Open Thread: Rest and relax


It's baseball. Smile. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

The Yankees are off tonight, so I hope that you’re taking advantage of this opportunity to rest and escape from the stress of baseball for a day. I know I am. This season won’t get any easier, but remember, this is supposed to be fun. You can’t treat every game as life and death, otherwise you’ll die a lot of times.

Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. The Mets are playing the Marlins, and MLB Network will bring you tonight’s Cliff Lee-Francisco Liriano matchup at 8pm ET. That should be fun. The Colts and Packers are also on ESPN in preseason NFL action. Talk about whatever, just be cool.

Oh, if you have any mailbag questions, send them in via the Submit A Tip box in the sidebar.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Is Cliff Lee’s nickname of “Future Yankee” official yet?

    • Esteban says:

      Cliff Lee was not thrilled by what Colin Cowherd said.

      • Who, aside from Colin Cowherd, has ever been thrilled by anything Colin Cowherd has said?

      • Pete says:

        A. Who is Colin Cowherd?
        B. What did he say?

        • “Fact: He loved pitching in Philadelphia and was awesome,” Cowherd said. “He has always pitched well in New York and has said he likes it. “He’s elite, fact. He has also, fact, never pitched well in Texas. Fact, he’s not there pitching well again in Texas. Fact. He’s in a contract year. When the deal came down that he was going to the Yankees, he was completely excited, according to three different scources at this network. Fact, against the Yankees this year, who he could end up pitching for, he’s been excellent. Fact, he’s been horrible against Baltimore, the worst team in the sport. Now you tell me, coincidence?”

          • JobaWockeeZ says:


            Speaking of stupid let’s talk about Francesa’s master pan on bringing the Mets back to contention. Check this out, their biggest need isn’t another hitter or someone to shore up their rotation.

            Their biggest need…is a voice. A team leader.

  2. Kevin G. says:

    The Mets are playing the Marlins, and MLB Network will bring you tonight’s Cliff Lee-Francisco Liriano matchup at 8pm ET. That should be fun. The Colts and Packers are also on ESPN in preseason NFL action.

    I am appalled that you forgot to mention that there’s a new episode of Jersey Shore on tonight.

  3. Carlosologist says:

    Bryce Harper has a mohawk. Then again so does every ballplayer.

  4. Awesome picture. I wrote about it on TYU but I’ll say it again: it was really great to see the Yankees work closely with kids with disabilities. As always, big ups to HOPE Week and the Yankees.

  5. Rebecca from phone says:

    I’m at the Staten island game. Maquinito (sanchez) homered on the first pitch he saw.

  6. Kevin in Delectable Princeton says:

    KLaw chat

    “John (NYC): The Killer B’s. Brackman, Banuelos, Bentances. Who cracks the top 100?

    Klaw: All three.”

    I think I need to change my pants.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Same here. Wow. Who asked that question anyways? Props for promoting Killer B’s.

      Yeah suck on that Boston. Killer B’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Casey Kelly.

    • T-Dubs says:

      I just asked him via Twitter if Montero, Romine, Heathcott, Sanchez, and all 3 B’s would be top 100. His response: “No, probably 5 of those.”

      • Dirty Pena says:

        I think he’d leave out Romine and Heathcott.

        • T-Dubs says:

          That was my exact follow up, especially since he recently commented that JR Murphy might be viewed higher than Romine but he hasn’t responded yet.

        • I can see him leaving of Heathcott ’cause of the K’s and lack of power.

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          Sanchez over Romine?

        • Captain Jack says:

          I dunno…Romine he was pretty high on earlier, around July he was saying that they don’t need to find a long term solution to Frankie’s shittiness and Posada’s injuries since Romine should be ready in 2012. I find it hard to believe that a bad August at age 21 in his first full season catching changes that. I’d keep Romine in my top 100. I mean, he kept Lars Anderson there last year, at least Romine’s been good considering his position and age for the level. I’d have Montero pretty high on the top 100…dunno where Banuelos and Betances would be, Romine probably 40-60 and Sanchez and Brackman towards the end. Mainly due to Sanchez’s age and Brackman’s injury history and age considering the level.

  7. Mike Axisa says:

    So anyone in or around NYC looking for a roommate, or know of someone (preferably not crazy) who is?

  8. Sheepmeister says:

    Montero IBB’ed, FEARED!! First ballot HOF


  9. Sal says:

    Hello folks,first time long time. Re: the Francesa comment. Mike has mentioned the Mets need a leader in the clubhouse, in fact he suggested the franchise back up the truck after the 08 debacle. He was an advocate of dissolving the core, he didn’t think any of the “core” guys had leadership skills and that particular group couldn’t win it all. A large percentage of fans were less than enamored. IMO he’s been very consistent with his concepts of “how to fix the Mets” whether he’s right or not is another story.

  10. T-Dubs says:

    Sorry if it’s been covered but KLaw says Cano is both the MVP and the best defensive player in the league.

  11. Dirty Pena says:

    When does Noesi start for Scranton?

    • larryf says:

      I hope next Friday night against Pawwwtucket. I’ll be there for fireworks night and on to the Yanks/Toronto at the Stadium next day.

  12. Jason Kubel: The Chubby Leonardo DiCaprio.

  13. Delmon Young is not impressed with Cliff Lee.

  14. Brad Toughy says:

    Is Ivan Nova more valuable to the Yankees moving forward (i.e. past this season) as a cheap rotation option or as trade bait?

  15. Fred Lemond says:

    our old homie Ian Kennedy 12 ks 1 hit 7 innings.

  16. Carlosologist says:

    Cliff Lee is getting smacked around by the Twins.

  17. Esteban says:

    Ughh, ESPN’f front page is touting GB-IND preseason game as a potential Super Bowl preview. That somehow manages to be more annoying than that stupid playoff preview nonsense we hear every time the Yankees play a good team.

  18. I spent my off-day pitching a perfect game in MLB ’07 The Show with my career player. Boom.

    • Nice.

      I once did that in MLB ’05. With Carl Pavano. In the World Series.

    • Carlosologist says:

      The greatest thing I’ve done in my copy of The Show is strike out the first nine batters I faced in my first start for the Yankees. It was against Baltimore and it was my first start since I was traded from Milwaukee (I was traded for Jake Westbrook). Speaking of the Show, I’ve taken a weird path through the Majors in that game:

      My teams in MLB 10 The Show:
      Colorado – 1 season
      San Francisco – 2 seasons
      Tampa Bay – 3 seasons
      Milwaukee – 1 season
      New York – 1 season
      Toronto – 2 seasons

      • I’m in the 2012 season of a Franchise w/the Yankees. My lineup:

        1. Nick Johnson, DH
        2. Nick Swisher, RF
        3. Tex, 1B
        4. Rodriguez, 3B (approaching 3K hits)
        5. Cano, 2B
        6. Doumit, C (Jorge retired after ’11)
        7. Granderson, CF
        8. Jeter, SS
        9. Willingham, LF

        1. CC
        2. Hughes
        3. Chamberlain
        4. Guy I traded A.J. for
        5. Generic MLB 10 player w/Joba’s delivery and arsenal

        The long men in my ‘pen are Bondo and Kaz. Set up guys are D-Rob and Broxton (claimed off of waivers in mid ’11) w/Mo still closing.

      • Carlosologist says:

        And now, my defense allowed a triple on a botched popup (currently playing as a closer for the White Sox). -__-

        • Your defense in the show does one of two things on a game-to-game-basis: it either makes the most spectacular plays in the history of baseball or plays like it’s made up of nine Adam Dunns.

      • Carlosologist says:

        As an added note, my pitcher (LHP for Toronto) has these career marks:

        2.48 ERA
        1764.2 IP
        217 BB (!!!)
        1808 K (!)
        1.013 WHIP
        9.2 K/9
        1.1 BB/9
        8.3 K:BB

        I have 4 Cy Young Awards, 2 WS rings (1 with Tampa and 1 with Toronto), and 4 Triple Crowns (24 wins in 2016). And I’ve done all this as a 27 year old.

    • JM says:

      in MLB 10 the show i just made a SP and got drafted by the Yankees. They won’t call me up to AAA even though my ERA is 0.14 and my K/9 is like 11

    • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag says:

      I play an old baseball game (MLB 2004) because I’m too much of a lazy ass to learn how to play te show (played one game, lost 22 to 0).

      I’ve played two awesome series in those games. The rosters of the teams are the rosters from 2003, just to clarify. I like just going through the playoffs with teams.

      So once, I go through the playoffs with the Rays. I fall behind 2 games to 0 in the first 5 game series with the Angels, win game three behind the strength of three runs in the tenth against Troy Percival, and take the series.

      I play the next seven game series vs. the Yanks. I win game 1 in extras (I’m the home team) despite blowing a run ninth inning lead.

      I fall behind three games to one. I come back from 2 runs down in the 8th during game 5 at Yankee Stadium and hold a 2 run lead in the ninth. I give up one run with two outs, but throw out Nick Johnson at third base (for some dumb reason down by one run in the ninth he went for a triple and was thrown out. Imagine if that really happened).

      I win game 6 thanks to a big 6th inning, tie game Grand Slam, and then win game 7 by coming back in the ninth inning against Mariano (Brent Abernathie HR) and win on a walkoff suicide squeeze.

      I lose game one of the WS but end up winning in 6 games. In game 6, on the road, I come back from a 6-0 defecit to win 7-6.

      Best. Playoff run. Ever.

      Oh, and my pitching staff had a 6.75 ERA.

      • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag says:

        In my other awesome series I played as the also sucky Brewers and came back from a 3 games to none defecit against the Red Sox in the WS. I won gamee 7 1-0 after en Sheets outdueled Pedro Martinez.

        The winning run was sccored in this game on a suicide squeeze.

        And during the series some dude named Hammonds hit for the cycle.

  19. T-Dubs says:

    Chad Jennings gave Mike’s “stop freaking out” article a nice little plug over at LoHud.

    Sooo much better than Pete Abe, in my opinion.

  20. bonestock94 says:

    Quick survey, probably obvious to most but not me. Would you rather have A. Cliff Lee in 2010 and cruise to a WS Championship, or B. Jesus Montero career Yankee with top tier offensive tools faking it as a catcher.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:


    • A pitcher of Cliff Lee’s talent is the rarest of commodities. While a top hitting 1B/C/DH is relatively rare as well, you have to consider that you have Posada signed for next season(+) and Romine in the works to take his place. Until Posada stops hitting, it’s an easy call.

      Which is the better team? The one with Posada/Cervelli catching and Clifff Lee as your #2 starter or the one with Posada/Montero catching and AJ Burnett as your #2?

      Not even close. Option #2 is frighteningly bad defensively and horrendously inconsistent. Option #1 wins a ton of games and is built for October. Didn’t people learn anything from 2004-06?

      • bonestock94 says:

        I guess I should have said we get Lee as a FA in option 2 as well. What I was getting at is would you trade away Montero for 1 ring and 3 months of Lee if it he totally lives up to the hype and is a career Yankee. Let’s say Romine supplants him as a catcher and Montero exclusively becomes a 1B/DH? Does the answer change?

        • The Lee deal was all about 2010. Of course they can just sign him as a FA, so when Cash included him in the deal (which he did) he told the world that Lee was worth 6 years of controlling Montero to him. It’s the ultimate win curve move, where one deal makes you almost unbeatable and stacks the deck heavily in favor of winning a WS.

          Another thing, we really should stop referring to Montero as a ‘Catcher’ until he proves he can play there. BA killed his defense in their most recent report, and just because you stick someone there doesn’t mean they can play the position. Until he proves otherwise, he’s a 1B/DH and therefore not a fit going forward.

          • bonestock94 says:

            Just hypothetical questions on my end. But yea it certainly seems like the catcher thing won’t stick, unfortunately.

          • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag says:

            Some flaws here:

            1. We’re going to have an excellent chance of winning in 2011 too. I think we can be reasonably certain of this. And we can get Lee in 2011.

            2. I don’t think one player, however good they are, makes as big a difference as you’re saying.

            3. Preparing for the future, where we’ll also have a chance to win the WS, and getting (keeping, whatever) Montero AND Lee > than increasing our chances (which are already high) of winning the WS this year and weakening our chances in later years w/o Montero.

            • 1-We all know this already. Not what we are talking about.

              2-If you underestimate the impact of starting pitcher, particularly ELITE starting pitching in the playoffs, then we’re not watching the same game. Put another way, if you took CC off this team would it (in your words) noy make that much difference? Lee is every bit the pitcher CC is.

              3-Again, you don’t get your cake and eat it too. The question is Lee for this year, give up Montero. Discuss.

              • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag says:

                In a VACUUM, of course I’d do it, but the season’s not in a vacuum. Other years need to be discussed too.

                We’re already in excellent position to make a playoff run this year. The question is, is increasing our odds by, say, ten-15 percent this year worth weakenig our chancce to win the WS in later years?

                I say no.

  21. bonestock94 says:

    Checking out those leaked MLB financial statements. The Pirates made a LOT more money than the Rays in 2008.

    • bonestock94 says:

      And the Angels too. Wow.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      MLB should just move one of the Florida teams out. Preferably the Rays.

      • T-Dubs says:

        Could not agree more about this.

      • bonestock94 says:

        I wonder if the Rays to CT thing has legs.

        • Esteban says:

          Would the Yankees and Red Sox fans of CT switch allegiances though? Both fanbases are pretty passionate, I think it would take a generation to generate any real fans.

          • Yeah, moving them to CT would be the same as being in FLA: a non-loyal fan-base in a not-heavily-populated-enough-area.

            • T-Dubs says:

              The non-populated area is sort of half relevant in this case though. Although the physical numbers aren’t there, the advertising in CT (especially in Fairfield County) is crazy because there’s a lot of money to be spent. The UConn football team can sell out a 38,000 seat stadium in the middle of nowhere so a 45,000 seat baseball stadium strategically located would probably draw ok with a winning team.

              It’s also worth noting that after the Patriots fiasco, there will never EVER be any taxpayer money thrown at a sports team again, so any team wishing to come to CT would have to be totally self-financed. Probably not the best scenario for a team like the Rays.

              • Good points on both ends.

                I wonder where the right place for a baseball stadium in CT would be. I’d like to see an affiliated MiL team (not an independent team like the Bluefish) on the western side of the state.

                • T-Dubs says:

                  New Haven would seem like a reasonable place. Meriden is equidistant between Hartford and New Haven so maybe there? You’ve got the Torrington Titans up in the great Northwest!

          • T-Dubs says:

            There’s an insanely high number of bandwagon fans. If both the Yanks and Sox went into a downturn at the same time, they could pull some fans. There is an undying loyalty to the deceased Whalers so there is a definite passionate fanbase to be had, but I find it unlikely.

            Both the Yanks and the Sox would go insane at the loss of some of their media markets too. I’m in Manchester, CT (middle of the state) and I get both NESN and YES.

        • T-Dubs says:

          As a CT resident I can all but guarantee you it does not.

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          Why would you do such a thing?!?!? Further killing the small market Red Sox territory would make it so unfair to them.

      • The Vegas Rays. Make it happen Bud!

  22. Carlosologist says:

    Fact: Jim Thome is good at baseball.

  23. bonestock94 says:

    Nats just blew a good lead in the 8th and 9th vs. the Cards. I’m in a great baseball viewing region lol.

  24. T-Dubs says:

    I wonder if the Charlotte region would be a viable landing spot for one of the Florida teams.

  25. bexarama says:

    I got home not long ago but this Cards/Nats game is like an embarrassment of awesome pitching no ._.

  26. T-Dubs says:

    Aceves THEN Noesi on Friday for whomever said they were going to the SWB game tomorrow.

  27. Big Juan says:

    Haha. Buster Olney is ranting about sabermetrics on twitter right now.

  28. Sunil says:

    Yanks claim Manny off waivers? Does anyone think that could be a good move?

    • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag says:

      Wait, what?

      What does that mean? Do we actually have a shot to land Manny?

      Because if so, that’s GREAT.

    • Steve H says:

      Steve (
      If Manny gets to the Yankees on waivers, what are they odds they would take him? 1%? What if they never got Berkman, do you think Manny would have been a legitmate possibilty for the stretch run?

      Wallace Matthews
      Zero. That is one thing the GM told me that I believe I can share

      For whatever reason Cash does seem to talk to Wally, so I’d believe what he wrote today.

  29. Sunil says:

    I dont think it could happen. I’m just thinking out loud. I’m getting worried about the yanks rotation getting past tampa then the phillies. Of possible moves I think getting manny would tip things in their favor heavily against anyone.

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