Nov
07

Sunday Open Thread

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Sorry for the tardiness, I blame daylight savings. Go nuts.

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  1. So you all can be as hungry as I am right now:

    http://goo.gl/52gMb

    (Thanks, Salty Buggah)

  2. Esteban says:

    So it turned out to be a good day for NY football. Knicks were very disappointing though.

  3. So I finally have a chance to post in the open thread, and this might not be a surprise to any of you, but hey, I gotsta job thingee.

  4. Carlosologist says:

    Whatever happened to Justin Upton? It seems like everybody stopped talking about him this season.

  5. cano is the bro says:

    damn i really wanted the colts to be the eagles today, that would have given the giants a 2 game lead in the NFC east

  6. mbonzo says:

    I’d like to know what it would take to trade for Matt Kemp. I know we’ve got 3 good outfielders but adding a bat like Kemp’s gives the Yankees a much better bench, a solid defensive outfield, and would help the outfield hit against lefty pitchers. Next year, Gardner’s .388 OBP is far from a guarantee, Granderson still has to prove his new swing will work in the long term, and Swisher’s the only one that Girardi seems to feel comfortable with hitting against lefties. Obviously, Kemp is far from a need for the Yankees but if he’s available for the right price, I think the Yankees would have one of the best outfields in baseball.

    Under Torre the Dodgers seemed eager to trade Kemp away, but with Mattingly taking over, word is that he’s got a longer leash on him. This might just be the Dodgers trying to get the upper hand in a trade though. What do you think it would take to get him?

    2010: .249/(OBP).310/(OPS).760

    • pat says:

      You don’t trade for Matt Kemp to put him on the bench.

      • mbonzo says:

        No, but what I’m saying is have a 4 outfield rotation. Sub him out every 4th day or so against a right handed pitcher. It guarentees that one of the 4 outfielders will be on the bench. Thats what the Yankees end up doing every year with a second grade outfielder who seems to still get a huge amount of starts due to injury or matchups.

        • It guarentees that one of the 4 outfielders will be on the bench.

          How is that a good thing? If Posada wasn’t around and you could use one of them as a DH every day/night, it might make a little more sense but as the team is constructed (or will be constructed) that doesn’t make much sense at all.

          • mbonzo says:

            For instance, I’d prefer to have a team with Matt Kemp on the bench than having Greg Golson on it (the same would go for the other three outfielders). I’m really just dreaming here but if I was a GM I would definitely check on what it would take to get Kemp.

      • Esteban says:

        I think he meant Gardner wold be on the bench

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Outfield’s too crowded as it is, he’ll probably go to one of the losers of the Crawford sweepstakes.

      • mbonzo says:

        I disagree, the 4th outfielder right now is Greg Golson. O_o

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          Yeah, I’m sure that will change soon enough. Besides, Kemp is too good, and too expensive, to be a 4th outfielder. Matt Diaz seems like a good candidate for the job, but not a guy like Matt Kemp. It’d require a good prospect or two along with the money. That’s idea just reeks of awfulness.

        • This isn’t a video game; there’s no need to have one of Gardner, Granderson, Swisher, or (hypothetically) Kemp on the bench, not getting reps one day.

          • mbonzo says:

            I said its far from a need, I just think its something to be explored if the Dodgers are truly itching to trade the guy. I love 2010 Gardner, I don’t think anyone predicted his OBP, but I still doubt he could replicate it. Kemp is insurance on my Yankees dream team.

        • candyforstalin says:

          you just don’t get how good greg golson really is.

  7. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Been thinking about the offseason, and the other two of the big three free agents and the two big trade targets. Victor Martinez seems all but gone from the Red Sox, and Beltre will probably command something lie 4/60 or so. Why hasn’t there been more Werth to Boston talk? Cameron and Drew are gone after next season and the rest of the outfield has injury and other issues too.

    San Francisco is in an interesting position. Having just won a World Series they could afford to raise payroll and make a big splash. There’s been a lot of talk about Jonathan Sanchez leaving town, dealing him to the Brewers as part of a package for Prince Fielder makes sense for both teams. San Fran’s offense blows, and the Brewers need pitching badly. After that, I think they should sign Carl Crawford. That outfield defense isn’t anything special, and replacing Burrell with Crawford seems like a good idea. Then to replace Sanchez Carl Pavano seems like a good fit. With a big offseason like that, and coming off a WS victory, they have to garner quite a bit of fan excitement allowing them to support a high payroll.

    Since I mentioned Martinez leaving Boston, the other team that played in the Fall Classic, Texas, could use a catcher and a first basemen…Martinez seems like a good fit there. Perhaps if they lose Cliff Lee they’ll look to trade for Zack Greinke.

    Another thought I’ve been having, is that seeing as how this is a relatively weak free agency class, I wonder if teams that spend quite a bit of time around .500 will consider dealing big names. The Mets with David Wright come to mind, there’s teams looking to get better and the market for third base is extremely weak. The D-Backs and Stephen Drew also come to mind, as do the Dodgers and anynumber of their arb eligible players. Tampa actually said that they wish to cut payroll, that means Shields, Garza, and Upton could be gone.

    I dunno…just some random thoughts while I’m waiting for this whole thing to get under way.

    • candyforstalin says:

      if the white soxs go into rebuilding mode, you can add a couple of interesting names too.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        I don’t think they are. They want Danks back and it doesn’t look like they’re gonna sell other pieces.

        It’s Kenny Williams after all.

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          That and they’ll likely get Adam Dunn and maybe one of the lesser free agency starters. Who knows, maybe even Zack Greinke.

    • bexarama says:

      - I’ve heard a lot of talk about Werth to Boston. They’re at least interested. Dunno how that would work. I guess they’d look to trade Ellsbury or Cameron or make one a bench fixture.

      - Didn’t hear about the Sanchez/Fielder SFG/MIL trade. I did hear that the Brewers and As were interested in trading, but that might’ve just been speculation. I’ve heard the Giants like Crawford too, but also that they’re not gonna go after big FAs, so…

      - I think I saw some article on like MLBTR maybe? that said that if Texas doesn’t keep Lee, they’ll try and go after Greinke.

      - Mike was saying in the chat on Friday that he thinks the Rays’ll trade one of Garza or Shields, probably Garza. Makes sense, he’s under control for fewer years and etc. They also seem to have a lot of faith in Shields using higher-level stats and stuff. I also think they’re frankly tired of Upton and might look to move him. But that’s just my speculation.

      - The Mets ain’t dealin’ Wright unless they get some offer that totally blows them away.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Regarding SF and big free agents, Sabean is still pissed that people said he was looking at Sabathia, when that was completely false. He said he didn’t want to be used as a leverage tool for another team, they just won a fucking world series…they’ll want to get better. Keith Law was talking in his most recent chat about how a Sanchez, Belt, etc. deal for Fielder isn’t that crazy.

        As far as the Mets and Wright goes…it’s not like they’ll realistically compete anytime soon. Yes, any offer they get for him will be a very good package…but still their team has several several holes and their farm isn’t exactly stacked. What wasted years for the core of that team.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

        • Reggie C. says:

          Re: Wright.

          If the St. Louis Cardinals called and offered Colby Rasmus + a couple pitching prospects for David Wright … the Mets almost have to do that right?

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            Probably, after that they’d likely try to unload Beltran to a team that lost out on Carl Crawford. They don’t have a realistic shot of competing next season, may aswell take a high end talent like Rasmus.

            • Reggie C. says:

              It’d probably take Rasmus + Jaime Garcia. If not Garcia then Shelby Miller. I cant see the new Mets GM take a package that wont bring back a top pitching prospect.

              Not sure if the Cards need Wright that bad.

              • Jimmy McNulty says:

                Well if they’re intent on keeping LaRussa they need to rid themselves of Rasmus and maximize his value. Wright seems like a good way to do that. They don’t need him per se, but if they want to deal Garcia and/or Rasmus that’s a hell of a haul.

      • Reggie C. says:

        The MLBTR link to the story of how the Rangers would try to pull off a Greinke trade really got me thinking that ownership group would and could pull that off.

        I guess a package would start with Neftali Feliz. Kinda scary to ponder though i’d wager that the rest of the Rangers rotation simply ain’t as good as they showed last month.

    • MikeD says:

      If both Martinez and Beltre aren’t resigned, the Red Sox have a serious offense issue. Certainly increases the odds that they’ll go in heavy on Werth, if not Werth and Crawford.

  8. bexarama says:

    OMG a whole EIGHT HOURS why don’t we have Lee and Jeter and Mo and Crawford and Felix and why hasn’t Cashman personally delivered me a diamond bracelet

    (Yes, this is sarcasm)

  9. pat says:

    Wow whoever that WR Ford is on Oakland, he’s gettin some lovin tonight. Two HUGE plays.

  10. Carlosologist says:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....BHeadlines

    HOLY SHIT GUYS WE’VE CONTACTED LEE’S REPRESENTATION

    /it’s a slow day

  11. mustang says:

    After a bye and going to Seattle I found out what the NY Giants are today.

    THE ANTI-COWGIRLS !!!!

    • mustang says:

      BIG FUCKING BLUE !!!!

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      You realize the baseball team that plays across the street from Cowboys Stadium just eliminated the Yankees from the playoffs in authoritative fashion, right?

      • bexarama says:

        Not really sure what this has to do with football?

      • pat says:

        What do the two have to do with each other?

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          The Schadenfreude of Yankee fans taking joy in the Cowboys’ shitty season is basically the same as Cowboys fans taking joy in the fact that the Rangers curbstomped the Yankees in the playoffs. I typically avoid taking shots at other teams’ fanbases, especially when that same fanbase also roots for a team that demolished one of mine in the playoffs. That’s just me though, perhaps you guys can just be like that fanbase up North, though.

          • bexarama says:

            A lot of Yankee fans are Giants fans and dislike the Cowboys for that. I don’t think it’s much about the Yankees at all.

            • Jimmy McNulty says:

              Well I think everyone here missed my point. The night after the Yankees got eliminated at the Bruins game the trivia question was “What team’s season ended last night?” Most Bruins fans are Red Sox fans and hate the Yankees for that, so would anyone here bitch about that? I consider that to be on the same level of douchebaggery to be about the same.

              • bexarama says:

                Still not really sure what your point is. I don’t think anyone’s gloating over the Cowboys losing because they hate the Rangers because the Rangers beat the Yankees. People are gloating over the Cowboys losing because they’re (football) Giants fans and they hated the Cowboys long before the 2010 ALCS.

                • Jimmy McNulty says:

                  My point is this: Schadenfreude is for weak, bitter douchebags…like those who root for that team up north. At least, they’re the fanbase I most usually associate Schadenfreude with…because of which I find it annoying and lame.

                  • pat says:

                    Mustang is gloating about the Cowboys misery because he’s a Giants fan. Not because he’s a disgruntled Yankees fan. Big difference.

                    • Jimmy McNulty says:

                      Yes, and everyone in at The Bank was gloating over the Yankees getting bounced in the playoffs because they were Red Sox fans…it still doesn’t make it any less lame.

                    • mustang says:

                      Thank you.
                      See its really not that hard.

                    • mustang says:

                      Its only lame because your team sucks.

                      7 to 0 Green bay

                    • pat says:

                      What’s the point of being a sports fan if you can’t gloat when your enemies play poorly? Personally I think that’s asking a little too much to expect a fan to only celebrate his own team and not take pleasure in the downfall of his bitter enemy. Especially when said bitter enemy is jammed down your throat by the MSM week in and week out.

                    • pat says:

                      I thin it’s something we’ll just disagree about.

                    • Jimmy McNulty says:

                      Well I think when fans of other teams get all excited and basically take the “root for any team playing the Yankees” mantra is lame, bitter, and small; but if you’re okay with that and the general behavior of Boston fans I guess it’s all good.

                    • I don’t think you understand the hatred that the rest of America possess toward the Cowboys. It’s the same thing as non-Yankee fans — or in your case, Red Sox fans — rooting against the Yankees. Gloating.

                    • Jimmy McNulty says:

                      Yes Ben, I understand that, and that’s why I find it annoying. Though I guess when you’re a Yankee fan you have to take your opportunities to be bitter and take shots at other teams when you can…

                    • pat says:

                      It has nothing to do with being a Yankee fan. It ha everything to do with being a Giants fan and loving the shit out of this game right now.

                  • Jimmy McNulty says:

                    My point was, as a Yankee fan it pisses me off when I see shirts that say shit like “Sweet Jesus I Hate the Yankees” or “Jesus Hates The Yankees” shit like that. Or everyone in the bar (I live in the midwest) whenever a Yankee pitcher allows a run…shit like that. So, when I see it happening to other teams, I think it’s just as lame. However, as a Yankee fan I don’t often get the opportunity to be an embittered small asshole, so I suppose I should take it when I get it.

          • mustang says:

            It has nothing to do with being a Yankees fan. I HATE the Cowgirls with all my soul even more then I hate the Red Sox. They could lose for a 1000 years and it wouldn’t be enough for me.
            The most enjoyable part is watching the Cowgirl fans looking for answers and already dream of next years draft.

            Love it. Tear running down my face.

            • Jimmy McNulty says:

              Yeah, when a team spent a decade being good they typically garner more hatred than a team that went 86 years with out a title. Most Cowboys fans aren’t looking for answers, they’re busy writing love letters to Bill Cower, at least that’s the ones I know. I just find it hard to make fun of a team, when the team that plays, literally right across the street, eliminated my favorite team from the playoffs. That’s just me.

              • mustang says:

                BASEBALL and FOOTBALL two different sports.

                Yes just you.

                Hey they made it past the 1st Quarter and are not losing.

                YESSSSSS!!!!!

                • Jimmy McNulty says:

                  Gee…I thought they were the same fucking thing, I always wondered why there weren’t any bats on the Gridiron, I think if they allowed them players like Blount to use them they’d be hall of famers.

                  I don’t give a shit about the Cowboys, by the way. They can go 1-15 for run the table for all I care.

                • mbonzo says:

                  “The Cowboys are America’s team.”
                  That cockiness sums up my hatred towards them.

                  • Jimmy McNulty says:

                    That’s where their bandwagon following comes from, mainly. Cities without a team started to root for the newer teams. FWIW: The Cowboys were the first team to have cheerleaders, what’s more American than objectifying women? Answer me that.

          • Ray the Anti-Handle says:

            Or he’s a Giants fan and he derives joy from seeing the Giants’ bitter rival have a laughably bad season?

      • mustang says:

        Dude you wrote the same thing last week can you at least change it bit. This is FOOTBALL not baseball. That same team that “eliminated the Yankees” got their ass handed to them in the WS. The Yankees won that thing last year by the way.

        Now go watch the Cowgirls LOSE AGAIN!

      • Carlosologist says:

        People in Dallas care more about football than baseball. I bet ~45% of the 55K who went to the games found about baseball a week before the playoffs.

    • Reggie C. says:

      Yeah. I thought SEA was going to put up a fight. I can get use to these ‘ol fashioned blow out wins.

      • mustang says:

        It was a total set up for a lost game for the Giants ( after a bye and Seattle) and they just ran them over.

        Great win!

  12. pat says:

    Brother Jimmy’s brisket = WIN

  13. Yo, Rangers, score a goal.

    /trying to become a fan

  14. bexarama says:

    So where do people think Manny ends up next year?

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Oakland.

    • Carlosologist says:

      Yankees

      I think he brings his career full circle and signs with Cleveland.

    • mbonzo says:

      Uhh I’d say maybe Blue Jays or back with the White Sox. Rangers or Rays might be a fit too. I don’t think the Angels will offer him a contract but maybe he’d want to stay in LA.

    • Reggie C. says:

      Tampa Rays.

      Assuming Garza doesn’t get traded in some return for a young, cheap power hitter, I can see Manny fill that DH role.

      • Ray the Anti-Handle says:

        For some reason, I find it really hard to imagine Manny in a Rays uniform.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        They won’t shed the cash. If a contract is above one million I find it doubtful they get anyone.

      • MikeD says:

        Be interesting to see what happens with Manny, and how Boras handled him. There is no big-bucks contract coming for an aging DH. He’s been making $20 million a year for nearly a decade. Now he’s going to have to face playing ball for perhaps a few million, which might not make him happy, and an unhappy Manny is not a good thing.

  15. Carlosologist si ya esta aki necesita su ayuda de español…gchat por favor?

  16. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Family Guy captured the Mets season perfectly.

    “Opening day for the Mets! First pitch! And the season is over.”

  17. pat says:

    Anchorman on TBS. Awesome./

  18. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Thesis: the reason the Yankees failed to take home 28 this year was because Jay-Z didn’t write a song for them.

    • Carlosologist says:

      A thesis requires three reasons, no?

      /high school’d

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        1.) New York State of Mind/2009
        2.) THEY LOST GAME ONE WHEN JAY-Z AND ALCIA KEYS WERE RAINED OUT!!!!!!!
        3.) Without a theme song for the season they lost the will to play, for evidence watch their at bats during the Texas series.

      • Haha, I feel bad for you. You’ve had it beaten into your head since sixth grade that the five paragraph essay is the shit; once you get to college, it doesn’t apply.

  19. Me, to Carlosologist: Go google the GCL 2010 Batting stats, [sanchez] is at or near the top of everything and his teammate Mr. Flores ain’t too far behind.

    Carlosologist: Holy sweet Jesus….no pun intended

  20. pat says:

    HAHAHAHA schadenfreude or not, that was fuckin hilarious. And Wade couldn’t challenge.

    • Reggie C. says:

      Jerry Jones is firing up the jet as i type this. The team is going to have to walk to Jersey.

      • pat says:

        I just had a bad premonition… would Cowher come out of the studio to coach the Boys? It’s pretty clear Wade has to go. You know Jerry would pay Bill a boatload and Cowher wouldn’t have to do a compete roster overhaul especially considering they have the pieces for a pretty good 3-4 already in place. Supposedly Cowher is “waiting out” Coughlin, but I think the Big D could be a pretty sweet landing spot for The Chin. The Giant fan in me hates this idea, but I;d love to see him back in football.

        • Reggie C. says:

          Well … this kind of implosion definitely presents itself as an opportunity for Cowher. Why hold out for a Giants job when Jerry Reese could extend Coughlin’s contract a year or two depending on how this season turns out. Cowher fits in Dallas bc as you put it, that D has talented 3-4 components already in place.

  21. Jimmy McNulty says:

    I was listening to the radio, and apparently there’s a new “top riffs” list. I forget what it was, but the list was pretty terrible (Smells Like Teen Spirit made the cut), so I’ll list my ten favorites in no particular order:

    Communication Breakdown – Led Zeppelin
    Children of the Grave – Black Sabbath
    Master of Puppets – Metallica
    Tornado of Souls – Megadeth
    Madhouse – Anthrax
    Woman From Tokyo – Deep Purple
    Carry On My Wayward Son – Kansas
    Breaking the Law – Judas Priest
    Walk This Way – Aerosmith
    Sweet Child – Guns and Roses.

  22. swishers fauxhawk says:

    Honestly, the unraveling of the Cowboys has been amazingly better than expected.

    • Reggie C. says:

      its compelling television for sure.

      walking dead in 15 minutes! … though that kinda describes the ‘boys right now.

      • Kit says:

        Walking Dead!! I’m not a Kirkman fan, but definitely one of my favorite graphic novels before he started being creepy with it.

      • Esteban says:

        Sunday night’s got some good TV going on. Dexter, Walking Dead, Boardwalk Empire.

      • Esteban says:

        Why don’t zombies ever eat eachother?

        • Kit says:

          Rotting meat doesn’t taste very good, apparently. What I want to know is where the wolves and bears are at. You’d think this would be like a massive free for all. Easy prey. They can handle the bacteria.

          • Esteban says:

            Zombies can differentiate by taste? Another question: can animals become zombies? If so, imagine zombie bears!

            • Kit says:

              Bears are already one of my biggest fears, so zombie bears would just be a sign that I should go the coward’s route and totally shoot myself. I don’t know what zombies can do, but they never eat each other…I’m guessing it’s the rotting meat thing.

              • Esteban says:

                Haha on the other hand, since all zombies seem to have bum legs, maybe zombie bears would also be slower and therefore less dangerous than normal bears.

  23. Reggie C. says:

    Okay. Dez Bryant came to play. Can kitna give miles austin some love? My fantasy team would appreciate it. thxbye

  24. pat says:

    Love the Sad Cowboys montage.

  25. pat says:

    Oof. Roy just got blasted.

  26. Hall and Nokes says:

    What is the line going to be next week? My word.

  27. Pat D says:

    Giants better just destroy this pathetic team next week. No looking past them to the Eagles, beat the shit out of Jerry’s underachievers and move on.

    That being said, take that, Seahawks and your fake crowd noise.

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