Nov
16

Open Thread: On Upton … and Corpas

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Yes, the Yankees spoke to the Diamondbacks about The Justin Upton today, as did the Red Sox and I’m sure a host of other teams. When you put a guy that talented on the market, you should expect 29 phone calls, if not more. I’ll have a post on Upton up tomorrow morning, I promise, but for now I’ll leave you with Dave Cameron’s take on the matter.

One player I do want to quickly talk about reliever Manny Corpas, who the Rockies released today. He had Tommy John surgery late in the year and will miss basically all of 2011, but signing him would be a move geared towards 2012 and beyond. Assume he agrees to a minor league contract and rehabs next season, pretty much unavoidable at this point, he’ll still be under team control in both 2012 and 2013. Corpas isn’t the high strikeout guy the Yankees like to have on their staff (6.48 K/9 career), but he’s a ground ball beast, at least until year when his grounder rate dipped to a career low 42.5%. He’s generally at or above 50%, so perhaps the decline is injury related. Even though he has a ton of late game and closing (and World series!) experience (3.82 FIP career), I’m thinking about Corpas as just another middle innings guy to add to the inventory. They could go the Jon Lieber/Octavio Dotel route and let him rehab for a year before giving him his real chance.

Anyway, that’s my hot stove musing of the day. Here’s the open thread. The only local team in action are the Knicks, who are way out in Denver and don’t start for another few hours. I have no idea how to entertain myself tonight. Hopefully you have better luck, and if you do, spill the beans here. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread
  • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

    His name is OMAR! INFANTE!

    What the hell are the Marlins doing?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      He was an All-Star, JGS. AN ALL-STAR!!!

      (swoons)

      Sincerely,
      Larry Benifest

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        Fun fact: Infante’s .321 batting average this year is (even after this year) higher than his career OBP (.319)

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          We laugh, but Infante’s actually been worth 4.8 WAR over the past three years (half of that coming in 2010).

          He’s not a worldbeater, but he’s a really valuable player, especially for a team like the Marlins who lack a multitude of good infield options outside of HanRam.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            especially for a team like the Marlins who lack a multitude of good infield options outside of HanRam.

            If only they had a constant 30-HR 2B :(

            (Yes I know he’s poor defensively and I think he’s a FA after this year… so is Infante. Infante’s not useless, but I seriously think the Marlins would’ve been better off getting the picks after 2011.)

          • Chris

            Too bad the Marlins don’t have a second baseman that can hit 30 HR a year.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            But Infante is also a free agent after next season, just like Uggla is. Omar seems like an awfully weak haul for contract-year Uggla. Then again, look at what they got back for Miguel Cabrera.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              All of these deals together seem to indicate they’re trying to stealthily slightly decrease (or at least hold steady) payroll without doing their standard “go long on pork-bellies” grab bag of talented but far away prospects.

              They’re playing both sides, trying to still build a winning team for 2011 and 2012 to move into the ballpark with a modicum of success and not run afoul of Selig’s admonition to raise payroll. Move the pieces that can be moved and get veterans who can contribute right away.

              (FWIW, Infante and Dunn together probably equal Uggla in terms of bWAR or fWAR. And they’re cheaper.)

              It’s not as bad of a deal as it looks. It’s an undersell, but that’s because we probably have a different short-term and long-term set of goals than what the Marlins braintrust does.

              • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

                Plus, they might have a better chance at extending Omar Infante for cheaper. No way is any team giving Uggla $70M guaranteed, unless someone puts Omar Minaya back in charge.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  That too.

                  This is a little like the Haren for Saunders/Skaggs/Corbin/Rodriguez swap. People killed the deal because it was easy to kill it because the guy they traded away is demonstrably better than the main guy they acquired, but when viewed in light of the team’s actual strategic plan, the swap makes much more sense and is eminently defensible.

                  You can quibble about the intelligence of that strategic plan in general, but the deal as made makes sense inside that plan. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see the Marlins get more from Infante and Dunn combined over the next year or two or three than they’d get for Uggla alone.

                  • Jimmy McNulty

                    I’m pretty sure the Angels could have gotten more than that for Dan Haren, much like the Marlins could have gotten more than Infante for Uggla.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      I know that. My point is, the “more” they could have gotten doesn’t really fit their organizational needs as much as the “less” packages they actually got. The more they could have gotten wouldn’t have contributed until further down the line, and they needed immediate contributions.

                    • Jimmy McNulty

                      They lost 92 games, their organizational needs are everything.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      /boversimplify’d

              • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                (FWIW, Infante and Dunn together probably equal Uggla in terms of bWAR or fWAR. And they’re cheaper.)

                Uggla was worth 5.1 fWAR this season, even with his horrendous defense. Infante was worth 2.7.

                Infante also had a BABIP 42 points higher than his career norm (.355 vs. .313) despite a lower LD% (18.6% in 2010, 21.3% overall) and much higher GB% (47% in 2010 vs. 37.4% for his career). As for Dunn, I would be very surprised if he puts together 1.0 fWAR or better next year.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  And on bWAR, Uggla was worth 3.7. Infante (2.9) and Dunn (0.4) were worth 3.3 combined.

                  Uggla also hit a bit over his head, as well. .330 BABIP v. a .302 career norm.

                  I also expect Infante to regress back to 1.5 WAR levels, but all I’m saying is, the step backwards between total net production from Uggla to Infante and Dunn will probably be smaller than people think. And don’t forget that the bullpen pitcher that Dunn displaces himself may actually have been a below-replacement player, to boot.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Corpas, yes.

    Upton, aw hells naw. He’s the absolute shit, and thus, he’ll be way, way, way too expensive in terms of prospects.

    Seriously, people, stop. A Swisher or Gardner centric package isn’t getting it done. Put down the crack pipe. Arizona wouldn’t be interested, at all.

    • Anthony Murillo

      BUT KEVIN TOWERS IS BFF WITH CASHMAN

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        I know you were joking, but in all seriousness, Towers’s involvement is just as likely a negative and not a positive.

        Since he was employed by us and participated in organizational meetings and decisionmaking sessions, he knows our players firsthand and is less likely to take a grabbag of our crap. He’ll hold out for our actual blue-chip prospects (that he’s seen personally) that he knows we really love.

        • Chris

          He’d also have a couple of throw-ins that he watched pitch and will most likely turn into useful major league relievers, but which the Yankees are very down on. So not only are the Yankees going to fight a battle at the top of the deal, but they’re also probably going to get hosed at the bottom of the deal.

    • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

      Not even Alan Horne?

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      There is NO WAY that the White Sox would trade Nick Swisher, after a down year for Betemit + prospects. Just stop it people!!!

      /Youcan’tpredcitbaseball’d

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Yes, because Nick Swisher was homegrown, 23 year old former #1 overall draft pick who produced a .287/.361/.489 (121+) over the past two years when he was traded away at below-market rates.

        Excellent comp. Because the White Sox gave up on Nick Swisher after a single down year when he clashed with the manager after being asked to change the way he played, the Diamondbacks are going to cut bait on their homegrown superstar whom they nurtured and made the face of their franchise. Those situations are totally and utterly analogous.

        • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

          Fact: Justin Upton has over 1700 Major League plate appearances, posting a 112 OPS+ in his career. At the same age, Nick Swisher wasn’t even in the major leagues yet.

        • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

          It wasn’t meant as an analogy as much as an example that attempts to refute your impossibility clause.

          I am not even in disagreement with your opinion. Only with the apparent certainty with you stated it.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            I am not even in disagreement with your opinion. Only with the apparent certainty with you stated it.

            If I’m curt with you, it’s because time is a factor. I think fast, I talk fast and I need you guys to act fast if you wanna get out of this.

            So, pretty please… with sugar on top: clean the fucking car.

            • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

              Well, let’s not start sucking each others dicks quite yet.

        • radnom


          Those situations are totally and utterly analogous.

          Sure, but you’re attacking a point that Mike R wasn’t making. Nice job doing that though.

          Its always valid to point out that we as fans have no freaking idea how individual teams value their own player and our prospects. A lot of the time we can guess kind of close, but sometimes the fanbase has ZERO idea of the actual value of these guys. The Nick Swisher trade is valid to bring up simply because of the ridiculously wide gap between the fans value of the players involved and what actually happened.

          Also, its a recent example that we are all familiar with. Had someone suggested the Swisher trade proposal prior to it happening, any well reasoned fan working with all possible available knowledge would have dismissed it out of hand, like you’re doing here. Thats the point – we have only a tiny fraction of all the information available. On a comparative scale you and I are only slightly at evaluating trade proposals than the average troll. We just don’t know.

          • radnom


            I am not even in disagreement with your opinion. Only with the apparent certainty with you stated it.

            After writing all that, I’m glad I interpreted you correctly, Mike :)

    • Kevin Ocala, Fl

      Upside? Legions of 23 year old “can’t miss” players. Even more that augered it in. The Yanks have a great, cheap outfield. They have a player in Montero (which is pretty nice since he will play catcher). that “will” be a greater hitter than Upton I say that w/confidence because Upton is a K machine who is helped by dry Arizona air and having great speed. The “Killer-B’s” should be left the hell alone, unless they bring in King Felix. Nuff said…

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        They have a player in Montero (which is pretty nice since he will play catcher). that “will” be a greater hitter than Upton I say that w/confidence because Upton is a K machine who is helped by dry Arizona air and having great speed.

        This is just setting yourself up for tremendous disappointment.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Squishy Jello Person

    From Crasnick “The Marlins asked for Martin Prado in exchange for Uggla and were told no, then shifted their attention to Infante, says a source”

    Nuñez and Joba for Josh. Get ‘er done, Cash…

  • Robert

    Banuelos, Brackman, Romine, and Gardner for Upton. Done deal.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      (hangs up)

      Sincerely,
      Kevin Towers

      • TOMACONDA

        Not sure he would hang up but he might want to change the name Romine to Jesus.

      • radnom

        2 top 100 pitching prospects, an above average MLer at a position of need and a decent catching prospect?

        I think this starts a conversation that leads nowhere, but doesn’t get an immediate hang up. Swap Romine with Montero and you get a package better than anything they are going to get from anyone else (and one that is too costly for my blood).

    • pat

      How about not.

    • Sheepmeister

      And after Towers stops laughing hysterically, he asks “No, Brian, seriously, what’s your offer?”

      • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

        Then Brian does his best impression of Theo’s voice and offers Felix Doubront, Lars Anderson and Josh Reddick.

        Towers throws in Stephen Drew before who he thinks is Theo can change his mind.

    • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

      How about Montero Gardner Nova Brackman…

      Upton is 23 and cost controlled for 5! years. No way hes coming cheap. I am not even sure what I said would do it.

  • pete

    Acquiring Upton would probably cost something like this:

    Cano, Hughes, Joba, Montero, Banuelos, +

    No thanks.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      He’s Justin Upton fer crissakes, not Babe Ruth.

      That said, I believe a realistic offer starts with Hughes and Montero, and then 2 legitimate prospects, like the Killer Bs (not Nova & Nunez).

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        Translation: realistic offers start at such a high price that it isn’t worth it.

      • pete

        I could see Cano, Hughes, Montero, Banuelos + getting it done, but that’s probably as low as the price is going to get.

        Arizona has absolutely no reason to get rid of him apart from being floored by a package of high-upside major league ready talent. Hughes + Montero + Banny + Brack probably isn’t a good enough reason to do it.

        • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

          Hughes + Montero alone would be a bad deal for the Yanks. Upton’s talent is otherworldly, but there’s still a large gap between his current value and the value you’d want him to have in order to give up Hughes and Montero.

          Justin Upton is not getting traded, unless Tampa Bay offers Hellickson, Moore, and Jennings. But that would be retarded for TB as well. So nevermind.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          Well, Cano and Hughes alone probably would be plenty for Justin Upton. Despite a .354 BABIP Upton still had a 3.1 WAR and a .349 wOBA. You guys are overrating the hell out of Justin Upton, seriously. Athletic toolsy outfielders with high strikeout rates: Grady Sizemore, Matt Kemp, Curtis Granderson, BJ Upton, and Adam Jones all say hi.

          I mean, Upton’s much more talented than all of those guys…but still, he’s not without risks. That’s way too big of a package. Stop being idiots.

          • pete

            my point wasn’t about Upton’s production, it was about what it would cost to get him.

            The D-Backs would need to not only improve from an Upton trade, but to be better than they likely could be in the next 5 or so years with Upton. Remember, they’d be getting only a couple years of Cano, there’s no DH in the NL so they would have to either have Montero play 1st or depend on him catching, and Hughes would be a quality starter out there, but he’s not an ace at this point, and there’s no guarantee he develops into one.

            Obviously, what I suggested would be a silly trade, a lopsided trade, and a trade that the Yankees would have to be incredibly stupid to make. That was my point. It will take a silly trade for any team to get Upton right now.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    So today was a fun, fun, fun, fun day on RAB. O______O

    also MarLOLins

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joe Pawlikowski

    Just wanted to take a moment to say fuck you to everyone who hijacked the last thread. I don’t care if you think Feliciano is boring. That was the post.

    If you respect our guidelines, you won’t post off-topic. Further, if you respect our guidelines you won’t respond to off-topic posts. We have a whole off-topic thread.

    • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

      Joe’s gonna show these dudes how to rumble.

    • pat

      Awesome.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I apologize for replying to one of the off-topic posts in that thread. I came late and responded to the first one, not reading through the rest of the comments and realizing the thread had become a clusterfuck.

      Sorry, Joe.

      • Xstar7

        I’m glad I didn’t post a comment on that thread

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          You were too busy worrying about 2004, still

    • FIPster Doofus

      Agreed.

      That thread escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast.

      • cano is the bro

        haha nice anchorman reference

    • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

      Tell us how you really feel, Joe.

    • ultimate913

      Damn. I just checked. That topic was hi-jacked to the max.

    • TOMACONDA

      and to think this is only the beginning of the Hot Stove season. Im going to email you a bottle of Tequila!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        I have several email addresses, TOMACONDA. Please send me multiple bottles. Thank you in advance.

    • Avi

      Joe, Sorry for posting the Uggla trade. I saw the guys talking about Upton already so figured what the heck. I won’t break a topic again. It’s a total lack of appreciation to what you do if we don’t follow the guidelines you set.
      Request: Can we have an open thread whenever news breaks? I mean if the Yankees all of the sudden get Pujols guys are going to want to know about it right away and talk about it.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        There’s a perpetual open thread here:

        http://riveraveblues.com/off-topic-8/

        And if that’s not good enough, when news breaks, email one of the RABbis, they’ll probably throw a post together for you in no time. They’ve happily done it before.

        • Avi

          Yeah but people on the current thread I think want to know about breaking news and if it’s juicy enough, would rather talk about it than talk about an average topic.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Then email and request a new post.

            • Avi

              Takes too long. I mean if something big breaks in the middle of a perfectly normal Pedro Feliciano type thread, people are going to want talk about it.
              I just think it’s a good idea to have something other than the off topic thread where nobody is. Maybe something like announce the news on the current thread and go to the off topic thread to discuss it.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joe Pawlikowski

                Or just go to the off-topic thread. There’s a nice big link right on top of the page.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joe Pawlikowski

            The threads are meant for discussion of the topic. As Tommie noted, there’s an off-topic thread for topics not covered by any of the current posts. Please use it.

            And this wasn’t juicy enough to warrant a post at all. New GM said he’ll listen on a player he inherited. Wow. Big whoop. Happens all the time in the off-season.

  • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

    1) lol marlins!

    2) LOL MARLINS!

    3) I like Manny Corpas, reminds me of a much better version of Albaladejo before he transformed himself. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Yankees get Corpas at all.

    4) I doubt Upton is on the block or that Towers really intends to trade him. If he does intend to trade him; however, I think it’s only fair he gives his former employer the best chance to get him. =)

    • Ray the Anti-Handle

      You forgot:

      5) LOLZ MARLINS!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Justin Upton is available in the same way that Jesus Montero has been available for the past two years.

      He’s available, but only for Cy Young/MVP/Top 3 in his position kind of players.

  • mustang

    The starter-or-reliever questions are official finished for Joba Chamberlain. “Joba to the pen,” Cashman said. “We made that decision after spring training. We’re not looking to put it back. We told him in the spring, you’re a reliever now. That’s it.”

    My condolences to the stater guys.

    Some good stuff here:

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....kees+Blog)

    • mustang

      to the Joba starter guys.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        It’s still dumb.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          +62

        • mustang

          Maybe but THANK GOD its finally over.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            I have a hard time celebrating dumbness winning. I’d rather keep fighting on behalf of smartness, even if it’s relentlessly tiring.

            • mustang

              I’m not celebrating anything just really tired of the whole argument. Somewhere along the line this took a US (RAB and blogs types) vs. THEM (Mike Francesca and press types) and spin off to a personal battle.
              Neither side will ever admit the other being right regardless.

              • mustang

                “I have a hard time celebrating dumbness winning”

                This statements speaks volumes I’m sure the other side doesn’t see it as dumbness.
                Its like the song that never ends;
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTxr2NJHa0

                I’m just happy the song is over.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  This statements speaks volumes I’m sure the other side doesn’t see it as dumbness.

                  Sure, dumb people often don’t recognize their own dumbness.

                  • mustang

                    And I’m sure there is shit load of knowledgeable baseball people who say the same of your side.

        • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

          Dumb is too kind a word.

        • Chris

          Let’s see him succeed as a reliever before we call it dumb.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      ::pours one out for Joba::

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Trade him now. I want to see someone liek the Dodgers make him a viable 3rd starter to spite the Yankees on this shortsightedness.

      Waste of talent. I’m looking foward to all of the Killer B’s never pitching one inning as a starter.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    I’m looking for the picture of Lee in a Yankee cap. I’ve seen it floating around, but with no luck.

    Also, I will JIMP if the Yanks somehow acquire Justin Upton.

    • FIPster Doofus
      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        YAY! Thanks.

        (cherishes photo until Winter Meetings)

    • mustang

      I’m officially in the ” The Yankees will get Upton” club.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      I’ve never seen the photo, but I can photoshop one if you want…

      and I, too, might jimp, but more than liely I will jump. I really doubt Upton gets traded at all.

    • http://theblogthatruthbuilt.com Craig

      Nevermind JIMPing. I’m going to SIMP.

  • Fellow Reader

    Infante is a FA after the year just like Uggla I believe. Mike Dunn is not, but they could have gotten another year of Uggla production which is >>>>>> Infante Production, then let Uggla walk and gotten teh picks!1!!…Not sure I get it.

    • vin

      “Not sure I get it.”

      You’re absolutely not alone. And to trade him within the division to boot. Strange.

  • vin

    Regarding Upton:

    He’s under contract for 5 more years. He’ll only get somewhat expensive in 2014 and 2015 (still probably underpaid). Surely Towers and Co. have a plan in place to be competitive by then.

    The only reason they should entertain the thought of trading Upton now (who is coming off a bit of a down year) is to try to get a Hershel Walker Deal-type return. If they don’t think they can stockpile enough talent to be comeptitive in the next 3-4 years without moving Justin, then by all means trade him.

    If Towers is going to use Upton to re-tool the entire franchise, then no amount of Gardner, Swisher or Hughes will suffice. He won’t be interested in anyone making real money, as well as players who are beyond their 1st or 2nd pre-arbitration seasons.

    Think about how much Texas got back in the Teixeira trade. And that was with Tex being a year and a half away from a MONSTER free agency payday. Upton is younger, and is signed to a very reasonable, long-term deal.

    Every team should be in on this trade… and for once, the financial strength of the Yanks won’t help them here. It’ll be all about their willingness to part with their best prospects, and if they have enough of the right players to begin with.

    • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

      The cost to the Yankees is prohibitive enough even if we didn’t have a good outfield, which we do. Good is probably underselling them, too.

      The Yankees don’t need nor should they want Upton considering his price and their current situation in the outfield. The end.

      • vin

        Exactly. The Yanks aren’t a Justin Upton away from being a WS contender. There’s not point in dealing away guys like Banuelos, Montero, Sanchez, etc.

        Fortunately, the Yanks have enough guys in and around their primes who can carry the team – Cano, Tex, CC, Swisher, Granderson, Gardner – and bridge the gap to the next generation (Montero, Hughes, Sanchez, B boys, etc.).

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      /truthbomb’d

  • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

    My ‘First Time Lawng Time’ post for today:

    http://omg.yahoo.com/news/juli.....l/50718?nc

    OMG, RYAN SEACREST’S GF IS SOOOO PRETTY, MUCH BETTER LOOKING THAN THOSE SKANKS MILEY CYRUS, MEGAN FOX AND TAYLOR SWIFT!

    =P

    • first time lawng time

      Hahaha I had no idea they were dating. Thank you for that.

      And why would anyone date Ryan Seacrest? I mean he’s good at his job (unlike other jerks in Hollywood I hate) but he’s just really weird.

      IDK there’s something about him that’s unattractive.

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        he’s a midget lol

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      So now, howabout a First Time Lawng Time poll question!

      Everybody name your favorite cat! Personally, Garfield is my favorite!

      • first time lawng time

        Not yet. I have one saved up for later.

      • Hughesus Christo

        Toonces!

      • vin

        Scratchy. or is it Itchy? Scratchy makes more sense.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Toonces the driving cat.

        • FIPster Doofus

          Hughesus Christo beat me. Damn. I should have refreshed the page before posting. In any event, well done, HC.

      • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

        All you need now is a “first time lawng time” rant (or 12.)

        • first time lawng time

          What rants do you speak of?

      • Big Stein
    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      Too positive. first time lawng time usually has a negative connotation to her posts.

      Do it again.

      • first time lawng time

        Funny. No seriously it was lol.

  • pete

    I love living in an era where there’s a ton of absurdly good young pitching in the league. But days like today show that there is a downside (besides having Felix dominate you three times a year); some people seem to think that this is typical.

    I’d like to propose a R.A.B. Constitution for all discussions of pitchers:

    1. Every pitcher under the age of 25 is still a prospect. That doesn’t necessitate that every pitcher under 25 will get better, just that no pitcher under 25 can be evaluated on the same be evaluated on the same plane as pitchers over 25 based purely on their performance at the major league level due to physical maturity levels as well as the development of both pitching acumen and the necessary muscle memory to consistently locate and get proper action on a variety of pitches. 25 is a somewhat arbitrary number, but it’s fair to say that pitchers beneath that age group are typically a work in progress – even the good ones (who are usually much more rare than they are right now). Henceforth, we of RAB shall factor in this status of incomplete development during all discussions on or considerations of pitchers under the age of 25.

    2. Prospects tend to fail. Most minor leaguers never make it to AA, let alone the major leagues. How good of a prospect a player is is based on a combination of how likely he is to contribute at all at the major league level, and how much potential there is for above-average production. This being considered, prospect shall henceforth only be considered a “failure” if he does not reach the major leagues, or is never able to provide league-average production or better in the majors.

    3. Projecting young players is not only difficult, but also often becomes entangled with the pipe dreams of the projector. While it is undeniably worthwhile (both for fun and for analytical purposes) to follow minor leaguers and young players at all levels, imagining how a player in A-ball will fare in the majors typically leads to wildly inaccurate projections. Henceforth, all serious, analytical forecasts and expectations of young players’ performances shall be constrained to a timeframe of one season. Expectations can be somewhat reasonably set at the outset of a season (or end of a previous season) for a player by the end of that season, but beyond that the inherent likelihood of things going astray becomes too great.

    That’s all I can think of, for now.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      All that shit sounds unconstitutional.

      Sincerely,
      Judge Andrew Napolitano

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        He wrote that in Ohio, so technically it is not bound by the constitution.

  • Hughesus Christo

    Upton is going to Boston.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      Scott Atchison, Stephen Fife, and Jason Varitek for Justin Upton and Mark Reynolds.

      • FIPster Doofus

        That’s highway robbery for the D-Backs. They’d need to add Stephen Drew.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          Nah, Drew would be blocked by Rey Ordonez Jose Iglesias.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Scott Atchison, Stephen Fife, and Jason Varitek for Justin Upton and Mark Reynolds.

        The SuperCaptain? NEVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

        4NOHITTAZ!!!!!!

      • Chris

        Maybe they’d agree to let Casey Kelly start one game in AA for Arizona in exchange for Upton.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Do you have a source, or is that just your opinion?

      • Hughesus Christo

        Opinion. They have the prospects, they have the need, they have the money, and they have the want for a bigtime OF, and Upton would be ri-damn-diculous in that ballpark. What if they offerred Ellsbury, Papelbon, Lowrie, and Lars Anderson? How could Arizona turn that down… and how could Boston even think for a second about making that deal? Boston’s combo of young, but expendable, MLB talent, prospects, and cash is off the charts right now. The Yankees don’t have anyone like those guys right now.

        Arizona takes on ZERO new payroll, and can spin Papelbon at the deadline for another truckload of goodies.

        This is as simple as 1+1 to me.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joe Pawlikowski

          That package would never, ever cause Arizona to part with Upton. Papelbon has one year left and is expensive; if the Diamondbacks traded away Haren because of financial concerns why would they ever take on Papelbon? The other three are eh at best. There is no elite young talent in that deal. That will be a requirement for any Upton trade.

          • Hughesus Christo

            Ellsbury, Lowrie and Anderson are all elite young talent. Sub/add Lord kelly if you want. There’s no way Arizona turns that down, and Papelbon is a massive trade ship at zero markup from Upton.

            • Hughesus Christo

              CORRECTION:

              Not zero markup, but they can trade him tomorrow for a fuckton if they want. That’s a complete non-issue.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joe Pawlikowski

              I won’t deny the Papelbon point, except to point out that Upton makes $4.25 mil next year, which is about $8 mil less than what Papelbon could get in arbitration. But yes, they could trade him and recoup that $8 mil difference.

              But I think you’re employing a liberal definition of elite with Ellsbury, Lowrie, and Anderson. If you call Ellsbury elite, you have to call Gardner elite. Lowrie is OK, but far from elite. And Anderson’s stock has fallen a bit. They’re not elite by any measure.

            • vin

              You’ve been reading too much Peter Gammons.

              Lowrie will be 27 next April, Ellsbury will be 27 in September, and Lars hasn’t yet impressed in AAA. Even if he was good in AAA, he’s still just a 1B.

              The DBacks would/should be looking for a lot more. Namely high-upside, up-the-middle talent, and starting pitching prospects with knock-out stuff.

              • Hughesus Christo

                Then trade Iglesias. The Red Sox have plenty of these players.

                It’s happening. Insert your favorite “Deal WIth it” gif here.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  Considering that the price for Upton is way higher than the price will be for Adrian Gonzalez, you’re probably wrong.

                  By Opening Day 2012, Adrian Gonzalez will be in Boston and Justin Upton will still be in Arizona.

                • first time lawng time

                  Iglesias sucks. Seriously his music is crap.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            Heh, someone got whooshed. ;P

        • yankees1717

          okay, so the yankees can just offer gardner, nunez, laird, (insert killer b here) and robertson and it would probably be equal in value. think about that for a minute. that package i just mentioned couldn’t get colby rasmus, let alone upton.
          also, no one gives up “a truckload of goodies” for half a season of expensive papelbon.

          • Hughesus Christo

            1. That package is nowhere near 2 cheap MLB starters, a “big-time” 1B prospect, and Papelbon. Let alone if we get into the Kellys and Iglesiases.

            2. Minnesota just traded Wilson Ramos for MATT CAPPS.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      … to see a Celtics/Lakers game, and then he’s going home to Arizona, where he’ll be employed as an Arizona Diamondback for all of 2011, 2012, and 2013 (at least).

      • JAG

        IETC

    • Xstar7

      Hell No

    • vin

      I’m going to San Francisco.

      This weekend.

      Wife has a conference.

      Figured I’d tag along and enjoy the city.

    • Fellow Reader

      If the D-Backs kick in enough cash with Upton I think Casey Kelly could be had

    • Hughesus Christo

      In fact, if the Red Sox don’t end up with Upton, Theo should be fired for negligence.

      • vin

        He should be fired for negligence if he doesn’t call Towers to ask about Upton.

        • Hughesus Christo

          They are flush with expendable young MLB talent, prospects, and cash in the same offseason they’re looking at giving Werth/Crawford a gazillion dollars.

          Negligence

          • JAG

            Ok, while I can’t argue with Ellsbury being expendable or being an MLB player, he’s 27. While he’s certainly young compared to, say, Randy Johnson or Bud Selig, in the context of MLB players he’s entering his prime and thus is unlikely to improve much more…and right now he’s basically a worse Brett Gardner. He’s also entering arbitration, so he’s not even going to be cheap. Other than him, what expendable young talent do they have? Pedroia is not expendable, Lowrie’s not talented, and Anderson isn’t really MLB ready. Bard I suppose fits the bill, but do you think a package centered around him really gets it done?

            Boston would have to do something really crazy to get Upton (like trade him for the “prospects” you mentioned plus pay his contract twice by sending Arizona money equivalent to it). It’s not going to happen.

    • pete

      Any team that manages to trade for Upton will inevitably have to make itself worse overall in the process, so I’m cool with that.

      Pedroia, Buccholz, Ellsbury, Kelly, and Anderson for TJU? Sounds good to me.

  • Granderslam

    If we were to get an Upton deal done that would be absolutely amazing…never say never, but the chances are of course slim given what we would have to give up. Any trade that involves the names Banuelos, Montero, Hughes should not even be entertained- unless the return in Josh Johnson or King Felix.

  • Avi

    Justin Upton contract info:
    $500,000 in 2010, $4.25M in 2011, $6.75M in 2012, $9.75M in 2013, $14.25M in 2014 and 2015

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Avi’s here.

      This will end badly.

      • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

        tommie… plaese tell
        me waht ur trying,
        to say I dont
        getm, it

        • Avi

          I had no problem comprehending what Tommie wrote last night, He was just too much of weasel to stand by it. As it turns out the Uggla trade illustrates what I always say. That when when a team trades a player for financial reasons (as is the case with most trades) they end up getting far less than what people speculate they will, and far less value than what they’re giving. I’m not going to argue tonight. Just sticking to talkin baseball.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        Fun fact: Avi was the sanest person in the “What Went Right: The Farm System” thread this morning, I think.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          This statement is absolutely true.

          (Fun Fact: Avi didn’t have a single comment in that thread.)

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            No, he did, at the bottom. It was just like, “Yay, our farm system is good!”

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Okay, gotcha.

        • Avi

          Sane? I’m not sure I’m comfortable with that :)
          Beats being called a stereotyper.
          Tommie, that’s you queue to say something witty about the grammatical incorrectness

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Like the difference between “queue” and “cue”, for example?

            /tooeasy’d

            • Avi

              Ha! I set myself up there.

          • pete

            I can’t believe this comment happened.

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      So, Avi, what do you think the Yankees should give up to acquire Upton?

      This is exactly like throwing shit at a monkey just to piss it off.

      (runs)

  • Hughesus Christo

    I would have no problem trading Montero for Justin Upton. Upton is a guy that can/will be a keystone for 12 years. And he’s more of a sure thing than any prospect.

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      I doubt anyone would have a problem trading Montero for Upton. The problem is the many, many assets you’d have to include on top of Montero.

      • Hughesus Christo

        I’m not saying it’s Montero for Upton straight up, but Betances/Brackman are such longshots for success in NY that they aren’t even a worth discussing (NO BRAINER) when it comes to a deal for that kind of player. Beyond Montero, the only people I see worthy of prospect-hugging are Banuelos and Sanchez. There’s a limit in shear numbers, but I’m essentially saying “go to the mattresses.”

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          I’m thinking it’d be Hughes, not any one of the Killer Bs. Montero + Killer Bs (not all of them), I probably do that. But I think Arizona would want more. And they want Hughes. Montero + Hughes + likely more? I don’t do that.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      If Montero alone would do it, I’d consider it.

      Montero alone won’t do it.

  • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

    I think it’s time for the “your trade proposal sucks” post.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      If someone told me Omar Infante and Mike Dunn gets you possibly the 4th best 2B in baseball I would call you an idiot and say your proposal sucks.

      This horrendous trade basically nullified ‘your porpsoal sucks.’ Sure it’s an exeception but I geuss there can’t be a proposal too stupid.

  • Granderslam

    I want Andrew McCutchen. Get it done Cash. #sarcasm

  • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

    It is going to take a huge name to land Upton. We’re talking guys like, Strasburg, Bumgarner or Casey Kelly.

    /Olney’d

    • vin

      /Tomorrow will be better than today’d

      • rbizzler

        As much as Buster annoys me with all of his conjecture, it is pretty weak to rip on him for closing his blog posts with a little inspiration for a sick family member.

        • vin

          Oops, I honestly didn’t know that it was for a sick family member. Either way, it still irks me – just because I’m from the school of separating my personal life from work.

          Now that I know what its for, I won’t make fun of it – but its still not my cup of tea.

          • rbizzler

            No worries. I think that his sister is sick. I know that he blogged about it, but I can’t remember the exact details.

            • http://twitter.com/#!/GearCity bigjuan

              Yes. She has cancer IIRC.

  • vin

    So the person who fetched the “Smoak-type bat” was among the top 5 pitchers in the sport.

    I heard that bat could have been had for less. Much, much less.

  • CHP

    Sign Melky and do this

    D’Backs get
    Melky- solid Upton replacement
    K.Igawa- average starter in the NL West
    I.Nova- He would be an ace on their staff

    Yanks get
    J.Upton
    S.Drew- our Jeter replacement

    /did I do this right?

    • first time lawng time

      OMG MELKY!!!!!

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      /did I do this right?

      Almost. You need to throw in the random Yankee you’re disgruntled with (disregarding the feasibility.) Popular suggestions include Gardner, Swisher, Burnett, Posada, and Joba.

      • first time lawng time

        posada sux lol whatevs

    • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

      You forgot Pat Venditte

      • CHP

        We could throw in Venditte and AROD for Reynolds and that Montero guy?

  • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    Upton is available in a way that every player in baseball is available. If you overwhelm them, they’ll make the trade. If you overwhelm them, you’ve just lost the trade. Everyone has a price and I’m sure Upton’s is as high as Ron Washington.

    • Reggie C.

      Would the D’Backs do it for a package of Romine, Banuelos, Brackman, and Ivan Nova?

      I’ll readily admit its a “lesser” package that leaves out the big man, but could Cashman pull it off regardless? At the end of the day, the D’Backs are still getting back two top 75 pitchers, and one pitcher who could probably start game 4 of the 2011 season. Romine’s probably a couple seasons away, but he’s on the right trajectory for a catching prospect. Definitely B-level prospect though.

      Ehhh…nevermind. This will never fly.

      • pete

        No. That package wouldn’t fetch Stephen Drew

  • first time lawng time

    Least favorite teams in each of the 4 main sports: (in no particular order)
    1. Red Sox
    2. Lakers
    3. Flyers
    4. Jets

    2nd Least Favorite Teams:
    1. Phillies
    2. Bucks
    3. Any team in Canada
    4. Red Skins

    Thoughts? Agree/Disagree?

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      1. Red Sox
      (can’t express how large this gap is)
      2. Cowboys
      (sizable gap)
      3. Patriots
      (minimal gap)
      4t. Eagles, Steelers, Redskins, Celtics, Phillies

      • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

        Oh never mind….Red Sox/Phillies, Cowboys/Eagles, Celtics/Heat, Devils/Flyers.

    • vin

      I’m a life long Laker fan, so I may be biased… but their mortal enemy is the Celtics. Which means every NYY fan should respect the Lakers.

      Red Sox, Angels
      Celtics, San Antonio
      Devils, Islanders
      Patriots, Eagles (don’t care much though)

      How can you hate the Bucks? Who even cares about them? They’ve been almostly entirely irrelevant since they traded Kareem.

      • first time lawng time

        I haven’t been watching that long, but they seem like such an easy team to beat so I always expect the Knicks to win (well, not really, I’m pessimistic, but still) and they always kill the Knicks. They just annoy me.

    • ultimate913

      1. Red Sox
      2. Heat
      3. Bruins
      4. Probably Eagles.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Least favorite teams
      Jets

      2nd Least Favorite Teams:
      Red Skins

      I’m biased as a Jets fan, but I’m sorry, hating the Jets more than the Redskins doesn’t make sense to me. The Redskins is a franchise that’s practically BEGGING you to hate them. Their hateability is off the charts.

      My Jets have barely been relevant enough to generate any real acrimony against them, IMO.

      • first time lawng time

        Well, I kinda hate football and don’t follow it at all, so I don’t really judge my least favorite teams based on how relevant they are to my team (as I would in other sports). But there’s something about them and their fans (not you, just ones that I know personally) that make me hate them.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Fair enough. We’ve already established that football fanhood isn’t exactly your strong suit.

          • first time lawng time

            Haha yeah. I don’t really understand the sport that well, to tell you the truth. I don’t find it as exciting or fun to follow as baseball or basketball.

      • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

        Personally, I don’t mind the Jets, but I think you could make quite a compelling case for hating some of the current players. Also, I love Rex, but I could see how he might rub someone the wrong way.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          He’s the type of guy if he’s “your guy” you love him, but if he’s someone elses guy he’s the easiest person in the world to hate.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        Booing a player the caliber of Pennington when they have perhaps one of the weakest histories of any major sports franchise out there lends itself to hateability. I hate Sanchez, and Rex Ryan comes off as Mike Ditka and Sean Salisbury put together.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          What fanbases haven’t booed their own quarterback, though? I don’t know that that’s a fair reason to hate the Jets franchise, just because some of their fans are knuckleheads. Every fanbase has idiots that would have booed one of their franchise’s most accomplished players.

          • Jimmy McNulty

            Yes, but most franchises who have booed great players: Yankees, Giants, Cowboys, Patriots, etc. are all very accomplished franchises. The Jets are still living off one game.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              So booing your own player becomes somehow less assholish if your team has a legacy of success?

              I don’t get that.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      1. Red Sox
      2. Celtics
      3. Cowboys
      4. Eagles
      5. Patriots

    • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

      MLB: Red Sox, Phillies, Angels
      NFL: Patriots, Cowboys, Eagles, Panthers
      NBA: Heat
      NHL: Penguins, Flyers

      College: SEC + FSU

    • http://twitter.com/#!/GearCity bigjuan

      Least Favorites:
      1. Red Sox
      2. Heat
      3. Bruins
      4. Patriots

      2nd Least Favorites:
      1. Rangers
      2. Celtics
      3. Canadiens
      4. Colts

  • Big Stein

    BBWAA announce they are changed the name of the Cy Young award to the Casey Kelly award in recognition of the Boston phenom’s upcoming HOF career.

  • first time lawng time

    ZOMG I HAVE THE BEST TRADE PROPOSAL EVER!!!!11!

    Let’s trade:
    Montero
    Baneulos
    Betances
    Hughes
    Mo
    Brackman
    Joba
    Robertson

    For Upton. (we can include Igawa if they still don’t budge)

    Thoughts???????

    Note: this post may not be serious, especially considering I hate these trade proposal things…I just wanted to join in on the fun

    • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

      /jokeisdead’d

    • pete

      sup Mo for Cano and that’d be roughly what it would cost

  • TOMACONDA

    Maybe we could do a three team trade with Arizona sending Upton to the sox, the Yankees sending Montero Hughes and prospects to the Dbacks and the Yankees get Casey Kelly and Varitek so we have a captain if Jeter leaves?

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

    what are the odds that Upton actually goes anywhere?

    In addition to that, aren’t we kinda set in RF? I’m not concerned about Swish long-term, figure he’s the kinda dude who will perform at this All-star-but-not-nearly-MVP level for the next 3 or so years.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      0.1% sounds about right.

  • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

    “Brian Cashman: “I’ve got a small player move that I’m working on that might get done at some point this week … But it’s small.””

    OMG! The Yankees are acquiring Dustin Pedroia!!!!!!

    • TOMACONDA

      For Brackman? I think the Yankees are getting the short end of the deal!

    • vin

      Nicely done.

    • Poopy Pants

      Or Walt Weiss! More range at SS!

    • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

      It is either a minor league swap or a reliever trade. That’s what I interpreted small as.

      • Poopy Pants

        Wow.

        Wow.

        • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

          I got the joke if that was what the wows were implying.

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      Link?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joe Pawlikowski

      I’m guessing it’s Randy Choate.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        We’re resigning Jeter and Mo, and then trading them with CC for Marco Scutaro, Jonathan Papelbon, and Josh Beckett.

        Book it.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          That isn’t enough for the Greatest, Clutchiest, Postseason Clutch Pitcher of all time.

          • vin

            That isn’t enough for the Greatest, Clutchiest, Postseason Clutch Pitcher of all time AND Josh Beckett.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Randy Choate’s boring. Let’s talk about Justin Upton.

        Regards,

        This afternoon’s RAB commentators

    • Poopy Pants

      Al Pacino?

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    So MLBN has a Prime 9 on the best infields ever. I want to say that the 2009 Yankees should have a spot there.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      They really genuinely should.

      Also, Prime 9 Pitching Rotations? Just name the 2009 and 2010 Boston Red Sox. We all know already.

  • first time lawng time

    Yankees are in big trouble this offseason. If they don’t repair their unrepairable damage, it’s going to be a tough battle for 3rd place in the AL East. Basically this is what needs to be done:

    1. Andy Pettitte and his stupid southern accent need to retire. I don’t want any more injuries due to his seniority.
    2. Trade Joba and his fat ass for Joaquim Soria
    3. Phil Hughes is a bust starter…to the pen with him
    4. Mo sucks. (1.8 ERA? pathetic) He needs to take his bald head out of his ass and learn to make sure his cutter cuts….or esle RETIRE!
    5. AJ is a headcase, just like FatAss Joba. Let’s just pay out his contract so he can work on a farm.
    6. Jeter is THE MAN. Seriously he’s a True Yankee TM we can’t get rid of him. Give this guy 5 years, 23 mil per year.
    7. A-Rod is a selfish little princess that cares about noone and only stat-padding. He’s a drain on the team and the economy…let’s trade him for Longoria
    8. Cano is lazy. .320 is pretty lousy. Let’s get trade Kelleher for Bowa so he can get his head out of his ass.
    9. Trade Montero, Jorge, Cervelli for Mauer and Molina
    10. Trade Gardner and Pena and Nova for Upton.
    11. Bench Swisher (he’s. um, not exactly an everyday player)
    12. Have Kevin Long work with Grandy on his right handed hitting
    13. Fire that dumb binder-loving, braces-wearing, loser Girardi
    14. Trade Colin Curtis for Melky Cabrera (kid’s got heart)

    Thoughts? Agree/Disagrreee?

    • Poopy Pants

      I choose ‘agree’.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      2. Trade Joba and his fat ass for Joaquim Soria

      I’d do that in a second.

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        Joaquim Joakim

      • Poopy Pants

        More like phat ass, if you ask me!

      • ultimate913

        I thought the fat ass would go where ever Joba went. I guess it is so valuable it’s considered a separate trade piece.

    • ultimate913

      This is getting old already. I really don’t want to be the asshole but this is just getting old already. This meme is getting beaten to death.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        That happens a lot here, most of the folks here like to pretend like they’re Ken Tremendous mixed with Keith Law. Sadly, they end up sounding like Dave Cameron mixed with Dane Cook.

        • first time lawng time

          I hate Dane Cook. He’s not even that funny.

          You know what else isn’t that funny? Stand up comedy in general.

          • vin

            And he’s a joke thief. Look it up.

          • Jimmy McNulty

            George Carlin, David Cross, and Lewis Black all do it pretty well.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Agreed.

  • first time lawng time

    Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader is such a bad show. Those people on it are so dumb. Seriously, on the first episode, the guy didn’t know what month labor day is in. Seriously? What an idiot. And you know what the sad thing is? He’s probably smarter than like 50% of the nation.

    And Jeff Foxworthy is a weirdo redneck. He’s not really even that funny. And that moustache is gross.

    Seriously I’d like to go on that show just to show everyone how easy it is.

    • Poopy Pants

      Again: Agree!

    • FIPster Doofus

      “Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader is such a bad show. Those people on it are so dumb.”

      Isn’t that the whole point?

    • billbybob

      4/3 of people suck at fractions. Get it?

  • Jimmy McNulty

    For those of you who are suggesting a massive Upton package here’s something you should consider:

    One, his age is a factor, yes absolutely. He is an incredible physical talent, but he’s not fucking Miguel Cabrera with Troy Tulowitzki’s defense at short. He has issues, one his strikeout rates, they’re extremely high. Two, look at similar athletic toolsy outfielders with 30ish HR power and high K-rates….they all age like shit. I’m not suggesting Justin Upton will, is what I’m suggesting is that anyone suggesting Cano plus anyone of the Hughes, Manny, Montero, level is a fucking idiot. It’s not a Nick Swisher type down year, but with injury issues down power rates and high K-rates aren’t exactly a good combination. I think he’ll be a plenty good player that any team would be thrilled to have, but he’s not Hank Aaron at age 21 under contract for 20/50M.

    • Poopy Pants

      So you’re saying Upton has a lot of UPside, he doesn’t have a TON?

      • Jimmy McNulty

        While this wasn’t laugh out loud funny, it’s plenty funny to keep me smiling for a few days.

    • first time lawng time

      Seriously. These trade proposals are ridiculous. In my opinion (I don’t have stats to back this up) Upton is overrated. I don’t care for him.

      You know what? I don’t care for Cliff Lee either.

      Or Jeter.

      I don’t get why people would be willing to trade Montero for him. Or anyone else for that matter.

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        Dude’s put up a .287/.361/.489 line with a .369 wOBA over the last two seasons. He was 21 and 22. Let me repeat, he was 21 and 22 years old as he’s done this. And you know what? He’ll get better, barring any insane injuries.

        • first time lawng time

          I still don’t care for him. We don’t need him.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            What about Melky?

            • first time lawng time

              OMG MELKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                Please explain why Melky is better than Justin Upton

                • first time lawng time

                  He’s not. I just like him better.

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                  Does Justin Upton have a ring, Jordan? Didn’t think so.

                  • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                    I forgot, Luis Sojo >>>> Ted Williams

                    One > for every ring

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            I do care for him, but yes, we don’t need him. That part is right.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          Will he get better? There’s always the chance of a flame out. Look at his K rates too…he’s not holy grail, nor is he without his flaws. On Fangraphs’ latest trade value series he was ranked just ahead of Cano. He’s still more promise than performance at this point, and you don’t include a fucking MVP candidate in a package with highly regarded talent for a guy who is still more promise than performance. Ignoring his age for a bit, which yes presents issues, look at his stats (isolated power, walk rate, and strikeout rate) and compare them to Matt Kemp, Curtis Granderson, Grady Sizemore, Adam Jones, and his brother BJ. His brother BJ had a solid chance to stay at shortstop and was similarly regarded. Upton had that breakout 2009 where he had like a .390 wOBA, he followed it up with a sub .800 OPS and a 30% K-rate. He’s a fantastic player and should command a good haul, but not the ones you guys are suggesting.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            For the record, Jimmy, I think most of the commenters who proposed those massive deals for Upton that included Cano or Montero and Hughes or the like were using those comments to argue AGAINST trading for Upton, not that we should actually do those deals.

            I’d love to have Upton for all the reasons you list, but the price point is likely high enough to make it not a good idea, for all the reasons you list. Those commenters are agreeing with you.

            • Jimmy McNulty

              I think you guys are misreading the price point on Upton. I think he’ll be traded for a good haul, but not the Hershel Walker type deal others are expecting. If King Theo were to acquire him he’d probably have to offer: Casey Kelly, Buchholz, Ellsbury, and a ceiling guy or something like that. Maybe Dourbont instead of Kelly, but definitely a good haul for a player…but not the king’s ransom you all are expecting.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                Perhaps, but even then we’re still quibbling over whether the pricepoint will be “Holy fuckballs, that’s way too much” or “I’m actually personally insulted by that pricepoint, even though I’m not related to any of those people”.

                Whatevs.

                • Jimmy McNulty

                  Though a team as shitty as Zona in a weak division could get a lot of really good players and be closer to competition than they are right now.

              • pete

                He will be traded for a good haul. In 2014.

    • pat

      That’s what I’m sayin Jimmy. If I hadn’t been trying to watch TV and cobble together a crappy post I would have made the same point much earlier. He’s a great talent, but I don’t think he’s worth Montero + others.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Gary Sanchez and the killer B’s for Josh Johnson and Hanley Ramirez. Get it done Cash, do it soon so whatever crack is on the Marlin’s GM is still there.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      That’s way too much on our part. I liked the idea someone in the OT thread had of trading Melancon, frankly.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        You’re right. Uggla was worth 5 WAR where Infante is 2. Romine and Brackman should get it done. I’m not even joking I’m sure the Marlins will at least consider it.

      • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

        Um, yeah, about Melancon…

        He’s gone. And he’s not coming back. There wasn’t anything you could have done.

  • pat

    Am I the only one who doesn’t want anything to do with Upton? I might be. I’d rather run Montero out in RF and keep Betances, Banuelos, Romine, Gardner, Hughes, Joba etc. Does he have the elite power to be a 35-40 HR guy? I don’t think he’ll ever be an elite OBP guy, nor is he an elite defender. Obviously one of his best attributes is his age,and room for improvement but I’m not emptying the farm for a guy who projects to be a very good corner OF. Realistically, considering his increasing K rates is he really that likely to drastically improve on his past couple of years production? Say he stays around .285/.350/.500 ish with 20-25 HR while playing RF for the duration of his contract, is it worth it to completely gut our farm? I wouldn’t do it, but I might be alone on this.

    • first time lawng time

      No you’re not.

      I don’t care for him either.

    • FIPster Doofus

      I want nothing to do with Upton because of the king’s ransom it would take to land him. Certainly he’s a player any team would love to have, but, with apologies to Jimmy McMillan, the cost is too damn high.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        McNulty.

        The cost you guys are proposing is too damn high. If the Yankees were offering like a Gardner, Joba, Romine, Brackman, Nova package for Upton that’d be a somewhat reasonable starting point for the D-Backs. I’d probably rather have Greinke than Upton as far as great trade market players go. His down year wasn’t like a BABIP decrease or anything. His HR/FB ratio decreased which could mean a lack of power, or that he wasn’t getting as many “just made it” type shots. I still think he’ll be a good player, but I’m not ready to induct him into the HoF just yet.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Pat, I love ya but that’s just batshit crazy. I could see not wanting his equally talented problem child brother, but Justin has superstar written all over him. A few tiny adjustments and he’s a fucking beast.

  • rbizzler

    Greetings people. So, does anyone else think that Uggla was crazy to not take the 4/48 the Marlins were offering? The guy is on the wrong side of 30 and is a terrible defender. The Braves aren’t known for throwing money around, so there is a good chance that they cut him loose after this year, and I am not convinced that Uggla does better than 4/48 on the open market.

    • pat

      I could see Dayton Moore doing something stupid.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      2B isn’t a terribly deep position. Uggla is one of the best offensively.

      Someone will look at this homers and RBI’s and ignore his defense and give him a huge contract.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        2B isn’t a terribly deep position. Uggla is one of the best offensively.

        That’s because according to his skill set, he really isn’t a 2B. His numbers wouldn’t look the same if he was in LF where he belongs.

        One thing that’s great about BP, when analyzing a player most of their writers will generally subtract negative defensive value from positive offensive value and give you a players net value. Fangraphs is pretty good that way as well. I just wish more fans would look beyond the bat.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          I don’t disagree. Thing is, I doubt other teams will look at his defensive skills and give him a big payday regardless. I think he can easily top 4/48.

    • Jose the Satirist

      I will always remember Uggla for the 2008 All-Star game.

    • vin

      Good point about Uggla not accepting the Marlins’ offer. He’ll be a 32 year old 2B with a bad glove at the start of 2012.

      Even if the Braves cut him loose, there’s nothing wrong with taking the 2 draft picks. I’d rather have the 2 picks plus one year of Uggla than Dunn and one year of Infante.

  • first time lawng time

    I don’t understand why everyone is in love with Glee. No offense if you like it, but I think it’s weird. Like, what’s the point you know?

    Just one of those shows that you either love it or you hate it.

    Acting isn’t that great either.

    • first time lawng time

      How that show managed to be nominated and win for those awards is beyond me.

    • bonestock94

      I agree. I think stuff like that is aimed at people that like broadway, fashion, fruity drinks, etc.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        /euphemism’d

      • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

        ICWYDT

    • Jose the Satirist

      I don’t understand why everyone is in love with most television shows. Most shows are shit.

      • first time lawng time

        What we need is a good sitcom. Right now we have Shitcoms. Let’s bring back the days of the Cosby Show and the Fresh Prince.

        Let’s can whatever crap is playing now.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          You mean you’re not on pins and needles eagerly anticipating the new CBS sitcom based on the life of Colin Cowherd?!?!?!

        • FIPster Doofus

          “Parks and Recreation” is the best sitcom on TV. Season three starts in January.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            I will admit that that is one show that made me laugh a little when I caught an episode.

            It’s not good enough to be appointment viewing, though.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        LOST was the only scripted show I watched. Now that it’s off the air, I don’t watch anything but sports and the news.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          Oh please. Like those aren’t scripted, too!

          /conspiracy theory’d

        • first time lawng time

          There are some pretty good shows though. I mean I like House, It’s Always SUnny in Philadelphia is funny (although I can never seem to literally laugh out loud for some reason) and then Two and a Half Men is alright (although Charlie Sheen isn’t even that good of an actor).

          If you like reality TV, I recommend Keeping up with the Kardashians and The Jersey Shore. Bad shows, but entertaining.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            I’ve tried all those shows you named.

            Meh.

            • Jose the Satirist

              Agreed. I’ll stick with FOX news blasting in the background 24/7.

        • vin

          Give Bored to Death a shot. It’s on HBO, and the season just ended (I think, I’m behind on the dvr). Jason Schwartzman, Ted Danson, Zach Galifinakis. It’s very well done.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Gave it a shot. Meh.

            • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

              Daily Show or Colbert Report?

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                Technically they’re scripted, but that’s not what is generally referred to by the phrase “scripted television”.

                I’m talking about hourlong dramas or half-hour sitcoms. With actors.

                (Yes, I watch Stewart and Colbert on occasion.)

            • vin

              FWIW, the show took a few episodes to find itself (my opinion)… and the second season has been better than the first.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          Watch The Wire.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            The Wire was the shiznit.

            We’re talking about shows currently on the air, though.

            • Jimmy McNulty

              They have it on Channel 101.

        • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

          Watch AMC or FX shows. Breaking Bad (AMC) isn’t coming back until July, so you have time to catch up on all three excellent seasons. Treme was enjoyable, but not for everyone.

          On FX, Terriers is a great show. So is Justified.

          Everything else, even Mad Men, has started to pale in comparison.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Perhaps I’ll give them a shot.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Like, what’s the point you know?

      For entertainment? People love these musicals mixed in with high school drama.

      Seriously High School Musical 2 got more views at the time than anything else on basic cable.

    • Hughesus Christo

      Shows have “points” now?

      Glee sucks because it sucks.

    • pete

      I will own up to the fact that i really like How I Met Your Mother, and Californication is amazing. I liked Scrubs, too, at least when before it was gutted.

      And, obviously, South Park.

      Generally, though, the best shows get cancelled. See: Arrested Development, Stella, Family Guy (when it was good)

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    The 2009 Yankees are #3 on MLBN’s Prime 9 infields of all time :3

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      At the least, they should be number two.

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        I think they should have included catchers. You could then put either the 09 Yankees or the 75 Reds as one or two.

    • first time lawng time

      Defensively or offensively are they doing it?

      And yeah, that infield was sick.

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        Offensively. That infield was beastly.

    • Philthy65

      what was the order of the 9?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        Don’t remember, 1913 Athletics were #1 though. 1999 Mets were on there, so were the 1975 Reds. 1978 Dodgers were #9. The Tinkers-Evans-Chance Cubs were on there too.

  • first time lawng time

    Anyone going to see To Love and Other Drugs?

    I’m not. I hate Anne Hathaway. She was good in Princess Diaries then went downhill from there. She’s not a good actress either. She just annoys me. And Jake Gyllinhall isn’t even that good looking either. He’s dating Taylor Swift. (Seriously, WTF? Like 9 year gap, and then Taylor Swift isn’t even that pretty or talented (he’s not so attractive himself, but still))

    Seriously, movies are going down the toilet these past few years.

    You know what is a good movie though? The Sandlot. And Heavyweights.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Seriously, movies are going down the toilet these past few years.

      I’ve actually enjoyed most of the movies I’ve seen recently. Granted, I’m likely to choose movies that I think I’ll enjoy so there’s some (kinda) confirmation bias there, but I’ve been pretty satisfied w/my cinema experiences of late.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        What have you seen and liked?

        (thinks)

        I don’t think I’ve actually been to the movies at all this year. (New fatherhood and all.) 2010 movies are like a non-entity to me at the moment.

        Last year, I saw and enjoyed Inglorious Basterds, Precious, Up In The Air, Julie and Julia, The Hurt Locker, A Serious Man, Zombieland, The Soloist, Capitalism: A Love Story, and Black Dynamite (although some of those were seen at home and not in the theatre).

        Also saw and DIDN’T care for Taken, Obsessed, The Proposal, District 9, Extract, Law Abiding Citizen, 2012, and Brothers.

        Public Enemies and The Hangover were neither good nor bad, they just were.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          I liked Up In the Air, but wasn’t thrilled with the ending. I wanted it to end at the really soul crushing part.

          And I’m very surprised you wasted time on 2012. I expect more from you. I’ll accept The Proposal ’cause I’m assuming you did it for the wife, but not 2012.

          Also, how’s the Heir to the Upside doing?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Fun Fact: 2012 was only viewed because it was a Netflix instant play and we were bored and nothing else in the queue looked good.

            We didn’t watch the whole movie. Turned it off about an hour through.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Also, how’s the Heir to the Upside doing?

            Fabulous. Six months old now. I’ll have a facebook gallery up soon.

            Oh, I thought of some 2010 movies I saw:

            GOOD: The Losers
            BAD:Why Did I Get Married Too?, Valentine’s Day

            And we’re going to see For Colored Girls soon. Normally, I’d object to Tyler Perry out of hand, but the project was actually conceived and written for the screen by a young director friend of mine I went to NYU with, and I trust her artistic vision and talent to handle a project of that depth and complexity. Her involvement in the movie gives me hope that it’s not a total traveshamockery of normal Perryesque proportions.

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

              Fabulous. Six months old now. I’ll have a facebook gallery up soon.

              Good to hear. My time isn’t there yet, but I’m pumped to be a dad.

              And we’re going to see For Colored Girls soon.

              My mother and sister saw it and weren’t too impressed. Then again, they’re very, very white. They make me look downright Black Pantherish*.

              *”Sorry I ruined your Black Panther party.”

              • pat

                GREENBOW ALABAMA

                My favorite move EVAAAA

                • pat

                  It’s actually more like

                  Greenbow ALA BAMA

        • Jose the Satirist

          I would recommend Toy Story 3 and Mugabe and the White African for movies to see from 2010.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Thanks.

            I haven’t even heard of Mugabe and the White African. Not even on the radar. I’ll give it a shot, though.

        • first time lawng time

          Was Precious any good?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            I liked it, yes.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          I’m guessing Iron Man 2 was too bad for consideration? But I agree. 2010 seems to be a weaker year.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Meh, I’m not much of an action-movie guy. Iron Man was decent enough but nothing special. I’ll probably see Iron Man 2 at some point on Netflix, but I’m not clearing my calendar for it.

        • pete

          The Social Network was good, I thought.

          Harry Potter will undoubtedly suck, but I’ll see it anyway

    • pat

      Kickass was probably the best movie I saw in theaters last year with Inception being a close second. Anybody ever see Waltz with Bashir? it’s the best movie I’ve seen in a loooooong time. And if you wan’t a movie with an amazing acting job I suggest Bronson a movie about Britain’s most violent inmate, played wonderfully by the criminally handsome Tom Hardy. Also for those of you with a lady friend I suggest It’s All Gone Pete Tong about a world famous DJ in Ibiza who goes deaf.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    Everybody go look up the 1997 Braves rotation. And then be shocked if they don’t make the cut on the next Prime 9.

    • first time lawng time

      Wow only 1 guy had an ERA over 3. And it was 3.02. That’s crazy.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        In the steroid era.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          To be clearer it’s insane how good that rotaiton was being better than most rotation’s today when it appears we’re out of steroids.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Didn’t Bill James have them as the best rotation ever? And yeah. But the 1995 Braves will probably be on there, not 1997.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Yeah, they were #2. #1 was the 1906 Cubs. The 2001 Athletics were on there. Somehow they overlooked the 2009 Red Sox.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/GearCity bigjuan

      Holy shit.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    I just got my invoice. $12,985 for a pair of Yankee tickets?

    I hate to break it to the Yanks, but StubHub aint what it used to be. In the last year of the old building/first year of the new one, I was able to sell all my extras, go to a bunch of games and almost break even. Maybe lose or make about $500, so it was pretty much a wash. Selling one Red Sox game paid for 2 other games that I got to go to for freeor give away to customers.

    Last year, I lost a cool 4 grand on the seats. And there’s really no benefit whatsoever to having a full season plan, except maybe keeping your seat for the playoffs. And my schedule is such there’s no way I can attend every playoff game. If I really want to go I can wait until the last minute, log on to StubHub and find seats below face for just about any game. Especially during the week. Even some of the Red Sox games were selling at face last year, and a few didn’t sell at all.

    I’m going to have to think long and hard about this one.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      So get a half plan. You still get every home playoff game.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Again, I can’t attend every playoff game. So (I ask myself) why am I doing this again?

    • first time lawng time

      They also have pland for like a quarter of the season, weekends only, etc. (I’m pretty sure)

    • bonestock94

      Wow, that’s intense. My first car and current one cost less than that total.

    • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

      I am sure the economy had a lot to do with it. People just don’t have that much money to spend around and Yankee tickets are so expensive compared to other ballparks. I drove out Baltimore and sat behind the plate with 4 seats and it was cheaper than buying tickets for me and my girlfriend.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Stop being such a tight wad, I’ve spent more on hookers.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Whatever you say, Governor.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Just remember, Nostra: If you cancel your tickets, it means you’re a bad Yankee fan. That’s what it means.

      • FIPster Doofus

        He’s no doubt violent and apathetic, too.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          More like violet and pathetic.

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        Or he’s extremely pissed about a bench signing and will decide to write a poorly worded letter to Stadium Insider.

        /bringing back the old meme

      • Jimmy McNulty

        Every time you cancel or downgrade a season ticket package someone gets a free 2004 DVD.

    • pat

      You field outfield or over the bases in the main?

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Bingo. It’s weird. 10 grand never bother me, and the creeping increase to 11 and 12 was just inflation. But 13 feels like its getting out of hand and I can’t lose 5 grand on these seats next year.

        The reality is I used very few seats last year (work work work). And again there’s very little benefit, and a whole lotta downside to putting up the cash. For the 4-5 games I actually went to last year, I could just buy them on StubHub.

        • pat

          Heh, well if you can only make 4-5 games a year you probably shouldn’t be buying a full season plan, especially not in that location. It’s not really the Yankees’ fault you can only attend a few games a year. At least you’re not corporate slime sitting field level between the bases. I would also consider looking into a club membership for the year. They’re doing Audi and Mohegan together this year and it’s a pretty big draw for out of towners and people who want to think they’re ballers. I know an extra 13 hundy isn’t chump change but it could very well help with resale value. I’d talk to your AE about it.

          /company man’d

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            Thanks, I will check into that. I’m going to e-mail him and see if he can bump me up to 212. If he can, I’ll renew and see if my luck improves with the resales.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Sorry, misread that. Field Outfield.

    • CP

      So you’re complaining that you can’t get almost a full season of tickets for free?

  • first time lawng time

    So while we’re (or mostly me) discussing hollywood and stuff let me just say this:
    People are assholes.

    Seriously, on the radio the other day, there was this jerk going on about how fat and useless that girl from Precious is and how she’s so fat she’ll never amount to anything.

    Seriously, that’s not funny. That’s just mean. Someone that fat probably is that fat, because they have a stomach or digestiv eproblem. And even if they don’t people shouldn’t make fun of people for things like that.

    Just thought I’d share.

    • Anthony Murillo

      Howard Stern made the same point months ago

  • first time lawng time

    ANy other teams, besides Yankees and Rangers, in the bidding for Cliff Lee? I haven’t heard any contenders mentioned lately.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      The Bridgeport Bluefish.

      • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

        Long Island Ducks

    • Avi

      Washington

    • YankeesJunkie

      You got think teams with any sizable cash available will be interested in Lee because he is a beast of a pitcher, However, I think the Yankees and the Rangers are the only ones that will make a serious offer maybe Detroit or the Angels try to come in as a dark horse into the “Lee”stakes.

      • pat

        I think Detroit and LAA get VMart and Crawford respectively, leaving them out of the Lee sweepstakes.

        • Hughesus Christo

          Detroit and especially LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA have plenty of cash for both.

    • Stratman9652

      Keep hearing that the Nationals are interested. It kinda seemed like a joke at first but I think people are starting to consider it possible. Not likely but posible.

      • YankeesJunkie

        Nats have some good young pieces especially from the last couple drafts, but they are still a couple years away from making hey in the NL East, they should keep throwing money into the drafts.

  • Avi

    Ken Rosenthal is saying the Yanks want Bill Hall.

    http://kenrosenthal.yardbarker....._post=true

    • All Star Carl

      Him or J-Hair would be nice.

    • YankeesJunkie

      I’d rather continue not paying Pena.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      Ken Rosenthal also said this:

      Aug. 19: A-Rod, mired in a 6-for-57 slump, limps noticeably throughout the Yankees’ west-coast trip, then jokes about his struggles, saying, “I’m distracted. I’ve got a crush on Beyonce.”

      Aug. 20: Beyonce’s husband, Jay-Z, responds with a new single, “Sucka got no juice” that immediately rockets to No. 1 on iTunes.”

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        But John Smoltz is even better at Fenway Park, stifling the Blue Jays with a complete-game shutout.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        He wrote it while standing on a box, so that he could reach the keyboard on his laptop.

      • vin

        Do you have that link? I thought they removed it from the web. Couldn’t find it.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          Unfortunately, the link has been removed. this was just gleaned from comments left on various sites by people quoting it.

    • ultimate913

      I’ll take Jerry Hairston Jr. for 1-2 mil.

    • bonestock94

      Can play everywhere badly, has some pop. Idk, I think I’d rather have Pena or Nunez plus a Thames type off the bench.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    Quick poll: Who thinks Edgar Martinez is a Hall of Famer?

    • first time lawng time

      I do.

      haha I don’t even know who that is and I don’t feel like looking it up

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Wait, really?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Are you surprised anymore? FTLT is lazier than a Dominican.

          • first time lawng time

            Hahahaha that was pretty good.

        • first time lawng time

          Unless he played for the Yankees or is a “household name” I don’t really know that many players.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            I’d consider him a household name. But, then again, how old are you?

            • first time lawng time

              I just haven’t followed baseball for that long.

              • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

                Got it.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....ariners%29 (safe for work, not safe for life)

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        jfgi

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      {raises hand}

    • pat

      .312/.418/.515 24 HR for 18 years. Without a doubt he a HOF’er. DH is a position nowadays like 1B and LF, and he was the best.

      • pat

        *he’s

    • vin

      He makes it in my HOF. Probably makes it into the real one, but not after quite a few tries. Much better than Rice or Dawson… but so were a lot of players.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      Me. No doubt in my mind.

    • bonestock94

      It’s amazing how much talent came out of Seattle in the 90′s.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden. I could go on and on.

  • bonestock94
    • bonestock94

      shit, why does this never work

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Delete the #!/ part. Works the same.

  • first time lawng time

    Anyone gona bother to watch the Knicks tonight?

    I’ll probably watch some of it. It’s a late start so I doubt I’ll watch the whole thing.

    They haven’t looked good recently, but eh they’re the Knicks so it’s just whatever….entertaining.

    • Reggie C.

      Still recovering from shock over the 30/30 night. I’ll pass.

  • Stratman9652

    So a fun little disscusion piece,

    If you were Cliff Lee, and both the Rangers and Yankees make the same offer that meets your demands, in terms of winning and making your legacy (aka ego) do you go with:

    A: The Yankees who have already won 27 WS and are a contender with or without you, or
    B: The Rangers who have never won a WS, and if they did win thier first one it would be largely because of you.

    and go…

    • first time lawng time

      A because Texas is a terrible state to live in.

      • Chris

        He’s from Arkansas, and I can’t believe that Texas is much worse than Arkansas.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      The Yankees. Because you raise your chances of winning multiple rings in the biggest media market ever and being slathered in endless love from the biggest fanbase in North American sports.

      To wit: Paul O’Neill won a ring with the Reds. He won 4 rings with the Yankees. Yankee fans will never stop loving Paul O’Neill. He’s many fans’ favorite player (despite being the third-best everyday regular of the 96-00 title years, at best).

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        Even if O’neill’s rings were 1 and 1, he’d still be a much bigger deal because of his ring in NYY. Same with Justice (who actually did win 1 ring in 2 places).

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Yezzur.

          • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

            Other players who won rings before coming to New York, though not very memorably:

            Chili Davis
            Chuck Knoblauch
            David Cone

            Even guys like Canseco (who only ended up on the team due to a waivers block), Gooden and Strawberry already won rings elsewhere and were among the best players in baseball long before they were Yankees are often remembered for being a part of Yankee championship teams.

      • nsalem

        Ranking players in order of value for those years is everything
        those years were not about. sum>parts

  • ultimate913

    I see the problem with Burnett. It’s all the offense’s fault. Look :
    When the Yanks give him 0 – 2 runs of support, he has a 3.53 ERA
    When 3 – 5, 7.76
    When 6+, 3.44

    Yankees should just score 0 -2 or 6+ every time A.J. is out and they’ll be fine.

    /notserious’d

    • YankeesJunkie

      He would have been an ace with 2008 Yankees.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    Over/Under RAB daily radio shows before Ben makes an appearance.

    I take 52.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Ben does TV. Radio is beneath him.

      He’s like Linda Evangelista. He doesn’t get out of bed for less than $10,000.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        (thinks to himself) “Hmmmmm…spend 13K on Yankee tix or 10 grand to get Linda Evangelista in bed…..hmmmmmm”

      • pat

        She kinda looks like Milla Jovovich.

  • Avi

    I wouldn’t trade Montero or Phil Hughes straight up for Justin Upton. Montero is younger, cheaper, and plays a position where offense is much more scarce. If you love Upton based on his upside (and I do) Jesus has as much upside offensively. It would be a disappointment if Montero had the year Upton did in his age 23 season.
    Phil Hughes is a starter who I believe could turn into a front line guy soon . And as we know front line starters are much harder to come by than good hitters, even great ones.

    Also, as amazingly talented as Upton is you have to at least entertain the possibility that he doesn’t fulfill his potential. In which case, he’ll be a very expensive player for the next five years (average $10M a year). You have to think that this is at least part of the D-backs thinking in listening to what teams are offering for him.
    I’d be shocked if the D-backs get a better Major League player than Brett Gardner.
    If Upton is traded, I think Gardner, their choice of a killer B, Nova and Nunez will be equal or greater to the package they get for him.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Hughes, no, I wouldn’t move for Upton.

      Montero alone, yeah, you’ve kinda gotta do that. Montero’s bat is probably better, but it’s not by much. Certainly not enough to compensate for the defensive issues. Upton can actually play a non-1B/DH position well. That’s a huge advantage over Montero.

      No matter how bullish you are on Montero’s defense, by the time he’s in his late 20s and holes have opened at 1B and DH, he’s gonna get moved, because he’s going to be a defensive liability. That’s not a fait accompli, but it’s pretty damn close to one. Upton will be able to play a corner OF position for the next 15 years.

      Huge advantage.

      • YankeesJunkie

        I would keep his bat his bat is just too good and if he gets anywhere close to a Miguel Cabrera bat then he will be more valuable than Upton even at 1B.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Agreed, but Justin Upton’s bat is damn special as well. He strikes out a little too much, but he’s a kid who already has a career .272/.352/.471 line with a .356 wOBA and a 115 wRC+ through his age 22 season.

          If Montero comes up to the bigs and puts up Upton’s age 21 and 22 rate stats over the next two seasons (.287/.361/.489, 121 OPS+), that’s an amazing success. Amazing. What Upton’s already done is damn near Montero’s ceiling.

        • Reggie C.

          “Anywhere close”

          Sorry, but what does that mean. If Montero isn’t Miggy Cabrera 2.0 , then what is he?
          Paul Konerko perhaps (a one-time catching prospect)?

      • Reggie C.

        Who’s better for the next 10 years: Jason Heyward or Justin Upton?

        I think Upton is that level a talent. You definitely trade Montero in a straight-up deal for Upton. I’d dress up a trade with a Ivan Nova, but probably not a killa B.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          I’d probably take Heyward. Similar bat, fewer K’s, better defender in the corner.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          Heyward.

        • YankeesJunkie

          Heyward.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          I’d probably take Heyward, but I’d trade Montero straight up for either of them.

        • ultimate913

          I say Heyward. I’ll give him the advantage because of his age and being a lefty. They both strike out alot but, I’ll take Heyward.

          • Avi

            If you’re the Yankees how do you trade Montero for Heyward or Upton? Even if those guys are amazing the difference between them and the guy they’d be replacing (Swish or Gardner) isn’t nearly the difference between Jesus and the guy he’s replacing (Cervelli).
            Heyward and Upton would have to hit about 50 homers and drive in about 160 runs to equal the upgrade Montero gives you over Cervelli.

            • ultimate913

              If you’re the Yankees how do you trade Montero for Heyward or Upton?

              By trading and saying no trade backsies.

              Even if those guys are amazing the difference between them and the guy they’d be replacing (Swish or Gardner) isn’t nearly the difference between Jesus and the guy he’s replacing (Cervelli).

              Do you really expect Garnder to repeat last years offensive numbers? Remember Gardner is already 27 while Swisher is 29. They’re in their prime. Upton and Heyward are 23 and 20, respectively. They can pretty much only get better. Throw in the fact that Swisher is only under team control for about 2 more seasons while Upton and Heyward are for 5 more years. And one thing the Yankees minor league system is known for is being catcher-rich. They can let Montero go because Romine is about one year behind while J.R. Murphy and Sanchez are a couple of years away.

              Heyward and Upton would have to hit about 50 homers and drive in about 160 runs to equal the upgrade Montero gives you over Cervelli.

              No. They would have to just be themselves to equal the upgrade Montero gives you over Cervelli. Throw in the fact that many scouts have said that Montero is slow behind the plate and we don’t know how he’ll perform offensively in the bigs, it might not even be close.

              • Avi

                You made some points I think are good and others I think are wrong. I don’t have the energy to go through each one.
                Good night guys. Gonna hit the sack.

      • Avi

        “No matter how bullish you are on Montero’s defense, by the time he’s in his late 20s and holes have opened at 1B and DH, he’s gonna get moved, because he’s going to be a defensive liability. That’s not a fait accompli, but it’s pretty damn close to one. Upton will be able to play a corner OF position for the next 15 years.”

        I totally agree on Montero’s defense. I don’t even think he lasts into his upper 20′s as a catcher. But if he plays just five years at catcher he’s more valuble than Upton.
        Give me the five year catcher and my current corner outfielders over a guy who can play a corner spot for 15 years. Also the Yankees aren’t married to swish and gardner for the next 15 years you know.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      You’re alone.

      Upton doesn’t just have upside in the majors, he has had a shit-ton of success at a very young age. There is no guarantee that Montero will hit in the majors (he likely will) but there is a much, much smaller chance he does so as a catcher. I love Hughes, but I will drive him to Arizona on a moped if it means bringing back Upton. You say that Upton may not fulfill his potential, but just assume Montero and Hughes will? Does not compute.

      • Avi

        I’m not saying Montero or Upton will or won’t fulfill their potential. Just that being it’s potential with both of them, I’d rather have the guy who’s younger, cheaper and has more positional value. If it was a given that Upton stays at his current level production over the next five years no one would touch his contract with a ten foot pole. So you’re banking on potential with both of them.
        With Hughes, I think right now he’s a more valuable player than Upton is. They both have room to grow. So gimme the guy who’s ahead in his development and happens to be the most valuable commodity in baseball; a starting pitcher (and even more so for the Yankees).

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          Upton, if he continues at his current level of production is a steal at his current contract. Since turning 20 his line is .277/.359/.482. That’s easily worth what he’s going to get paid.

          • Avi

            .277/.359/.482is a steal at $10M a year??
            That line seems about league average to me for a starting corner outfielder.

            • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

              Major League hitters in 2010:

              as LF: .270/.337/.432
              as RF: .270/.342/.442

              .277/.359/.482 from a guy who turned 23 just a couple of months ago? Yea, worth it.

              • Avi

                I said STARTING corner OF’s. Guys with like 500 AB’s or more. Or starters that get less than 500 AB’s that were hurt like Nelson Cruz. You can’t include collin curtis and chad huffman in the equation.

                • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                  There were 25 corner outfielders who qualified for the batting title.

                  Upton was 20th in hits, 17th in doubles, 8th in walks, 1st in strikeouts, 7th in stolen bases, 19th in batting average, 12th in OBP, 16th in SLG, and 14th in OPS.

                  Seems pretty middle of the pack. He was also the second youngest of the 25.

                  • Avi

                    Great research! Thank you

                  • Avi

                    Do you know what the 25 guys’ collective line is?
                    (BA,OBP,Slugging)

                    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                      Don’t see any easy way to sum them, and that would take far more time than I have.

                      Batting average ranges from .315 (Ichiro) to .246 (Carlos Lee), OBP goes from .401 (Choo) to .291 (Carlos Lee again), SLG goes from .532 (Holliday and Werth) to .316 (Juan Pierre. Gardner is second from the bottom at .379) and OPS goes from .922 (Holliday) to .657 (Pierre)

    • pete

      “It would be a disappointment if Montero had the year Upton did in his age 23 season.”

      This is the problem with yankees fans. (no offense)

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      It would be a disappointment if Montero had the year Upton did in his age 23 season.

      lolwut? There is so much wrong with this statement.

  • yankees1717

    i think the yanks are better served using their many chips on a position of need, like, you know, pitcher?

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Heh it’s not like they’ll get a good chance of sticking. If they don’t show signs of dominating in their first year you’re likely not starting another game. We can make fun of Rob but the Yankees really didn’t show patience with their blue chips. I pray to Mo this changes but I’m not optimistic.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        The sad thing about Rob was that he did have a point with that but then he went so insane when he was blabbering on about how Hughes isn’t Steve Carlton and Wang must’ve sucked because of his low K rate, ignoring that his career FIP was actually lower than his ERA and his xFIP is .06 higher. And all the logical inconsistencies. And uh, everything else really

        • JobaWockeeZ

          Oh yeah he hated not giving Joba a chance even tough he sucked somewhat and said why Hughes sucks. But if strugglig is normal then why bash Hughes?

          I stopped taking it seriously since then.

  • cj

    Romine, Heathcott, Joba OR Robertson, Nova OR Banuelos, Brackman FOR Upton,Clay Zavada AND his moustache

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      Isn’t Zavada a Minor League free agent?

    • bonestock94

      Upton can potentially be a top tier star, it would take a hell of a lot more than that.

  • First time lawng time

    What does everyone think will be he Yankees acquisitions?

    • YankeesJunkie

      Lee and a cheap lefty and a cheap bench player.

  • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    Upton is younger than, among others:

    Carlos Santana
    Desmond Jennings
    Justin Smoak
    Wade Davis
    Jeremy Hellickson
    Michael Taylor
    Chris Carter
    Pedro Alvarez

    And has already played in over 400 MLB games with an OPS north of .800. He is a beast. Not a potential ridiculous upside beast, he’s a beast who’s very likely to get better.

  • pat

    HOLY SHIT GLORY DAZE IS ON

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    /double fists Four Loko

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      Aren’t they illegal in New York?

      • CP

        I don’t believe so. I believe there was just an agreement to not sell them in New York. So stock up before they’re all gone!

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Great; the faster that show starts, the faster it can be canceled.

  • bonestock94

    We’re probably dwelling too much on a typical inquiry. That said, this is one of the few trades I wouldn’t mind saying goodbye to some combination of Montero, Gardner, Hughes, Banuelos, Betances, etc.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      I would. OF is something the Yankees are set with for the next couple of years. There’ll be a slight upgrade sure and perhaps a bigge rone in the long term but the Yankees are always going to need pitching and catching will also be a need.

      I’d like Upton but trading from him hurts mroe than helps unelss they pull a Marlin’s and it’s Romine + Eric Wordkemper.

  • First Time Poster

    Since the D’Backs already have IPK… couuld the Yanks not just sign Melky and trade him to complete the package?

    IPK + Melky for Upton. Done deal.

  • Pasqua

    Ugh. Listening to the Braves GM talk about Dan Uggla’s “ingtangibles” and his “grittiness.” Jesus, man. Why don’t you just say what you mean to say: “He hits a shitload of homeruns”?

  • ZZ

    Justin Upton is one of the single most talented players in all of baseball to the point where you don’t say his ceiling is one of the 10 best players in the game, you almost expect it to happen as he matures. The comparisons cited above like Sizemore, Kemp, Adam Jones, and Granderson are off base. Upton is on a different level in terms of talent than those guys. The only other outfielders in baseball with Upton’s talent are Josh Hamilton and Jason Heyward. Hamilton is the type of ceiling those two have.

    Add in his contract which is a big bonus and that is why it will take an absolute haul to get him. A type of package that will positively transform the fate of the Diamonbacks franchise. Just a haul of major league and close to major league young players.

    The type of package that starts with Hughes, Montero, and Betances or Banuelos and then goes from there. In terms of Boston, you are dreaming if you think players like Casey Kelly or anyone else down in their system is getting that conversation started.

    For the Red Sox you are talking about starting with Buchholz and then gutting the Red Sox system for any top end talent they have and even then it would be tough for them to acquire him because they don’t have the close to major league high end talent to make the package overwhelm Towers.

    Jon Lester is the player that really gets the conversation going with the Diamondbacks if the Red Sox want him. That is the type of trade value Justin Upton has.

    More importantly, with Towers running the show you are not getting away with the Gardners or the Novas as main pieces of the deal. You are absolutely starting with Hughes and Montero. Towers knows the system top to bottom.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      nods in agreement

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      I pretty much totally agree with every word of this (some of the stuff is just nitpicking, like I think Heyward and Upton are IMMENSELY talented but in different ways. Upton will be more of a power guy, Heyward is more of an OBP guy). Which means you’re gonna change all of it right ;)

      • ZZ

        Heh. I accept your nitpick. I didn’t mean to infer they were the same type of player. Just that level of elite talent :)

  • Stratman9652

    Tell me again why there is an ongoing conversation about aquiring outfielders? What are we really lacking out there? Is an upgrade over Gardner’s mediocre power really so nessesary that people would be OK with pawning off top prospects or boatloads of cash or is there something else I’m missing?

    • ultimate913

      Meh. There isn’t anything else to talk about. Knicks are about to lose for the 6th straight time and Lee is apparently not going to making a decision until December.