Dec
05

Reports: Gonzalez, Sox fail to reach extension deal

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Update (2:59 p.m.): Jon Heyman, Ken Rosenthal and Joel Sherman are reporting that talks between the Red Sox and Adrian Gonzalez on a possible contract extension have fallen through. The Red Sox and Padres agreed yesterday to a deal involving Gonzalez and three top Boston prospects that was contingent upon the Sox’s coming to terms with the slugging first baseman on a long-term extension. Now that the contract talks are dead, the future of the deal remains cloudy.

Despite this development, talks between the Red Sox and Padres are not over. Rosenthal says that the Padres and Red Sox can pull the trigger on the trade, but the Sox are hesitant to give up so much for only one year of control. If the Red Sox do acquire Gonzalez, they could still take advantage of their exclusive right to negotiate during the course of the season. The Padres, says Heyman, won’t field more offers if this trade fell through. This tale isn’t over yet.

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  1. Bryan L says:

    No Gonzalez for you! Come back, one year!

    /SoupNazi’d

  2. Dax says:

    Honestly, I feel a little bad for the Red Sox. Gonzo would of been a big help.

  3. FIPster Doofus says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIrhVo1WA78

    Absolutely hilarious. I hope A-Gon goes to the Cubs now and signs long term there.

    • ultimate913 says:

      If that happened, I can see the Red Sox going after Fielder.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        If that’s true then it’s better for the Yanks. AGon and Fielder are similar in offensive production but now at first base instead of Youk or AGon who are plus defenders you replace him with Fielder who does the same thing offensively but a liability wit the glove according to both UZR and TZ over a 3 year sample. He won’t age as well IMO.

        Now at thrid you lose Beltre’s gold glove defense and repalces it with Youk’s average to below average glove.

        Beltre and Youk >>> Youk and Prince. Plus Beltre will only cost money and Prince will cost prospects and money. Let them go get him.

  4. Zanath says:

    So does this mean they try and re-sign Beltre now? Would be pretty hilarious if they didn’t get Beltre or Gonzalez.

  5. JobaWockeeZ says:

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Is this part of Thei’s MASTERSTROKE?!?!?!

    But this should also be a sad day as we go to the transition of Kelly being a 10 star prospect to a 2 star prospect being back to a 10 star prospect in the span of 2 days.

  6. Kevin in Delectable Princeton says:

    Wow. Has something like this every happened before?

  7. Teh Comp Pick says:

    I’m going to be pissed if the Sox still end up with him. keep in mind I am of the camp that says the Sox were getting a steal. When the best thing being said in return for the package was that it was fair by some outlets, that should tell you something. Nobody was saying the Padres were winners here.

    /Hope Henry botched this one Tex style…awaiting his tweet.

  8. bonestock94 says:

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  9. Nick says:

    Can you do an article this week on how the Sox can never pull the trigger on a deal. This has happened several times before, Arod, Tex…

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Simple really. They don’t want to pay the really big dollars because they are in such unfair conditions being in a small media market.

      They need to save up the pennies for a soccer team or something.

  10. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

    I just pooped.

  11. Reggie C. says:

    Perhaps Prince Fielder is the next target?

    This is surprising. Theo must’ve known that signing Gonzalez would’ve come at a cost of a Ryan Howard-like deal. Why would Gonzalez take anything less?

    • Zanath says:

      I have to say…the Red Sox can be really cheap sometimes. It’s not like they are a small market team.

      • bonestock94 says:

        They have moments of brilliance with some of those extensions, but then dole out for Lackey.

      • Reggie C. says:

        Your assessment is right. Theo spends mo-bucks on draft pick selection and isn’t afraid to offer arbitration to exiting players, yet, can’t seem to pull the trigger on expensive, but no-brainer FA acquisition like this.

        David Ortiz is another year older. I’m not sure where Theo sees he’s getting his next 35-40 hr hitter.

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          It’s probably more Henry’s fault than Theo. I don’t think they even have a player making 20+ million on that team and I dont think he wants to start now.

          Their loss.

      • Kiersten says:

        And their fans recognize it and hate it too. As much as they bitch about the Yankees payroll, they wish their ownership would dole out the money for the A-Rods and Teixeiras.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Let them get Fielder. I like him btu I don’t see him aging well. Plus he’s not the defender AGon is.

    • ultimate913 says:

      Yea. I said the same thing above. Fielder is a Boras client, though. He’d cost a boat-load of dough.

      • Reggie C. says:

        Gonzalez’s agent must’ve copied, pasted, and emailed the Fenway-Gonzalez HR graphic put up earlier today on RAB. That kind of projected production warrants Ryan Howard money.

        Fielder isn’t really an upgrade over Gonzalez, though IIRC Fielder is a couple years younger. I threw Fielder’s name out there as an alternative.

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          Fielder makes no sense IMO for them. They’re better off getting Beltre. If they get Fielder you get below average defenser at both corner spots. You get Beltre you get similar offensive production but plus defense at the corners.

          PLEASE get Fielder.

  12. MikeD says:

    Shades of A-Rod. If we didn’t have our own stud first baseman, this is where we’d step in.

    The Red Sox play hardball on money, I think foolishly, as they did with A-Rod and Teixeira, so they probably were hoping to get A-Gon for below the Teix and Howard rates. Gonzalez has said he won’t take less than market rate, so I’ll give him credit for holding firm. Wouldn’t be surprised if they try another go at it.

  13. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    I would have used that exact same phrase seven years ago when the A-Rod to Boston deal fell through.

  14. Big Stein says:

    Casey Kelly just went from a “potential number 2 starter” back to being a “future Hall of Famer”.

  15. Big Stein says:

    somehow Gammons will blame the AGon failure on Mark Teixeria’s wife.

  16. Reggie C. says:

    Theo must’ve been BAFFLED by A-Gonz’s demand for Ryan Howard money. Stick to your guns Gonzalez!

  17. Zack says:

    So does Casey Kelly has his ace potential back now?

  18. Teh Comp Pick says:

    Is Kelly, Rizzo, and Fuentes much better than a year staying in contention bc of the year of A-Gon you get, and two draft picks afer he leaves?

    • Gonzo says:

      I guess it depends on what budget Jed is working with right now. I would rather be in contention for the year, but Kelly, Rizzo, and Fuentes are far and away better than two draft picks.

  19. JerseyDutch says:

    So this is what schadenfreude feels like.

  20. Not Tank the Frank says:

    Representatives from A-Gon’s camp have called the Red Sox stance “baffling.”

  21. T.J. says:

    Didn’t Gonzalez just want Howard-like money?

    $125MM is a bargain for someone like A-Gon imo.

  22. Reggie C. says:

    If extension talks are “dead” but a trade still remains possible, Hoyer should still not consider a revised trade proposal in which Kelly & Rizzo are not pieces involved. Maybe Theo is trying to get Gonzalez without including two of the farm’s top 5 prospects … lets hope Hoyer doesn’t fall for it.

    • Not Tank the Frank says:

      I doubt a trade proposal of lesser value comes of this. If anything, I could see Hoyer asking for someone MLB ready.

    • JohnnyC says:

      The disturbing thing is that Hoyer has said he wouldn’t entertain other trade possibilities if this falls through…leaving the door wide open for Boston to re-work the deal to their benefit all the way into Spring Training.

  23. Mr Moss says:

    Padre fans must be over the moon, They where getting ripped off big time in that deal

  24. “Pay Adrian Gonzalez 100+ million? I could buy a quarter of some soccer team with that change!”

    -John Henry, overheard during brunch

  25. T.J. says:

    The possibility of Gonzalez going to Boston isn’t dead yet, a source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter).

    This deal is getting done IMO

    • JGS says:

      I think it will too, but without an extension, it will cost the Sox Teixeira money to keep him past this year. As long as Hoyer doesn’t accept a lesser package for extension-less Adrian, I’m totally ok with Boston having to pay in prospects and free-agent dollars for him.

      • ZZ says:

        It may cost him even more than Teix money. If he goes to Fenway and rakes like expected, he could reasonably ask for more money and maybe even more years than Tex.

        The Nationals, Orioles, Cubs, Rangers, and Mariners come to mind as teams that could get involved for if he hits the open market.

    • deadrody says:

      They were saying that for DAYS about the A-Rod deal, too.

      If they aren’t willing to give Gonzalez the money that they HAD to know he expected (unless they really are as dumb as they seem), then what is going to change ?

    • Big Stein says:

      they could still find WMDs in Iraq, a source tells Fox News.

  26. Big Stein says:

    They’re committing mass suicide on the boston blogs.

  27. ZZ says:

    I may have missed it, but it is amazing to me that not a single sports journalist wrote an article expressing the possibility or likelihood of this happening.

    Based on the Red Sox prior negotiations this is an entirely predictable situation. Any time an extension has come up in San Diego Gonzalez has responded that he wants his market value. It was a strong possibility that the Red Sox were going to come to the table and draw a line as they always do. Or try to work out clauses in the contract to benefit them based on Gonzalez still being a year away from FA and his shoulder.

    Unfortunately for them, Gonzalez has said for 2 years now he is not interested in signing at a discounted rate. The trade could still happen but it is really surprising how I didn’t see anyone predict such a predictable outcome based on the parties involved.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      I guess it’s beceause we all assumed that the Sox will pay him his money. This guy is basically Teix and they were willing to give Teix a big payday too. Guess not.

      • T.J. says:

        Yeah that’s what I assumed.

        Gonzalez is one of those guys that I have no problem giving big money too. He’s a plus defender with a great bad and only 28.

      • Chris says:

        Why would anyone assume that the Red Sox would pony up big money for him? Sure, they were willing to pay Tex a lot, but not as much as (at least) two other teams. Other than Tex, I can’t remember a big deal that they’ve given out. The (roughly) $16M they’re paying Lackey and Beckett is basically the going rate for a #2-#3 starter. Youk and Pedroia’s deals are both team friendly deals.

        The preponderance of the evidence is that the Red Sox won’t give out big deals – or at least not the biggest.

    • Not Tank the Frank says:

      The media’s love-fest with the Red Sox has been well documented on the threads today. Just go to ESPN and read about this “Masterstroke.”

  28. Hughesus Christo says:

    When is someone going to question Hoyer’s stance on dealing only with Boston (and what he was willing to accept)?

    • Teh Comp Pick says:

      It really needs to be done. Morosi tweeted that an MLB exec had said Rizzo was the best player in the package, and not a single media outlet that I found, or have been told about by someone else, declared the Pad’s winners here. They’d get two draft picks just by letting Gonzo walk after he plays his deal out, and possibly contend with him this year.

      Hoyer needs to be called out.

      • JohnnyC says:

        Agreed, but Hoyer got the job in San Diego due to his role in drafting these prospects. Pittsburgh and Washington passed on him before he got the San Diego job, probably because they weren’t as enamored of the Boston system. The Padres hired him essentially to trade expensive players like AGon to the Red Sox for some of those Red Sox crown jewels. He’s really doing what they hoped he would do.

    • Zack says:

      1. Is there proof other teams weren’t in the running? We can argue Kelly’s talent, but how many other teams are willing to give up a prospect of that level and give him 160m+?
      2. He knows their prospects better than he knows other organizations’ prospects
      3. Saying they won’t trade him if the trade falls through can also be negotiating tactic – telling Boston that this is the best offer we got so don’t try to play games and try to get him for a cheaper price in a few months.

    • bexarama says:

      This is the sketchiest thing about the whole deal, that tweet that was like “if the Padres don’t trade him to Boston they’ll likely keep him.” Really? You’re telling me that no other team was interested and had any sort of comparable package? I mean, just off the top of my head, Texas comes to mind – they need a first baseman and they have a really good farm system that they’ve shown they’re willing to give up valuable pieces of, even to a division rival, even for rentals.

      (sideways look)

      • Teh Comp Pick says:

        This.

      • Steve H says:

        Yeah, so the Padres put Gonzalez on the market and only one team is willing to put an offer on the table they’d listen to? I can understand Hoyer wanting it to be the Sox because he knows their farm system, but if he can’t find a partner for Gonzalez willing to give up better than two picks when he leaves, he’s got blinders on.

      • Gonzo says:

        What would be a comparable package Texas would want to give up? I don’t think you can say that because they gave up X for Lee, you can say they would give up Y for AG. Especially since the Rangers can crap the bed in the first three months and then end up with just two draft picks for the trade (assuming they don’t want to hand out $150mm+). At least with the Lee trade, they knew they were in the thick of things and were willing to make that push for the playoffs.

        I think people are over estimating what AG can net in a trade. Consider that Tex was traded for Kotchman and Marek the deadline before his FA. Let me repeat that, Tex was traded for Stephen Marek and Casey Kotchman in the deadline before his FA. If Jed waits until July and only gets Kotcham/Marek offers, he will get murdered in the press.

        • Steve H says:

          Kotchman was 25, cheap, coming off a very strong season at 24 and a plus defender. he had a lot of value when he was traded. What has happened since with his career was unexpected.

          • Steve H says:

            And the Angels didn’t have a negotiating window.

            • Gonzo says:

              They got him for the playoff push. What team that aquires AG now is in good shape for the playoffs? And they need a 1b? Not many. Why would Texas trade for a 1 year rental when the playoffs are far from a certaintly. You know Texas doesn’t want to extend him to Howard money.

          • Gonzo says:

            I personally was shocked that was all they got. Kotchman was a serious prospect in the minors because everyone thought he would get some pop in his bat. He showed nothing in his first season to make anyone think the power would come.

            Kotchman was the main piece of the trade. Wouldn’t you rather have Kelly, Rizzo, and Fuentes than say a Smoak type bat that hasn’t proven it in the majors yet?

  29. bexarama says:

    jonmorosi:
    Source: Gonzalez “turned down a lot of money because he wanted more, and the window closed.”

    Oh the “he’s so greedy” smear campaign has already started I see.

  30. bottom line says:

    Sox Sleaze Meter heating up again.
    I would not put it past Larry the Lizard Lucchino to say they can’t come to terms so that San Diego accepts less in the deal. Then BOston, with a whole year to negotiate, signs him anyway. Meanwhile, Selig is again on his knees, droolibng at John Henry’s open zipper. For anyone else, a deadline is firm. But not for his good pal in Boston.

  31. Beantown Bombers Fan says:

    The wailing and gnashing of teeth here in the Hub is making it hard to hear my television. Can’t wait to see how this is spun by Theo the Wonderboy. At least they still have Liverpool…

  32. Howie says:

    Anybody read the comments here: http://www.weei.com/sports/bos.....zalez-deal? It’s schadenfreude at its best.

  33. China Joe says:

    I wondered what Boston offered A-Gon for the extension:
    Theo: “We are prepared to offer you 5 years, 50 million…plus this really hip Liverpool scarf.”
    Gonzalez: -hangs up-

  34. Poopy Pants says:

    They’ll probably just get Beltre. Better team defense overall.
    If they get Werth or Crawford and their injured players back, they’ll be dangerous.

  35. ZZ says:

    If I had to bet, Gonzalez asked for more than Teixiera got and would be willing to settle on basically that contract, but wanted more. He had no reason to settle. He has been eyes free agency for a couple years now with no realistic expectation of getting extended before than.

    If we get some leaks on these negotiations I’m betting he wouldn’t come down lower than Teix’s deal.

    • CS Yankee says:

      Agreed, he deserves the same contract value as Teix.

      Boston seems to have this habit of trying to force their choices to below (or mid) market contracts.

      They forced Dice-BB to less than what was expected when they had some leverage but still would have needed to fork out 50+M$. Theo/Henry drew lines-in-the-sand with Damon, ‘Tek, etc. with mixed results but have been wise to pressure Youk & Dustin to very team friendly deals.

      I guess this time they ran into another Teix-type player/agent; a stud that if/when he leaves his home town team will get full market value. AG deserves the massive 8/180 deal when compared to his peers. The Sox camp have already spun this as “we tried really hard, but greed kept him from buying our team concept”.

      I really like how Cashman & Co has figured out to keep everything quiet until the pens are brought out. SD is better for this.

  36. Jd says:

    This is great news. Word is that Gonzalez wanted 160 million plus Theo’s sister or, alternatively, just 180 million.

  37. bexarama says:

    Heh, Werth to the Nationals (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). Should’ve been a huge day for the Red Sox…

  38. FIPster Doofus says:

    Jayson Werth to Washington. Everything is going to pieces today for the Red Sox.

    (Sorry if this is OT. I think it pertains to the thread, though, considering many thought Werth would go to Boston.)

    • Zack says:

      Heyman tweets 7 years!!!

      • FIPster Doofus says:

        Yikes. However, I’m happy for the Nats. They’ve been trying for a while to lure a big-name FA, and they’ve finally succeeded. Werth should at least rake for a few years. Too bad Strasburg’s out next season.

      • CS Yankee says:

        That’s crazy…7 years for Werth & Theo couldn’t come up with 8 for a younger, more proven player that he has been dreaming about since they lost out on Teix? BoSox fail again.

        Wow!, The Nats are crazy.

    • Evilest Empire says:

      7 / 126M Heyman says.

      What the heck is Crawford going to get???

      Now Boston has to get into a bidding way with the Angels and who knows who else for whatever offense is left … basically Crawford and Beltre.

      • Zack says:

        If I’m Crawford I fire my agent and hire Boras right now.

        • Evilest Empire says:

          Seriously. Boras got Werth more or less the same contract that his last big FA outfielder, Matt Holiday, got.

          Except Matt Holiday was younger and has the better track record.

          The Nationals though … ugh. Bad move.

      • Reggie C. says:

        Wow. I can imagine Crawford’s the happiest major leaguer at this minute. If Werth’s going to average $18 million AAS, Crawford will demand at least that and maybe even goad a team to pony up $20 mm per over similar years …

        Who woulda thought that Crawford could make $140 million…

        • Evilest Empire says:

          I agree, its just hard to imagine. Crawford might have to “settle” to be in simply the same strata as Werth/Holliday.

  39. nathan says:

    What is crazy is that all those Boston Assistant GMs running San Diego will not consider any other trade offers for Gonzalez.

    That sounds lunatic to me or they are punishing AGon for not going to Boston and will try to give another Sox this offseason and in July.

    And why be stupid and just grant 1 day window? Atleast a 3 day window would have helped.

    • nathan says:

      * give another chance to Sox

      I hope they end up with Fielder.

    • deadrody says:

      Because the Red Sox asst. GMs running the Padres wanted to give the Sox a little extra leverage:

      “Come on Adrian, we only got one day, this is the best deal we can come up with”

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Well that’s a stupid way of doing business. If they were just going to trade him to Boston and no one else, then they’re fucking retarded. That’s borderline collusion. I could understand if no one else had the farm system to do it, but plenty of teams could accomodate their needs.

  40. Jimmy McNulty says:

    My Twitter queen tells me that Adrian’s on a plane back home.

  41. Chris says:

    Now MLBTR is reporting they did get him…what the heck is going on over there???

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....lez-1.html

  42. nathan says:

    They got him. 8 yrs 167M per Heyman

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....?eref=sihp

    • MikeD says:

      Seven-year extenstion at $23-million per, at least that’s what I heard. I guess the Red Sox realized they don’t get to name the price, the market does. I wonder if losing Werth forced them back to the table.

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