Oct
05

Open Thread: Yankee Statistical Leaders

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(AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)

Now that the season’s over and we’re just killing time before the ALDS starts, let’s take a second to look back on some of the Yankees statistical leaders this season …

Position Players (min. 150 PA)

AVG: Robbie Cano (.319), Nick Swisher (.288), Marcus Thames (.288)
OBP: Brett Gardner (.383), Cano (.381), Mark Teixeira (.365)
SLG: Cano (.534), Swish (.511), Alex Rodriguez (.506)
ISO: A-Rod (.236), Tex (.225), Swish (.223)
wOBA: Cano (.389), Swish (.377), Tex (.367)
HR: Tex (33), A-Rod (30), Swish & Cano (29)
RBI: A-Rod (125), Cano (109), Tex (108)
2B: Cano (41), Tex (36), Swish (33)
BB: Tex (93), Gardner (79), Derek Jeter (63)
K: Swish (139), Tex (122), Curtis Granderson (116)
SB: Gardner (47), Jeter (18), Granderson (12)
fWAR: Cano (6.4), Gardner (5.4), Swish (4.2)
bWAR: Cano (6.1), Tex (4.2), Swish & Gardner (4.0)

Pitchers (min. 40 IP)

ERA: Mariano Rivera (1.80), CC Sabathia (3.18), Andy Pettitte (3.28)
FIP: Mo (2.81), Joba Chamberlain (2.98), Sabathia (3.54)
xFIP: Joba (3.34), Mo (3.65), Sabathia (3.78)
IP: Sabathia (237.2), A.J. Burnett (186.2), Phil Hughes (176.1)
K/9: David Robertson (10.42), Joba (9.67), Sabathia (7.46)
BB/9: Mo (1.65), Sergio Mitre (2.67), Joba (2.76)
K/BB: Mo (4.09), Joba (3.50), Sabathia (2.66)
GB%: Ivan Nova (51.4), Mo (51.2), Mitre (50.9)
AVG: Mo (.187), Mitre (.220), Sabathia (.238)
fWAR: Sabathia (5.1), Hughes (2.4), Pettitte (2.1)
bWAR: Sabathia (5.4), Pettitte (3.1), Mo (3.0)

Where would the Yankee have been without Cano and Sabathia? I’m afraid to think about it…

Anyway, here’s tonight’s open thread. You’re on your own as far as entertainment goes; there’s no baseball, football, preseason hockey, nothing. You guys are smart, you’ll figure it out. Have at it, and don’t forget to become a fan of RAB Tickets on Facebook for a chance to win a Yankee hat.

Categories : Open Thread
  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    Watch this video to get psyched up, but they didn’t include the 2003 ALDS game I was at lol whatevs.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......id=7417714

    • first time lawng time

      Fun Fact: every time the Yanks have played the Twins in the playoffs, they have gone onto the World Series.

      except 2004, but we don’t need to bring that up

    • first time lawng time

      #5: The reason why David Robertson is my favorite pitcher.

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      Chip Carey sounds so dejected calling the A-Rod HR.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Mary Carey was quite animated for the various Melky “blasts”, though.

        • first time lawng time

          OMG MELKY!!!!!

          /crazy Melky fan’d

    • Kiersten

      Man, I really wish A-Rod had sucked in the 2004 ALDS.

  • Carlosologist

    MLBN used wOBA to compare Shane Victorino and Drew Stubbs. Progress!

    • http://dontbringinthelefty.blogspot.com Lucas AA, aka don’t_bring_in_the_lefty

      You’re kidding … I need video proof!

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

    Shameless self promo…did an interview with Josh Norris, who covers the Thunder for the Trentonian. Tons of praise for Laird, Brackman, Banuelos and Stoneburner (I had to think about that for a minute, nearly called him Stonebrenner…) Some real good stuff.

    http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....sh-norris/

    And I’m doing a live chat at eight, not that you’d be interested in such a thing….

    • http://twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook fka Johan

      I’ll join in on the fun!

      • http://puristbleedsbinstripes.com Rebecca – Optimist Prime – Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

        Wooohoo! 38 minutes and counting!

    • The Tragically FIP

      Great interview. He got me really excited for Stoneburner next year.

  • first time lawng time

    A couple things:
    1. Marcus Thames is 3rd in avg?…didn’t see that one coming.
    2. What is ISO?
    3. Are you guys going to do a post on the best moments from the second half like you did for the first half?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      2. ISO = isolated power, it’s just SLG minus AVG. It’s a better way to measure power since it takes the singles out.

      3. Yep, at 9:30am tomorrow. About to put it together right now.

      • first time lawng time

        Oh cool. Thanks!

      • forensic

        Why don’t you guys use ISOP to differentiate it from ISOD?

        • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

          IsoD is usually the one that gets differentiated.

    • Carlosologist

      ISO is short for Isolated Power. You can find it by doing SLG-AVG. It shows for how much power a guy hit. It has to be used in context, or else the number won’t make much sense.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

    So, because we spent a huge amount of time on this and because you love us, come vote on what you think was the craziest, most unpredictable things to happen in 2010

    • http://puristbleedsbinstripes.com Rebecca – Optimist Prime – Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

      VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE

      Or you’re dead to me. And Jordan. And Bexy.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Your link doesn’t work, it’s empty.

      EDIT EDIT EDIT

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

      I fail at life.

      Here is the link

      Come vote!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        I didn’t know that you were part of the awesome ycpb.com team, JGS; kudos. I will now follow you on the TWEET TWEET BIIIIITCH.

        • http://puristbleedsbinstripes.com Rebecca – Optimist Prime – Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

          He’s been with us since the summer. We did announce it thusly. =D =D

          (It’s too bad his parents didn’t name him ReBeck or something…)

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

            You know what’s not too bad? That

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

          Aye, I am. Thank ye many times.

    • Stratman9652

      Great list but I really think the comback game against the Dogers where Colin Curtis and Chad Huffman broke Broxton should be the YCPB game of the year. I’m still in shock over that one.

  • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    When is the last time a Yankees OBP leader was as low as .383? I’m guessing quite a while.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Yeah definitely not the Yankees year in OBP.

      • Ellis

        Well, two top-10 players in AL OBP (Gardner and Cano). OBP is just way down all over baseball.

        http://www.baseball-reference......ders.shtml

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        collective team OBP, top 10:
        NYY .350
        MIN .341
        BOS .339
        ATL .339
        CIN .338
        TEX .338
        COL .336
        DET .335
        MIL .335
        TBR .333

        It was no one’s year in OBP.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          YEAR OF TEH PITCHER ZOMG

          • http://twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook fka Johan

            YEAR OF TEH MOUND. GET OFF IT, YOU MUST!

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              TWO-OH-NIZZINE, BIZZATCH!

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          just for comparison’s sake, top 10 collective team OBP in 2009:
          NYY .362
          BOS .352
          LAA .350
          LAD .346
          MIN .345
          COL .343
          TBR .343
          MIL .341
          FLA .340
          CLE/ATL .339

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Kevin Maas’s .367 in 1990 lead the team.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        No, wait:

        Steve Sax, the next year, .345.

        (These are minimum 200 PA.)

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

        Steve Sax’s .345 led the team in 1991. This is also the answer to Steve’s question.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          He’s also still wanted for several unsolved murders here in New York City.

          • Gonzo

            Saxy Boy!

    • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      1993. Mike Stanley just missed qualifying for batting title but was at .389, only 491 PA’s though. Qualified leader was Boggs at .378

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

        Right. Going with minimum 150 PAs it’s 1991.

  • S.King

    can someone tell me: where can i legitimately purchase an online viewing of TBS’s coverage of the ALDS. i don’t want to watch “10 camera angles”– i want the actual TV programming, etc.

    is that possible?

    • http://puristbleedsbinstripes.com Rebecca – Optimist Prime – Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

      mlb.tv should carry it.

      • S.King

        i believe mlb.tv postseason games are blacked out in the US and Canada.

        • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

          Correct you are.

      • Betty Lizard

        Looks like all we get is “Postseason TV” instead of mlbtv.com. $9.95 for the 10 camera angles, which as no interest to me.

        I have the game on cable at home but I had fantasies of being at my talk Thursday night and having the game on (discreetly) on my iPhone in my pocket . . .

        I guess I’ll tape the game and do my best to remain unspoiled.

    • Kiersten

      atdhe.net should have them all streaming.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    You’re on your own as far as entertainment goes; there’s no baseball, football, preseason hockey, nothing. You guys are smart, you’ll figure it out.

    Let’s have monkey knife fights in international waters.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

      I now pronounce ye man and cow

    • Carlosologist

      (prepares book; takes bets)

    • Accent Shallow

      I’m rebroadcasting tomorrow’s games with implied oral consent.

  • forensic

    How can you say there is nothing on TV??? Troy and Middle Tennessee State are battling in an hour! You can throw out the record books when those two behemoths meet.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I think the World Series of Dice is on The Ocho tonight.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      I dunno why no one here would want to watch the 30 for 30 that’s on tonight!

      • first time lawng time

        What’s on?

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          it’s called “Four Days in October” and it’s about the 2004 ALCS and that Red Sox team. Yeaaaahhh.

          • first time lawng time

            What’s 2004?

            I was never aware that such a year ever existed.

            Hmmm sounds interesting though.

            • Thomas

              I have a friend who decided 2004 was a dream and one of these days we will wake up and be like “Wait the Red Sox didn’t beat the Yankees?!?!?”

          • vin

            I just want to get a job at ESPN and rise through the ranks so I can make Yankee propoganda videos.

            I’d make a 4 part episode on the Bobby Abreu trade.

            I’d do a Sports Century on Kevin Maas.

            Jim Leyritz would be the new host of Around the Horn (is that even on still?).

            • first time lawng time

              Don’t forget the part where Mark Teixeira chose the Yankees over Boston. And when Johnny Damon declined to go back to Boston and said New York was the better organization.

              And the 26 titles they won between 1918 and 2004…

  • http://twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook fka Johan

    http://bosoxgifs.imgur.com/beltre_head_rubs/1

    Four. Pages. Of. Pure. Epicness.

    • Carlosologist

      Adrian Beltre is a guy that I would not like to run into at night.

      • vin

        He’s no Gary Sheffield. But he’s not far off.

    • pat

      Beltre is sweet, but this one is sweeter.

      http://tinyurl.com/27k3vpp

      • Thomas

        That was amazing.

    • vin

      That’s hilarious. Had no idea that was going on.

    • http://twitter.com/firstheart42 seimiya

      It’s Victor Martinez almost every time. What does V-Mart see in Beltre’s head?

  • first time lawng time

    Posada’s not in any of those categories above, because he sucks. lol whatevs

    • Poopy Pants

      “Posada’s not in any of those categories above, because he sucks.”

      This.

      Repeated for emphasis.

      • first time lawng time

        Can’t tell if you’re joking or not…

  • Guest

    Check out Joba’s FIP and xFIP. He pitched really well this year. Incredibly bad luck in the first half of the season. His FIP and xFIP + Stuff + K/BB ratio = massive positive correction next season? Let’s hope.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      IMO, you can’t just blindly look at FIP/xFIP for Joba. He genuinely was not locating well at all, and he was getting hit hard when he didn’t locate, which is what usually happens. He got much better in the second half of the season, IMO. He’s really talented, so he’s got great stuff and could still strike out guys/not walk too many even when he was struggling, but I couldn’t just write off his struggles as “well he was getting unlucky.” I’m certainly not giving up on him.

      (Also watch out, ZZ’s gonna get ya)

      • Guest

        But how could a guy who was locating terribly still strike out guys at a rate of one guy per inning while walking very few?

        I understand that a guy with great stuff could look nasty against one hitter strike him out, and then miss badly on location with other hitters. But doesn’t every pitcher miss on location? I’ve seen CC, Mo, and many others look nasty for extended periods of time, but even they still make mistakes during their hot stretches. It’s just that not every mistake gets hit hard in fair territory without getting caught for an out. I think Joba had a stretch where he was incredibly unlucky and an unusual percentage of his mistakes were getting crushed and finding green (or the seats).

        I mean, if a guy can locate well enough to consistently strike people out and not walk anyone, I find it hard to believe that he can still make SO MANY mistakes that his ERA would be as bad as Joba’s was as of late July. I think I saw somewhere that Joba had the second worst ERA among relievers who threw a certain minimum number of innings as of late July. Think of all the bad relievers there are in baseball. There are (figuritively) too many to name. And Joba’s ERA was worse than almost all of them. All while sporting very impressive K/9,K/BB, FIP and xFIP rates.

        Given his performance in the second half of the season and his prior track record (admittedly uneven but MUCH better than the first half of this season), I think the ridiculously large number of runs he gave up in the first half of the season can be chalked up more to luck than to anything else.

        • Ed

          But how could a guy who was locating terribly still strike out guys at a rate of one guy per inning while walking very few?

          When he missed his spots, he was getting too much of the plate.

          If you’re not getting enough of the strike zone, you walk a lot of guys. If you’re getting too much of the strike zone, you’ll give up a lot of hits. He was very inconsistent at the time. He’d dominate one night, then get lit up the next. My feeling is that he had an issue repeating his mechanics, but that’s just a guess with nothing to back it.

          One thing to keep in mind with all the BABIP and luck and all that averaging out – that’s all based on the assumption that you’ve got typical major league pitching. Have someone throw fastballs down the middle instead of aiming at the edges of the strike zone and you’ll see line drive rates and BABIP jump up. Rates that are out of line could just be luck, or they could be signs of a real problem.

          • Guest

            I saw the games and I saw him get way too much of the plate. But every pitcher misses his spot and gets way too much of the plate. Seriously, count the number of times fastballs over the plate are fouled back, inexplicably taken for a strike, or turn into loud outs.

            I will concede that Joba was likely doing this more often during his down stretch than he was during others. I just don’t think he was missing his spots nearly as much as we remember. I don’t see how he could have been striking people out and not walking people at elite rates if he was missing his spots often enough to have one of the worst ERAs in the game. I think his results were so out of line with his career performance before and after this down stretch as well as so out of line with his rate stats that I find it hard to believe that most of his problems weren’t caused by bad luck.

      • ZZ

        (Also watch out, ZZ’s gonna get ya)

        Heh :)

  • Gonzo

    Do you guys think A-Rod will ever lead the team in WAR again?

    My gut says yes if he can avoid injury, but I am not sure.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Put me down for “yes”.

      In 2011. You heard me.

      • Hughesus Christo

        Tex, obv

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Hey, does anyone think we should pursue Gerald Laird this winter to upgrade Frankie Cervelli?

    /on-topicsinceit’sanopenthread’d
    /Idon’tactuallycareaboutthis’d
    /throwingthatonecommenterabone’d

    • http://puristbleedsbinstripes.com Rebecca – Optimist Prime – Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

      Nah. I mean, we’d get like half a season of Laird before Montero would be ready, not really worth the cost imo

    • chriskeo

      Maybe his brother can catch…

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Maybe we can hire his grandfather to work security.

        • chriskeo

          Maybe he already does.

    • Gonzo

      I’d say no. Maybe the Yanks don’t see Montero as an MLB catcher in ’11, so maybe.

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      /on-topicsinceit’sanopenthread’d

      Gerald Laird actually led the Tigers in games caught, so if this hadn’t been an open thread, you’d still be only “slightly” off topic.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

      Eh. Cervelli caught 40 games last year and threw out 43%. Sure he took a step back defensively this year, but I’m inclined to blame the precipitous drop in CS% more on his pitchers not holding people very well.

      Considering Cervelli might actually be a better bat than Laird at this point, the defensive upgrade, while real, doesn’t justify the added cost (Laird made $3.95M this year and even a pay cut after his horrendous year at the plate still has him making him way more than Frankie).

      Pass.

  • first time lawng time

    So even though Liriano’s apparently a really good pitcher, like over have the guys in our lineup half good numbers against him. They may be small sample sizes, but that’s good for us. IDK the exact numbers but I’m pretty sure it’s true.

    Also, I’m pretty sure there’s only one guy with goo numbers against CC, so I like our chances in Game 1.

    I just made that last paragraph up so don’t take my word for it.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

      Liriano had TJ after the 2006 season and it wasn’t until this season that he really found his dominant 2006 form again (and he amassed all of 1.2 career innings against the Yankees prior to the surgery), so I don’t know how meaningful those numbers are unless they came this year.

      • first time lawng time

        Yeah, I heard them on Francesa, so IDK the details.

  • Guest

    Tonight is also the first competitive (preseason though it may be) for Miami Thrice.

    Or the Three Kings.

    Or the Miami Three Party.

    Or whatever they are called these days.

    Whether they succeed or fail, I think they will be the most fascinating team in recent sports history. I really don’t think we have seen anything like this in quite some time.

    • first time lawng time

      I call them the dynamic duo with a stuck-up coward who is taking the easy way out to win a championship, rather than doing it on a bad team with no superstars like a real man.

      /bitter Knicks fan’d

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Kobe: Man, gimme your fruit cocktail!
        LeBron: Well, I can’t. If I did that, I’d have to give it to you everyday, and I won’t get all my vitamins.
        Kobe: DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU’RE DEALING WITH?!?!
        D-Wade: Chill, Black Mamba! He’s my bitch. If anyone’s gonna stab him, it’s gonna be me. Gotta problem with that?”
        Kobe: You better watch your back, fish. Flash ain’t always gonna be there… next time I come for you, I’m gonna want some cocktail. FRUIT!
        LeBron: Take it! … I’M SOMEBODY’S BITCH!!!

        • first time lawng time

          I hate Kobe. I hate LeBron. I don’t mind Dwyane Wade.

          Not to sound mean or anything, I hope LeBron never wins a championship.

          Unless he plays with the Knicks of course.

      • billbybob

        Meh.
        When they go 73-9 everyone will be bowing down to him again.

      • Guest

        I think you are saying this in jest, but I really don’t get the “real men wouldn’t have done it” argument with Lebron.

        I agree that “The Decision” was one of the dumbest, most insensitive, narcisstic things I have ever seen; so people have every right to hate on him for doing that. (Though I think the vitriol may have been a bit excessive).

        But the real men don’t play with other good players argument…confuses me.

        As the brilliant Rhodes Scholar, Dr. Sir Herman Edwards, Esq., once told us “YOU…PLAY…TO WIN…THE GAME.” That’s it. You go out there and try to win championships. And if you are a free agent who has already made a ton of money, it certainly makes sense that you would sign with a team that increases your chances of winning a championship. And if you could have some fun a long the way, even better.

        So to recap, Lebron signed a 9 figure contract to play with Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, (one all-time great and another perennial all-star who also happen to be his good friends and men he won an Olympic Gold medal with), in an organization run by a guy with 6 rings (and proved his straight Ninja-tude by surrounding them with a pretty good supporting cast), that plays its games in South Beach, Miami. Um…yeah. This seems like the smart choice.

        Yell it from “The Decision” all you want; but he absolutely made the best possible choice in terms of winning championships and having fun. I just can’t fault him for doing that.

        • first time lawng time

          I just have an irrational dislike for LeBron now.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          but he absolutely made the best possible choice in terms of winning championships and having fun.

          At the expense of his potential legacy as an alpha dog who wanted to win all by himself with a team that belonged to him, yes.

          Other men won more than Jordan, but Jordan’s the best ever because he won 6 titles with a team that was unquestionably his. LeBron will never have that now; that team isn’t his, it’s an all-star timeshare.

          • first time lawng time

            The Curse of LBJ: the Heat shall never win a championship ever again.

            EVER.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Who are you, Dan Gilbert?

              The Heat will win; they’re too talented not to. But a Heat team that wins 8 titles won’t get LeBron in front of Jordan in the “Best Ever” debate, because LeBron chose the easier way to 8 titles and Jordan chose the harder way to 6.

              • first time lawng time

                I’d still be more satisfied if one of the following happened:
                1. LBJ never won a championship
                2. Cleveland won a championship while LeBron is with the Heat

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  Don’t hold your breath.

                • http://www.superkyle.tk maurice

                  at least he was a former president.

          • Guest

            But why is this so important? I understand that basketball is different than the other team sports because one guy can have a greater impact on the outcome of the game than in the other team sports.

            Yet, what is Michael Jordan today? I grew up idolizing Mike, but did you see his hall of fame acceptance speech? Others were offended, but I just found it sad. He may be a well respected global icon with a high Q rating, but the man actually is an island (and, judging from some of his comments, not the most sensitive father that ever lived). He still sees this whole thing as him against the basketball world, even though he is standing on top of it. He essentially turned a team sport into an individual one, with teammates just being a necessary nuisance.

            Lebron, going back to his high school days, seems to actually enjoy playing on a team. Given that basketball is a team game, this doesn’t seem like someting we should bash him for.

            Would you really rather be a lone wolf, feared by your teammates, and winning championships while being isolated from the other guys who were on the court with you? Would you prefer this to winning the same number of championships (or more)all while sharing a meaningful camraderie and being part of something larger than yourself?

            I mean, I guess I could see the “ego” benefits of doing it (practically) by yourself. But I don’t get why people seem to think that Lebron’s choice shouldn’t also be a viable option as well.

            • first time lawng time

              But why is this so important?

              Because he was supposed to sign with NY that’s why.

              /unecessary snippiness’d

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Of course LeBron’s choice is a valid option.

              It’s just one that makes certain legacy goals impossible for him. There’s nothing wrong with that for him personally if he doesn’t have those legacy goals.

              As sports fans, though, those legacy goals are very important, so LeBron has fundamentally changed how he’ll be perceived forever. If he’s cool with that, more power to him.

              • Guest

                I can hang with this.

                My only nit is that there is not a monolithic “sports fan.”

                I definitely think that the majority view is that Lebron has harmed his legacy forever with this move.

                Personally though, I think I will have a higher view of Lebron because of his move to Miami. I think he has the potential to be a strange Gretzky/Magic/Mike point-2 guard-forward and play the game in a manner that no one has ever quite seen before. I think this Heat team has the potential to play in a manner that we have never seen before, and Lebron makes that possible. Think the late 60′s early 70′s Knicks (ball movement, ensemble play) with much more talent. And I like that he enjoys being a teammate in a team game.

                I think if he and the Heat reach their potential, I will respect him way more and think see much better, much more UNIQUE play from him than we would have seen from him if he stayed in Cleveland or went to the Knicks/Nets. We’ve seen the 30 shots a game, “All Eyez on Me” approach to greatness. Jordan perfected it, AI did it in entertaining (if ultimately unsucessful) fashion, and Kobe has excelled at it for over a decade.

                What Lebron promises to do with the Heat is an entirely new thing. And I give him “legacy” props for that. While my view is certainly in the minority, I like to think (hope) I’m not the only one.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  Fair enough.

          • Sayid J.

            I know your comment was largely regarding public perception, but I don’t see why Wade can’t be to Lebron what Pippen was to MJ. Not that I want things to be viewed that way, but there’s Shaq/Kobe, Jordan/Pippen, Bird had an incredible supporting cast, as did Magic. I guess you could say I’m part of the problem, because I don’t care for Lebron much either, but I’m not sure all of this blame on him is entirely fair.

            I guess the biggest difference here is that Lebron was a free agent and chose to go join Wade in Miami, while none of the other guys did that. Still, if he, Wade and Bosh had gone to Chicago, although the team components would largely be the same, I don’t think Lebron would be viewed as negatively because he wasn’t joining “Wade’s team.”

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              I know your comment was largely regarding public perception, but I don’t see why Wade can’t be to Lebron what Pippen was to MJ.

              Because:

              Dwyane Wade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scottie Pippen.

              Similarly:

              Shaq >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scottie Pippen.

              Pippen simply isn’t remotely on the level of those guys. Michael Jordan MADE Scottie Pippen. Pippen is the best of the supporting cast, while Shaq and Wade are co-stars on equal footing.

              It’s why Kobe forced Shaq out; he knew he’d never equal Jordan’s greatness if all his rings included Shaq. It’s a giant asterisk.

              Winning two rings with Gasol/Bynum/Odom/Artest/Ariza/etc. has added more to Kobe’s legacy than all three rings he won with Shaq, because those teams were more loaded and he was part of a duo instead of the alpha dog of a team focused around only him.

    • http://twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook fka Johan

      Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kids of South Beach

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Dwyane Wade’s South Beach Heat

        /BillSimmons’commenters’d

  • Betty Lizard

    From Chad Jenning’s Tuesday workout article at LoHud:

    “As you might expect, both Burnett and Vazquez said they were disappointed but not surprised. Burnett obviously could still play a role this postseason, especially beyond this series. We’ve seen in the past that some managers, when they’ve made decisions like this one, have lost the player. Some players feel slighted, not taken care of.

    “Joe’s the best manager I ever played for,” Burnett said. “He’s done more for me this year probably than any manager has ever done. He cares about me as a person and as a player. I’ll be down in that pen and be ready to get one out or two outs or whatever I’ve got to do for him.”
    __________________

    My hard heart cracked a little at that statement by Burnett. (Actually, I freely admit I was thrilled we got Burnett and still like the guy.)

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      “Joe’s the best manager I ever played for,” Burnett said. “He’s done more for me this year probably than any manager has ever done. He cares about me as a person and as a player. I’ll be down in that pen and be ready to get one out or two outs or whatever I’ve got to do for him.”

      But I was specifically told that Girardi sux lol whatevs. This new information is impossible to square.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Those articles made me want to cry forever. Yeah, Burnett can’t pitch right now for whatever reason. But he seems like a really, really good guy, I’m sorry.

    • first time lawng time

      He seems like a really nice guy and understands that he’s struggling and is ready to take self-blame.

    • Kit

      I love AJ, so that is really sad. Hopefully he contributes positively for us in the post-season. I have the confidence that he will.

    • Dream of Electric Sheep/ still haven’t register /too lazy

      “Joe’s the best manager I ever played for”
      ————————–
      I would hate to see what AJ would have managed without Joe in this case then.

      On the hand, He seem to be a frank and genial individual, I can understand why it’s hard to hate a nice guy.

      • first time lawng time

        Joe seems to, I wouldn’t say baby but I can’t think of another word right now, AJ. What I mean is, Joe always seems to stick up for A.J. in the media and show faith in him. Kinda nice, actually.

        • Betty Lizard

          Please, Baseball Gods, may the Yankees play their hearts out, win and win and win and may AJ have at least a few innings of redemption/glory.

          (Off to sacrifice a chicken free range Tofu)

          • first time lawng time

            Seriously though, I hope he has a great season with the Yankees next year, he’s a good guy, he “deserves” it.

            Postive vibes, people, positve vibes!

    • vin

      I’m sorry, but where does that fit into our Yankees Attitude Matrix?

      http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....rix-36329/

      • Kit

        That does seem to cause a dilemma because of the WS ring and all. I’m guessing “Get out of town.”

        /Not serious

  • JerseyDutch

    How’s come those NL dudes only play one game tomorrow?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Spreading out the sked for TV purposes, holmes. If all 4 series start at the same time, there will be several days in the first round with no baseball when the teams are traveling.

      • JerseyDutch

        I should have thought of that. I might even watch some of the NL playoffs this year…

    • Kit

      Because the NL is boring?
      /kidding

      • first time lawng time

        //still true though’d

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    Non-bold playoff predictions: If the Reds do anything other than get swept by the Phillies, I will be extremely surprised.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I’m picking the Reds in an upset.

      #boldanddaring

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        Just wondering: why? You’re a smart guy and I haven’t heard any reasons anyone would actually pick the Reds over the Phillies other than “I hate the Phillies/I don’t want them to advance so I’m rooting against them” and “Joey Votto is angry at Charlie Manuel for snubbing him in the ASG”

        • Kit

          Out of curiosity, what the hell is up with the “Joey Votto is angry at Charlie Manuel…” thing? Are people seriously saying that? If so, I am not surprised, but why? I doubt Joey Votto actually cares.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            MLBN tried to make that point earlier. I’m not kidding.

            • Kit

              And this is why I lost faith in humanity. Thanks for the reminder, MLBN.

              • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

                Meh it wasn’t that bad. It’s just another narrative that died within 5 minutes.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          I know all logical expectation leads you to pick the Phillies. I just think that Volquez and Cueto can spin two gems between them (against a Phillies lineup that can be pitched to) and maybe Votto can win another game for them by himself.

          I’m not picking the Reds because they’re better, I’m picking the Reds in an upset.

          • Dream of Electric Sheep/ still haven’t register /too lazy

            I just think that Volquez and Cueto can spin two gems between them .
            —————————-
            Same thoughts here, those two has as good of stuff as anyone in the NL IMO. I am also hoping a few big fly from Votto and Bruce.

            That said, it’s neigh impossible to tame that Phillie lineup with RH pitching, look for Wood and Chapman to play vital roles somewhere.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            Gotcha. Should’ve realized that.

        • first time lawng time

          Here’s a real reason to think the Reds have a fighting chance:

          Mine and Kit’s Negative Vibes ™

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Plus, they have Edinson Volquez, 2010 Rookie Of The Year Candidate.

            • first time lawng time

              And Joey Votto, NL MVP.

              He might be on a different team though and I could be completely wrong. But I’m pretty sure he wears a red uniform
              //too lazy to actually look it up before posting’d

              • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

                No your’re right.

    • http://puristbleedsbinstripes.com Rebecca – Optimist Prime – Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

      Bold playoff prediction: Cliff Lee pitches a Game One stinker

    • first time lawng time

      I honestly hope the Reds beat the Phillies. Or the Phillies get knocked out in the NLCS. OR the Yankees beat the Phillies in the WS (although I’d rather they play the Braves…)

      Basically, I’m sending my bad vibes to the Phillies. I’d send my good vibes to the Reds, but I’m using them on the Yankees; specifically A.J. Burnett if he makes an appearance…

    • Kit

      I’m cheering for the Reds, despite the fact that I expect absolutely nothing out of them. I’m hoping my negative vibes towards Phillie works.

      /first time lawng time’d

    • Dream of Electric Sheep/ still haven’t register /too lazy

      Bold prediction : The Reds will beat the Phillies in 4

    • JerseyDutch

      Phillies in 4. I’ll give the Reds one win.

  • vin

    “Where would the Yankee have been without Cano and Sabathia? I’m afraid to think about it…”

    Let’s give Mo and Swisher some love too. If Mo had a typical month of September, we might be talking about this being his best season. It would’ve been his lowest ERA, and his WHIP would’ve been closer to 2008′s. His 6.8 k/9 this year was the 3rd lowest mark of his career. Following ’98 (5.3) and ’06 (6.6). And in both of those seasons he was his usual dominant self.

    Fun fact about Mo:
    His career ERA is a dominant 2.23. If you take away his rookie year (’95) where he was an unsuccessful starter who eventually moved to the pen, his ERA would be 2.03. Mo rules.

    Swisher’s .377 wOBA is the best mark of his career. His previous high was .368 back in ’06. His walks were way down, and his K’s were in line with his career. But he had 22 more hits than he had ever gotten before. His 2B and HRs were good, but not career highs.

    Comparing Swisher’s year with his 2006 year…

    2006 – .368 wOBA, 141 hits, 24 2b, 2 3b, 35 hr, 97 bb, 152 k, .372 OBP
    2010 – .377 wOBA, 163 hits, 33 2b, 3 3b, 29 hr, 58 bb, 139 k, .359 OBP

    He basically traded 40 walks for 22 more hits (with 13 fewer k’s). Swish did a great job of tweaking his approach to make himself a more productive all-around hitter.

    • Gonzo

      Remember when Conor Jackson was mentioned as a possible Swish 2.0 reclamation project?

      • vin

        I absolutely do. Every year people will be clamoring for the next Swisher-Betemit heist. I don’t care what Betemit does for the Royals, he had no role for the Yankees other than utility infielder. Cashman is a genius and a ninja of the highest order.

        Jackson did have a nice career going into 2009. Then he contract Valley Fever and the wheels came off. Hopefully he can come back strong next year.

  • Kit

    My ipod just fell, hit the corner of my computer desk and the screen cracked. Should I wait to pull a Charlton Heston or do it now?

    • Thomas

      SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!

      • Kit

        *stops eating* Nooooooooooooooooooo!!

    • JerseyDutch

      You mean, drop to your knees and yell, “Damn you! You blew it up!”

      • Kit

        Yes. I’m ripping my shirt now for extra drama.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Kit’s taking her top off?

          Okay, now I’m interested.

          • vin

            Well this was a bust. Pun sorta intended.

  • Jersey Mike in LA

    As a Yankee fan in LA I’m looking for anyway to watch the games on the computer, while in the office. I know all about MLB.tv Postseason but that is “companion coverage.” I’ll never understand why MLB schedules playoff games during the day but does not provide a way for their working fans to watch online.

    Would appreciate any help.

  • first time lawng time

    Anyone know how to type the copyright, all rights reserved, or trade marked sign on here?

  • Anthony Murillo

    Anybody else believe the George King note that Kearns is going to start in LF tomorrow night? I know it’s King saying it but…ugh, Kearns is a K machine.

    • first time lawng time

      Didn’t Girardi say he’s not using Kearns, but going with the A lineup?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Anybody else believe the George King —

      (interrupts)

      No.

  • first time lawng time

    Anyone watching A-Rod’s press conference right now?

    He went on a mini-rant on how he doesn’t like to use the term “defend” (in reference to the championship).

    The guy is so awkward, it’s so entertaining!

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Not watching it but he’s so hilariously awkward.

      • first time lawng time

        Haha. That’s why I love his interviews. Especially when he makes weird jokes and laughs at them and none of the reporters are laughing with him.

      • Kit

        He is awkward as hell. Still laugh at him pulling the base up in Cleveland and being all “…well,” and awkwardly putting it back.

        • first time lawng time

          Haha. I forgot about that. That’s got to be one of the funniest moments of the year.

        • Ellis

          Link to the video? I don’t get the reference.

  • JerseyDutch

    I don’t like the H2O moniker for the Phillies starters. Just sayin’…

    • first time lawng time

      I don’t like the H20 moniker for the Phillies starters. Just sayin’…

      FTFY

      • Thomas

        Well, I’m sure the Phillies fans don’t like you or the Yankees . . . or Santa.

        • Kit

          Or bathing…Oh wait, that’s Red Sox fans. Carry on.

          • first time lawng time

            IETC. Well done.

        • JerseyDutch

          Communists.

        • first time lawng time

          GOOD.

    • Kit

      Don’t think I’ve heard that moniker. Elaborate, please?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        H2 for Hamels and Halladay, O for Oswalt. It’s better than “Roytation.”

        • Kit

          …Roytation?

          *facepalm*

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          It’s better than “Roytation.”

          Dear god, please tell me you made that up as a goof and nobody actually said that.

          • Dream of Electric Sheep/ still haven’t register /too lazy

            Not better than Gyration in my opinion.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            Tragically I did not make that up. It’s for real. Some Phillies fans were using it. No, seriously.

          • Carlosologist

            http://www.dobberbaseball.com/.....-roytation

            I’m afraid someone actually did this.

      • Thomas

        Haven’t heard it but I’d guess it is the initials Halladay (H #1), Hamels (H #2), and Oswalt (the O).

        • Kit

          That would be clever and cute if it wasn’t completely stupid. And as a woman of science, I resent that.

      • JerseyDutch

        It refers to their three top starters: Halladay, Hamels, and Oswalt.

      • pat

        Halladay Hamels Oswalt.

      • Kit

        Thank you to all of you.

    • bonestock94

      I like “the Roys.” Hamels doesn’t deserve a nickname, I don’t care if he did well.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        “The Croyles”?

  • http://puristbleedsbinstripes.com Rebecca – Optimist Prime – Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

    Live chat is up, come and join us if you’re bored! http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....y-started/

  • Hughesus Christo

    Who wants to watch Four Days in October?

    • Guest

      I’m pretty sure if I go to Hell, I will be compelled to watch that on loop.

      I don’t think I have intentionally seen a single highlight, listened to a single bit of commentary, or read a single article about that series on purpose. I really don’t. I was going to school in Boston at the time and I think I avoided every form of newspaper or sports outlet for a full month. I’m not even kidding.

      So, if its still unclear, no, I will not be watching Four Days in October.

      • Hughesus Christo

        I’m watching it right now! Bill Simmons should never appear live, anywhere.

      • vin

        Me too. It’s a shame too. I haven’t even watched Ken Burns’ 10th inning yet because I’m dreading the topic being broached.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          I can deal with it now, because we’ve won since, but I’m not exactly like haaaay guyz dying to watch a like hour-long special on it.

          • vin

            When the Sox beat the Yankees in ’04 I seriously had the feeling you get when someone fairly close to you dies (for about a week and a half). It was a really tough pill to swallow.

            But, like you said, it made winning last year all the more sweet. Everything in the universe was restored.

    • Kit

      No one?

    • first time lawng time

      Peter Gammons.

      • Kit

        And Mitch Williams, drunkenly screaming FIVE ACES!! FIVE!!

        • first time lawng time

          Out of curiosity, do you have a link to where that “FIVE ACES” business started? Or at least an explanation?

          • Kit

            That was Bexy’s meme. I was just helping her build the brand. It was something about SNY (and ESPN, and everyone else at some point), saying that the Red Sox rotation was made out of five aces. It actually started last year, if I remember what Bex said correctly, and continued on to this year and they were wrong. Both times. Mitch Williams wrote an article on the MLB site about how the Red Sox could catch up with the Yankees and exclude them from the post season because of said five aces. Wrong again, Mitch.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              It probably dates back to 2009, when the MSM unintelligentsia claimed that the Sox quintet of Beckett-Lester-Matsuzaka-Penny-Smoltz (with Wakefield and Buchholz in reserve) was the greatest rotation ever assembled in the history of the game.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                Yep. There was also some sort of ridiculous meme about DEPTH or something.

                • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

                  Gammons said something about having so much depth they could acquire a Smoak like bat in return.

                  • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

                    Oh, Brad Penny would probably be the best starting pitcher out there, but unless someone comes up with a Justin Smoak, Matt LaPorta or Brett Wallace — which isn’t going to happen — they are going to hold onto Penny, who is two years removed from finishing third in the NL Cy Young race.

                    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....mons_peter

                    Of course he says it won’t happen but insinuating that the only way they keep Penny and his 5.00 ERA which later got DFA’ed is for someone of Justin Smoak’s caliber is really funny.

                    • Chris

                      Hmmm….

                      Smoak: .678 OPS 84 OPS+
                      LaPorta: .668 OPS 88 OPS+
                      Wallace: .615 OPS 70 OPS+

                      Based on results this year, that probably would have been a reasonable trade.

                      (Yes, I know their young and still prospects)

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            For me at least – it basically started last year in the preseason, when a bunch of ESPN analysts and the like were drooling over the Red Sox’s projected rotation of Lester, Beckett, Dice-K, John Smoltz, and Brad Penny. The term “five aces” was definitely tossed around quite a bit. Of course, it didn’t quite turn out that way.

            Anyway, ESPN was doing it before this season too, and again, it didn’t quite turn out that way. Throughout the season, though, there was still a lot of “I’ll take the Red Sox over the Yankees to make the playoffs because the Yankees’ pitching sucks and the Red Sox have FIVE ACES”-type crap, even when the Red Sox were obviously out of it. Even pretty recently during an ESPN game, they were sobbing about how it was so impossible that Boston’s pitching had been so bad this year, because of the FIVE ACES.

            Yeah. (Sorry for the novel.)

            • first time lawng time

              LOL. Thanks to the both of you.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Bill Simmons!

    • Hughesus Christo

      Oh, look! A burnt out Paul Quantrill! How did that happen?

      • vin

        Too soon. still.

  • Dick Whitman

    Where would we be without Brett Gardner?

  • bonestock94

    I just had a vision. AJ Burnett will have a sub-3.5 ERA 20 win season with the Yankees. I am sober.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      The New York Yankees?

      • bonestock94

        Yes. I can fucking see it. Don’t bring your facts into this.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          How sober is “sober”?

          • bonestock94

            I haven’t had an alcoholic beverage in minutes.

            • Jerome S.

              DEAR GOD!

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                (couriers some Jack to bonestock94′s apartment)

    • Jose the Satirist

      One of the RABbis predicted AJ to win the 2009 Cy Young.

      • bonestock94

        They shouldn’t have specified the year, they come out sounding ridiculous like that. They had the right idea though, it’s coming.

        • Jerome S.

          I’ve said it before, AJ Burnett = ALCS No-Hitter.

  • first time lawng time

    Never watched the 2004 ALCS, watching the thing on ESPN right now.

    I am really happy I never had to witness this.

    • Jose the Satirist

      How old are you to have never witnessed it? 12?

      • first time lawng time

        I was like 11 at the time, but I never really followed the Yankees until last year. (By witness, I mean follow in close detail, watch really).

        I knew the Red Sox were in the World Series during the time. And I remember the day after they clinched (I hadn’t known they clinched) my mom was driving me to school and I asked her if the Red Sox won the previous night. And I remember her nodding, saying they won the WS and the look on her face. I also remember feeling crushed.

        Although I didn’t follow them closely, I had a true hatred for Boston.

        • Kit

          So you’re 17? True youngin’! You and Carlosologist are going to get all of us arrested for speaking to you.

          /not how it works

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder
            • Kit

              You bring the wine coolers.

          • first time lawng time

            Haha, yeah I guess we’re the babies of the site. lol

            • Total Dominication

              I’m younger than you.

    • http://twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook fka Johan

      What are you 10? Just kidding

      I was 13 at the time, the only teams I ever remembered being in the WS were the Yankees and whoever else they were playing, so once the epic collapse began, I just ran to my room like the sore loser that I was.

      • first time lawng time

        No. LOL. By “witness” I meant watch. Understand what happened. I was alive actually.

      • Kiersten

        That was me in 2001. I was 12.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      First Yankee series I ever watched. Was about 10 or 11 at the time. Sucky experience.

      • first time lawng time

        Well, on the brightside you’re first series was a crushing defeat. Therefore, you are already experienced with “the worst”. My first postseason was 2009…so yeah IDK what a loss feels like, yet. Although I kinda remember them losing in 2001, but I don’t remember the details.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Just remember:

      The 2004 Yankees team ERA+ was 96. Twelve different men started a game for that team; only three of them had an above league average ERA+ (Lieber’s 104, Brown’s 110, El Duque’s 137 in 15 starts).

      Boston’s team ERA+ was 117. Derek Lowe was the only subpar member of their 5-man rotation.

      Our pythag was 89-73. Boston’s was 96-66.

      We were the actual underdogs in that series. The hidden story of 2004 is that we probably never should have been within three outs of beating the Sox in the first place and Boston almost choked away an ALCS that they should have rolled in.

      • Sheepmeister

        But the bloody sock, damon, and all teh gritzz!!!!!!!!11!!!

      • first time lawng time

        That makes me feel better.
        Shocking that the media fails to mention that…
        /sarcasm’d

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H
      • Jose the Satirist

        Yes, the Yankees were underdogs coming in. But the Yankees should never have choked three outs away.

        • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

          Absolutely. But Boston should never have been three outs away from losing in the first place.

          • ZZ

            The probability of those 2 events occurring are not even comparable.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Nobody is saying that they are.

            • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

              I’m going to point to TSJC’s response snce I agree with him.

              http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....nt-1191408

        • first time lawng time

          But the Yankees Mariano Rivera should never have choked three outs away.
          /being a jerk’d
          //not serious’d
          ///even though it’s kind of true
          ////I’m still confident in Mariano Rivera, don’t get me wrong’d
          /////why am is I still doing this?’d

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Yes, the Yankees were underdogs coming in. But the Yankees should never have choked three outs away.

          No argument there.

          Alls I’m saying is, if there was ever a team who could have come back from the brink (twice), it was a team who was so much more talented that they had no business being on the brink in the first place.

          The 30-for-30 version of the story is “We broke the curse with our grittiness and scrappiness!!!”

          The other version of the story is “This is only significant because this is the ONE time a really good Boston team didn’t choke horribly (like they usually do).”

          • Ivan

            Nice…

          • ZZ

            Eh.

            The Yankees were not that much worse than the Red Sox where it was insane for them to be up 3-0. There likely have been plenty of other underdogs who went up 3-0 on a superior team and closed it out.

            It wasn’t lopsided enough to say they had no business being up 3-0, because of the nature of the postseason and certain statistics + intangibles having a different emphasis in the playoffs than they did in the regular season.

            • ZZ

              I should add where the gap was even wider to the first paragraph.

      • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

        Absolutely.

        As an aside: The 2004 ALCS I remember as being EXTREMELY ntense. The atmosphere was so ludicrously charged up. The result of the series was, in a baseball sense, horribly tragic, but the atmosphere around it was fun.

        That is why the Aaron Boone game is so ludicrously, almost indescribably awesome.

      • ZZ

        You can say that about tons of playoff series. The nature of a short series means that often the less talented team is going to come out on top. That doesn’t justify being 3 outs away from ending the series and choking it away.

        You sound like a Mets or Red Sox fan looking for a moral victory once everything goes wrong again.

        Man up and act like the Yankee fan that you are.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          That doesn’t justify being 3 outs away from ending the series and choking it away.

          I never said that it does.

          Stop arguing against a strawman of my argument. I’m providing historical perspective, not making excuses or justifications.

          We almost beat them. We should have closed it out, we had them on the ropes twice. They wiggled out of it.

          That’s partially due to us choking, and partially due to them being the better team anyway.

      • Kit

        The hilarious thing about this is that my friend had become a Red Sox fan that year and she still chirps on about how she always roots for the underdog, and the Red Sox were the underdog that year. Now I have evidence that she was wrong. I will laugh merrily when I present her with the evidence and see what she says then.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          The Sox were “underdogs” only by virtue of their long history of suckitude.

          In terms of actual on-roster talent, we were the ones facing long odds. Our playoff rotation then was far shakier than the 2010 version.

          • Kit

            But they were all about finally breaking their “curse,” when it was obvious bullshit. They just really sucked for a long time and never wanted to admit it. And yeah, I remember not being confident in anyone that wasn’t Mo.

          • first time lawng time

            Our playoff rotation then was far shakier than the 2010 version.
            Our rotation may be better now than then, but posada sucks now lol whatevs

    • Sheepmeister

      If we would be down 3-0 to the Rangers in the ACLS or Braves in the WS, and came back, should we be surprised since the Yankees are the better team in both cases?

      • ZZ

        Absolutely. Given the probability of coming back down 3-0, we should definitely be surprised if we did.

        • Jose the Satirist

          Probability of better team being down 3-0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probability of better team coming back down 3-0

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Agreed.

            Probability of better team coming back down 3-0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probability of inferior team coming back down 3-0

            ——————

            Also, the Yankee-Red Sox legacy is a TITANIC part of that story. If it was the 2010 Rays who had gotten into a 3-0 hole against the 2010 Rangers in the ALCS and then won four straight to become the first team to ever climb out of that hole, it wouldn’t have NEARLY the same resonance.

            It’d be a great story, but the “amazing choker” and “gritty underdog” aspect would be jarringly absent.

            • Jose the Satirist

              No doubt the teams involved play a huge part in. Everything gets magnified in the Yankee-Red Sox rivalry.

  • ZZ

    Teix is going to have a big ALDS. A you know who big ALDS.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      An A-Rod type ALDS? I hope so. He looked encouraging in the last few games.

      • ZZ

        Probably not that big. I just thought people would find that surprising coming from me, so I posted what I thought.

  • Hughesus Christo

    This film was very well done. I watched because I am an adult.

    • Kit

      I didn’t watch because it’s on ESPN. And giving them ratings only encourages them to continue their Red Sox rock stupidity.

      /half-serious

    • first time lawng time

      I thought it was dumb.

      /immature’d

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I watched because I am an adult.

      Meh. I’d probably have watched if I wasn’t doing something else.

      I’m not going to avoid the film or anything, but I’m not going to break an appointment to watch it either. (For the record, I also don’t watch Yankees Classics or Yankeeographies or the 30-for-30 about Steinbrenner).

      • first time lawng time

        How come?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Don’t care to. I barely have time to watch Yankee games; I have virtually no time for re-viewing of older Yankee memories (no matter how awesome they were).

          • first time lawng time

            Oh. I see. Well I have a lot of freetime, lol, so I genereally can watch everything. And the only Yankees classics I watch are the most recent ones, such as last year’s (the Castillo game is always on lol). Although I have seen some from the late ’90s dynasties.

            • cano is the bro

              ahh the castillo game, i always crack up thinking about that one

    • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

      I’m an adult too, but that doesn’t mean I need to relive something unpleasant because of it.

    • Jerome S.

      From the point of view of an objective baseball fan, that was truly an amazing and historic comeback.
      But I am an irrational New York Yankees fan! Gahhhh!

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        It was a great comeback, but if it was against the Twins or Angels or any other team that wasn’t the Yankees, there’s no way the hysterical fuss is paid to that Red Sox team. For decent reason, but it’s the truth.

    • Carlosologist

      I would have watched but my dad made me change the channel. He said he didn’t want to see any of it.

      (Note: I was 8 when 2004 happened. I’ve never been able to fully understand why we, as Yankee fans, have been unable to move on.)

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        (Note: I was 8 when 2004 happened. I’ve never been able to fully understand why we, as Yankee fans, have been unable to move on.)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_aversion

        (h/t Joe Pow)

      • Jose the Satirist

        I moved on 0.34 seconds after the loss. Shit happens.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Pretty much.

        • Kit

          It took me like all of a day and I cried that night, but I learned that shit happens. Life lessons learned through baseball.

          • Carlosologist

            I’ve learned a lot from this season and from here on RAB. Next season I’m going to keep notes on the comments here and what I learn from the game. Might be helpful for my kids. :p

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Carlosologist got kids already? GOD-DAMN!!!

              • Kit

                You were gone for so long, TSJC. Carlosologist grew up, took your advice and “hit that.”

          • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

            My biggest problem was that was less than two months into my freshman year at a school with plenty of kids from New England, so I had to deal with a lot of “we gawt youh numbahh!” type nonsense.

            • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

              …Except everyone there, like 99% of New England not from South Boston, was faking the accents.

  • Kiersten
    • Kit

      I actually thought that was Tim McCarver’s twitter. Still do.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Still do.

        Awesome.

        #willfulignorancerocks

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Damn you Twitter for including an exclamation point in your new URL format and thus making it non-auto-hotlinkable.

      Here’s a working link

      • Jose the Satirist

        http://twitter.com/#!.....6508191005

        Testing alternate linking method.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Oooh, how did you do that?

          (TWSS)

          • Jose the Satirist

            Ampersand hash 35 semicolon
            Ampersand hash 33 semicolon

            I think you should get what I mean. Probably too much work to do it, but it creates stable links.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Gotcha, thanks.

      • Kiersten

        Thanks for the assist.

  • JerseyDutch

    Is it immature of me to chuckle as I imagine all the Sawx fans that will be bandwagoning for the Twins tomorrow?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      They’ve all moved on to insane racially-tinged man-love for Danny Woodhead.

      (To NFL fans everywhere: We’re sorry that we released him and allowed him to go to Boston and thus created this new football version of Dustin Pedroia media/fan fellation. We didn’t mean for it to turn out this way. We will do our best to crush the Pats dreams later this year to even things out. Sincerely, The Jets.)

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        Danny Woodhead is so good they are getting rid of Moss.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          OH MY GAHD WOODHEAHD IS SO MUCH BETTAH THAN THAT FACKIN DAHKIE

      • bonestock94

        I can’t stop laughing every time I hear the name woodhead. It’s just funny. I might just start calling stupid people “woodhead.”

    • Kiersten

      It’s not really bandwagoning. Every Yankee fan was an Angels/Rays fan in 2008.

      • JerseyDutch

        It’s ok if we do it.

  • Kiersten

    Got tickets to game 1 of the ALCS in Tampa!

    Now everyone root for the Rays. Thanks.

    • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      Sorry but no.

    • Kit

      I can’t root for the Rays. Sorry.

    • bonestock94

      wtf fail

      • Kiersten

        Don’t “fail” me. I haven’t been to a playoff game since 2005 and I used to go every year. I need this, man.

        • Jerome S.

          ” I need this man.”

          Cocaine’s a hell of a drug.

          • Jose the Satirist

            I can quit at anytime.

          • Kiersten

            I was thinking more along the lines of:

            “I dont know Peter, meth is a hell of a drug.”

        • bonestock94

          Oh no, it’s great to go to any playoff game, but root for the Rays!? That’s ridiculousness.

          • Kiersten

            Not against the Yankees!

  • Kiersten

    But I actually bought tickets for a game at the Trop. That must mean I really wanna go.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Or you really love cowbells and old white people.

      • Jerome S.

        and vuvuzelas.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          That was the Marlins.

          • Hughesus Christo

            Florida has TWO teams??? The fu…

      • Kiersten

        oh no the cowbells. maybe I should sell my tickets.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          My advice: start drinking heavily.

          • Kiersten

            Like I need you to tell me that…

    • Kiersten

      reply fail.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    So, predictions for this round.

    NYY over MIN in 4
    TBR over TEX in 5

    PHI over CIN in 3
    SFG over ATL in 4

    If TEX had HFA or ATL could use Hudson before Game 3, I might pick differently. But they don’t and can’t, so I can’t. VERY SHOCKING PICKS I know.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Yankees in 4
      Rangers in 5 (ZOMG!)
      Reds in 5 (DOUBLE ZOMG!!)
      Giants in 5

      #boldanddaring’d

      • Carlosologist

        Do you think there will be a Yanks-Giants World Series? For whatever reason, I find that to be the favored matchup this season.

        • http://twitter.com/firstheart42 seimiya

          That would be awesome, because then I could go to the game (I live about 40 minutes out of SF).

          • Carlosologist

            Take me with you. I can probably pay for a flight out of Jersey and a ticket to Game 1, 2, 6, or 7. :p

            • Kit

              DON’T DO IT SEIMIYA. YOU’RE GOING TO GET THAT GUY FROM TO CATCH A PREDATOR SHOWING UP AT YOUR HOUSE. Hide the wine coolers, that way there’s no evidence!!

              • Carlosologist

                IETC.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                Oh my God this almost made me fall off my chair laughing. Seriously.

              • http://twitter.com/firstheart42 seimiya

                .. well as long as he likes baseball and has a ticket he can come with me anyway. i figure there has to be some sort of fame in saying, “I WENT TO A WORLD SERIES GAME WITH CHRIS HANSON.”

                (oh i’m so sorry i didn’t see this until now)

    • Jose the Satirist

      Mine:
      NYY over MIN in 3
      TBR over BOS in 4

      CIN over PHI in 5
      ATL over SF in 4

      • Kit

        I don’t know if the TBR over BOS is intentional, but I laughed because I think that’s the only way they’d win for sure.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          Boston was handed a playoff spot because it was really unfair how many injuries they had, don’t you think? FRANCONA FOR MOY!!!!

          • Kit

            200000004!!! FOR NARNIA!! I MEAN, BOSTON!!

            *raises fist*

        • Kiersten

          Oh so that thing The Onion was talking about actually worked. Selig agreed to move the Sox to the AL West.

          http://www.theonion.com/articl.....lig,18182/

    • Kit

      I made this bet with my brother so I’ll just use what I predicted:

      NYY over MIN in 4
      TEX over TBR in 5

      PHI over CIN in 4
      ATL over SFG in 5

    • Ivan

      Yankees in 4
      Tampa in 4
      San Francisco in 5
      Phillies in 4

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      You’re the person in NCAA pools who has all #1 seeds going to the Final Four.

      NY over MIN in 4
      TEX over TB in 5

      PHI over CIN in 5
      ATL over SF in 4

    • Carlosologist

      Yanks over Twins in 3
      Rangers over Rays in 5
      Reds over Phillies in 5
      Giants over Braves in 4

      Yanks over Rangers in 5
      Giants over Reds in 4

      Yanks over Giants in 7

      We’re starting the decade strong.

      • Jose the Satirist

        When was the last time a team that scored fewer than 700 runs during the season won the World Series? Hint: 20 years ago

        • Carlosologist

          The 1990 Reds. I would confirm this, but B-Ref is being a bitch so I can’t look.

          • Jose the Satirist

            Yup. How they swept the Oakland A’s I will never know.

            • Carlosologist

              That A’s team was really good. They were odds-on WS favorites for three straight years, but only won one title.

              I guess that’s why you can’t predict baseball…

              • nsalem

                A very similar team to the 1969-1971 Baltimore Orioles. They also one only 1 WS in 3 attempts to supposedly inferior teams. Both teams had great starting pitching and superior power.

    • JerseyDutch

      Yanks in 4
      Rays in 4
      Phillies in 3
      Giants in 5

    • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

      I did this yesterday. I’m not going back and looking for my post, so if there are slight differences, sorry.

      NYY over MIN in 4
      TBR over TXR in 3

      PHI over CIN in 3
      SFG over ATL in 5

      NYY over TBR in 7 (Epic series of epicness)

      PHI over SFG in 5

      NYY over PHI in 6

    • Kiersten

      EVERYONE STOP PICKING THE RANGERS.

      What did I say earlier?

      • Carlosologist

        You have tickets to the Trop. Rays have HFA, so you get two games there guaranteed.

        • Kiersten

          Huh?

          • Carlosologist

            Wait I’m confused too. Did you not say you have tickets to the Trop?

            • Jose the Satirist

              Yes. This exchange was quite confusing.

            • Kit

              If I’m not mistaken, Kiersten said she had ALCS tickets, so that means the Rays have to make out it out the ALDS first, no?

              • Carlosologist

                Oh that’s what I must have confused myself with. I thought she said she had ALDS tickets.

                /reading comprehension fail’d

                • Kiersten

                  Yeah, I have no desire to go see the Rays play the Rangers.

              • Kit

                Did not re-read the last few words of that sentence. Unfortunate.

  • http://twitter.com/firstheart42 seimiya

    I think we can safely say this year has been Swishalicious.

    • Jerome S.

      That.

  • Hughesus Christo

    Things I want to see this postseason:

    1. 28
    2. Melky and the Braves swept before he gets non-tendered and plays for the Long Island Ducks
    3. Lincecum-Halladay NLCS Trilogy
    4. Big Game Dames makes a valiant return.

    • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

      Things I want to see this postseason:

      1. 28

  • Brandon W

    Joba this year, 1.4 fWAR. Joba and his not-amazing 2009? 1.8 fWAR.

    Just, you know, building the case that Joba should go back to the rotation next year (especially if Pettitte doesn’t come back).

    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Well to be fair Joba did have a great season until August. Then he blew up but I agree. He should be back but I doubt he’s in. But thankfully Cash makes the moves and not Eiland.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Pettitte will more than likely be back. Sabathia-Lee-Pettitte-Hughes-Burnett. No room for Joba in there.

      • http://dontbringinthelefty.blogspot.com Lucas AA, aka don’t_bring_in_the_lefty

        A shame, IMHO. He really should be in the rotation, or at least given a chance to compete for a spot.

        • FIPster Doofus

          I’d like to see Joba back in the rotation, but 2012 is probably the earliest it would happen.

    • Jose the Satirist

      Joba 2009 bWAR: 0.1
      Joba 2010 bWAR: 0.4

      • Brandon W

        Thanks, B-R was throwing me errors when I was trying to search for players when I posted that, or else I would have included it for comparison’s sake. The differences there mostly negate the benefit he had on Fangraphs, so even if you assume last season and this season to be equal, it will depend on the next step down (Joba’s value as a starter compared to the next number 5, or as a relieve compared to the next bullpen guy).

    • ZZ

      I’m confused.

      How does this build the case that Joba should go back to the rotation?

      • Brandon W

        That he was more valuable pitching 150+ innings last year than he was pitching 71 this year? I mean, it all depends on the next step down, but D-Rob can handle the eighth, it isn’t some magical inning. I’d rather see Joba than a guy like Nova take the 5th spot if we don’t have both Lee and Pettitte in the rotation.

        • ZZ

          But that is completely without context so it tells you next to nothing in terms of proper team construction. Meaning that in no way should it dictate the role the Yankees put Joba in.

  • http://dontbringinthelefty.blogspot.com Lucas AA, aka don’t_bring_in_the_lefty

    I’m sure somebody’s mentioned it, but WOW, so much Joba in those leaderboards.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Epic Yankees dynasty video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC-VLncTPEs

    Too bad it’s not longer.

    • Kit

      That is seriously epic. Great music too.

      • FIPster Doofus

        I don’t know what it is, but I want it on my iPod.

        • kunaldo

          shazam can’t find it. wop wop.

    • All Star Carl
      • FIPster Doofus

        Yep. That one’s a classic.

  • Carlosologist

    I think the Yanks will be more aggressive with Hughes’ progress this season. He’ll be the number 3 out of ST. CC-Lee-Hughes-Pettitte-Burnett. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

    • FIPster Doofus

      That works.

    • Kit

      I’m thinking number 4, actually, but a rotation of CC-Lee-Pettitte-Hughes- and AJ (hopefully looking better and pitching well after receiving an extended amount of help and guidance), makes me really, really happy.

      • Jerome S.

        LHP-LHP-LHP-RHP-RHP

    • whozat

      More aggressive? How? He’s at the point where he can throw a whole season, so they’ll just let him pitch. The “number” thing…after a week or two, it gets all switched around anyway.

      • Carlosologist

        I meant to put next season. By the time I realized it my three minute editing window was closed. Only reason I put him down as 3 was so the lefties could be broken up.

        • whozat

          Yeah, I read next season anyway :-)

          My point is more…well, what does “more aggressive” even mean here? Letting him throw 200+ innings isn’t aggressive, it’s normal progression.