Nov
28
Open Thread: Jesus turns 21
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A very happy birthday goes out to the best prospect in the Yankees’ farm system today; Jesus Montero turns the ripe old age of 21. When I turned 21, I was just starting my junior year of college and trying to figure out where the hell my life was going. Montero already has a full year at Triple-A under his belt and is a .314/.371/.511 career hitter with 162 extra base hits in 380 career games. I suddenly feel very inadequate. Happy birthday kid. Make us all proud next year.
Anyway, here’s tonight’s open thread. The late game has the Chargers at the Colts, plus the Knicks and Nets are both in action. Wish Montero a happy birthday and then talk about whatever you want here. Go nuts.
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Jesus = Bust.
/go watch you richard simmons dvd’d
How can I afford it on welfare though?
Jesus = Tony Womack. lol whatevs
IETC
bexrama = mud
Montero is the best bat ive seen in a very long time,was a privellege too see his 2nd half at scranton.2011 rookie of the year with out doubt
Well that’s not very nice.
Please don’t stop posting Mr Moss, this material is classic.
I don’t even know that that means?
must of been alot of ramps at your school
There were. Isn’t it illegal to not be handicap accessible now?
It can be all kinds of trouble if schools aren’t handicap accessible.
This one’s just about as confusing as “go watch you richard simmons dvd”
this is hilariously dumb and offensive on so many levels. not the least of which being that disabilities that would require ramps/wheelchairs are generally completely unrelated to mental capacity.
I find Mr Moss’s comments to be hilariously ridiculous?
I’m Ron Burgundy?
Please don’t ban Mr. Moss. Way too entertaining.
Seriously. Guaranteed comedy gold.
This.
Is it worse to be mud or to watch a Richard Simmons DVD?
What about being a numbnuts ponytail cheerleader who never stops talking about King Felix?
That might be the worst of all. Especially if the school you cheer for has a lot of ramps.
of course jesus will bust.
i’m sick of Jeter swinging at the first pitch,hes washed up,finished. they already offerd him too much mony,its market value.
/Moss’d
i’m loling. thanks guys.
I turned 21 in Lisbon and it was amazing.
Happy Birthday Jesus. Don’t go too crazy tonight.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY,TEH HAY-ZOOS!!!!
I was 21 once. Bout to turn 23 in a few months. I’m about to hit that age where some of the players I like are younger than me. It’s an odd feeling
You know what’s really weird? Realizing you’re much closer in age to the Jeters than the Monteros
Or being closer in age to the Girardis than the Jeters. D’oh!
only one on the yanks older than me is Mo. He’s gotta stick around a couple more years.
I remember when I turned 21. Hazily.
Happy birthday, Jesus!
Cortland Finnegan is a piece of garbage.
I bet Johnson gets fined too. Finnegan should be suspended, but the NFL is more interested in fining players for tweets and other unimportant off-field actions.
Don’t forget people who write stuff on their undershirts. Gotta fine those motherf*ckers
especially when they honor Sean Taylor (am i remembering correctly, Portis?)
It’s not Christmas?
ICWUDT
In Yankeeland it is
December 25th isn’t accurate by some accounts. I guess it was one month earlier.
Happy birthday Jesus.
It’s actually 6 months from when Christmas was originally celebrated, but sure.
I really hate that baseball prospects are usually younger than me now. Is it finally time to give up on my dream of being a MLB player?
It’s never too late. Every spring I grab my glove and hope that I’ve somehow magically gained the ability to throw 95+ over the winter.
Yankees should be in talks with Webb in case Pettitte happens to retire. I don’t think he’ll retire but having all their eggs in 2 baskets for 2 pitching spots is a little risky. I haven’t read anything about the Yankees having interest in Webb which surprises me, since he’s probably the best quality pitcher available if he’s healthy.
Best quality pitcher outside of Pettitte and Lee.*
The “if healthy” part is scary, though. Webb was really good, but dude hasn’t thrown a pitch in the majors for 2 seasons and shoulder injuries are worrisome.
This. I’m not giving him a Major League deal.
Unfortunately, the shoulder is risky but there is not much else available outside of trades.
he’s probably the best quality pitcher available if he’s healthy.
He is, but he’s not. I expect they have some sort of plan involved in case Andy retires AND Lee doesn’t sign. Depending on Webb is a really bad idea, IMO.
No way should the Yankees depend on him. I’m just surprised I haven’t read about Cashman at least contacting Webb. He’s not gonna replace signing Lee, but if the Yankees can’t resign Pettitte and do get Lee, he’d be interesting to look at as a 4/5 pitcher.
Don’t think anybody has any interest in Webb. He was barely cracking 85 at the end of the season
When he was healthy his fastball is usually in the low 90′s. He relies on command and the dipping action of his fastball. Throwing 85 following shoulder surgery is not necessarily a bad sign. That speed could easily come back but I worry more about the movement of his pitches. Either way, I’m surprised Cashman has no interest in him yet.
“That speed could easily come back”
It could just as easily not come back.
He’s not signing until late Jan/early Feb just like Sheets did last year. All he could get is a minor league deal right now, he’ll throw for scouts in a few months and hope that he’s throwing more than 85.
Well theres more to it than in the speed. If he’s throwing 85 with his old motion than it could be a good sign. He could come out throwing 92-93 in January, with a different motion, and I wouldn’t want to touch him. He’s a sinkerball pitcher, so if he’s using the same pitching mechanics and getting the same pitch movement with a decrease in velocity comfortably, I would take a gamble on the guy. If he’s throwing hard with no sink, forget it.
They’ve already said that Webb has to change his arm slot. So yeah he’s going to be throwing mid/high 80s, with a lower arm angle, with less sink.
Minor league deal or pass.
I’m putting a care package together, does anybody have any Frankincense? I’m all out.
Let’s hope this Jesus plays past age 33.
Heh.
Jesus turns 21 … again? I thought that happened like 2000 years ago. I can remember that as if it happened yesterday XD
Your momma’s so old, she was in the 3rd grade with Jesus.
my mama? That was me man, Jez and me were sitting right behind u in 3rd grade. Can’t u remember that? U’re getting old XD
Happy 21st, now trade the guy!
A common theme is popping up in Jeter discussions the past few days. Many fans are arguing that Derek isn’t all that hard to replace, and some go so far as to say the team might be better off swinging a deal for a Drew and deploying that 15-23 mil elsewhere.
My first impression is to say no, but the more I think about it, the harder it is to argue with this line of thinking. The best argument is that Derek’s an iconic Yankee, he’s chasing 3,000 hits (something no SS has ever done) and it’s good business for YES and the Yankees to keep him in the fold for another year or so.
But Baseball wise? I can’t argue with it.
Jeter will almost certainly provide more on field value than almost of the viable alternatives, methinks. Unless he falls off a cliff.
You assume a bounce back, I don’t. I think his bat has slowed and 2010 is the baseline going forward.
I think his bat has slowed down, but I don’t think that explains everything. His BABIP for 2010 was almost 50 points lower than his career BABIP. Theres also this. http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....teinb.html
yankees feminista’d/
Maybe I’m thinking too Michael Kay like, but I don’t know if Drew could handle playing in New York, especially in replacing Jeter. The next shortstop for the Yankees is going to have to face the media comparing him to Jeter. I’m not so sure a guy like Drew could produce the same in the AL East either. He has buttloads of potential but I feel old Jeter could reproduce Drew’s recent numbers very easily.
In all honesty, the next Yankee SS just has to hit. Derek’s glove will be almost impossible NOT to replace with an upgrade.
Agreed but finding a SS that can hit consistently and isn’t just a one year wonder is much much much easier said than done.
Drew’s pretty well known, he’s 27 years old and has 4-5 years in the bigs playing full time. But there’s also plenty of known bats on the FA list, trouble is most are almost as old as Derek.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html
Known bats? Really? I assume you’re just talking about the SS list but there’s no one I would describe as “a bat” there outside of Tejada, who isn’t even playing SS any more (and who probably isn’t a better bet for production than Jeter even if he was).
Right, the SS’s.
I posted in another thread about the upcoming shortstops that could replace Jeter. Drew just hasn’t hit consistently to be worth what Arizona wants for him.
Hanley – He’s getting expensive. Could be available after 2012 in trades. FA in 2015.
Tulowitzki – He’s getting expensive too. He’ll probably be available in trades for 2013. FA in 2014.
Reyes – Should be extended by the Mets if he stays healthy. FA in 2012.
Drew – Available now in trades but ARI wants your entire system. FA in 2013.
Of all those players, assuming Reyes has a full 2011 season, he might make the most sense for the Yankees. Tulowitzki would probably require ungodly things to trade for. A trade would probably start with a catcher and a starting pitcher, which the Yankees can handle.
I’d rather go for Hanley. Tulo si an unkown outside of Coors. He’ll still be good but not worth whatever the cost will be.
I like Hanley too but I think the Red Sox will be willing to trade a lot more than the Yankees. They loved the Beckett trade, but don’t tell me that FO doesn’t regret letting Ramirez go. Every offseason I see articles about the Red Sox eyeing him and they are overdue for a good shortstop. I wouldn’t want to touch them in that bidding war.
We can’t seriously discuss Reyes. The Yanks and Mets will never make a trade of that significance.
I’m referring to a Reyes with “a full 2011 season” on the 2012 FA market. Depends how Jeter handles SS in 2012, but if he looks too old and needs to be moved to OF or DH, Reyes might be the next best option. I don’t see it happening either.
Even at 36 it seems like he’s better than anyone else we could get to replace him. Is he $20 million better? Opinions vary…
I posted this in OT
Any SABR person want to work out my advanced stats for my softball team?
My triple slash was
J. Cecala .324/.425/.471/.896
Need more raw stats.
I could run it through out wOBA calculator, but I need more specifics:,PA, H, 2B, 3B, HR, BB, IBB, HBP, and times reached on an error.
http://leaguelineup.com/teams_.....=278915770
that should have everything
I reached on error like 5-6 times, I never counted that.
You’re Joe Mauer with better on-base skills.
With no power…
First google hit for “wOBA calculator” turned up .397
Probably need to adjust it for league average of other softball players in your league, but my guesstimate would be some where around .380.
wOBA isn’t adjusted. Your .380 figure sounds about right though
Having had the experience of seeing Jesus close up in Scranton-priceless.
I have a signed bat, ball and the memory of his answer when I asked him if he was faster than Posada:
“I no fast.”
Feliz Cumpleanos Jesus!
I won a signed bat on Ebay and am shamelessly awaiting…
Montero will either be like Miggy Cabrera, Victor Martinez or a bust
Frank Thomas at catcher or his entire career is a waste, obviously!!!
You’re crazy!! You don’t know what you’re talking about. Go back to your Richard Simmons DVD’s and homoerotic dreams of Andy Pettitte dude!
/Plethora of memes’d
I miss when Dela G thought I was a guy who “sarcastically lusted after Andy Pettitte”
Depending upon your definition, I’d put his chances of busting at about < 5%. He has a refined opposite field approach, power to all fields, has shown that he is willing to take a walk, doesn't strike out a ton, hits for a high average, in addition to his prodigious power and doesn't have any holes in his swing. Guys like him don't bust. He's too complete of a hitter at such a young age, and he's done it in AAA.
Guys like him don’t bust.
While I don’t think he will bust, until he does it in the Show, I remain cautiously optimistic.
Do the names Clint Hurdle and Gregg Jeffries ring a bell?
Frenchie?
Montero will either be like Melky Cabrera or Buck Martinez
Fixed that for ya.
http://www.baseball-reference......bu01.shtml
Stevie you’re my boy and all, but don’t go dropping any more 40 yard TD passes.
Ugh. That must be eating him alive this moment. Poor Bills.
Steve Johnson is still a WR START going forward. At least for me he is.
Who of the following players do you believe will be signed at the Winter Meetings?
Jayson Werth
Carl Crawford
Cliff Lee
Carl Crawford
Adrian Beltre
Rafael Soriano
Derek Jeter
Paul Konerko
Mariano Rivera
Carlos Pena
Rivera seems like the most likely in my opinion just because he is not asking for a ridiculous demands like some other Yankees and more importantly is still the best at what he does. I would say 2/32-33 for Rivera and I think Lee, Crawford, and Soriano sign shortly after to the Yankees and the latter two to the Angels.
Rivera seems like the most likely in my opinion just because he is not asking for a ridiculous demands like some other Yankees
$18M+ per year for a reliever = ridiculous.
Not when your the greatest closer of all time…and still getting it done
No, it’s still ridiculous.
No Moss, its ridiculous.
You want to see Joba closing in 2011?
Nice strawman there.
We’d buy someone.
*thinks*
Nope, still ridiculous.
Hey Pat=word
So this MR Moss guy is awesome, Posada sucks lol whatevs.
Jesus’ birthday is today and God’s is tomorrow? Can we get God a new contract? Please whomever is higher than God.
Gun to your head:
1. Jeter for four years and 80 million dollars
2. Jeter leaves and the Yankees pursue other SS not in the current top 4 of MLB right now and also not Nunez.
OK, a rattlesnake bites your best friend in the dick. Do you watch him die or suck out the poison?
Gun to your head.
Rosie O’Donnell or Roseanne Barr?
Barr, I might actually laugh.
I take the gun to my head.
Well played.
Touche
It was the ‘gun to your head’ part that got me going.
I’d ask him what the hell his dick was doing out dangling in front of a rattlesnake.
He was taking a leak in the desert.
While it would be horrible for 2011, I’d have to go with 2. Jeter in four years for $20 million? That will be a lot worse than no Jeter in 2011.
Jeter, the other SS suck outside of the top 4. This is unrealistic though, because no team will come close to that offer, and so the Yankees don’t need to do it.
Brandon Webb was putting together a HoF caliber career. Right? He had a 3-season stretch of posting a WHIP no higher than 1.20. Webb already has the best sinker in baseball, so all the man needs is to get his velo back to the low 90s. I believe he can still be a winning pitcher, but he’ll probably end up in SEA on a 1-year deal.
Nice of you to believe that. His low 80′s mph arm believes otherwise.
Shoulders are very, very tricky. Guys come back from TJ at 85-90% rate, some throwing better than before. Shoulder operations are around 50% and many who do return are never the same.
Unless it is a minor league deal then there is no way. His arm probably never comes back.
Rather see CMW back than sign Webb
He could be a great pickup, a third ace for the Yankees, assuming they sign Lee. He could also be a 2008 Wang. I still think Cashman should be talking to him with the dry starting pitcher market. Yankees need to scout him.
CMW was brilliant when healthy…and had the composure for NY
So was Vazquez…
Vazquez LOL….Vazquez is a wart on M Kays ass
all the man needs is to get his velo back to the low 90s
Wayyyyy easier said than done
he’ll probably end up in SEA on a 1-year deal.
After the Bedard saga I think Seattle is probably a little gun-shy toward injury-prone pitchers.
Webb pitched at around 88 MPH in 2008 (his last healthy season). His agent said a few weeks back that he was somewhere around 81-85, so I think he could work with slightly reduced velocity.
It all depends on his mechanics. Is he throwing 85 the same way he threw 88 in 2008? If he doesn’t have the same sinker, I don’t want him. If he does and its only 85, its an interesting gambler.
Jesus= Does not exist.
Then we are really going to be hurting for a catcher.
He just turned 21 so go on a scientology blog for this kthx. No one likes your comments.
Calm down, he’s probably joking.
He’s not unless he’s a different ‘Chuck’ saying God does not exist for the past month.
No, he isn’t joking. He does this all the time.
If that’s the case, there’ll be a lot of passed balls next year.
He certainly does. There’s a picture of him at the top of the page
I do not think Jeter is $19-20M a year better than Eduardo Nunez over the next 4 years. We can spend the money elsewhere and still win the WS without Derek.
/blasphemy
I don’t know the economics of it, but I bet that Jeter is $19-$20M a year better than Nunez based on revenue. Nunez will bring in close to anything, while Jeter will sell loads of jerseys, ads, and Ford Edges.
Eduardo Nunez couldnt sell ONE Ford Edge
Jesus sells.
/end of discussion
Yankees without Jeter in 2011= Blasphemy
People keep saying this. On who? Yeah, I know we never really know the trade market so we don’t know who would get traded and need an extension. I don’t really want to sign Crawford or Werth considering what they’re looking for. Spending it on DH-types like Dunn probably isn’t wise considering how next year’s team looks. It’s not worth it spending that money on relievers or bench guys. Lee’s already gettin’ paid.
The fact remains, Derek Jeter fits what the Yankees need a lot better than any other free agent available, IMO. Obviously this doesn’t mean PAY HIM WHATEVER HE WANTS~~!!!!
Is Jesus, who has never played one game for the Yankees, more popular here at RAB than Derek Jeter ?
/just asking’d
Right now yes.
Grass is always greener.
I guess im just super-loyal. Which is why im still married even though women throw themselves at me all the time
/dellusional’d
This is why your wife threatens to kill you, Slappy.
(Random ass appearance I’m making here)
Hardly
I giggled. “Ass-appearance” would be entertaining for most people though.
I miss the regular xkcd
Me too. Hopefully he randomly thinks of a few gems in the course of taking care of whatever he is taking care of, and when he comes back there will be a string of brilliant comics.
Come baaaaaack you are missed
(Unless you are are busy/having a life.)
Aww…and nah, I’m not busy, there’s just been so much crazy lately, discourages me from getting involved.
What, you don’t want to be told to watch you Richard Simmons DVD?
Seriously, where the fuck did that even come from? I spent like ten minutes laughing about it and I still have no idea what the purpose was. Like was that meant to be an insult?
I have absolutely no idea. It was hilarious though. I’ve been insulted kind of weirdly this last month or so (numb nuts!) but this was just… I don’t even. The “you” was really the cherry on top IMO, though.
Lets get back in the crazy. Crazy is Fun
There’s a difference between “fun” crazy (Mr. Moss) and “psychotic, get angry and write 100 comments per thread stating the same opinion over and over” crazy. Too much of the latter lately.
I only like the FUN crazy
Agreed. The “fun” crazy is really fun though.
This.
My first time here in awhile. I forgot how fun it was to read some of this stuff
We used to have so much fun, Slappy. *choke sob*
I miss you sooooo much. Please come back……pleeeeease
/drunken sobbing while remembering “the good ole days”
I just made a twitter and added a tried to add a few people on here. If you got one, add me: bryanl26
*BryanL26
If you go to my page (@mikeaxisa), and just scroll through who I’m following, you can find a bunch of cool people to add. Easier than naming than one by one.
about the all-time yankee team: who’s the DH? i’m leaning towards mattingly over reggie here
http://www.baseball-reference......ch01.shtml
bold, also after 2010 cano should have taken 2B from joe gordon
Bottom line, I don’t think Jackson played long enough in pinstripes. 4.5 years, less than 3000 PAs…plus, Keller was better anyway. The 8 point lead in SLG isn’t nearly worth the 30 point OBP tradeoff (Yankee numbers only).
it’s too bad he’s not a righty, or we could be talking about a king kong/godzilla platoon situation here
looking at kellers numbers compared to giambi’s, they are very very close in career stats. it would be tough to pick a better fit, although i’d assume keller is a better baserunner than giambi would be so you might defer against the power hitter in the case that the yankee all-timers would be so loaded with that already
http://www.baseball-reference......ja01.shtml
Those are some badass numbers.
Plus a .438/.471/1.188/1.658 for the 1939 WS (would have been MVP if that existed then) and .306/.367/.611/.978 over four WS
keller career OPS: .928
giambi career OPS: .928
although b-ref gives keller an OPS+ of 152 over giambi’s 142 FWIW
Jason Giambi was pretty good in his heyday. He posted a .400+ OBP in four of his eight seasons here. That’s pretty damn good.
Matsui was pretty good… I always considered Mattingly more of a 1B and Reggie more of an OF… When you think about it, the bench for the all time Yankee team can make you LOL.
I have 2 weeks and 2 days left of being 21. Sad
In other news, how is Jesus’ English? I should drive down to Tampa in February and pick myself up a future millionaire.
It is supposedly pretty good and getting better all the time! His parents, however, will have a difficult time conversing with their future daughter-in-law.
I have 9.5 months longer than you! aha!
On your other note, you should practice up on some dance moves and Spanish because there is a good chance he will be at a Robinson Cano level English which is pretty funny to watch during the post games.
I remember after he hit for the cycle, Melky pulled over Robbie to “translate” for the interview. Blind leading the deaf.
22 is a great year. 26 is the age where birthdays stop being fun
Not looking forward to 22. But 20 was a great year for me, so you never know.
Montero looks at least 23. No way he’s 21 that’s total b.s.
So there’s a two year difference, big whoop. For all we know we might get Buster Posey type production next year.
This is what makes me smile despite neither Jeter or Rivera having resigned, Cliff Lee still a free agent, and Joba looking at any career in New York as a reliever.
The guys from Venezuela fudge their age too? That would suck.
He doesn’t look older than 21 though, imo.
Greg Oden looks 35. Are you saying he’s not based on how old he looks?
35? I think you’re being generous. But yeah.
Greg Oden hasnt looked 35 in 10 years
I’m 21 and In the past few months I’ve been told I look 19 and 23. What’s your point?
Are you making reference to when the Yankees lowered his signing bonus without explanation when they signed him?
Vincent Jackson goes a whole 3 plays before he left the game tonight. Impressive outing.
It’s too bad Montero isn’t a closer. The NY Post headlines would be epic — “Jesus Saves!”
I dunno, we have God in the pen for a reason.
God and Jesus as Battery-Mates, who plans these things?
No worries, they’ll break that one out for his walk-off hits.
I CAN’T HANDLE THIS.
It’s already enough that it’s November and I have to get a headache from all the hot stove rumors, now everyone is convinced that Jon Gruden has sign a contract to coach the Hurricanes, but it hasn’t been confirmed yet. SOMEONE EITHER CONFIRM OR DENY IT PLEASE!!!!
Deep breaths, it’s only a game that doesn’t really affect your life.
<— I say this to myself between August and November
I really hope he gets a coaching job so he won’t be on MNF anymore.
My buddy and I joke how he tries to compliment every NFL player in existence.
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.c.....idiculous/
Yeah there are things coming from both sides, I’ve seen it all.
I don’t wanna believe anything prematurely, but it seems to me that some info has been leaked by players and/or Board of Trustee members and because it’s not a done deal, no one from UM nor Gruden himself has said anything.
Someone made a good point, why would Miami abruptly fire Shannon like that in the middle of recruiting season if they didn’t have someone lined up to take over?
Also, linking to Fanhouse is like linking to Bleacher Report. and there’s no paper called “The Fort Lauderdale Sun Sentinel.”
Happy Birthday Jesus!
Looking forward to your Hall of Fame career in pinstripes and to the day they retire your number. I hope to be at many of the games when you’re invoking memories of Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Manny Ramirez and Miguel Cabrera.
No pressure.
I decided I could handle the Joe Girardi thread at NYYFans, at long last. Oh my God. No, I can not.
Do you want a brillo pad for your eyes? I hear whats seen there can typically not be unseen.
Of effing course the Chargers put up 30+ points and Rivers has less than 200 yards and no TD’s. Grrrrrrrrrrr
Exactly what I’m going thru. WTF.
And now Peyton is throwing the ball down the field. Fucking shit I hate fantasy football so much.