and on top of that, the Rangers are almost guaranteed a play off spot judging by the strength of the teams in their division unless they experience a massive collapse. I just thought that was really ridiculous. Accusing a player of “mailing it in” is just inappropriate unless that player is Manny Ramirez.

  205. Reggie C. says:

    Bautista’s now at 43 for the season. I’ve heard of outlier years, but this is an insane display of “locked-in” syndrome.

  206. This tweet, from MLB…


    Jose Bautista’s 43rd HR makes him 1st to 100 RBIs this season – part of 10-run 6th for #bluejays at #rays


  207. Can we redefine Triple Crown to winning AVG/OBP/SLG?

    • Jose the Satirist says:

      Can we redefine Triple Crown to winning Kentucky Derby/Preakness/Belmont Stakes?

    • Chris says:

      I kind of like that the three stats aren’t directly tied to each other. For pitchers (K, W, ERA), more K’s generally leads to a lower ERA and more wins. For hitters there’s really no connection between BA and HR or RBI (HR and RBI are more closely linked, but still disconnected). RBI aren’t a very good stat, but if someone wins the triple crown, then they certainly had a great season.

  208. Cy Pettitte says:

    knew that was coming…

  209. Slappy White says:

    ARod doesnt need a fucking rehab assignment. Shut the fuck up Flash

  210. iYankee(next generation from Apple) says:

    really booing? Hope that was for the delay in throwing the ball back not for Gaudin.

  211. BadaBling says:

    11 homeruns given up in 53 or 54 innings, great job Gaudin. Mitre > Gaudin

  212. Ross in Jersey says:

    Bautista: still bat-flipping

  213. Ross in Jersey says:

    Beckett held the Orioles to 3 runs in 7 strong innings today, I have it on good authority that this makes them a virtual lock for the playoffs.

  214. Pat D says:

    Wow, Jorge was tagged out.

  215. Kit says:

    Ooh…he was kind of out, first base ump. Thanks though.

  216. Cy Pettitte says:

    Posada always makes me scratch my head once or twice a game, like how Tex makes a great play each game

  217. Pat D says:

    Now Flash says Eddings has done a good job. Sigh.

  218. bexarama says:

    that’s nice, Tino

  219. Any non-Northeast/Maryland areaish posters, is lacrosse all that big around your area?

    • NYY-SWISH says:

      Yes. I played with kids from TX, CA, FL, OK, Pennsylvania, NC, and Georgia in college. It’s big, getting bigger every day.

      • Pat D says:

        I just remember a George Carlin routine where he talked about baseball, football and basketball being the only “real” sports.

        His description of lacrosse: a faggot college activity.

      • Cool, thanks. I wasn’t sure if it was still just essentially a regional thing. I always thought the sport itself was really cool, but the guys who played it at my high school were TOTAL douches.

    • Dela G says:

      i went to school in texas. Lacrosse is not big here at all, but i do know quite a few that play it. It’s definitely seen as an”expensive” sport here because of the high costs due to travel (lack of teams in certain cities creates high travel costs)

      i live in houston and know that one school in the 13 HS school district that plays lacrosse

  220. BadaBling says:

    Has Gaudin induced a single ground ball out? I know he’s had some nice looking Ks but seems like a ton of fly balls.

  221. Oh good Mo. How fucking long is Kay going to be on this “Bing” kick?

    • BadaBling says:

      After yesterdays game, I tuned into the A’s broadcast for tonights game. I couldn’t stand another game listening to Kay talk about his wedding and all the man love he shows Tino. Speaking of Tino, he sounds like he’s calling a golf tourny, the YES broadcasters have been extra annoying lately. With all that said I’d much rather hear them than Hawk Harrelson.

  222. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

    Luke Scott with some insurance. 4-2 Oreos.

  223. Pat D says:

    Oh, shucks, the Bautista story is gone from MLBN.

  224. Ross in Jersey says:

    lol, poor Ramiro. That’s about as far as he can hit it.

  225. Cy Pettitte says:

    Pena sooooooooo close

  226. Dela G says:

    damn, ramiro almost had that one!

  227. Pat D says:

    That would have been…interesting.

  228. Ross in Jersey says:

    Lance Berkman: new favorite player of everyone on the Trenton Thunder.

    @mashmore98: Just spoke to Lance Berkman. He said the ankle is fine. He also bought the Thunder players a very, very nice spread from Outback.

    • Ross in Jersey says:

      You know, if Kay is going to basically take someone’s status verbatim, he should try to give credit.

    • Kit says:

      After that Mendoza line joke and this, I officially love Lance Berkman. Such a nice guy.

    • bexarama says:

      The best thing, by far, about Outback Steakhouse, are the sauces.

      …that sounds kinda dirty doesn’t it.

      • Kit says:

        We’ll let TSJC decide. *waits*

      • Pat D says:

        I’ve only ever been to Outback once and I didn’t think it was that great.

        Call me weird, but I prefer Lone Star Steakhouse. There’s a relatively newer place around where I live called Texas Roadhouse which isn’t bad either, but it’s always way too crowded.

        • bexarama says:

          I’ve never been to Lone Star Steakhouse, but Outback is pretty meh. The food is meh… but the sauces are really flavorful and stuff. That’s why I said it.

          • V says:

            No comment ;-). Ok, comment, rofl.

            Go big or go home, IMO. If I’m eating out, it’s generally $100+ per person, unless I do something like pizza or the like.

  229. bexarama says:

    The “Bautista leads MLB in RBI” or whatever story was not as good as this one on the Cards website for about five minutes last night:

  230. Zooboy says:

    Atta boy Elvis!

  231. Hm. This is very un-Girardi like, not letting Derek try and hit his way out of his slump. Unless he aggravates his injuries when he swings. In which case, why not give him two days off?

  232. Zooboy says:

    Felix Pie with a homer in B’more.

  233. Dela G says:

    cliff lee is getting pounded again

    the money the yanks save to sign him can go to that bloated jeter contract they will give him

  234. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

    9-3? Pathetic. No passion tonight.

  235. Kit says:

    Another win. Well done, guys. Keep the ball rolling tomorrow.

  236. Cy Pettitte says:

    AJ please give us a decent start tomorrow so we have a shot at the 4 game sweep

  237. bexarama says:

    Schmexcellent, Yankees.

  238. MikeD says:

    Let’s hope we pound Braden on Thursday. I was wondering why there wasn’t a bit more buzz about it, but realized no A-Rod.

  239. A-Rod's Hip says:

    Aroldys Chapman debuts

  240. Ross in Jersey says:

    Red Sox now 8 back with 30 to play. Delicious.

  241. A-Rod's Hip says:

    102 mph on his 3rd pitch

  242. MikeD says:

    I want Bob Lorenz’s job. He can sit in an air-conditioned studio in Stamford, CT, almost never having to travel on the road.

  243. Carlosologist says:

    This is the first game I’ve missed all season. I missed an epic drubbing. ;_;

    Also, we’re a game up in the East bitches!

  244. A-Rod's Hip says:

    Josh Hamilton just cannot be contained in this sport

  245. A-Rod's Hip says:

    Reds on the verge of goin’ up 7 games on the Cards.. wow

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