Dec
26

Surprise Surprise: Yankees have no interest in signing Manny

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Via Buster Olney, the Yankees have no interest in signing Manny Ramirez. The other day we heard that the team held internal discussions about him simply because he fit a need (right-handed hitting outfielder), but obviously it doesn’t make sense. Jorge Posada is the full-time designated hitter and they already have three very capable outfielders on the roster. Good to see this one shot down in relatively short order.

I’m guessing the internal talks went something like this: “Okay, righty outfielders, first candidate is Manny Ramirez.” “Nope, next.”

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League

51 Comments»

  1. Mike Myers says:

    Oh well, manny vs. the NY media was fun to think of.

    Reporter “Manny, why didnt you run out that grounder to first?”
    Manny “Sorry, my English isnt working. Uh, I mean…como?”

  2. brockdc says:

    “Okay, next order of business: who thinks we should go after a slightly more effective, equally defensively challenged, exponentially more expensive version of Marcus Thames? One, two, three -”

    “Nah-me!”

    “Nah-me!”

    “Hank? Hank?”

    • I know what you’re getting at here, but don’t downplay Manny’s offense. Thames’s career high wOBA is .370 (.365 last year). Manny has never been below that in his career in a full season.

  3. bonestock94 says:

    phew

  4. Accent Shallow says:

    Thank god. I can’t wait until this clown is out of the league.

  5. jim p says:

    Have the Yankees no seniors in their organization they need assaulted?

  6. Jerome S. says:

    What’s with all the Manny hate? He was a great player, just a jackass.

    • Steve H says:

      I love Manny and wish there was a natural fit. Unfortunately there’s no room for him.

      • If Posada was retiring, this would definitely be a perfect chance for Manny.

        • nyyankeefanforever says:

          @JeromeS He was a great hitter, not a great player … and after de-roiding he wasn’t even that. Agree wholeheartedly on that jackass thing, though.

          • bexarama says:

            This is what people are talking about. There’s this constant downplaying of how good Manny is/was. Manny’s one of the best right-handed hitters the game has ever seen. Period. He was God awful in the field and a doof but it didn’t even matter.

            • jim p says:

              He’s a shit, who beat up an old man. And since he’s off the drugs he ain’t that great a hitter.

              I saw him with my own eyes at Yankee Stadium keep his bat on his shoulder the whole time for 3 straight strikes because he didn’t give a shit what happened to his team. And we all saw him quit on Boston completely before they dumped him. A teammate who’ll screw you matters.

              • bexarama says:

                Manny in July 2008, the month he quit on his team completely:
                .347/.473/.587/1.060

                But sure, your narrative > facts.

                • jim p says:

                  Back when he was on steroids, you mean? You’d have to talk with his teammates about whether he quit his team before the month he was trying to improve his trade value.

                  But we won’t miss the fabricated injuries, lame excuses, and occasional no-shows. We won’t miss watching Manny Ramírez dogging it down the first base line. His teammates and manager won’t miss going to the ballpark wondering if Manny feels like playing tonight…

                  …Nine days ago, prior to the final game of a West Coast trip, Manny told Francona he was unable to play because of a previously unreported knee injury. The tipping point came one week ago tonight when Manny pulled the same stunt before the first game of a three-game set with the Yankees…

                  …At the end, Manny didn’t care about winning. He didn’t care about anything except Manny …

                  http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....oing_gone/

                  I suspect you know more about the team’s sentiments that Curt Schilling would

                  …Curt Schilling this morning said he thought the Manny Ramirez situation has affected the team and keeping him in Boston for the stretch run could present a problem.

                  “At the end of the day you’re taking the field with a guy who doesn’t want to play with you, doesn’t want to be there, doesn’t want to … obviously effort-wise is just not there …”

                  …Could this situation have caused the Red Sox, losers of 4 of their last 5 on this homestand, to lose its focus? “Absolutely, absolutely,” Schilling said.

                  http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....sheds.html

                  Sorry, steroid stats don’t make your love for Manny > than what his teammates actually felt and said when the got rid of him.

                  And PS, the shit assaulted an old man.

                  • obviously effort-wise is just not there …”

                    But the effort not being there isn’t “obvious.” It may be there, but it’s not “obvious” when a guy puts up a line like he did that month.

                    • jim p says:

                      Look at the lines he put up in May and June, when he was doing his “trade me” act. Then consider July when it was clear he would likely be traded and wanted customers for the deal. His July actually goes to support the point he was laying down on his team.

                    • See my response below. The assertion your making can easily be flipped on its head.

                  • Mike Axisa says:

                    Curt Schilling wasn’t on the 2008 Red Sox. His opinion on the matter is completely irrelevant because he was not part of the team.

                    • bexarama says:

                      Also, Curt Schilling’s a dumbass who bashed Manny on ESPN during the Red Sox/Dodgers interleague series, like Manny wasn’t a tremendous part of the 2004 and 2007 titles.

                    • jim p says:

                      Okay, so Curt lost the phone number of everyone on the team while he was rehabbing hoping to rejoin the team, and they never spoke with him about the team because … for some reason. They never spoke.

                      How do you banish Papelbon? http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3972796

                      It just takes one guy to bring an entire team down, and that’s exactly what was happening,” Papelbon said, according to the magazine. “Once we saw that, we weren’t afraid to get rid of him. It’s like cancer. That’s what he was. Cancer. He had to go…. Papelbon also said he had not heard from teammates or anyone else asking him to soften his statements about Ramirez.

                  • bexarama says:

                    You know how good the Boston FO is at smearing players when they leave, right? There’s no doubt Manny’s a headache, but to say he wasn’t trying when he put up those numbers… well, I’d like to be that good at anything without even trying.

                    Sure, Manny’s a jerk and I don’t think the 2011 Yankees have any room for him. I also think he’s an incredible player and you can’t just write it off as “whatever, ‘roids” when your arguments get proven as false. And like Mike said, Schilling wasn’t even really on the 2008 Red Sox, and when you’re using Curt Schilling as your serious source you’ve already lost.

                    • jim p says:

                      It was his teammates though, and the fans. Not just the front office. They were all mistaken?

                      And I found Schilling in a quick search. There were other quotes by his teammates at the time which I’m not going to look for, but the articles cited make it clear that it wasn’t just Schilling’s opinion.

                      Manny will fuck over your team if he feels like it. Doesn’t the Yankee front office, as we’ve seen repeatedly heard, consider character? Is that a good thing to do? Of course! And Manny can screw you at any moment. This has been demonstrated.

                    • Yes, considering character is always a good thing, but it helps a lot that the good “character” guys the Yankees have–like Sabathia, Granderson, and Swisher–are all very good players. If the Yankees didn’t have Posada entrenched at DH, Manny would be a great 1 year DH candidate. His talent >>>> his character issues.

              • Manny’s wOBAs of the last two years: .396 and .382. TOTALLY not that great a hitter anymore.

                /eyeroll’d

              • JGS says:

                Manny in July 2008: .347/.473/.587/1.060
                Dustin Pedroia (who won the MVP that year) in July 2008: .350/.398/.485/.884

                Before you pull out the “he got hits when they didn’t matter” crap, his WPA for that month was 1.065. That’s better than Pedroia (.346), Youkilis (.059), and Drew (-.519).

                May we all quit on our teams like that.

                • JAG says:

                  I doubt the whole “he got hits when they didn’t matter” thing would really even work here even if there wasn’t that whole Facts thing that you pointed out. The sample size is such that I can’t even imagine how the man could OPS 1.060 and not have his hits matter.

                  You know, Manny’s probably the perfect player to have in like a video game where personality and stuff don’t matter at all. Jeez can he hit.

                  • JGS says:

                    Usually when I think of assholes who were really good hitters, Ty Cobb and Barry Bonds come to mind. Manny is definitely up there though.

                    Cobb stabbed a guy. (obligatory)

                • jim p says:

                  But you know July was the month when he had made his trade demand clear and was looking to boost his value on the trade market, right? Why leave May and June out of the picture, when he was doing his pouting routine. C’mon, you think his teammates felt he was crapping on them out of the blue? He hit .254 with 8 doubles and 10 HRs for those two months.

                  Actually, his great July supports the argument he had spent the previous sixty games playing to lose.

                  See the quotes in this thread about what his teammates said. I mean, people did see him throw the at-bat to Mariano, for example. I don’t see how that fits in with the Yankee spirit.

                  • But you know July was the month when he had made his trade demand clear and was looking to boost his value on the trade market, right?

                    And, regardless of motives, that’s still a) showing effort and b) helping the team. When a player does that well, it usually means the team is doing well, too.

                    C’mon, you think his teammates felt he was crapping on them out of the blue? He hit .254 with 8 doubles and 10 HRs for those two months.

                    Still had an .812 OPS with an IsoD of .104 and an IsoP of exactly .200. That’s productive. And no one mentions those months here because you–and many others–constantly assert that he quit on the Sox in July ’08, yet the numbers say otherwise.

                    Actually, his great July supports the argument he had spent the previous sixty games playing to lose.

                    Or it proves that he had a not-as-good-as-we’re used to from Manny two month stretch. It also proves that baseball is a long season, full of ups and downs.

                    • jim p says:

                      Actually, his teammates had said otherwise. Why would they make up stuff like that if they felt he was, on balance, an asset to the team?

                    • So his teammates saying things (which may be true) disproves the fact that it’s possible to have ups-and-downs during the season? My point is that in the numbers–which reflect his actual contribution to the team–do not show that he quit on his team at any point during the 2008 season.

                    • Also, the fact that his down OPS was .812 shows just how good he is at hitting a baseball.

                    • jim p says:

                      No, I asserted he quit on the team, not in any particular month, but once he realized he wasn’t going to get the deal he wanted. Quitting is what he did, according to his teammates. I don’t see the basis for anyone outside of the clubhouse assert differently. They watched him game after game.

                    • With the 2008 Red Sox, Manny Ramirez hit to the tune of a .926 OPS. That shows me there was at least some effort there. You don’t just roll out of bed and OPS .926. If a .926 OPS from April to July is quitting, I’d like to see trying. What his teammates say obviously carries weight. And I’m not debating whether or not those statements are true or played up, etc. I’m arguing that in the tangible part of the game–performance, numbers, etc.–we cannot see much evidence of quitting.

                    • Steve H says:

                      I’ll find you a million quotes from teammates saying that Manny is a great teammate.

                    • Steve H says:

                      “You know what, this guy’s one of the best hitters in the game and I found him to be a great teammate when I was there.”

                      “I thought he was a great teammate,” Blake said. “I have always said that about him. I feel like he genuinely cares. From my own experience with him, he really cared about how I was feeling, both on and off the field. He always had something positive to say to you. He has been around a while, and he didn’t have to be like that toward me. But I think it was just because he was a genuinely good guy and he cared.”

                      “He was a great teammate,” Roberts said. “Just look at the back of his baseball card. I think that he’s a guy who’ll come to play. He’s real jovial. I think it was unfortunate the way things ended for him in Boston because he had a pretty good run over there.”

                      Over the years I have never heard anything negative about him from his teammates,” Torre said. “That’s usually a particularly good sign.” (Joe Torre)

                      “He is an awesome guy and an awesome teammate,” said Dodgers infielder Nomar Garciaparra, who played with Ramirez in Boston from 2001-2004. “But he prefers to just go out there and play. He is a quiet guy, a shy guy. He doesn’t talk much, and he doesn’t like attention. He just wants to show up at the ballpark, play the game and go home to his family. There are a lot of guys like that.”

        • nyyankeefanforever says:

          @Matt A perfect chance for what … make him get a haircut?

    • Kiersten says:

      Cause looking at him makes me nauseous.

  7. theyankeewarrior says:

    Report: The Yankees have no interest in signing anyone

  8. kurt says:

    would manny even get a haircut if someone paid him?

  9. tbord says:

    Cancer in the department.

    • Steve H says:

      Yeah, the Sox had such a great history of winning titles before Manny got there and he screwed that up. Then the Dodgers, who had won so many posteason series in the 20 years before Manny were obviously influenced by his cancer as well.

      Facts>>>>Narrative

  10. Slappy White says:

    THANK MO ALMIGHTY

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