Nov
30

Source: Greinke says he ‘likes New York’

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Here’s one from Yahoo! Sports’ Jeff Passan that’s just designed to send Yankee fans into a tizzy: A source close to Zack Greinke says the mercurial ace would consider pitching in New York. “I wouldn’t put it past him to go to New York,” Passan’s source said. “I don’t think he’d rule out anybody. He says he likes New York. Especially because they’re winners. He wants to go to a team that wins. He’s got a list, but in the process, a lot of people have lists.”

This development essentially flies in the face of everything we’ve heard about Greinke so far. The right-hander, who has struggled with social anxiety disorder and depression, has reportedly been adverse to joining the Yankees, and his no-trade clause requires him to consent to a deal to the Bronx. Still, Passan reports that the Yanks and Royals have discussed Greinke and that the no-trade clause ” isn’t the impediment it’s been made out to be.” If Cliff Lee slips through their fingers or Andy Pettitte retires, the Yanks could very well begin to explore packaging some young talent for Greinke.

154 Comments»

  1. Anthony Murillo says:

    I’d rather keep Montero and sign Cliff Lee to be honest.

    • pete says:

      I don’t think Montero would be in this deal unless it were a straight-up kind of thing (or something similar – aka Montero + 3 C+/B- prospects). I’m not sure either side would be super excited about that, though, as KC would have to bank on Montero sticking at catcher, since they’ve already got Butler at DH, and the Yankees would be forced to play the same Jorge/Frankie tandem in 2011.

      In terms of sheer value, Montero would be the kind of player a team would need to give up if they didn’t want to give up too much else, but I don’t see either side really making a play there. The Yanks could theoretically afford to trade Gardner and a pitching prospect or three, and the Royals need pitching and outfield (and defensive) help more than they need a nothing-but-bat (aka Butler) kind of player.

      • yankees1717 says:

        royals would demand montero. regardless of need when you trade a player like greinke you get the other team’s top prospect back.

  2. RL says:

    I’m gonna wait till the off-season is over and check back then to see how all these things play out. No reason to speculate on what might occur. I’ll be reading Second Ave Saga till then ….

  3. Damian says:

    This might be another empty quote from an underinformed source, but it also might show that “everything we’ve heard about Greinke so far” has been pretty loosely-sourced stuff. Other than the Yankees being on his no-trade list, is there anything real?

    • Sayid J. says:

      Well, being on his no-trade list is as real as it gets. Hard to just ignore that.

      • rbizzler says:

        Yeah, but there are a multitude of reasons why he would have large markets on his no-trade. At the very least, it gives him some leverage in the proceedings.

        • That. There’s not much need to put teams like the Pirates or Nationals on your no-trade list, those teams aren’t going to trade for you anyway (and if they do, it doesn’t change your long-term financial planning).

          You want to put teams on your no-trade list that would be big-money teams interested in trading for you and extending you, so that you can use the leverage to your advantage.

  4. FIPster Doofus says:

    “If Cliff Lee slips through their fingers or Andy Pettitte retires, the Yanks could very well begin to explore packaging some young talent for Greinke.”

    That’s exactly what I expect to happen if the Lee pursuit goes awry. However, it’s going to cost a ton to get Greinke, and I don’t want to see the Yankees surrender the key pieces it would take to acquire him.

    • Bryan L says:

      My hope is that they only make an attempt for Greinke if they somehow can’t get Cliff Lee or resign Andy Pettitte. But I don’t want to send Montero for a guy who potentially may not be able to handle NY.

      Fortunately the chances of us missing on both Lee and Pettitte are minimal.

  5. vinny-b says:

    is there any chance the Royals don’t trade Grienke this off-season ?

    I only ask, because the Royals are my 2nd favorite team. And i hope Grienke isn’t traded this off-season.

  6. Avi says:

    YES!! This is the best news of the off season so far.
    Brian Cashman and the the Yankees front office: PLEASE get creative and use the immense depth this farm system has to trade for Greinke WITHOUT giving up Montero.
    Andy has already said this is his last year IF he comes back. There are no good free agent starters next year. Time to POUNCE on Grenkie AND Lee.
    Go Yanks!

  7. CS Yankee says:

    Grit Gardner and Joba to KC for Greinke?

  8. pete says:

    Long-term I may like Greinke better than Lee. It would depend 402838383% on the package we sent, though. But I’d be willing to part with, be the Yanks driven to the point where they need Greinke because they’ve failed on FAs, something like the following:

    Gardner/Banuelos/Betances/Nova

    Nova would likely be at least a candidate for their 2011 rotation, and Gardner would probably become their most productive offensive player. They’d get a great all-around SP prospect in Banuelos and a long-shot with potentially big payoff in Betances.

    Again, this is only if we can’t get Lee AND Pettitte doesn’t come back, and it would be my limit in that scenario. If Lee signs, I’d replace Gardner and Banuelos with lesser prospects (not going to get it done); if Pettitte signs but Lee doesn’t, I’d replace Banuelos with a lesser prospect (probably would not get it done).

    If the Yankees are put in a scenario where making a realistic trade for Greinke becomes even particularly attractive, let alone necessary, however, I probably won’t be a very happy camper to begin with.

  9. Chop It Up says:

    Grit Gardner and Joba to KC for Greinke?
    Throw Melky and IPK in there and we got a deal!
    /not really

  10. Anthony Murillo says:

    I just want Cliff Lee. Just get it done, Cashninja

  11. LGY says:

    Just give Lee the cash goddammit.

  12. Avi says:

    We have to at least entertain the possibility that the “no New York” reports were true and the Royals are just trying to get the Yankees (and other big market teams) involved in the bidding here.

  13. Corporate Scum (Formerly Joe West's Music Career) says:

    Greinke for AJ + $200MM.

    Get it done Ninja!!

  14. Kiersten says:

    I’d have no problem trading for Greinke even if we get Lee and Petttitte comes back.

    We have a logjam for a year (and inevitably someone is going to get hurt) and then a solid 5 for 2012 (well, as solid as it can be with AJ anyway). Not to mention, insurance in case CC opts out.

  15. mbonzo says:

    For some reason I never liked Greinke. I have no way of explaining it so don’t give me a lecture on his stats because I know what they look like. Theres just something about Greinke thats AJ Burnett like to me. From the games I’ve seen, he’s either good Greinke, or he’s bad Greinke.

  16. icebird753 says:

    Who gives a damn? I like Florida, as well as Albuquerque. I’d like them even more if they offered me a 140 million dollar deal, too

  17. Plank says:

    Pena, Nunez, Golson, AJ, and Steinbrenner’s excessive monument for Greinke, Moustakas, Montgomery, Lamb, and Soria. If they balk, throw in a few million.

    BOOM!

  18. A.D. says:

    Thinking about it doesn’t it make more sense to put teams on your list that might actually trade for you, so then you, the player have leverage in the negotiation. If you’re Grienke you know Pittsburgh probably isn’t going to trade for you at this point, and a team like the Astros doesn’t have the farm to trade for anyone, so might leave them off the list. Whereas as team like the Yanks or Sox might be more likely to go after you.

    • Corporate Scum (Formerly Joe West's Music Career) says:

      This.

      Also, it’s a 15 team no trade list. So, the Yankees would be a 51.7% chance to be on it if he picked the teams out of a hat.

  19. If it can be done w/o giving up Montero, the Yankees should do it. If it can’t be done w/o giving up Montero, the Yankees should still at least consider it.

  20. bonestock94 says:

    Just imagine; CC, Lee, Pettitte, Greinke, Hughes.

    Ok, that’s enough, back to reality.

  21. Mike Axisa says:

    Hell, even if they sign Lee, I say go get Greinke anyway. No such thing as too much pitching, especially when you’re talking about guys of this caliber.

    • Tom Zig says:

      That would leave Andy Pettitte as the odd man out, right?

      • Mike Axisa says:

        They’re looking for a second lefty in the bullpen, right?

      • JGS says:

        Andy to the pen!

        (cue Francesa rant)

      • Corporate Scum (Formerly Joe West's Music Career) says:

        Umm…. if Andy was the odd man out, and AJ had a spot in the rotation, I would…. I would….. stop being a Yankee fan.

        No. Wait. That’s not it. Don’t think I’m capable of that.

        I’d shoot my TV.

      • Avi says:

        To me if the Yanks have $15M to spend on one player for 2011 (after getting Lee and bringing back Pettitte) I’d much rather have Greinke and Nunez (or another REPLACEMENT SS) than Jeter. Even considering the prospects they’d have to give up.
        Burnett is the odd man out, thank Mo.

        • radnom says:


          Burnett is the odd man out, thank Mo.

          Burnett has a contract, Andy does not.

          Is the upgrade at 5th starter from AJ -> Andy worth whatever Andy Pettite will make this year? No. Pettitte is the odd man out in this scenario.

          • Tom Zig says:

            Burnett has a contract, Andy does not.

            Repeated for emphasis.

          • Avi says:

            “Is the upgrade at 5th starter from AJ -> Andy worth whatever Andy Pettite will make this year? No. Pettitte is the odd man out in this scenario.”

            Are you asking if paying Pettitte about 12M is worth it if he’s REPLACING Burnett in the rotation? The answer to that is ABSOLUTELY!
            Burnett was replacement level or worse this past year. That’s a huge upgrade.

            • JobaWockeeZ says:

              That. Pettite is a better pitcher than AJ. Especially now when AJ could be anywhere from a replacement player to a number 2. However it’s much more likely it’s somewhere in the middle but still not anywhere near Andy’s level.

              I’d take Andy instead of the 10 million you save. Stick AJ in the pen ro dump him for all I care if the above scenario comes to reality.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        AJ has good stuff in the pen. The only starter I would consider ‘TO T3H 8TH’

  22. Pat D says:

    Still not getting on board with this. As someone who has suffered from depression, I know what it’s like to be depressed. Mainly in that it never really goes away. It lingers.

    Considering Greinke’s depression was so recent, who’s to say what happens if he starts getting shelled and booed at the Stadium? Ed Whitson all over again? Or does he work his way through it.

    Put me in the camp of not believing he could succeed under those circumstances. I like Greinke and certainly root for him, but I just don’t think the risk is worth the cost.

    • Monteroisdinero says:

      Girardi a better fit for a fragile psyche than Billy Martin was for Whitson’s.

    • a plethora of pinatas says:

      Would he be AJ part deux?

    • Poopy Pants says:

      As if ‘depressed’ = one narrow specific thing.

      Maybe he’s partly depressed because he’s on a shitty team with no hope of improving?
      Being depressed and having social anxiety doesn’t necessarily mean he can’t stand on a mound once a week and throw 100 pitches while (probably) getting good run support and being surrounded by future HOF’ers for the first time in his MLB career.
      Playing in NYC doesn’t mean he has to socialize with 50,000 fans every day.

      I’m sure many players have all sorts of mental issues that they deal with.

      • ColoYank says:

        Okay, steering clear of being preachy here (I hope), but clinical depression is a certain condition that can be diagnosed and, if left untreated, leads in an alarming number of cases to suicide. That said, treatments today are very successful.

        I suffered a bout of it a long time ago, and it’s no joke. If Greinke had it, it’s hard to believe he actually went out to the mound with any success while suffering it. It means, too, that he could/should be fine pitching for the Yanks, if he’s managed properly (and I don’t mean by Joe G).

        • T of N Y says:

          Plenty of us have been diagnosed with a depressive disorder. Plenty of us get over it and deal with it. I can’t imagine that Greinke hasn’t taken steps to deal with it. If he is interested in pitching for NY, he should be encouraged.

  23. Avi says:

    Two possible trades I saw for Greinke that I found interesting were Justin Upton and Colby Rasmus.
    I suspect that the dealing Upton is at least slightly financially motivated, So Greinke wouldn’t make a lot of sense for the D-Backs. Rasmus however, makes a ton of sense. The Royals aren’t getting a better player back better than Rasmus and the fact he plays center field makes him fit their future perfectly. Two of their best prospects, Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas (most likely top ten overall in the game) are corner infielders and Will Myers, another one of their top prospects is a Catcher now but could easily end up elsewhere. Throw Billy Bultler into the mix and you can easily see how nicely Rasmus fits in.

  24. theyankeewarrior says:

    Romine, Betences, Gardner, Noesi, Nunez?

  25. All Star Carl says:

    Trade Phil

  26. Will in NJ says:

    Greinke is young enough (and good enough) that I personally would have no qualms with trading any of the non-Jesus prospects for. I’d even think long and hard about a Greinke-Jesus straight up, but I’d doubt Moore (even in his immense stupidity) would do it seeing as they have Wil Myers at C and Hosmer at 1B for the next 10 years.

  27. Jose the Satirist says:

    My biggest concern with Greinke is his bout with MDD and social phobia. Recurrence for social phobia is around 35% over 10 years. Comorbid MDD has around a 70% recurrence over 10 years. Too much risk in my opinion when you have him move from Kansas City to a place like New York.

    • Chris V. says:

      source?

      • Jose the Satirist says:

        http://ajp.psychiatryonline.or.....162/6/1179

        It says recurrence for social phobia is 39% over 12 years from intake and 75% for comorbid MDD over 12 years from intake. They also have graphs that are in agreement with my above statements.

        • Shaun says:

          At the same time this article says roughly 44% of those diagnosed actually get treatment. That is something Greinke does so his chances of recurrence may be significantly lower than that.

          http://ajp.psychiatryonline.or.....type=HWCIT

          Honestly though its crazy that people think the man is a leper because of SAD. He has gone something far more stressful than a game, and came out all the better. Considering half the damn nation is on anti-depressants and/or anxiety the chances are very high that more than a few players and superstars are battling the same issues but aren’t saying anything unlike Greinke.

          No one says a single thing about addicts like Miguel Cabrera or Hamilton not being able to handle the spotlight. (an addict is always an addict, hence why no one is ever cured from an addiction) You don’t turn to drugs or booze because your happy, no people turn to those poisons because they are suffering from those same demons as Greinke is yet they weren’t strong enough to seek help.

  28. steve (different one) says:

    I am shocked this is leaking out right before the Lee bidding begins

  29. Mike HC says:

    I personally think Grienke would probably be fine if he came to NY mentally, but I just would not want to give that much up for him. No Hughes, no Montero, and if that Lefty B pitcher is as good as everyone is making him out to be, I don’t really want to give him up either. I guess if we don’t sign Lee and have to panic, maybe, but even then, I would not give up a huge amount for him.

  30. JerseyDutch says:

    At least we possibly maybe have a backup if the Lee deal falls through. Maybe. Or something.

  31. Granderslam says:

    I wonder if the Yankees expressed interest in Greinke, giving the Royals cause to ask Greinke in the first place. I mean, I understand the Yankees must do their due diligence, just curious if they are serious about a possible pursuit.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Likely not. Lee’s there for money and the Yankees like their trading chips.

    • ColoYank says:

      Well, if Cashman didn’t ask about him, you’d have to wonder why. The whole scenario of Greinke not wanting to rule out pitching for the Yanks seems entirely plausible.

      Isn’t this great fodder? Hot Stove League, early-season highlight, that’s what this post is.

      And my congratulations on the “serious” trade proposals. They serve a great purpose, namely, keeping me and all other Yankee afficionadoes (“Yankionadoes”? – Oh! That hurt.) thoroughly amused.

  32. Andrew Brotherton says:

    I’d do a Gardner, Joba, Betances, Romine, Warren, Nunez deal. That would give them two solid pitching prospects, a starting shortstop, a reliever/starter and a future catcher with great potential. 4 of our top 10 prospects and a young outfielder that is very cheap.

  33. Chris says:

    someone is probably trying to trade for him and bringing NY into the mix will drive up the price…No way a guy with Social Anxiety can pitch in NY…just look at Javy.

  34. Social Anxiety Disorder? Depression?

    Woody Allen is as New York as they get.

    So Zack, we got the most and the best shrinks, how bout it?

  35. Chris says:

    They could go for broke and trade the farm for Greinke and Upton and have a rotation of Lee, CC, Greinke, Hughes and whoever….but seriously no..i dont want another head case.

  36. jbkx says:

    No to Greinke. Pissing away good trading chips on a guy who could jump off of a bridge at any time seems drastic.

  37. Ross says:

    First, I believe the S.A.D. would be a self-fulfilling prophecy when it comes to NY fans / media and how tough they can be if you don’t produce 100% of the time.
    That being said, I would think the Royals would have to jump at Joba, Adams, Nova, and either Heathcott or Gardner. Joba would be close to home and a starter, Adams is blocked at second and this was a trouble spot for KC, Nova is a wildcard who happens to be ML-ready, and both Slade and Gardner play the Royals kind of ball (put it in play and run / + defense).
    I hate to lose Gardner but, it’s definitely selling high.

  38. yankees1717 says:

    i don’t like this. i don’t like this at all. while i love greinke as a player, i’m realllly scared not of his social abilities, but of the return he would command. like, they would want montero, two kiler b’s, joba, and gardner in all likelihood.

  39. Gonzo says:

    Try to trade for Greinke no matter what. What you give up depends all on your internal scouting. Obviously, their internal scouting is not public knowledge, so we can’t really know what they think fair value is. However, it will hurt and it might be worth it.

  40. Scott says:

    Social anxiety disorder…nothing a lot of run support and post-season hardware can’t cure!!!

  41. Joltin' Joe says:

    Don’t think they’d want Joba. He’s not too far from free agency at this point.

    Same with Gardner… soon to be arbitration player… not gonna help a basement-dwelling team like KC.

    They want Montero, who I want to see stick around. That means they’d probably want Romine and Banuelos, along with some other decent pieces (Adams?) and that still may not be enough.

    I think we’ll see Cliff pitching for us next year, but Greinke doesn’t seem too likely. Texas looks like the best bet.

  42. Mr. Jones says:

    Haven’t we seen this movie before i.e: Javy Vazquez, Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown etc.. Enough! This kid will crumble in a big market. Come on Cashman don’t let me down on this one. Grienke was born for a small market team like the Brewers or some other nothing franchise. He will mentally implode on that mound in any high leverage situation.

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