Nov
02

Yankees remove Gaudin & Ring from 40-man roster, add Mesa

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Via Marc Carig, the Yankees have outrighted reliever Chad Gaudin and Royce Ring from the 40-man roster. Gaudin elected to become a free agent, and as far as I know Ring didn’t. High-A outfielder Melky Mesa was added to the 40-man, protecting him from this winter’s Rule 5 Draft. I’m not sure he’d be able to stick on a big league team’s 25-man roster all season in 2011, but okay. Gaudin and Ring were both on borrowed time, they were going to be cut one way or other at some point. Yay hot stove news.

Update: Mesa was scheduled to become a minor league free agency, that’s why they added him and the move came so quickly. Makes sense.

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  1. CBean says:

    /does the Gaudin’s Gone dance of joy

    Whatever you do Yankees, do not bring him back.

    • /does the Gaudin’s Gone dance of joy

      I’m joining you in that dance.

    • Gary Wallace says:

      He was gone last year as well and managed his way back to the Yanks. I don’t know how much hope to have with regards to this.

      • bexarama says:

        He was actually okayish for the Yankees in 2009, though, I remember when they let him go and kept Mitre there was complaining.

        • Clay Bellinger says:

          Yup…I did a little complaining on that…although it was a small sample size, Gaudin was actually really solid for us in ’09 and he was pretty versatile. I guess his luck had run out though.

          • bexarama says:

            I didn’t complain much because I realized they were both gonna be the mop-up guys, maybe spot starters, but yeah, after last year I would’ve rather had Gaudin than Mitre. Of course, now I want nothing to do with Gaudin and I’d be fine with Mitre as the cleanup guy. #ycpb

    • Clay Bellinger says:

      hahaha…you know the first time they need a long man this dude’s gonna be back somehow

  2. That’s the first one they’re protecting? I mean, I like him and all, but a little surprised.

    • CountryClub says:

      Filling one of those spots is toolsy outfielder Melky Mesa. Mesa would have been eligible for free agency had he not been added to the 40-man, hence this move being made immediately before other players are protected from the Rule 5.

      http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....esa-added/

    • Josh Z. says:

      Clicked through to your Twitter Rebecca – you’re not being attacked for being a girl, and saying so is a lie.

      If you’d like to counter anything I said here, please do. I’m still trying to figure out why the Yankees adding Melky Mesa is confusing you.

      You being a girl has nothing to do with it, so please don’t talk about it as if it does. It’s a very weak argument, if it’s an argument at all. I’m just trying to figure out why an individual or either gender is against or surprised by the fact that the Yankees did not want to lose Melky Mesa for nothing.

      If you have to resort to playing the sexist card when your posts are questioned, then you’re probably just trying to divert attention away from the topic at hand. It happens all the time, so you’re not the only one guilty of it.

      I would just like a straight answer or legitimate reason from someone about why adding Melky Mesa to the 40-man roster in light of his impending free agency is a bad thing for the Yankees.

  3. Andrew says:

    I thought Gaudin was one of the Legacy Players that Cashman was going to take care of? I look forward to his appearances for the Pirates in 2011, I wonder how big his goatee will be by Spring Training?

  4. Andy In Sunny Daytona says:

    My main man Melky Mesa.

  5. Wade Taylor says:

    Hey Mike, if you had to compare Mesa to a player in the majors right now, who would it be?

  6. Fair Weather Freddy says:

    Thought for sure Betances would be the first one they’d protect.

  7. mbonzo says:

    How many melkmans does one system need to produce?

  8. Tom Zig says:

    When does Mitre get the boot?

  9. Melky Mesa is a waste of a 40 man spot when they have so many people protect. Bleh.

    • CountryClub says:

      Had to protect him or he would have become a FA

      • At least that’s an excuse, but honestly, he would have been no big loss if he became a free agent.

        • CountryClub says:

          I’m guessing that if they need to drop him at some point to make room, they will.

          • Josh Z. says:

            This. It’s not like the Yankees are handing him an Opening Day starters’ job. He’s easily expendable if it comes to that. If they don’t need the roster spot, he sticks around on it for awhile. No big deal.

            Overreaction FTL

        • Kelvin De Leon is the new Melky Mesa anyway

        • CP says:

          At least that’s an excuse, but honestly, he would have been no big loss if he became a free agent.

          Probably not, but why allow that to happen when it’s easy to avoid? He certainly has more value to the Yankees than Gaudin or Ring, so I really don’t see a downside to this. Worst case, the Yankees can remove him from the 40-man right before the rule 5 in case there is someone else they want to add. Or, more likely, they’d include him in a trade.

          Either way, they get more out of him than they would if they just let him go as a minor league free agent.

    • Tom Zig says:

      To clarify, Melky Mesa would have been eligible for free agency had he not been added to the 40-man. That’s why that move came so quickly.

      Source: LoHud Twitter.

    • ZZ says:

      dr mrs yankee and Ben,

      Just responding here since you basically feel the same way. The Yankees obviously have the same info as you. They fully understand what putting Mesa on the roster means in regard to other players and what it means to lose them.

      They are making this decision with all that information and decided to protect him. That tells you how they feel about Mesa so I would trust their internal evaluations on these players, especially since this team has a great track record of making internal evaluations.

      I don’t think you are standing on much ground here to assert you know more than the Yankees about their prospects and the ramifications of this move.

      • I am free to not like moves they make. The Yankees always have the same or more info than I or anyone else here does and we like or don’t like things they do all the time.

        I am not going to defer to their authority all the time.

        • ZZ says:

          All you are doing is whining about it instead of providing concrete criticism.

          You are also not taking into account what the Yankees are saying by making this move.

          • She’s provided plenty of concrete criticism. He’s a 25-year-old who’s never played above Single A and doesn’t have many stand-out skills. She’s actually seen him play too. Have you?

            • ZZ says:

              Where?

              “Melky Mesa is a waste of a 40 man spot when they have so many people protect. Bleh.”

              “I am well aware, but they’re both players who will get tool drool until the end of time and that’s all I was saying.”

              “Big woop”

              “Age 23 season, they brought over at the normal time for IFAs they like but repeated GCL.”

              Mesa is also not 25. He turns 24 in January.

            • ZZ says:

              Oh, and to answer your last question, yes I have seen Mesa play.

            • Josh Z. says:

              I don’t get the whole “seen him play” argument. Is the typical fan qualified to evaluate a player based on seeing him play in person? I kind of doubt it.

              There’s very little harm in protecting him for now. You end up needing his spot later in a week or a month or a year, cut him loose. For now, he’s taking the place of Chad Gaudin whom you seem to be just fine with getting rid of.

              I’m not saying he’s a lock to stay on the roster, but it doesn’t hinder any of their offseason plans whatsoever.

            • AndrewYF says:

              Doesn’t have any stand-out skills? You mean except for defense, great arm in the outfield, good speed, and power?

              It’s always been that Mesa has everything except the most important thing – the ability to make consistent contact. But he’s certainly not some organizational schlub.

              At the least, he’s a better choice than Kontos, who wasn’t really all that great even before his slew of injuries.

      • So are you saying that every time the Yankees make a move — like keeping Chad Gaudin for months on end — we should just swallow it hooks, line and sinker? Do I have permission to tell you the same when you complain about moves next season? :)

        • ZZ says:

          Judging by your and ms yankee responses it looks like I really worded my response poorly.

          I didn’t mean to say you can’t criticize the Yankees, but I would defer to the Yankees without any real counter solution or proposal. I also think it is a tricky line with prospects in particular because I assume very few people on here have any sort first hand knowledge of Melky Mesa and the various other players this move impacts.

          Does that sound better? ;)

          • Well then you assumed wrong about me because I have first hand knowledge of Melky Mesa and the other prospects that this impacts.

            • ZZ says:

              Ok, then provide your first hand knowledge about why this is a poor decision. It is just whining without it.

              • Klemy says:

                But isn’t it just sharing her opinion without it? Where did everyone’s tolerance for opinion go on this topic? It seems like everyone is mighty sensitive today. Can’t we all just get along?

                • mbonzo says:

                  All the violent and apathetic fans have been set free.

                • Shaun says:

                  It’s election day. Tolerance of opinions doesn’t currently exist.

                • ZZ says:

                  Personally, I don’t really see the point of posting something with zero substance. It is an opinion, but a waste of time on a blog that exists for the purpose of discussion.

                  Even then I challenged her complaint and still have seen nothing to support the “opinion.”

                  • ZZ says:

                    Reading that back it came off much harsher than I intended, so I apologize, but you get the gist.

                    “Whining” without alternatives, evidence, etc. gets challenged on here all the time and I don’t see this as any different.

                    I would really like to see why she disagrees with this move. Genuinely interested.

                  • Josh Z. says:

                    Apparently women are free from criticism for reasons still unexplained.

                  • mbonzo says:

                    Some people can have opinions that aren’t backed up by material evidence, but by observable evidence. If Rebbecca has seen Mesa play, I think she’s made an opinion out of that. The kid hasn’t exactly had a magical career to this point. Although I agree with you, I don’t think our side to the debate is exactly “clearcut” right.

                    • ZZ says:

                      I would be interested in observable evidence as well.

                      Anything at all to back up the statement would be nice.

    • Josh Z. says:

      pat doesn’t think I should call out female fans when baseball matters seem to go over their head. so i’ll compliment your hair. Nice ponytail.

      • Yeah, you’re not a fucking ass or anything.

      • I don’t even understand what you think I don’t understand so, uh thanks but I don’t wear my hair in a ponytail.

      • mbonzo says:

        I trust the Yankees FO to do the right thing, they know a lot more about their players than anyone here. But having a nice ponytail doesn’t stop you from having an equal opinion.

        • Klemy says:

          Especially if that ponytail is worn as part of a school girl outfit, but I digress. /sexism

          • Josh Z. says:

            Has nothing to do with her being female. Has everything to do with the fact that she doesn’t seem to get the fact that adding Melky Mesa to the 40-man roster has little to no negative impact on the Yankees roster management.

            But if it makes everyone feel better to label it as sexist, be my guest. Apparently making up excuses is easier than actually defending a failing argument.

            • bexarama says:

              It didn’t have anything to do with (other) Rebecca being female, I agree. But then to do the line about the ponytail? C’mon. That’s lame and not helping, at all.

              • Josh Z. says:

                I agree that the comment wasn’t in the best interest of progressing mature discussion, but mislabeling something as sexism doesn’t help either.

                • mbonzo says:

                  “Mislabeling” isn’t exactly the right term. Misunderstanding perhaps. If you didn’t mean to sound sexist, you failed.
                  What did mean to say instead of,
                  “pat doesn’t think I should call out female fans when baseball matters seem to go over their head. so i’ll compliment your hair. Nice ponytail.”

                • You’re right. It was straight up misogyny. Accurately labeling it is much more helpful. Now either own it and take the beating or shut up.

                  • Josh Z. says:

                    Saying that I hate women is also inaccurate. I think I’m taking an adequate beating and am fine with that if someone was offended. I apologize for inadvertently insulting someone.

                    But I’m still waiting for her answer as to why adding Melky Mesa to the roster is such a waste.

                    • Well let’s translate the sum total of how you started this:

                      “She disagrees with me so clearly this means she doesn’t understand baseball cuz she’s a silly little girl and her pretty little girly brains don’t understand baseball and sports and stuff. But she’s just a stupid girl who can’t help herself cuz girls don’t understand sports so I’ll be nice and compliment her hair because girls like it when you compliment their hair.”

                      So yeah, you’re a sexist dick. You can say that’s not what you said, but then you’re a lying ass on top of being a sexist dick.

                      And I don’t even agree with Leo here. But I’m capable of respectfully disagreeing with her without making “haha you’re a dumb girl who doesn’t understand baseball cuz you’re a dumb girl” jokes.

                      But that’s because I’m not a sexist dick. Like you.

                    • Josh Z. says:

                      Let’s set up a timeline for you since you seem to have formed your own idea of what transpired, in some chivalrous attempt to defend someone’s honor.

                      A female poster said she was surprised by the fact that the Yankees added Melky Mesa to their 40-man roster.

                      I pointed out that there was no negative impact made on the Yankees roster management by doing so and made a (perhaps inadvisable) comment about the Yankees knowing more about their roster makeup than some girl on a blog. Had the original commenter been male, I would have used the same phrasing, substituting “guy” for “girl”.

                      A commenter named “pat” called me out for sexism since I had only replied to a female. At the time, the only post complaining about the move was this Rebecca poster. I then replied to everyone else that complained about the move – not seriously in the slightest and have been constantly raked over the coals for it.

                      All I want is for those against the Mesa move to explain their reasoning behind their stance. So far, no one has even really attempted to give a legitimate reason.

                      So go ahead and name-call all you want. You, like many other over-sensitive commenters took too seriously what I said and have spent an exorbitant amount of time berating me for it. So much time in fact, that no one has given even a remotely close answer to why adding Melky Mesa to the 40-man roster was a waste given the circumstances.

                      Maybe all this sexist bitching is happening to waltz around the fact that the original commenter couldn’t give an answer that was based in sound reason or theory.

            • mbonzo says:

              It was just sexist when you said that you wouldn’t try to respond because people were telling you not to since she’s a woman, and that you’ll just compliment her on her ponytail instead. While I agree that ponytails are very nice hair style, you shoulda probably just stated your opinion like you did here instead of insisting there was some sort of reverse sexism that didn’t let you state your own opinion.

      • Sam says:

        Get back in the kitchen and make me a blog post?

  10. pat says:

    I’ll take the upside of Mesa over the “polish” of Pendleton, Whelan, Pope or Kontos. Especially considering the dearth of position prospects we have.

    • Josh Z. says:

      That’s a terrible opinion. Oh wait a minute, not it’s not. I’d take my chances in seeing if one of those “polish” players would stick in a major league bullpen for a whole season. If they do, props to them, but at best they probably end up as a passable bullpen arm, which the Yankees still have plenty of.

  11. Camilo Gerardo says:

    maybe someone takes kei igawa

  12. zs190 says:

    Eh, doesn’t hurt to put Mesa on the 40 man right now to keep him from becoming FA. If they feel like there are more deserving players for the 40 man later, they can remove him later and let him become FA then. I just don’t see any downside to doing this.

    As for Gaudin/Ring, no surprises there. There are still a lot of 40 man spots that can be easily freed up if we need them (Steve Garrison, Reegie Corona, Dustin Moseley, etc), I really doubt we’ll lose anyone valuable to Rule V this year so I don’t know why there is even any outrage about putting Melky on for now.

    • Josh Z. says:

      I agree completely. I don’t understand why there’s such a big uproar about it. I’ve tugged some hairs for sure, but there is less than a 1% chance that this will negatively affect the Yankees’ roster management in the coming months and/or years.

  13. Who’s next to go? Mitre? Golson? Please let Mitre be gone ASAP. Please.

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona says:

      Golson is actually the best comparison for Melky Mesa.

      • Mike HC says:

        ha. I just made the same comparison below for reading this.

      • Hmm, I can see it, though Melky’s got a slightly better uBB% and much more power (.060 advantage in IsoP) so maybe there’s some more upside in Melky Part Two.

      • mbonzo says:

        Golson doesn’t have Mesa’s power.

        • Mike HC says:

          Golson slugged .472 and .450 in his two seasons in A+ ball as a 20 and 21 year old.

          Mesa as a 23 year old slugged .475 in A+ ball. Not exactly a scientific study, but it seems like Golston arguably had more power at a younger age at the same level.

          • mbonzo says:

            He’s put up a .431 slugging in his career to Golson’s .398. Minor league numbers are hard to compare because the competition is always changing but Mesa has hit 52 homeruns in 1363 ABs, while Golsons has hit 58 in 2973 ABs in the minors.

            • Mike HC says:

              Just looking at the numbers and ages and levels, it does not seem that Mesa has really any more noticeable power than Golson. Mesa is coming off his best season, so its possible he will keep up this level of play even on higher levels. Time will tell, but I highly doubt Mesa will have any more power than Golson as a Major Leaguer. It is just doubtful that either will be an impact hitter at the Major League level.

    • Josh Z. says:

      I would think that the Yankees could easily replace Mitre’s production and at a lower cost. Given, Mitre’s salary isn’t overwhelmingly cumbersome, but it is a place that the Yankees could shave a couple hundred thousand bucks off the payroll to maybe take a shot on a reliever or bench player.

    • Like you commented earlier on twitter, the Yankees don’t appear to have many internal OF options, so I bet they keep Golson around. Then again, Joe does seem to have a special place in his heart for Mitre.

      • Yeah, but I think I’d still give Curtis or Laird a shot over Golson, though Golson’s fielding is at least a little valuable. If he could add just…something, anything at the plate, he’d be more worth keeping around as a bench OF. If only we could combine Thames and his lefty mashing and Golson’s defense to make a Super4thOF.

        • I think Curtis is the better all around player, but I think Girardi values strong defense/no bat over decent defense and a not-awful bat. Which kinda makes since since your 4th OF is usually not much more than a defensive replacement.

          • Yeah, that sounds about right. I don’t see any of them–Curtis, Golson, Laird–having big/long term futures with the Yankees. Of them, I guess Laird has the best shot because of his bat.

            • bronxbrain says:

              I’m guessing that the team sees Golson as utterly expendable. But his amazing throw to nail Carl Crawford may have been my highlight of the year. And the guy burns. If only K Long could somehow, someway, enable this guy to make a bit of contact. On a playoff team, he’s a valuable fifth outfielder. But I doubt it’ll happen.

            • Assuming he’s not a disaster in the OF, which remains to be seen. Keith Law Tweeted to me at the beginning of the AzFL season that the experiment was not looking pretty at that point, but that was after just a few games.

            • bronxbrain says:

              I know that Laird has mostly played third. Anyone know the strength/accuracy of his arm? Any chance he’s in the mix to play occasional RF in 2010?

              • He’s currently playing in the OF in the AFL. He hasn’t really been doing much, but it’s probably an experiment to see if he can handle it. Consensus seems to be he’ll be a trade chip one way or the other.

  14. Mike HC says:

    Good bye Gaudin. That comes as no surprise. Although I’m sure we will somehow reacquire him next year too, ha.

    As for Mesa, maybe he can be the next Golston.

  15. JerseyDutch says:

    I’m actually sad to see C-Gaud go. Really.

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