Yanks want to add another lefty reliever

Who I would trade Phil Hughes for: NL Edition
Cashman: “I would like to always get younger and better”

We missed one little detail in yesterday’s conference call notes, but Pete Caldera saves the day: Brian Cashman said he would like to add another lefthanded reliever this winter. Boone Logan will again be the primary LOOGY next year with Damaso Marte out until after the All Star break, and Royce Ring didn’t exactly impress in his late season cameo.

Looking at the list of free agents, I’d cross guys like Brian Fuentes, Pedro Feliciano, Arthur Rhodes, and Scott Downs off the list. They’ll want too much money (and some are Type-A free agents) for a role designed to throw about about three percent of the team’s total innings next year . More than likely they’ll look at someone from the Joe Beimel/Randy Choate/Dennys Reyes/Will Ohman group. Cheap, short-term commitment, just as likely to be effective (or suck).

Who I would trade Phil Hughes for: NL Edition
Cashman: “I would like to always get younger and better”
  • Gonzo

    Will Ohman FTW!!!
    I always liked him even though he can’t keep batters off the basepaths, which is like very important.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Will Ohman is fantastic.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZWjdDTjtXw (SFW, must-watch)

      • Gonzo


      • Not Tank the Frank

        Holy. Shit. That was priceless.

        “He’s a native of South America… Gregor Blanco.” Aaahahahaha!

        • http://www.twitter.com/astrophunq Dax J.

          Batting 3rd, got a great glove.. Mark Te.. Tex.. Mark is batting 3rd.

  • Tom Zig

    Relievers shouldn’t get type anything status. With that said, could you see the Yanks pursuing Downs if they’ve already signed Lee? They’ll only have to give up a 2nd rounder then.

    • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

      Didn’t a lot of people want to do that with Juan Cruz two years ago?

    • steve (different one)

      *IF* they were able to collect a sandwich pick or two from their bevy of Type B’s (I don’t think it’s all that likely), I would be in favor of signing Downs (if they already signed Lee).

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      With that said, could you see the Yanks pursuing Downs if they’ve already signed Lee? They’ll only have to give up a 2nd rounder then.

      I think I’d rather have the second rounder than gamble multiple years and multiple million per on Downs. He’s good, but he’s not good enough to forgo a 110ish pick AND give one of our divisional foes two more picks before we get on the clock.

      Not for just a lefty reliever.

      • bonestock94

        I want every early pick possible in this epic draft, within reason.

      • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

        Agreed. Let’s not waste it on a LOOGY. They are a dime a dozen. Good LOOGY’s could very well be throw ins in deals like Logan or Dunn. Let’s not grossly overpay especially seeing how quickly relievers change with ineffectiveness or injury. Like Marte.

        • steve (different one)

          Point taken on the draft picks, but Downs is not a LOOGY.

          • Hughesus Christo

            Girardi will make him one.

            Pour one out for Big Game Dames.

      • Ted Nelson

        I would at least want to weight the expected return from signing Downs vs. the late 2nd rounder…

        • Ted Nelson

          If Downs were 28 or even 30, 32 and coming off the last 4 years he’s had I guess I would be a lot more likely to give up the 2nd rounder. Since he’ll be 35 to start next season…

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder


    He held lefties to a .217/.274/.270 this year, and the league doesn’t really have a book on him yet since he’s only been stateside for a year. NPB hurlers usually have two or three years of effectiveness before the rigors of the MLB catch up with them, maybe we can catch lightning in a bottle. He wasn’t bad for the Mets, and we’d only ask him to do what he does best.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      He said that he would be interested in the Yankees if a deal couldn’t be had with the Mets, and I’m pretty sure the Mets want him re-signed. I would love him here though.

    • Andrew

      Doesn’t he have some weird contract status/loophole where the Mets must re-sign him very soon, like by next week, or risk not being able to offer him another contract until May?

      His versatility would be nice, he’s almost a left-handed Aceves in that he can go longer than just LOOGY if needed and has started before. Would be an interesting possibility if available and the price is right.

      • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

        Apparently Alderson is expecting that deadline to be extended by a week, which seems like a good sign that they’ll sign him.

  • bonestock94

    Choate would be good.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      When he’s winning the Yankees games where their bullpen is struggling and he steps up, we can say… FLOAT ON CHOATE!

  • nsalem

    The three percent of pitching time given a LOOGY are often quite
    critical times where outcomes of games are sometimes determined.

    • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

      True but it’s still not worth giving up a high pick when other options could be just as good.

      • nsalem

        Sometimes yes, Sometimes no. In the case of 2004 an alternative to Felix Heredia (who Torre lost confidence in), may have been the difference.

        • whozat

          That’s kind of assuming that everything else up to the point in the game where it “turned” on this LOOGY went the same, though. Add another quality righty to that pen…now the yanks give up fewer runs overall, lessening the impact to the season of the ABs where a loogy might appear. You don’t have the two guys on base at LOOGY time, or you’re up by two runs instead of one, etc, etc.

  • JPK

    who is in AAA or AA??? If we are just in need of a #2 LOOGY why spend too much??

    • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

      No one really. Yankees gave up one of their near LOOGY’s in the Viz trade.

      If something really bad happens ManBan could be a LOOGY in a couple years.

  • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

    It’s truly a shame, for both the Yanks and him, that Scott Downs is a Type A free agent. He’d be great in the Yanks’ pen, but because of that Type A label, he’s going to get no offers.

    • steve (different one)

      agreed. Type A status for a reliever is the kiss of death. he may still get an offer from a team with a protected first round pick though. or he’ll just stay in Toronto, which seems the most likely.

      • whozat

        It seems like both sides might like that ranking system to be revisited in the next CBA. Relievers are getting hosed by the system, and I’m sure GMs would always prefer not to have to deal with losing picks.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      I think a team like Boston might- they could possibly get 4 draft picks if Beltre and VMart leave.
      So while giving up a 2nd (if they sign someone else) for Downs wouldn’t be great, it wouldn’t be as big of a loss relative to the Yankees giving it up.

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        Signing Downs and losing Beltre AND VMart would be horrible asset management. I assume they could just replace Beltre by putting Youk at 3rd and Anderson at 1st, but they don’t have anyone who could fill that catcher spot. They could sign Buck, but I’d rather have VMart

        • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

          You can also say giving VMart 4 years at catcher money is also horrible asset management.

          I’m not saying that’s what they should do, but if they (or another team) stacks up on compensation picks then it’s possible.

          • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

            One too many “also’s” in that first sentence

  • pat

    Too bad WDLR regressed pretty badly this year. I was expecting him in the bullpen by 2011. Oh well.

  • Brian

    Kei Igawa!
    ok maybe not
    out of the four listed im liking Randy Choate the best

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

    If Logan remains effective, it is not necessary to get some superstar LOOGY. We don’t need two LOOGY’s who absolutely destroy (though it would be nice), just one and another to give him rest.

    • Ted Nelson

      Considering that Loogan had easily a career year last season, I’d say regression is pretty likely. I might even say to trade him now while he’s valuable.

      It would have been really nice to have a better lefty reliever than Loogan against the Rangers. Being the Yankees, I wouldn’t mind having one guy that kills and then Loogan as the guy who “gives him a rest.”

  • Neil

    Interesting article here http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=30189

    • JMK

      Except that it isn’t.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      Other pieces that could have been added:
      Gloveless Texas OFers,
      CC’s knee.