Open Thread: One more baseball-less night


(AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)

It’s been a long week for us Yankee fans, who watched the team clinch an ALCS berth way back on Saturday. Five days later, we are still without baseball, but that’s going to change roughly 24 hours from now. The Yanks arrived in Dallas earlier today and had a little workout session at the park today in advance of tomorrow’s Game One. Every game they play from here on out will be the most important game of the season, and I can’t wait.

Here’s the open thread for the night. None of the hockey or basketball locals are in the action, and the NLCS doesn’t start until Saturday. Looks like one of those nights when you’ll actually have to leave the basement to entertain yourself. I know, what the hell is up with that? Anyway, you guys know what to do, so have at it.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Bryan says:

    Fuck. Why does Game 1 have to be on a Friday night…


  2. 1) Apparently Mantle played his entire career on a torn ACL.

    2) If you’re bored, I’m doing a preview live chat on my blog in an hour, stop by!

  3. thurdonpaul says:

    I know nothing could have really been done different, but this long layoff sucksss.

  4. TopChuckie says:

    Had enough Cliff Lee talk yet?

    We can all agree we’d much rather the Yanks were sending Lee to the mound rather than facing him, but how about these hypotheticals?

    1. Back in June we didn’t know for sure what we know now, that the Yanks would make the post-season and cruise through the ALDS. The best rumored trade offer I heard back in June was Montero, Adams & McAllister (Since he’s gone assume similar valued prospect) for Lee. If trades were allowed right now, would you make that trade? (Don’t assume the Rangers would get the players from the Yankees, just assume they’d have to sacrifice those players to move Lee from the Rangers to the Yankees.

    2. Are you more or less in favor of that trade now than you were in June? In other words, Yanks made it this far without him, they can go all the way without him and still have Montero. Or now that he really stands in the way of the WS, I am even more willing to sacrifice those players.

    3. How does the Phillies and the probable match up with their rotation affect your opinion?

    4. As the asking price and maybe length of contract demands increase with each Lee post-season success story, does the likelihood of the Yanks signing him increase or decrease? Is he pricing himself out of their comfort zone, considering the other aging contracts they’ll be “saddled” with in 5+ years? Or is he pricing himself into only the Yanks budget? Would beating the Yanks and winning the WS force the Rangers to keep him at all costs with their new TV money? Is there really any other team in the discussion anymore?

    • vin says:

      No, less, somewhat, increase.

      I don’t think the Yanks need him now, because they ARE the better team, and better than the Phils and Giants to boot.

      However, I was in favor of the trade at the time. And knowing then, what I know now, would I favor the trade? Yes.

      The Yanks don’t need Cliff Lee to help them make the postseason (even the Rangers didn’t need him for that). They don’t need a guy like Lee to beat up on the Twins. They do need him to beat the best the AL has to offer, as well as win the WS.

      They can win the ALCS and WS without Lee, but he would give them much more certainty. Imagine, if you will, a rotation of:

      CC, Pettitte/Hughes, Lee, Hughes/Pettitte, CC, Pettitte/Hughes, Lee

      You can either have Phil or Andy make two starts – depending on effectiveness at the time and platoon splits, etc.

      That’s downright nasty. AJ and Javy can chill out in the Steinbrenner’s box during the games and prepare the champagne in the clinchers.

    • bexarama says:

      1. No.

      2. A little more, because I think it would’ve made things A LOT easier when AJ and Javy imploded, Hughes struggled, and Andy got hurt and was out for like the entire second half. I still wouldn’t do it though.

      3. Not much at all. Cliff Lee certainly gives us a better chance to win this year, but Lee + Montero for the next few years >>> Lee this year and the next few years if we signed him to an extension, with no Montero. And I’m not even as crazy about Montero as others here, to be honest…

      4. As the asking price and maybe length of contract demands increase with each Lee post-season success story
      really, really don’t think so

      does the likelihood of the Yanks signing him increase or decrease?
      If the chances of Lee being paid more goes up, that always favors the Yankees. If the Rangers win the WS, maybe the chance of him resigning with them goes up a littttttle bit… but I dunno, I don’t see it.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      1. Not at all. Any deal with Jesus to a player that’s going to FA in a few months is not a good deal IMHO. Now trading Jesus for 2 or 3 games pitched if I’m reading the question right is really really bad. Jorge is going to be nearly impossible to replace. I want as much chances as we can get making sure we have an adequate replacement.

      2. Same. I don’t want Lee if it costs Montero because he’s only going to cost money if you wait it out. You still have a good chance of winning it all without him. Tough yes but it’s not a must.

      3. Not much. The Phillies didn’t score much off the Reds and they probably had the worst rotation for playoff teams. Their pitching is scary but the Yanks pitching isn’t soooooo far behind.

      4. No idea. It depends if they value Jesus expendable or if they view Jesus as a really damn god prospect but Lee is still worth it. If he’s asking for Sabathia money they may pass. If it’s the second mentality then it’s everything for Lee.

  5. Greg Golson says:

    Happy Birthday Joe Girardi

  6. pat says:

    This live version of 30 Rock blooooooooows.

  7. bexarama says:

    Heh did anyone else see that awful segment on MLBN that was like “Mariano was 0-2 against the Red Sox in 2004! And he’s 0-2 against the Rangers in 2010! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!!”

    • vin says:

      MLBN is disappointing. They have a great opportunity to provide useful commentary, and they have left me disappointed.

      I had this thought last year – how great would a stat-geek/SABR-friendly show be on that network?! I know they have a fantasy show, but the rest of the time they have guys like Reynolds and Williams making fun of stat-heads.

    • rek4gehrig says:

      Yeah I saw it this morning. Total nonsense. Obvie they dont really know the postseason Mo.

  8. candyforstalin says:

    number above which you wouldn’t want the yankees to sign cliff lee.


  9. Once and Future Lurker says:

    I’ve got a question which I hope someone more statistically-inclined than myself can answer: are the playoffs statistically significant?

    The winner of any given baseball game is almost random, but not quite, which explains the length of the regular season. Assuming that 162 games is enough to populate the postseason with the best teams, what does a five or seven game series tell you? The Yankees have both lost five in a row and won seven in a row this season; if they’d hit that skid in the ALDS they’d be out, despite being the better team during the regular season. Doesn’t that suggest something wrong with the playoff system, when you can lose on pure luck?

    That being said, I think there’s a lot of merit to the marathon/sprint analogy. It may be worth it to consider the baseball season as simply consisting of two parts, where the regular season only serves to separate the wheat from the chaff. Maybe the whole point is to find the best combination of whatever intangibles contribute to a World Series team, and I’m just overthinking it. There are also some wildcard implications in here, if anyone’s interested.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Definitely luck can be a huge factor in a short series. Many times a lesser team can win it all. Ignoring the last 4 games of the 2004 ALCS, the Yankees were beating a statistically superior team.

      I don’t know how to fix it. One thing you can do is make the ALDS 7 games.

    • Stratman9652 says:

      The only way to sum up the post is by saying that you just can’t predict baseball. You could play a sudden death single game, a 3 game series, a 5, 7, 9 or any other size series and get a different result every time. Its entertainment folks.

  10. cookiecc says:

    could we mention, just for the record, how many homegrown yankees are on this team? I’m sick of hearing about how we’re buying it again.

    Phil Hughes
    Andy Pettitte
    Jorge Posada
    Derek Jeter
    Robinson Cano
    Brett Gardner
    Francisco Cervelli
    Mariano Rivera
    Joba Chamberlain
    (David Robertson?)

    Cashman’s non big money players:


    The big $$ names:


    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Using fWAR the Yankees have an even 25 percent split for each facet in acquiring talent. Meaning 25 percent of their value comes from free agents, from trades, fromt he draft and from IFA signings.

      Boston on the other hand gets most of its value from free agents.

    • Tom Zig says:

      D-Rob was a draftee.

      Swisher, Logan, Grandy, Wood, Berkman all were trades too.

      Technically A-Rod was traded for as well.

      The Yankees have only have 6 free agents on the current active roster. (IFAs excluded)

    • Dirty Pena says:

      Since it’s for the record, you forgot Ramiro Pena. And Marcus Thames if you wanna get cute.

      • Stratman9652 says:

        And Kearns and Golson. Although Golson was a trade after spending most of his career in the minors for other teams.

    • Joe P says:

      Amen to this post. I can’t stand how much I hear about that in Upstate NY. It somewhat blends into New England up here…

    • Avi says:

      There’s no question the Yankees have done a great job developing talent. But to suggest that money has nothing to do with it is TOTALLY inaccurate. If every team was able to pay their home-grown Jeters, Riveras, Posadas to retain them plus have the money to bring in a CC and Tex and also trade for expensive guys like Arod there would probably be MANY more teams in our position.
      This doesn’t take away from the sweetness when they win for me.

  11. Avi says:

    Wow! This has bothered me for a long time and it’s nice to hear someone else bring it up.
    You’re 100% right. The people who created baseball got it right. It does take 162 games to determine who the best teams are.
    In any given year the best team will lose sixty games and the worst team will win sixty.
    The nature of the game is such that you can hit a rocket line drive and have it go right at a fielder or hit the softest of rollers and reach base. It’s very possible for a team to hit the ball hard more times than their opponent over the course of a single game and STILL LOSE.
    In what other game can you outperform your opponent and lose??

    The wild card and three playoff rounds is all about the players and owners maximizing their profits; nothing else.
    Any team no matter how good, can loose to ANY other Major League team in a best of seven and especially a best of 5 series.
    Winning a short series proves nothing in terms of which is the superior team!

  12. It'sATarp says:

    hmm Jair Jurrjens might be on the trading block…he would be an interesting pitcher to look at if Cliff Lee falls through.

  13. JFH says:

    after watching the experts this week, apparently i need to stop following jesus and start worshipping cliff lee.

  14. JFH says:

    the game 3, mick kelleher hit-by errant-throw video still makes me laugh.

  15. dan genovese says:

    lee is ours ,no way he signs with anyone else.

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