Friday night open thread


The Yanks lost a pair today as both Phil Hughes and Ivan Nova weren’t sharp. That’s pretty much the headline today.

In baseball news, Chuck Greenberg is out as CEO of the Rangers. Strange happenings there. Apparently he and Nolan Ryan weren’t getting along. I guess violence and apathy don’t go hand-in-hand these days.

In more serious Yankee news, Kei Igawa cannot reach his family in Japan following last night’s tsunami. The club has donated $100,000 to the early relief aid, and the Igawa family is in our thoughts right now.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Bryan L says:

    Really unfortunate news about Japan and Igawa. Is he going to fly out there soon?

  2. NJYankeeFan says:

    It was nice to see that the loud mouth jackass Chuck Greenberg has been kicked to the curb by the Rangers.
    Now if only the Yankees could do the same thing with Hank…

    • Slugger27 says:

      isnt he the highest person up though? greenberg wasn’t the owner or even the president, so he had bosses… hank has no boss

      sadly, i think we’re stuck with him

      • Urban says:

        Hank, to me, is mostly harmless. His words don’t have a whole lot of bite, and I think that’s because he’s generally probably a nice guy who is trying to fill a role in the organization that he’s not really suited for. Between Hal and Hank, as well as Levine and of course Cahsman, I think they’re trying to cut up their roles to collectively mimic their father, but that’s a mistake, at least in the case of Hank. He’s the mouthpiece, but it doesn’t fit him.

  3. Got MLB 2K11 a few days ago since I don’t own a PS3 for The Show. I don’t like 2K11, but it’s pretty good so far, it took me a while to get used to the pitching controls, but after getting it down I threw a no-no into the 5th. Perfect game? not a chance =(

  4. S says:

    Hughes did use his changeup, and actually recorded six of his 12 outs with that pitch, I’ll take that over a win in spring-training.

  5. Craig says:

    How bout Lee calling out NY saying he didn’t join them cause they’re “kinda old”? What a dumbass, does he not realize he himself is “older”? Playing in a rotation with 1 P under 30 along with one of the oldest teams in the league that, outside of Domonic Brown, has little farm? Meanwhile, NYY has a great farm and plenty of guys under 30, I hope the guy never wins a ring.

    • bexarama says:

      I know very little about the Phillies’ farm but it’s always listed as one of the better ones. I don’t know how much of that is “just” a few top-tier players like Brown, though. But yeah, the Phillies are the oldest team in baseball, Cliff.

      • S says:

        any good prospects are in A-ball, outside of that they are barren. Basically everyone will be old and crappy before any of their boys are able to take over, and even then they will be clogged up.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        If you take Brown out there’s no one that can immediately help them go younger.

        Unless Amaro does some good Swish and Grandy esque trades I don’t see them getting younger. And that’s tough to do seeing that he needs to trade Brown to get that Grandy type player. And no one will ever pull of another Swisher deal.

        So shut up Lee.

        • YankeeDave says:

          Can’t agree more. Philly has gone “all in” for the next year or two, then they will be stuck with old players and some hefty contracts to continue paying.

          One more word about Mr. Lee: He is an absolute putz for choosing the Phillies over the Yankees. Yes, it is his choice to play wherever he wants, whether it was a hankering for cheesesteaks or whatever, he had a right to choose. Here’s what I don’t get: the guy has a chance to be centerstage in the biggest rivalry in sports for the next 5+ years (think: national audience, sold out Yankee Stadium or Fenway), but noooooo, he’d rather pitch against the Marlins in front of 150 people on a Wednesday afternoon. Who cares if he goes 23-8 with a 2.65 ERA, he was afraid of the AL East and is there fore a bona fide PUTZ.

          • Zack says:

            Phillies probably have more true sell outs than the Yankees do. On paper, he has a easier road to the World Series with the Phillies; and has a better opportunity to be a good/great throughout his entire contract.

            • Urban says:

              Lee might want to give Greg Maddux a call. Maddux rejected more money from the Yankees because he thought the Braves had a better chance to compete year in and year out, and then watched the Yankees win four of five World Series titles.

              • Zack says:

                Maybe he called Giambi/Moose who took the highest big and didn’t win during their contracts.

                I hope the Phillies lose this year, but that Phillies were so overrated earlier this offseason (110+ wins easy) to now being underrated. They have Doc, Lee, Hamels and Oswalt – they could have a meh offense and still be the favorites heading into the playoffs.

                • Pat D says:

                  But as Bill James will tell you, historically great rotations have a tendency to lose in the postseason.

                  • JobaWockeeZ says:

                    Meh I’m not sure if they’re correlated. Maybe those teams had shit luck. Or maybe their offenses blow.

                    • Louis says:

                      So basically great rotations have had a tendency to have shit luck. Which is why Id take our rotation over the Phillies any day of the week.

                  • Honestly, there probably is not enough data to make that statement.

                    • Pat D says:

                      What I was referring to came from James’ New Historical Baseball Abstract. In his passage for Whitey Ford, he mentions the following as “a peculiar phenomenon,” which essentially means it’s something totally random and inexplicable.

                      He cited these teams as having what he called either “historically great” or “decade-best” starting rotations:
                      –1922 Yankees, best rotation of 1920′s, lost World Series 4-0-1 (yes, there was a tie game)
                      –1931 Philadelphia A’s, best rotation of 1930′s, lost World Series
                      –1954 Indians, best rotation of 1950′s, swept in World Series
                      –1963 Yankees, best rotation of 1960′s, swept in World Series
                      –1966 Dodgers, swept in World Series
                      –1971 Orioles, 4 20-game winners, second-best rotation of 1970′s, lost World Series in 7 games.
                      –1997 Braves, best rotation of last seventy years (through 2000), if not best of all time, lost in NLCS in six games to Marlins
                      –Only the 1985 Royals won the World Series with a decade-best starting rotation.

                      Those are all his words, not mine. Obviously it’s a small sample, and of course when you narrow it in this fashion, it’s meant to be small.

                      And again, as he said, it’s peculiar. I think we know a lot of stuff in baseball is random like this. For all we know, the Phillies this year could be just like the ’71 Orioles and have 4 guys win 20 games. And they could still very easily not win the World Series.

                • bexarama says:

                  I hope the Phillies lose this year, but that Phillies were so overrated earlier this offseason (110+ wins easy) to now being underrated.

                  This. When Chase Utley and Dom Brown were healthy, people were telling me they’d be lucky to win 90. WTF?

                • Urban says:

                  I’m not underrating the Phils. Just questioning Lee’s the truth of his words. I don’t think the age of the Yankees had anything to do with his decision. I also don’t think he would have stayed in Texas if the Phillies hadn’t stepped forward. He went where he wanted to go, and got the highest annual salary ever given a pitcher, even more than the Yankees offered.

                  • The Big City of Dreams says:

                    shhhhhhh don’t you know Cliff Lee left millions of dollars on the table. He’s basically playing for free.

            • bonestock94 says:

              I don’t buy that the Phillies have a better chance to win than the Yankees throughout his entire contract. Not for a second. Their window is not that big and their budget is more limited than the Yankees.

      • Monteroisdinero says:

        The triple A Iron Pigs were no match for our SWB Yanks.

      • Gonzo says:

        KLaw is very high on the Phils’ farm system.

    • Slugger27 says:

      thats a head-scratcher. outside jeter and arod, their oldest position player as far as i can tell is teixeira… and he’s 30 (31 soon)

      C, 1b, 2b, the entire outfield, the top 2 starters… all younger than cliff himself

      its most definitely a curious comment

    • Pasqua says:

      I’m thinking the age comment was pulled directly out of Cliff’s ass. I’m sure there are other reasons…maybe he was trying to be “nice.”

  6. bexarama says:

    Very, very sad about Igawa. He’s definitely in my thoughts.

    In other news, lol at Cliff Lee saying he didn’t want to come to the Yankees because they are older when he went to… Philly. I really don’t have some tremendous issue with him not coming here, I’m not gonna be crying about it every time he throws a good game, but check yo’self, Cliff.

    • S says:

      I look forward to seeing Montero smash, Robbie mash, the 3 B’s Killing, and Phil Hughes becoming the 2nd ace of staff next to CC, Brett the Jet stealing

      all the while the Phillies are slowly losing their best player (Utley) do to a very questionable knee, their other best player (Howard) is an overrated, strikeout machine, with crap defense, and the rest of the team is obviously going is either in decline (Rollins) or were never much offensively anyway (everyone else, except the injured Brown)

      They might have the best rotation, but they are losing that offensive edge and I look forward to them failing.

  7. Kit says:

    My thoughts and prayers go out to the Igawa family. Hope all of you on the West Coast and in Hawaii are staying safe.

  8. CBean says:

    Awful what’s happened in Japan. I hope Igawa’s family is safe. My thoughts are with him.

  9. Monteroisdinero says:

    So starters 2,3 and 4 for the Phillies were a combined 37-33 last year.


  10. Pat D says:

    As I said in the O/T thread earlier today, I’m sure that a few Yankees FO people are having a good laugh today with the Chuck Greenberg news.

    Good riddance to a complete and total idiot who clearly didn’t belong in the game.

    • Urban says:

      Totally. After the continuing stupid comments and his obsession with the Yankees, I was worried we were going to have to listen to him for the next couple of decades. I can only imagine how difficult he must be to work with if the Rangers kicked him out that quickly.

  11. Monteroisdinero says:

    Anybody see Kim Jones interviewing Phil today? He was happy to share his favorite tweet topic-the Tampa Bay Lightning. I think he now makes his home in Tampa and has moved out from mom & dad’s house in California. Not surprisingly, he was quick to add that he doesn’t talk baseball.

    • Accent Shallow says:

      Not surprisingly, he was quick to add that he doesn’t talk baseball.

      Rothschild: Hey Phil, I was hoping I could talk to you about maybe working on a two seamer . . .
      Hughes: Come on, Larry, you know I don’t talk baseball

      Seriously, what does that mean?

    • The Tampa Bay Lightning are awesome this year. Steven Stamkos is on pace to get his second 50-goal season before the age of 21.

      • Steve H says:

        Gretzky had 92 goals at 21. He’s insane.

        • Urban says:

          I was used to watch hockey when Gretzky came up because I had the sense I was watching the Babe Ruth of the sport, but it wasn’t the 1920s or ’30s, it was the 1980s and ’90s.

          As in baseball, scoring changes based on other conditions and that was a very offensive period, but there was no doubt he was the greatest ever. No one walks into a sport as a kid, already with the name “The Great Gretzky,” yet no one questioned it. He was.

  12. Jimmy says:

    Here’s hoping Igawa’s family is safe and sound. Some scary stuff over there in Japan.

  13. Urban says:

    Hopefully the lack of communication with the Igawa family is based more on the infrastructure problem in that part of Japan right now.

  14. Pat D says:

    I would like to take this opportunity to say that I couldn’t be happier with the impending NFL lockout.

    This is for a few reasons. Mainly it is due to the utter greed of the NFL owners. They’re worth billions of dollars as it is, they run an insanely popular sport/business and all they want is more. They want more money off the top, they want more games out of their players, they want to control every facet of the game.

    Now according to what I just read on, it sounds like maybe they were finally making some concessions, especially when it comes to paying benefits for retired players, but something tells me that they could do much more than they have. How many more times must we read stories about Mike Webster, Andre Waters and Dave Duerson before we start taking this issues just a tad more seriously? And of course with all the obvious risks out there, what do the owners want? Two more regular season games. Yep, they’re sure concerned with player safety, though.

    So I say bravo to the players for taking the steps to sue their masters. Hopefully they’ve got enough money to survive and make the owners sweat first. Because something tells me this is going to take a long, long, long time to be resolved.

  15. The Big City of Dreams says:

    Cliff Lee is now public enemy number 1 in Yankeeland

  16. Nogomo says:

    Got one useful snippet here: thanks to S for pointing out Hughes threw his change-up successfully today. That’ll help me sleep better tonight. I feel this may be his big year.

  17. NJYankeeFan says:

    Why doesn’t Cashman just release Igawa and let him go back to Japan to play ball? It’s obvious by now he has absolutely no role with the Yankees or any trade value whatsoever. It seems like Igawa is being punished for Cashman’s blunder.

    • mbonzo says:

      Pretty sure his salary ends up on the minor league payroll if they cut him. Which means they have to pay even more in luxury tax for that bust.

      • Louis says:

        Plus if there already paying him they may as well have him eat innings and take pressure off the younger kids arms. He dominates the minors.

        • Ryan says:

          what stats are you looking at? he BLEW last year in AAA

          • Louis says:

            Oh sorry I was going by his stats 2 years ago my bad. I probly shouldnt make blanked statements on a players performance before I checkthe stats 1st

        • NJYankeeFan says:

          Igawa is not even gonna be a starter with Scranton since the rotation will start out with Brackman, Noesi, Warren, Phelps and DJ Mitchell with Banuelos and Betances likely moving up sometime during the year. Igawa is gonna be a mop up man for them at this point.

      • mbonzo says:

        Oops meant major league payroll.

    • Steve H says:

      I think there is some belief that he wouldn’t be welcome back in Japan.

    • ZZ says:

      Igawa doesn’t want to go back to Japan.

      He got a green card last year and plans to keep trying to make it to the majors with some team even after his Yankee contract expires.

      • NJYankeeFan says:

        Good luck with that. If any team thought he could pitch in the bigs, I’m sure the Yankees would have given him away long ago.

        • Urban says:

          Not sure about that.

          The Yankees were able to get Igawa to the minors and off the 40-man roster, which means his contract is not calculated as part of the luxury tax. That would cost them another $1.6 million a year, and there would be no guarantee they could get him back off the 40-man and then back into the minors, so he has stayed there for the last several years.

          Igawa was fringy at best and no team wanted to absorb the $20 million he was owed, and the Yankees weren’t going to outright cut him, so they’ve used him to soak up innings in AAA.

          Igawa is a lefty and did have quite a bit of success in Japan. My guess is once he’s free from the Yankees, some NL team with a nice large ballpark (think the Padres and Petco) will give him an invite to see what he can do. Igawa will go for it, even a minimum, just to show that he wasn’t a AAA pitcher.

    • steve (different one) says:

      It seems like Igawa is being punished for Cashman’s blunder.

      He’s being “punished” by serving out his half of the contract he freely entered into? How so?

      He is perfectly welcome to retire, forfeit his salary, and then try to come back with another team.

      He doesn’t do that b/c he wants the money. That’s on him.

  18. NJYankeeFan says:

    He signed to pitch in the majors, not spend 4 years in AAA and become the worlds most expensive organizational player.
    He’s almost 32 and his performance seems to be regressing. It’s obvious he has no trade value and the Yankees have absolutely no plans to ever use him in the bigs.
    Just release him already and move on.

    • Urban says:

      Agreed. I can understand why they wouldn’t flat out cut him several years back when they still would have to pay him the $20 million, while he went off to pitch for some NL team. At this point in time, it’s clear he’ll never, ever pitch on the Yankees and he’s in his final year. Set him free.

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