Jan
20

Open Thread: Granderson goes down under

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I didn’t even know they had a basketball league in New Zealand, and yet there’s Curtis Granderson chucking souvenirs into the stands during one of the games. The Grandyman is in the country as part of MLB’s International Ambassador program, which Anthony McCarron wrote about yesterday. He’ll be there for another week or so, and will hold clinics and make several appearances in the meantime, including one at a big youth tournament. This is Grandy’s fourth time in the program, as MLB has sent him to Europe (2006), South Africa (2007), and China (2008). C.J. Wilson (South Africa) and Prince Fielder (Tokyo) are also involved in the program this year, and you can see a video of Granderson’s experience at his blog. What a life, eh?

Anyways, here is tonight’s open thread. The Rangers, Isles, and Devils are all in action, plus the new season of Parks & Rec starts tonight. The FJM’er formerly known as Ken Tremendous co-created that show, you know. It’s pretty awesome, I recommend it. Talk about whatever, enjoy.

Categories : Open Thread
  • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L
    • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

      I am a Hurricane fan and I approve this message.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    a. Granderson rules.

    b. So my mom was linked to Bleacher Report today and she ended up on a countdown of the 20 most hated baseball players. She sent it to me talking about how stupid it was.

    Anyway, most hated player #20? Andy Pettitte. Wut.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      I know none of us know what goes on in the clubhouse, but Morgan and Fielder, really?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        I didn’t see the rest of the countdown, but is the Morgan you refer to Nyjer Morgan? Because he does genuinely seem disliked by a lot of the league.

        Prince Fielder? I know he’s been in some little scuffles and stuff here and there but I don’t think he’s hated.

        • radnom

          Pettitte is on their for PEDs but its hard to fault them because they included Ortiz as well. Not that either of those players is really disliked for that, but at least it was consistent. Ortiz was actually higher on the list for failing to own up.

          • radnom

            *there

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            Ahhh okay, that makes sense.

            Still, by all accounts Pettitte and Ortiz are not just good but tremendous clubhouse guys. I mean, part of the reason no one cares at this point that they did PEDs is because they are so supposedly nice and well-liked.

  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

    plus the new season of Parks & Rec starts tonight.

    Thank Mo. Considering they pushed back Parks & Rec until now for “Outsourced”, I figured it must be good, despite how horrible it looked in the commercials. I watched about 15 minutes of the first episode, and it was beyond horrible.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Outsourced looked like a half-hour version of those terribly offensive MetroPCS commercials.

      • New Kid

        OMG That’s exactly what I thought when I saw 10 minutes of an episode.

        • Pat D

          Kill me for saying this, but I’ve been watching it from the start, just because I DVR everything on NBC on Thursdays since I work, but it’s not soooooooo terrible.

          I wouldn’t call it good, but it’s gotten a bit better. Unfortunately, they still haven’t gotten past nothing much more than ethnic and “fish out of water” American guy in India jokes.

          • Jd

            Watched parks for first time,, unfunny :(

  • Brett

    Its an Ausralian/New Zealand league. Well, 8 Aussie teams and one from NZ.

    • NZ Samuel

      There’s a bunch of sports leagues that work that way here. Football (Soccer) – 1 NZ team in the Australian league, Rugby League – 1 NZ team in the Australian league, and the basketball – 1 NZ team in the Aussie league.

  • long time listener

    He must have a crazy amount of frequent flier miles. He could probably go to Saturn for free. First class.

    • Accent Shallow

      I bet you still can’t get a meal on a flight to Saturn.

      Sheesh.

  • NZ Samuel

    Granderson’s headed to Auckland, the biggest city I know, but I live in Christchurch in the South Island, SOOOOOO gutted I couldn’t go out to see him! Not like I’ll get a major chance again until I head Stateside to check out the new Stadium!

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Cueto got a four year extension, wow.

    • bonestock94

      Damn, I should kick someone in the head

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        I guess it’s not that bad, reviewing the numbers. His strikeouts are trending the wrong way, but BB/9, HR/9, GB%, HR/FB%, ERA, and FIP are all trending the right way.

        • bonestock94

          Him being a piece of shit aside, if his FIP continues to go down or even holds steady I think its worth it. He has good velocity and seems to have decent control.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            Yeah, his FB velo has stayed consistent, too. Should be a worthwhile signing.

  • Craig

    Does anyone know what #s Martin, Feliciano and Jones will be wearing? I could give two craps about Cervelli

    • Mattchu12

      My Predictions:

      Martin wears #55, they aren’t going to retire it for Matsui.

      Feliciano wears #39, he wore it during 2006 for the Mets and it gets handed out a lot.

      Jones wears #26, one up from his usual #25, I could see #17 or #18 too.

      Montero wears #35, wore it at the Futures Game, won’t get retired for Moose.

      • rbizzler

        I am still holding out hope that Montero gets the almighty #21. He does wear it in the minors, which I think would be a better indicator of his preference than the Futures Game.

        • Mattchu12

          I didn’t know what number he wore in the minors, and I suppose if anybody is going to grab #21 off the shelf and dust it off, it might as well be Montero.

  • Monteroisdinero

    Grandy will do great things in his post-baseball career. Solid man.

    One Andrew down and one to go!

    • mbonzo

      Who’s the one to go? Brackman?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        >:( YOU KNOW.

        • mbonzo

          OHHHHHHH! Me and Eugene are on a middle name basis. Forgot about Andy.

        • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

          Phew. Thought he was talking about me.

    • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

      *Andruw

  • bonestock94
    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Eric Stangel: Nope.

      The next time he’s funny on Twitter will be the first.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        I thought it was funny, but there are a lot of people who will take that sentiment seriously and get pissed at B-Cash.

      • bonestock94

        Really? This ones weak but theres some that I find clever.

    • Michael Mirabella

      And what would you say the Yankees did with Soriano?

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    I wonder, was Joe Torre underrated as a player? He played the majority of his games at C, 3B, and 1B. His .297/.365/.452 is not bad at all, considering how great the pitching was when he played.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      He’s, at the least, a borderline HOF candidate as a player.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Check out his black ink/grey ink.

        • vin

          Yeah, he seems like half a HOFer to me too.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml

      Good, not great player. He played a lot of corner infield positions, so you expect some pop. Had two big years, and some other years where you wonder where the power went. Career OPS+ 128. He’ll make it to the HOF as a manager, mainly because he’s well liked and is the only living manager with 4 rings. But as a player, he falls short.

    • http://www.retire21.org first name only male (formerly Mike R. – Retire 21)

      yes he was. Torre is probably the best Player/Manager combination. Impressive numbers as both.

    • Monteroisdinero

      I thought he was afraid to catch.

      CHICKEN CACCIATORRE.

  • mbonzo

    Haven’t really been watching but Kevin Youkilis is #4 on the list of top 10 Third Basemen in 2011. So far beating out at least Beltre and Wright… I don’t think Youkilis deserves to be on this list. Play a year at the position and we’ll see if you beat out the other 26 Third basemen.

    • mbonzo

      #3- Arod, no problem with that.
      Didn’t see everyone but I’m assuming and at least hoping that Longoria is #1 and Zimmerman is #2.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Do you really care about these silly MLBN lists? In a league with 30 teams, getting ranked at your position in the top 10 isn’t really a huge accomplishment anyway.

      • mbonzo

        Well I don’t think you should list them in order. But to say Youkilis, a guy who’s never come close to a full season at third base, ahead of guys like Wright and Beltre is a crime.

        • vin

          I just want to add that he’s moving back to 3B as a 32 year old. It’s not like he’s moving from a more athletic position (SS, like Ripken or Alex) to 3B. He’s going to have to work his ass off to maintain that athleticism.

          I think he can handle it, but I’m expecting his offense to take a bit of a dip. Should be interesting anyway.

      • mbonzo

        #10 best Centerfielder is Grady Sizemore… and I’m done.

        • mbonzo

          #9 Ellsbury

          Sizemore and Ellsbury combined for 223 plate appearances in 2010.
          I’m starting to wonder if Granderson will even make the list.

          I bet Angel Pagan, 2011 centerfielder, who posted a 4.9 WAR in 2010 won’t even get mentioned.

          • mbonzo

            #8 Torii Hunter

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

            • mbonzo

              #7 Vernon Wells

              • mbonzo

                #6 Colby Rasmus. My faith is renewed. The first guy who deserves to be on the list.

                • mbonzo

                  #5 Austin Jackson. He’d barely crack 10 on my list but he’d be up there. I doubt these analysts know what BABIP is.

                  • mbonzo

                    #4 Shane Victorino
                    I like it, he only hit .259 last year, but posted a .273 BABIP, so I’d expect a rebound.

                    • mbonzo

                      #3 The Grandy Man

                    • rbizzler

                      Phew. Not that I gained any respect for MLBN, but it would have been sad if that list didn’t include Grandy.

                    • mbonzo

                      #2 Matt Kemp

                    • mbonzo

                      Of last years centerfielders, Kemp finished with the second lowest WAR next to Melky Cabrera. Way to go MLB network.

                    • mbonzo

                      #1 Andrew McCutchen

          • radnom

            Ok, but isn’t the list of 2011? Does anyone really think Angel Pagan will be one of the ten most productive CF next season? (Not that Sizemore will be either but two wrongs don’t make a right).

            • mbonzo

              He’ll probably get more fielding points moving over to center for good next year, and he seems to be developing a bit of power. I think he could be in the top 10. He was top 5 last year. All I want, is to see him be a runner up but I bet he doesn’t get mentioned.

    • Teh Comp Pick

      The above point about these lists being inherently stupid and therefore not even worth it defintely holds some water, but I’m in full agreement. You can’t not start at the position for your team and/or be on the list at another position to make the list it’s dumb. That said, what is the top ten at 3b? Beltre may have been #1

      • mbonzo

        Don’t really remember now but I think it was
        1. Evan Longoria
        2. Ryan Zimmerman
        3. Arod
        4. Youkilis
        5. Beltre
        6. Wright
        7. Mark Reynolds
        8. Placido Polanco
        9. Casey McGehee
        10. ????

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          Rolen was #8, Polanco was #9 and McGehee was #10, otherwise I’m pretty sure this is right

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    The Rays are no doubt taking a huge step back this year. But think about how well they draft, how deep this draft is, and how many picks they have in the top 100. They have so many picks some people are wondering if they’ll have the budget space to go after top talent with all of them, or will wind up taking lesser players that they know will sign. Given that they’ve slashed their MLB payroll, and are a smart organization, I have to think they’ll sign the best players. And with a haul like that in this year’s draft, they could easily be back on top in 2-3 years.

    • mbonzo

      I have a feeling they could have resigned Crawford or Soriano or at least one of their type B players if they didn’t have so many picks. The money they’re saving from not resigning type A and B free agents should be going right into their draft.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        Crawford is getting 20 million a year for 7 years. The Rays whole draft will get less than that for 1 year. They could afford Crawford.

        • mbonzo

          They could absolutely afford him, but they’re cheap and need to feed their front office stacks of money. They’ll complain about not being able to afford to keep good players because of low attendance, but if my team didn’t even negotiate with a star in their prime leaving, I wouldn’t attend games either.

          • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

            Technically they could afford him, but it would have made zero sense to give him a contact anywhere near what he got. It’s bad business for a team that has a pisspoor revenue stream. They get 2 picks for him, they have a loaded system with a Crawford replacement, and they have payroll flexibility they wouldn’t otherwise have if they even gave Crawford $15 million. I think the small market teams, in general, cry poor way too often, but the Rays would have been foolish to give Crawford a huge contract.

            • mbonzo

              Desmond Jennings definitely makes more sense than Crawford for them. Half their players seem to leave every season though, and I don’t remember seeing the Rays even try to negotiate with any of them this year. Its hard for fans of a new team like the Rays to get attached to a team thats a revolving door of baseball players.

          • http://ww.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

            You wouldn’t go watch your team as they were winning the AL East?

            • mbonzo

              Its hard to even call them your team when half of their players change year to year. Its hard enough to get fans liking them in the Tampa area, but when they show no interest in resigning old players that I enjoyed watching during their winning season, what incentive is there to see the new group of players? To see some new guys win?

        • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

          Couldn’t afford Crawford that is.

    • Avi

      I’m pretty sure they’re gonna Cito Culver a bunch of those picks.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        Meaning what exactly?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          He’s going to break out some line about taking a tenth round talent in the first round.

        • Avi

          Meaning they won’t pick the best player available and will instead take a guy who they can sign for slot.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            It doesn’t matter how much it costs to sign someone. Take the player you like the best, end of story. The Yankees haven’t hesitated to go over slot since Oppenheimer took over.

            • Avi

              I didn’t say they have. I have a hard time believing Culver was the player the yanks liked most though.

              • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

                Why? What would possibly lead you to that conclusion, essentially that the Yankees are cheap?

                • Avi

                  Absolutely not. The Yankees are anything but cheap. Maybe they had an operating budget for the draft, I have no idea. I just hated the pick.

                  • Avi

                    BTW this year’s draft day would’ve been a lot of fun with the 31st pick. We’re probably not gonna pick now till the second day.

                  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

                    You may have hated the pick, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t the player the Yankees liked the most. And not long after the draft, it sounded like there were several other teams that were interested in Culver.

                    • Avi

                      To me it’s worse news if they actually like him most. Much better for it to be about money or something else than incompetence.

                    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

                      So you think you know more about drafting than the Yankee organization?

                    • mbonzo

                      Why do you say its incompetence?

                      Isn’t it possible that the million of dollar scouts the Yankees have, somehow knows more about players than blogs and baseball writers? The fact is, it seems like the Yankees did a damn good job of hiding Culver from other teams. Like the Braves used to do to local players, the Yankees have kept an eye on him for a long time and invited him to camps before he was even drafted. Culver has the ability to be a five tool player/switch hitting/90 mph throwing/major league shortstop, and he’s held his own so far in the minors, as a 17 year old playing professionally. (now 18)

  • ultimate913

    So I was reading this article on Halos Heaven(I know. I shouldn’t be doing that. It makes my head hurt) and I found this piece:

    The Angels official website on MLB.com has lost its credibility to me. It’s probably my fault as I thought the site reported news in an unbiased and truthful manner, yet I’ve repeatedly read items on the site that are full of errors and bold-faced lies. I was unaware the site was just a marketing tool used by Major League Baseball employing hucksters touting the amazing powers of their latest tonic. Fortunately, I’m a knowledgeable enough fan who knows when someone is trying to sell rather than inform. But what about the casual fan who has a life other than baseball and visits the site for “news”? They are being sold a useless patent medicine.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Really? Like your site hasn’t?

    • The Real JobaWockeeZ

      No east coast bias mention? Must be a record.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Paraphrasing Dan Plesac: “If healthy, Jacoby Ellsbury and Grady Sizemore are probably the one and two center fielders in baseball.”

    Jacoby Ellsbury? Are you fucking serious? MLB Network analysis is embarrassing.

    • The Real JobaWockeeZ

      T3h webgems! 70 steals!

    • mbonzo

      Ellsbury is my favorite, and along with Mike Cameron, the only Red Sox player I actually like. That said, he’s nowhere near top 10, and even if he was healthy it would be hard for me to find a spot for him.