Is it possible that Mitre really is the best option?

Mailbag: Scott Kazmir
The RAB Radio Show: January 24, 2010
They should let him grow facial hair. Maybe that'll work. (AP Photo/Lynne Sladky)

Wanna play a game? Let’s play a game…

Pitcher A: 4.61 K/9, 3.12 uIBB/9, 1.31 HR/9, 37.3% GB, 5.44 xFIP

Pitcher B: 4.83 K/9, 2.67 uIBB/9, 1.17 HR/9, 50.9% GB, 4.34 xFIP

Pitcher C: 5.89 K/9, 3.11 uIBB/9, 1.32 HR/9, 44.7% GB, 4.74 xFIP

Pitcher D: 5.10 K/9, 2.29 uIBB/9, 1.32 HR/9, 40.7% GB, 4.59 xFIP

Four pitchers, all of whom have been connected to the Yankees this offseason at one point or another. Pitcher C probably looks the most enticing since he has the highest strikeout rate and the second highest ground ball rate, but he also has the highest walk rate (for all intents and purposes anyway, a 0.01 uIBB/9 difference is one walk every 900 IP) and second highest xFIP. Pitcher A looks like a guy you’d avoid at all costs, and Pitcher D is interesting enough, but only when compared to the other three guys listed. Pitcher B boasts the best ground ball (by far) and xFIP, plus a mighty fine walk rate. The strikeout rate is ugly, but at least he makes up for it somewhat with his performance in the other categories.

You’ve probably figured it out by now, but Pitcher B is Sergio Mitre. Pitcher A is Armando Galarraga, Pitcher C is Jeremy Bonderman, and Pitcher D is Freddy Garcia. Those are 2010 stats and yes Mitre was used primarily in relief last season, but none of those other guys pitched in the AL East. The point of his largely irrelevant exercise is to show that all of these guys suck just as much as the others, but Mitre has one thing on all of them: the dude gets ground balls.

Strikeouts are without a doubt the preferred method of retiring batters, but if you can’t do that consistently the next best skill is the ability to generate ground balls. Grounders never turn into homeruns (without defensive miscues, anyway), and in fact big league hitters managed just a .241 wOBA (.020 ISO) on ground balls last season. Compare that to a .329 wOBA (.361 ISO) on fly balls and a .737 wOBA (.248 ISO) on line drives. Mitre has been a sinkerballer his entire career, and last year’s 50.9% ground ball rate is actually well below his career mark of 58.7%. Since 2003 (his first season), that 58.7% ground ball rate is the seventh best in baseball (min. 400 IP), trailing only noted sinkerball specialists Brandon Webb, Derek Lowe, Chien-Ming Wang, Tim Hudson, Fausto Carmona, and Jake Westbrook. Chad Qualls is a full percentage point behind Serg for eighth place.

And since I know you’re wondering, Mitre has a 16.5% line drive rate in his career (17.0% in 2010), which (believe it not) is the fourth lowest in baseball over the last seven seasons (again, min. 400 IP). The only guys ahead of him are Carmona, J.C. Romero, and some guy named Mariano Rivera. A ton of ground balls and a limited number of line drives are two traits you want in any pitcher, and you know what? Mitre has them, moreso than most other pitchers, and perhaps those traits will be even more prevalent as he gets further away from Tommy John surgery.

I’m not trying to defend Mitre as the fifth starter, because I certainly don’t want to see him out there 25+ times next season, but he simply might be the best option compared to the other dreck that’s out there. I still want the Yankees to bring in another pitcher (preferably Kevin Millwood at this point) just to have someone else that can compete for the job and for added depth, but with any luck the fifth starter won’t be needed much early in the season anyway. Sergio’s ground balls might be more helpful than chasing random free agent pitchers for one extra strikeout for every 10 or so innings pitched.

Mailbag: Scott Kazmir
The RAB Radio Show: January 24, 2010
  • pete


    • tomr

      I could not agree more. Mitre is coming off surgery (over the year and a half usually required) and he gets ground balls and soft outs. If you watch his starts, many of his hits and jams came as a result of “seeing-eye grounders.” Tommy John and Jimmy Key occasionally suffered from the same bad luck. Mitre is at least worth a 5th starter spot – especially in light of what is out there. A trade out of the blue (Piniero, Carmona, Jackson) aside, i feel this guy can throw.

  • The Big City of Dreams

    I would rather go through Javy part 3 than see Mitre pitch

  • bexarama

    Wow, Galarraga is really bad

  • AndrewYF

    He’s about as good an option as Brad Penny was at the beginning of the 2009 season. Of course, Brad Penny royally sucked, so that’s not too much solace.

  • Tom

    There has to be an xFIP penalty for relievers though, right? Mitre did that in 50ish innings.

  • Big Apple

    sometimes, the best decision is to do nothing

    • Corporate Scum (formerly Joe West’s Music Career)



      Tony Reagins

  • pat

    Mitre can keep it warm for a couple months while Phelps and the Brackmonster get some AAA innings. All in all Mitre put up a 4.38 xFIP last year in sporadic duty, he might be finally rounding into whatever form Girardi thinks he is when he recommended the signing.

  • the Other Steve S.

    Smoltz available? Hell, I’d rather have somebody that can at least REMEMBER when he was effective than Mitre. I heard Sandy Koufax still shows up at Dodger camps and can toss 80mph. Call him…

    • Big Apple

      i don’t think you can find a pitcher who had worse AL East stats than Smoltz did with the sox…that was a joke and I still laugh at it.

      • the Other Steve S.

        That still leaves Koufax. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say Mitre is better than Drysdale at this point.

      • Billion$Bullpen

        I get that the Smoltz line was a joke. But I was behind home plate a few seats for two of his Red Sox starts and his problem seemed to be location and I think that was based on not enough work. I am also not a fan of Mitre but I do not think he is as bad as some folks think he is.

        • the Other Steve S.

          Actually, from what I remember he was still bringing at about 93mph. I never saw him in person so I have no idea why he was so ineffective. Since he gave up, I’m guessing he didn’t either.

  • Big Apple

    the yanks ought to let sergio grow that facial hair…that may be helpul in intimidating batters…at least the first time through the order until they realize who’s on the mound.

  • Andy in Sunny Daytona

    Don’t be surprised if Mitre and Nova end up with as many wins as Lester and Buchholz.


    • Steve H

      Just make sure you can go back and delete this comment in 8 months.

      • Andrew

        He is calling your house as we speak to find out what would make you think it’s okay to post this.

        • bexarama


      • bexarama

        Oooh you might get a phone call for that one Steve. Make sure you don’t live with your mom.

    • Kevin

      ha. Taylor Buchholz. ha.

  • Big Apple

    Who’s this cat Lester Bucholz that you speak of and what team does he play for?

  • Tom Zig

    It’s funny that Armando Galarraga is the worst of the four, across the board. Well except HR/9, which he is .01 behind the worst. Yet people were pining for him hard. I didn’t know he was this bad, but it makes me wonder if people actually looked at his numbers.

    • Steve H

      but it makes me wonder if people actually looked at his numbers.

      Nope. They looked at 1 game, 1 game, and decided he was good. He’s not, he’s terrible.

      • bexarama

        I knew he wasn’t good, maybe not even Mitre “good,” I just didn’t realize he was that bad.

  • Kiersten

    Mitre will be serviceable for the first 3 months of the season till the Yankees are able to acquire a pitcher. The real wildcard is Burnett here, IMO. If he can pitch to a sub-4 ERA during that time, I think we’ll be OK.

  • Johnny O

    Plan B is Patience. And signing Rafael Soriano to 3/$35M. I guess Plan B only applies to the rotation….

    • Ted Nelson

      Cashman is very loudly and clearly on record saying that Soriano was not his Plan B.

      His Plan B was patience, his bosses’ Plan B was patience in the rotation and Soriano in the pen.

      The fact that a relief pitcher was signed is not even all that related to the rotation anyway, though. Even if Plan A, Cliff Lee, signed the Yankees still might have signed Soriano.

      • Billion$Bullpen

        Yeah but who cares what Cash’s plan was as long as the Yanks ownership will cut the check to cover whatever salary dump pitcher Cash can get when he can get them. That pick we gave up for Soriano was not that big of a deal, and the terms of the contract are crap but if the one thing we have more of than anybody is $ why not do it.

        That Vernon Wells trade made the Soriano signing look like a frugal and effective move. Not that I think we should judge it as such. I am not in favor of Levine and Hal and Hank making moves on their own but I am in favor of having somebody able to be a check and balance for Cash or whoever the next GM is.

        • Ted Nelson

          I’m with you. I was not against the Soriano signing. Didn’t think it was the greatest move ever, but wasn’t against it.

          My point was just that you can’t criticize Brian Cashman for first saying that Plan B was patience with the starting rotation and then signing off on the Soriano deal. That’s what the above commenter seemed to be doing. For one Soriano is not a starter. And apparently Cashman was not even involved in the Soriano negotiations.

  • Short Porch aka Master of the Obvious

    Mitre’s WHIP last year was 1.09, good for 20th in the AL. There were only three starters — Lee (1.00), King Felix (1.06), and Jared Weaver (1.07) — that were lower.

    As with Nova, I don’t like what happens with the guy after two turns through the order, and 30-40 pitches, and last year’s 54 innings could be a small sample size, but post Tommy John he’s looking quite serviceable.

    We need an innings eater like Millwood back of the rotation, but he may not be the disaster the OhNoes crowd would have you believe.

    • JGS

      Not really fair to call Mitre a starter–he started three games and threw 54 innings total.

      Among all AL pitchers with 50+ innings, his WHIP was 16th, but his .228 BABIP was also 8th lowest.

      • Andrew

        Couldn’t his BABIP be expected to be somewhat lower than average just because he relies so much on ground balls? While it may not stay down at .228 given more than 54 IP, grounders do turn into more outs, so luck might not be as much of a factor.

        • JGS

          Do they? I thought fly balls (that aren’t home runs, which don’t go into BABIP) turn into outs more often than ground balls. It’s line drives that are almost always hits, but those aren’t a subset of fly balls.

      • Short Porch aka Master of the Obvious

        Sorry was not clear —

        Of the top 16 in WHIP, there were only three starters — and Mitre, who started three games. The other 12 players were relievers, none of whom started any games. I had Mitre at 20 because I was going with 40+ innings. Like your sample better.

        .228 BABIP rocks. His BAA was .223. I think on the Yanks only Rivera at .183 was better. CC was at .239.

        • JGS

          .228 BABIP rocks, but isn’t necessarily replicable. I would argue the BABIP as a point against Mitre, not for.

          • Short Porch aka Master of the Obvious

            To quote Mike: “big league hitters managed just a .241 wOBA (.020 ISO) on ground balls last season.”

            Mitre is one of the top ground ball producers in the game.

            He was at .228 all in, including flyballs, line drives, where he was by contrast quite stingy. Not that aberrant, right?

        • F7

          Sabathia’s BABIP was .281.

          Mitre was at .226 and Rivera was at .222. The lowest starter in the league was Trevor Cahill at .236, and he’s 18th overall among pitchers with at least 50 innings.

          Mitre’s results are skewed because of a low BABIP last year. Make of that what you will.

    • pete

      he may not be the disaster the OhNoes crowd would have you believe.

      The Yankees’ worst record since 1994 (or, more correctly, 1993) was 2000, when they won 87 games. And the world series. During that span, they missed the playoffs once, in 2008, when they won 89 games.

      In other words, when you root for the Yankees, nothing is ever the disaster the OhNoes crowd would have you believe.

  • Steve H

    I don’t mind signing someone in addition to Mitre, but not necessarily to replace Mitre, as the upgrade is negligible. I’d love to see Millwood and Duchsherer, one innings eater and one upside guy, which would push Nova to AAA and Mitre to bullpen to start the year. But as far as getting Galarraga, Garcia, or Bonderman as an upgrade to Mitre? It’s just not the case.

    • bexarama

      I would absolutely love to see the Yankees get Duch at this point. I know he’s going to break at some point, but he’s actually good if health and for however many starts you get him for, he gets at least one of Mitre and Nova into the bullpen/6th starter role.

      Millwood, Garcia, Galarraga, Bonderman? Meh. Super meh.

      • Steve H

        I’d take Millwood simply to eat some innings and provide Mitre-like depth. There are so many question marks in the rotation with regard to health (and innings), Millwood’s likely 180 innings, even if at a 5.00 ERA, would be good to have around.

    • theyankeewarrior

      Yes. Yes. Yes.

      The point isn’t trying to figure out who is better. The point is getting lucky and having one of these guys perform for half a season. No one has a crystal ball. No one knows who is going to perform.

      But if we have twp or three of these guys on our team, we have more opportunities for success.

      Not to mention the fact that we have no 6th or 7th starters right now that have ANY experience.

  • king of fruitless hypotheticals

    GUYS! for pete’s sake, that’s why soriano was hired. we are not going to let Mitre and Nova go through the order a third time…they’re going to be fantastic through 4.2, 5 innings.

    • Tom Zig

      Joe Torre, is that you?

    • Matt Imbrogno

      My sarcasm meter is going off, but not as much as it should be.

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        by June it won’t even register…

    • Short Porch aka Master of the Obvious

      Stocking up on good relievers given the cost and scarcity of good starters may not be a bad idea as long as you don’t overpay of course.

      Here’s a fruitless hypothetical — If you could get two pitchers who could pitch lights out for 3 innings, would that be as good as one who could go 6, especially if the latter costs more money and prospects?

      Why not 3 starters and 9 relievers? Girardi would have fun with it at a minimum,and I bet opposing managers and players would hate it.

      • JGS

        The more guys you have to use, the higher likelihood one of them will suck that day.

        • Ted Nelson

          The guy who sucks that day might be one of the first guys you use. Let’s say randomly 1 in 4 guys you use is going to suck relative to their long-run performance that day. If the first two guys suck, odds are that the next 6 guys are going to be having good days.

  • Dr. O

    How about a more sensible solution? Like contest winners. To be fair Sergio Mitre is eligible to enter each drawing.

  • jsbrendog (returns)

    i’m going to see the Sergio Mitre Experience Laser Light Show at the planet-aaaaah-rium

  • mike hc

    Mitre has become the symbol for all that is wrong in yankeeland. He is nothing more than a scrapheap pick up who has a chance to get hot and eat some back of the rotation innings. Hopefully the yanks pick up another budget pitcher, and let them and our other organizational arms fight for the back two spots throughout the season. The rotation is in a bad spot with pettitte retiring and our top young guys a year or two away. We will have to make due until one of those two things change.

    • Steve H

      with pettitte retiring

      Pettitte retired????

      He is nothing more than a scrapheap pick up who has a chance to get hot and eat some back of the rotation innings.

      Only one team can have 5 aces. #5 starters are historically awful, even on World Series champions. Almost all #5 starters a scrap heap guys. No big deal.

      • JGS

        to whit:

        5th in GS on the 2010 Giants was Bumgarner, who was awesome but that doesn’t really count. He was never the “5th starter”, he just came up midseason. After him was Todd Wellemeyer and his 5.68 ERA (and 5.4 BB/9)

        5th in GS on the 2009 Yankees was a tie between Sergio Mitre and Chien-Ming Wang. The two combined for 93.2 innings of 8.07 ERA/1.804 WHIP

        2008 Phillies–Adam Eaton and his 5.80 ERA
        2007 Red Sox–Julian Tavarez, 5.15 ERA
        2006 Cardinals–Mark Mulder and Anthony Reyes were tied for 4th and 5th. They combined for 178.2 innings of 6.15 ERA/1.500 WHIP. Oh year, they also had Jason Marquis and his 6.02 ERA make 33 starts.

        et cetera, et cetera, et cetera

      • Billion$Bullpen


      • mike hc

        I have a feeling you know what I meant regarding pettitte.

        And where did I imply our rotation is a disaster? Just being realistic that it is not optimal and it can be a lot better if pettitte comes back or top minor leaguers develop in the next year or two.

    • Will (the other one)

      Call me crazy, but if “all that is wrong in Yankeeland” is not having the back of the rotation quite sorted out, I think we’re doing just fine.

      Remember, the team that sets foot on the field Opening Day isn’t the team that we’ll be watching come August and September, and you know that Cash is going to spend his entire spring and summer looking for deals which will upgrade the staff. And it’s not like the pitching market this offseason was so outstanding that the front office had its pick of upgrades–in a market that was essentially “Cliff Lee and everyone else,” standing pat and working through the first part of the season always had to be considered a viable option. Sure, Andy’s retirement (assuming it sticks, which seems reasonable) puts us in a tough spot, but again, it’s not like we didn’t see this coming.

      So, given the current roster construction, I’ll feel pretty good about our personnel on Opening Day regardless of whether or not the team signs another back-end starter. Would I want this staff to be the one pushing for a playoff spot in the fall? No, of course not. But I doubt very much that our Opening Day five will be the exact same ones trying to win the division once the summer ends.

      • mike hc

        The all is wrong in yankeeland reference was meant to imply he is wrongfully being skewered everywhere. I don’t know who you are rallying against because I think the yanks are strong as is. But I’m also not rose colored glasses to the point where I delude myslef into thinking the rotation is all good. It needs improvement, or luck, or both really.

    • pat

      If only our GM could find someone who could be

      a scrapheap pick up who has a chance to get hot and eat some back of the rotation innings

      That would be awesome.

    • Ted Nelson

      “Mitre has become the symbol for all that is wrong in yankeeland.”

      How much is wrong when you return a 95 win team that pushed the ALCS to 6 games last season? I think what’s wrong in yankeeland is reactionary fans and media.

      • Billion$Bullpen

        Our rotation is greatly reduced with Andy not coming back because of the PED / Rodger stuff. However our bullpen is better on paper and I like our bench better than this time last year. So yeah maybe its close to a wash but we still need a starter. And Andy could come back but this team would set itself up for failure if they expect that.

        • bexarama

          with Andy not coming back because of the PED / Rodger stuff.

          That’s speculation, not fact, and Andy hasn’t retired

        • Ted Nelson

          Pettitte only started 21 games last season. 48% of starts were made by Burnett, Vazquez, Moseley, Nova, or Mitre. Burnett and Javy were pretty awful. Hughes was average.

          You could get a (very) good starter to give you 15-20 starts in a mid-season trade and replace Andy’s 2010, or a full 33-ish starts from a bounce back AJ Burnett maybe replaces Andy’s 2010. And/or Hughes builds on last season and is more than an average starter. Maybe 2 good mid-season acquisitions/call-ups give you 30 starts and largely make up for Pettitte. Maybe Pettitte comes back mid-season and makes up for Pettitte. Plenty of options.

          The 5th starter may only start about a handful of games the first couple months of the season, anyway.

          The 2010 rotation just wasn’t good and they won 95 games, took the ALCS to 6 games, and made the playoffs by a 6 game margin. The 2011 rotation might be worse, but maybe not that much worse or worse at all when everything is said and done. Or maybe a lot worse. We’ll see how things play out. No use in deciding how they’ll play out in January based on names on a piece of paper, which I think is the spirit of the above article.

      • mike hc

        That was my point which I obviously did not express very well. Mitre is getting wrongfully singled out when he is just a guy we are trying to get lucky with.

  • David

    Mitre won’t be much of a factor. Just need a decent Burnett and Andy to come back, which he will, and we will be fine. The offense could be significantly better with bounceback years, and the defense should be a bit better.

  • tomaconda

    If Wandy Rodriguez gets 10.5 mil in arbitration the stros would be dying to get rid of him wouldn’t they?

    • Chops

      AFAIK, the Astros are trying to get him to sign an extension.

  • J_Yankees

    Mitre has one thing on all of them: the dude gets ground balls.

    Yes, and that can normally be looked at as a good thing. But in Mitre’s case i’m not sure how much of an advantage it really is. Couple his high career groundball rate as a starter with the fact guys are hitting .330 off him when they put the ball in play (again as a starter), it turns into him giving up a lot of hits (11.2 H/9). While it might not be his fault, it’s still something that is happening and can’t be ignored.

    Yes he is getting groundballs but those groundballs are turning into lots of hits and they are leading to lots of runs when he starts.

    While the ball may not be flying out of the park and the runs Mitre gives up might not be totally “his” fault, it doesn’t mean the other team is scoring less runs off of him when compared to other starters who give up the long ball more frequently.

    • Ted Nelson

      Other starters in the above analysis means just Galarraga, Bonderman, and Garcia. That if the Yankees choices are one of those guys or Mitre, Mitre might actually win out in a fair competition. I don’t see Mike saying Mitre is a good pitcher, just that he might be the least bad option to open the season depending on who the Yankees can acquire at this point.

      • J_Yankees

        I didn’t say Mike said Mitre was a good pitcher. Just that i’m not 100% sold on Mitre’s advantage over the above mentioned pitchers being his ability to induce groundballs.

    • king of fruitless hypotheticals

      perhaps the biggest issue could be the statues on the left side of the field this year…can Gardner play A LOT more shallow???

  • YankFanDave

    Great post. Maybe that binder of Girardi’s explains his faith the Mitre after all.

  • Jd

    Yanks need to relax their grooming stance.

  • Mike Myers

    Its amazing what numbers can tell or make us think.

    Mitre just doesnt pass the “eyeball test”…… but, what do I know. Here is to rose colored glasses.

    • Steve H

      The numbers don’t tell us much good about Mitre, they tell us more bad about the other guys.

  • Ted Nelson

    Good analysis.

    I just don’t get why some people are so against Sergio Mitre, yet willing to let worse pitchers pitch in his place. Instead of anyone better than Mitre, some fans just seem to be looking for anyone not named Mitre regardless of baseball skill.

    I’m not excited about him and agree some cheap competition should at least be brought to camp, but you make some good points.

    • NJYankeeFan

      You must be kidding about Mitre. He totally sucks and essentially has no significant upside as well. His numbers last year looked OK on the surface but good luck if you expect him to repeat his .226 BABIP from last year. In addition, his splits as a starter the last few years are absolutely horrible though in a small sample size.
      At this point I think Kevin Millwood would be the safest option as 5th starter to eat up innings and provide some value while Duchsherer probably has the most upside of the remaining starters though it’s unlikley you could even get 125-150 innings out of him. As for Mitre, if he has a WAR above 0 as a starter, the Yanks should throw a parade.

      • Ted Nelson

        I don’t think you read what I wrote.

        “I just don’t get why some people are so against Sergio Mitre, yet willing to let worse pitchers pitch in his place.” … “I’m not excited about him and agree some cheap competition should at least be brought to camp”

        What must I be kidding about? Where did I say anything about how good Mitre is? My points were that I am not excited about him, but that I cannot understand why people are so rabid to have anyone not named Mitre start that some would rather overpay for even worse starters than let Mitre near the mound.

        You may notice that Millwood and Duchscherer are not among the 4 pitchers discussed in the piece above. Maybe the Yankees can sign Millwood and/or Duchscherer, but maybe they can’t.

        Duchscherer has pitched 100 big league innings in a season once in his career, btw. Averages 62.5 innings per year. So, yeah, it’s a good bet he will not give you even 125 innings.

        • NJYankeeFan

          My point was Yankee fans aren’t against Mitre because his name is Mitre as you stated, they are against him because he’s terrible and he offers almost no upside. I agree if my choices are Galaraga, Bonderman and Garcia, you might as well stick with the poison that you know but that’s not much of a choice. I’d rather ride Duchsherer for a few months until he breaks down and hope one of the kids are ready to come up in June or sign Millwood and let him eat innings and be resigned to the fact he’s only going to give you 1.0-1.5 WAR from the 5th spot.

          • Ted Nelson

            “Yankee fans aren’t against Mitre because his name is Mitre as you stated, they are against him because he’s terrible and he offers almost no upside. I agree if my choices are Galaraga, Bonderman and Garcia, you might as well stick with the poison that you know”

            You are agreeing with my point there. I was not talking to you when I first commented. I was talking about the people who are desperate to trade for Scott Kazmir or Andres Galarraga. To sign any scrub not named Mitre. Just because you may not be one of them, does not mean those people don’t exist.

            I also specifically said that I would sign some competition, so your Duchscherer/Millwood comment is also right in line with my original comment. You criticize my comment only to make the exact same points: good job.

            Of course, riding Duch for a “couple months” is not very likely. He’s pitched 30 innings 1 of the past 3 seasons and you have to actually get him to sign before he can pitch for you. With only one obvious opening in the rotation it might be hard to get both of those guys to sign. You can tell them you’re sending Nova to AAA or the pen, but that doesn’t mean they believe you.

  • king of fruitless hypotheticals

    I’m more concerned with Tex’s spring bat, Jeter’s season long bat and then the 6th or 7th starter than Mitre or Nova at this point.

    Does anybody else remember how @#$@#$ awesome the rest of this team is, or am I dreaming?

  • NJYankeeFan

    As putrid as he is, Mitre would be OK if 1-4 were rock solid but you have no idea what you’re gonna get from Burnett or Nova.

  • mustang

    This is depressing.

  • Billion$Bullpen

    Ive been wanting Millwood on this team all offcseason. He can get us some innings and win some games if we hit, thats all you need out of a #5 although I guess at this point he would be our #4 if we signed him.

    What would a Millwood one year pick up cost us? That win loss total from last year has got to keep his price down. Does not seem like any other team is dying to have him. This deal should be done.

  • Ori M

    We’ve spent way too much time debating the rotation spots 2-5, can’t we all just take a second to remember that we have fucking CC Sabathia anchoring this team? C. C. Sabathia. Think about the teams from 2004-2008, virtually no pitching aside from Moose and some miracle performances from Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon. We have CC, and CC will lead us to the promised land.

  • Granderslam

    Still holding out for that last minute trade…as unlikely as it is.

  • Monteroisdinero

    Let us all remember as well that Phil Hughes was our 5th starter last year and that worked out pretty well. He was not expected to perform at the level he did. Mitre might surprise us and be decent rather than awful. YCPB.

  • BronxByte

    Romulo Sanchez will be out of options if he doesn’t make the team out of spring training which he likely won’t. Send him and another player that doesn’t figure high in Yankee plans to the Astros for LHSP Wandy Rodriquez.