Mar
25

Yanks trade Mitre to the Brewers

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Update (11:41am): The Yankees have received OF Chris Dickerson from the Brewers. He has one option remaining and is a legitimate center fielder (+15.7 UZR/150 but in a limited sample), so think of him as Curtis Granderson insurance should the oblique thing drag on. The soon-to-be 28-year-old was awful last season (.206/.250/.268, .242 wOBA in 106 PA), but he missed close to four months after having wrist surgery.

Dickerson hit .283/.383/.440 with 16 steals while with the Reds from 2008-2009 (421 PA), and is a .282/.382/.471 career hitter at the Triple-A level. So yeah, he has some on-base skills, plus he hits righties well (career .347 wOBA). Considering Mitre’s limited value and the fact that they were probably going to release him before Monday’s 45-day termination pay deadline, the Yankees actually made out really well in this swap.

Original Post (11:03am): That’s the word from Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com. Mitre was one of four pitchers competing for three roster spots, so this trade makes the situation clear. Ivan Nova, Bartolo Colon, and Freddy Garcia will all break camp with the team, though we’re not quite sure about the roles yet. Nova will be in the rotation, but it’s still unclear which of Colon and Garcia fills the fifth spot and which goes to the bullpen.

This also puts the Kevin Millwood signing into better perspective. He’s now essentially insurance in case something goes wrong with Colon or Garcia early in the season, when the young arms might not quite be ready.

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  • Rey22

    So Nova and Colon to the rotation, Garcia as the long man, and Millwood to AAA. Did I get that right?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joe Pawlikowski

      I can’t imagine it breaking any other way, unless the Yankees think that Colon plays better in the pen.

      • zs190

        Wouldn’t it seem like Colon is better for the pen? Better velocity and less stamina.

        • MannyGeee

          but consider the added cost of the reinforced bullpen bench for when CC, Bart AND Joba are sitting down out there…

          that’s gonna need a couple more screws…

          • pete

            please that won’t be that expensive.

            /brokensarcasmmeter’d

        • JU

          Yea, but were talking about a garbage time long reliever. They don’t need a shut down MR with their bullpen. Colon would prob be both the better SP and RP so u put him in the more important role and Garcia eat up innings in games that have already been lost.

    • Reggie C.

      Yep. That would be the best outcome. Colon has earned it with better ST starts.

      • whozat

        Disregarding the fact that Garcia pitched somewhat effectively in the bigs last year in favor of a couple of spring starts seems like flawed logic to me.

        • Reggie C.

          Yanks look like they’re going to ride the hot hand with that fifth spot. Right now, that hand is Colon.

          • Ted Nelson

            I think that’s pretty much speculation. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I think what they “look like” they’re going to do is a matter of opinion.

            • Dan M

              Keep in mind Girardi is prone to make changes quickly, so Colon is by no means a lock in the 5th spot. Freddy may get his shot sooner than you think. Especially if injuries creep in on the starters.

    • Jericho Spade

      I think the Yankees are worried about Colon’s fitness and may put him in the pen for that reason alone.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
    • Jimmy

      Great job. Now who do you like in the Louisiana Derby tomorrow?

      • http://myspace.com/bksmalls Smallz

        Quick Mike gimme the winning lotto numbers

  • Virginia Yank

    If true, this helps the Millwood signing make even more sense.

  • Reggie C.

    Greinke for Mitre… who woulda thunk it??

    • CBean

      heh. that would make Cash the best ninja in the universe.

  • goterpsgo

    At last our long national nightmare is over… Did we get Greinke? No? Rats…

  • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

    So…Gallardo and/or Braun, right?

    /headedfordisappointment’d

    • It’sATrap

      No man Grienke! Cashman changed his mind.

  • Yank the Frank

    Bernie Brewer even up!

    • rbizzler

      Only if he brings his old slide where he landed in a tankard of beer.

      • Yank the Frank

        Now we can have him slide out into the Bleacher Creatures when the opposition homers and have the crap beat out of him. It’s a New York thing.

        • rbizzler

          My vote is to combine ideas and have him slide into a tankard of beer surrounded by the Creatures.

          • Yank the Frank

            I don’t think there would be much beer left…

            • http://myspace.com/bksmalls Smallz

              I vote the Green Monster instead. But do all those things.

  • Evan

    The Experience is over bring on the 2003 All-Stars.

  • Yankeegirl49

    “We still don’t know what the Yankees will receive from the Brewers, but it doesn’t figure to be anything significant.”

    I dunno..some might consider a case of beer from Milwaukee significant.

    • YanksFan77

      It’d take at least a pony keg of The Beast.

  • ADam

    Let the great Debate Begin…. Garcia/Colon who should be the starter and who belongs in the Pen.. Its Joba V Hughes v2.0…

  • http://dontbringinthelefty.blogspot.com Lucas Apostoleris

    I’m gonna miss the Experience.

  • RJ

    This is their best move all spring. Girardi had some strange infatuation with using him and it never ended well, I’m thrilled he is gone.

    • Sayid J.

      Except that Mitre had a 3.33 ERA last year, so it clearly ended well a bunch of times. More often than not, actually.

    • Ted Nelson

      I don’t think that’s fair to say “Girardi had some strange infatuation with using him.” Girardi had the chance to use him over Moseley, Javy, Burnett, or Nova at various times last season and declined (granted, I am not privy to who specifically made those calls between he and Cashman and everyone else… but I assume others aren’t really either). He also had the chance to actually use him in higher leverage relief innings and again declined. I think it was more a case of him being the least bad option than anything. Came down to Mitre, Romulo Sanchez, Hirsh, Redding, etc. basically at times in 2010 and the Yankees went with Mitre. He was probably better than those guys anyway, but especially considering that maybe he could recapture 2007 glory.

      And as Sayid points out, he did well as the long-man last season really. No complaints here.

      • Stuckey

        Wait, the Yankees traded Mitre and signed Kevin Millwood, who is not ML ready to start the season, for minor league depth.

        Does this mean the Yankees have been committed to given Ivan Nova a rotation spot all along?

        Oh my, what an unexpected development…

        • Ted Nelson

          No, I don’t think it does. I don’t think they decided before camp that he “deserved” a spot on the roster based on having “earned” a spot with his mediocre minor league career and decent showing in MLB in 2010, or out of some notion that not letting a mediocre prospect have a starting spot on your MLB roster sets your whole farm system back in some intangible way. Those were your arguments, and I still disagree.

          If he had come into camp and they didn’t like what they saw in terms of improvement from last season, etc. then I don’t think he’d have gotten a spot if there were two or three better pitchers in camp.

          The season also hasn’t started yet. At this point I agree that Nova is likely to open the season in the rotation, but it’s certainly possible he doesn’t.

          • Ted Nelson

            And I also think there is still some validity to the “depth argument” you so thoroughly reject, when it is considered in this context.

            • Stuckey

              You’re now projecting MY opinion onto the Yankees.

              Instead of just acknowledging I was right, you’re playing the “I wasn’t right for the right reasons” game.

              All I ever said about the Yankees was that is was clear they were committed to Nova being in the rotation. This will prove accurate.

              Apparently this was clear to a moron but not to you. You might want to consider that for a moment.

              The reasons I gave for why *I* thought he should get the rotation spot were my own.

              There is a nuanced difference between the 2 things you’re trying to conjoin incorrectly.

              But believe me, I look forward to continuing to discuss how I wasn’t right and you weren’t wrong in regards to an issue in which I was right and you were wrong.

              • Ted Nelson

                “All I ever said about the Yankees was that is was clear they were committed to Nova being in the rotation.”

                No. You spent an entire day arguing all sorts of points. Mostly that you knew what the Yankees were thinking, that Nova came into camp with a job already locked up, that not promoting every prospect who performs reasonably well at AAA to MLB has a negative impact on the system as a whole, and that people were advocating never promoting prospects and always going with retreads. You were just not convincing. When people pointed that out, you got mad and were still not convincing.

                “you’re playing the “I wasn’t right for the right reasons” game.”

                It’s 100% about the reasons. There were 3 real candidates for 2 jobs. Nova was pitching better in spring training than the other two. Guessing Nova wasn’t some sort of great call. Everyone was saying Nova was a likely candidate, it was only you who kept insisting that he was a lock before ST even started based on having “earned” it/you know what the Yankees think better than other fans do based on the same information and saying there was no logic behind an argument (the depth one) that clearly had some logic to it under the right circumstances. It was never about me disagreeing with your conclusions. It was about me disagreeing with your hardline approach and the reasoning you gave for your conclusions.

                “The reasons I gave for why *I* thought he should get the rotation spot were my own.”

                You gave no explanation the whole day. All you kept saying was that you knew he’d earned a spot. “I’m right because I’m right” is just not a valid argument in an anonymous forum like this.

              • Stuckey

                “No. You spent an entire day arguing all sorts of points.”

                Yes, WITH you. And since they are a matter of public record, instead of playing the accusation game, why not please quote me in regards to me explaining the Yankees thinking specifically..?

                “Mostly that you knew what the Yankees were thinking, that Nova came into camp with a job already locked up.”

                I said he came into camp with a job to lose and he didn’t lose it.

                You realize you’re bringing up something I was right about as rebuttal, don’t you?

                “You were just not convincing. When people pointed that out, you got mad and were still not convincing.”

                You’re projecting. I am not the one admonished by the moderators for their behavior, that was you.

                As to whether I was “convincing”, isn’t that somewhat irrelevant at this point?

                “There were 3 real candidates for 2 jobs. Nova was pitching better in spring training than the other two. Guessing Nova wasn’t some sort of great call.”

                Indeed it was NOT some great call. It was in fact a perfectly obvious one.

                The question is, how was it not obvious to you, who stridently argued he should be sent to AAA and that the Yankees intention in regards to their 3 to 2 decisions were not already clear?

                That’s what we’re discussing. If I haven’t made myself clear, let me:

                Knowing Nova was essentially IN the rotation unless he imploded was a simple, straightforward, quite obvious deduction. So simple in fact, a “moron” was able to see it.

                But YOU did not.

                “…and saying there was no logic behind an argument (the depth one) that clearly had some logic to it under the right circumstances.”

                Never said it had NO logic, just inferior logic.

                “I’m right because I’m right” is just not a valid argument in an anonymous forum like this.”

                I’ll do you one better. “I’m right” is indeed NOT an argument.

                It’s a fact.

                But again, I will look forward to seeing your contortionist act as to how somehow you were more right than the guy who was actually right.

                • Ted Nelson

                  I still feel the same way about you as a commenter, and the fact that Mike Axisa disagree with my comment or found it distasteful (with all due respect to him and this site) doesn’t change my opinion of you.

                  I am not going to go back and quote you. If you would like to prove to me that I am wrong, please feel free to quote yourself. You will find, however, that you did take all the stances I mention. Perhaps that was not your intent, but then you need to choose your words more carefully. I can’t read your thoughts–though apparently you can read the Yankees–only your words.

                  Right. It’s a fact. You know everything. You know what the Yankees are thinking. No one else has a clue. You are the great mind reader and every other Yankee fan is not. You know that Nova is great. Good for you. I don’t care.

                  “The question is, how was it not obvious to you, who stridently argued he should be sent to AAA and that the Yankees intention in regards to their 3 to 2 decisions were not already clear?”

                  Here is why I feel the way I do about you as a commenter on this site. I never once said that. Not once. Not in my life. You were so dead set on arguing that Nova had a job locked up that you never bothered to read my comments.

                  And again, how do you know the Yankees intentions before they announce them? You do not… you were just speculating.

                  • Stuckey

                    “Right. It’s a fact. You know everything. You know what the Yankees are thinking. No one else has a clue. You are the great mind reader and every other Yankee fan is not. You know that Nova is great. Good for you. I don’t care.””

                    I’ll repeat myself.

                    Nova having a rotation spot to lose and him obviously doing nothing to lose it should have been obvious.

                    If you’d like to try to misrepresent me as giving credit to myself for recognizing the obvious, please do.

                    Again, the takeaway here is YOU were wrong and you’re doing all manners of dancing to avoid acknowledging your misjudgment.

                    “And again, how do you know the Yankees intentions before they announce them? You do not… you were just speculating.”

                    Because the Yankees made them clear. You apparently are just not perceptive enough to notice.

                    I’ll repeat msyself…

                    I look forward to continuing to discuss how I wasn’t right and you weren’t wrong in regards to an issue in which I was right and you were wrong.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Again, the issue was not whether Nova was going to open the season in the starting rotation. I never said that he should not, you are making that up.

                      The issues were whether he came into camp with a spot locked up, and whether or not it would be a mistake to not open with him in the rotation.
                      On the first count… You said he did, I said he didn’t. You just can’t prove who is right or wrong there. I’m not dancing or whatever else there. Closest you could come would be a statement by the team… that’s quite convincing but even then there’s the politics of a Bubba Crosby in CF/Nick Swisher at 1B statement… the later certainly could have come to fruition if Tex had spurned the Yankees offer… wouldn’t necessarily have meant that was their Plan A. There was no such announcement anyway.
                      On the second count… Again there’s no proof which is a better strategy.

                      AND the season hasn’t started. If Nova doesn’t open the season in the rotation… you’re wrong. How about that? Again you’re already decided what’s going to happen before it happens.

                      As I said last time, you don’t seem to appreciate the nuances of arguments.

                    • Stuckey

                      “Again, the issue was not whether Nova was going to open the season in the starting rotation. I never said that he should not, you are making that up.”

                      You can add layer and layer of qualification to make it seems like you never actually advocate anything, only exploring scenarios, but you clearly were an advocate given what we knew the day of the discussion (after the no-hit inning, btw, and he hasn’t pitched since) that Nova should start in AAA.

                      Since the choices were then and still are Nova, Colon, and Garcia, I’ll ask directly.

                      Should Nova start this season in Scranton to provide rotation depth? Yes or no?

                      If yes, what has changed since our last discussion?

                      “On the first count… You said he did, I said he didn’t. You just can’t prove who is right or wrong there.”

                      You’re more than invited to keep going down this road if you like.

                      NOTHING has happened between now and the day we discussed this to change the equation, other than trading Mitre which just supports the notion that Nova was a lock.

                      You like logic, follow this:

                      Yankees didn’t have to trade Mitre to keep Colon AND Garcia. Nova could be optioned.

                      They traded Mitre so Garcia and Colon could both be retained, because Nova IS a lock.

                      Do you agree or disagree with the nuance of this logic?

                      “AND the season hasn’t started. If Nova doesn’t open the season in the rotation… you’re wrong. How about that?”

                      100% agreed. Of the two of us, I’m absolutely willing to take a stand on the record.

                      I’ll even do you one better. #4 WILL be Nova, #5 WILL be Garcia.

                      You willing to take any sort of definitive stand? Or do you just like to promote the quality of your logic in a vacuum of consequence?

                      “As I said last time, you don’t seem to appreciate the nuances of arguments.”

                      And as I said at the time, you seem unable to grasp the notion that someone fully understands you and still thinks you’re wrong.

                      This tactic that anyone who doesn’t agree with you doesn’t understand the level of your argument is a common on discussion forums.

                      Nova will not start in AAA. Yankees TRADED away capable ML pitching, they’ve divested themselves of it, whereas you argued they’d seek to stash it.

                      Are you honestly still refusing to acknowledge the NY Yankees are NOT following your logic, are in fact, acting in a different direction?

                    • Ted Nelson

                      “but you clearly were an advocate given what we knew the day of the discussion (after the no-hit inning, btw, and he hasn’t pitched since) that Nova should start in AAA.”

                      That is just not true.

                      “Of the two of us, I’m absolutely willing to take a stand on the record.”

                      I’m not sure why you consider talking about future events over which you have zero control and incomplete information as if they are certainties to be a good thing…

                      “You willing to take any sort of definitive stand? Or do you just like to promote the quality of your logic in a vacuum of consequence?”

                      If I worked for the Yankees? Sure. If I saw these guys pitch all the time, had access to tons of tape, the opinions of scouts and coaches, knew what they were working on in spring training, etc.? Sure. I don’t, so no I don’t feel it’s necessary to take a definitive stand. I find it ignorant that you do.

                      “you seem unable to grasp the notion that someone fully understands you and still thinks you’re wrong.”

                      Clearly if you think I said Nova *should be* in AAA to start the season, you did not understand me. That has been my point all along. You don’t understand me. I was merely trying to explain the depth argument which you seemed unable to grasp to you.

                      “whereas you argued they’d seek to stash it.”

                      No. For the ten thousandth time: I did not argue this. You accuse me of misrepresenting your arguments without quotes and then you put words into my mouth???
                      I argued that it can be a valid strategy. You kept insisting it is never a valid strategy in general terms. I disagreed and told you as much. You kept telling me I was wrong without explaining yourself. Learn how to write and maybe we won’t have these misunderstandings in the future.

                    • bakekrukow412

                      Yikes. Ted needs to change his last name to Bundy, and Stuckey change his name to Spunky. This thread seriously made my day.

  • Januz

    If we could get a bag of balls, an autographed photo of Billy Brewer, and a keg of beer for Mitre, it is better than releasing him, and giving him 45 days termination pay.
    Since Garcia became willing to go into the pen (Unlike before), it makes it easier to keep him & Colon (Nova is a given), with Millwood waiting in the wings. I like the job Cashman did, getting rid of Mitre, and waiting out Millwood, and getting him to agree to a minor league contract.

    • Jericho Spade

      You’re right, if this was Boston circa 2009 offseason we would be hailed as having probably a better offseason, based on our low risk signings. If only they were Smoltz and Penny, shucks!

      It’s interesting how the situations are almost completely parallel, yet two wildly different results.
      08′ Yanks injured, older, 3rd place finish- offseason sign Tex, Burnett, CC for big money.

      10′ Boston injured, older, 3rd place finish- offseason sign/trade Adrian G, Crawford, revamp bullpen.

      Boston is hailed as being savvy, smart, when the Yanks did it they were ruining baseball. Amazing.

      • Ted Nelson

        And hopefully the actual results in the standings will be totally different too!

        • Dale Mohorcic

          Be honest. How many people do you know that you would trade for a keg of beer? I can think of hundreds.

  • Chris

    Heard the Yanks are getting Pat Listach in return. Former ROY!!!

  • http://www.twitter.com/vscafuto Vinny Scafuto

    I guess even Sergio Mitre could fail the “Better than Mitre” test. Go figure!

    • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      I think we should keep the Better Than Mitre test, btw. It can be Sergio’s pinstripe legacy.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_MandAura Steve H

        It’s the modern day Mendoza Line.

        • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Ha, totally.

          • MannyGeee

            done and done… ‘The Mitre Test’

  • Justin

    So. One year ago we had Moseley, Mitre, Gaudin, and Park.

    This year our long man will be someone who could theoretically step in and throw a good start without it being a miracle, and if injuries/effectiveness lag, we bring in youth, as we should.

    I like this much more than relying on that pack of jokers. Seemed like nice people, but it’s not their job to be nice.

    • http://myspace.com/bksmalls Smallz

      Chan Ho Park made me rip my hair out of my head everytime he stepped on the mound.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Holy shit, Chris Dickerson’s actually good.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Actually, useful is more like it.

      • A.D.

        Brings back the memories of the various Harang + a OF scenarios of yesteryear

      • Mister Delaware

        Same reaction. “Really? He actually has talent.”

    • SamVa

      Scouting report? and maybe where he fits in with the team?

      • rbizzler

        My guess is that he starts in SWB and serves as OF depth. Or if Grandy starts the year on the DL, he could actually break camp with the big club.

        My bastardized scouting report (without looking at some numbers) is that he is a capable defender who also has some pop.

      • Am I the only Kevin?

        A Colin Curtis type bat, but with legit CF defense. In short, a prototype #4 outfielder.

    • Thomas
      • http://procrastinationperfected.tumblr.com/ BigDavey88

        I lolz’d.

  • A.D.

    I will miss the Mitre, similar to how I will miss Reegie Corona when he’s booted from the 40 man, need to have that whipping boy

    Dickerson plug into the ML team right away as the back-up OF and provide some insurance with Granderson banged up?

  • SamVa

    So where does Dickerson fit in?

    So confused.

    AAA?

    • A.D.

      Presumably 4th OF, can play all 3 positions and is suppose to be a pretty good defender, has had some decent stretched of hitting in the majors…just not last year

      • Ted Nelson

        Over Andruw Jones, or with Granderson out?

        • A.D.

          With Grandy out, Jones/Dickerson are a nice Lefty-Righty tandom

  • http://www.twitter.com/vscafuto Vinny Scafuto

    I guess we have to make a “Better than Golson” test for the outfield, if Grandy starts the season on the DL. Does Dickerson pass that test?

  • Rey22

    So who’s better, Dickerson or Maxwell?

    • SamVa

      this.

      and upside?

      • Thomas

        Seems like Maxwell has more upside, but Dickerson is a better bet to be a solid 4th/5th OF this year.

  • A.D.

    I believe Dickerson also has some stolen base ability, not Brett Gardner but can swipe some bags

  • SamVa

    Random comment that has no base whatsoever.

    Could this be the precursor to acquiring a pitcher?

    I really don’t see where he fits in bench wise. He’s not > Andruw Jones.

    And we have Maxwell, Parrez, and Golson in AAA.

    Does he have the kind of value that a team would want him as maybe like a 3rd piece in a trade?

    • A.D.

      He was traded for Sergio Mitre I think that shows the value he has.

      He’s better suited to be in ML right now then Maxwell & Co. and he was someone they were actually willing to give up for Mitre

    • Peter R

      We got a pitcher…but his name is Millwood unfortunately. Not sure there is anything else of the “Better than Kevin Millwood” (the new saying) variety out there waiting to be traded for right now. Lets not forget, every team is still in it before April (well besides the Pirates of course).

      I expect more to open up when some teams (and more importantly fans) throw in the towel by the end of May.

    • Ted Nelson

      Certainly possible, though I’m more inclined to believe it might have just been the most valuable piece the Brewers were offering. Their farm system stinks right now, so they may not have been willing or able to offer a low-minors guy with upside like the Yankees got in Scottie Allen from the DBacks. Or perhaps they did offer some guys like Allen, but the Yankees preferred Dickerson.

      I like him as injury and Andruw Jones insurance (and Brett Gardner insurance too really) more so than Golson certainly and probably Maxwell and Parraz too… if nothing else he’s there as an option along with those others.

      (An actually crazy theory could be that the Yankees are close to dealing a starting OF for a pitcher and therefore acquired Dickerson to platoon with Jones or something…)

  • paul

    just glad they go something for mitre…i liked the idea of colon and garcia starting out at 4th and 5th and let Nova throw at AAA for a stretch…but then ol Nova goes and throws 6 no hit ball…goin to be interesting…I am pumped to see Nova throw tonight over in Tampa…hope he goes ligths out again…

  • Jobu

    What happens to Dickerson last year? His numbers look good with the Reds. Was he injured? Did he decide to take up heavy drinking and drugs or what?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Missed close to four months due to wrist surgery.

  • MannyGeee

    so where does Mitre fit in Mil? just sorta what he was here? spot start/ low leverage/ long reliever?

    obviously not a starter…

    • whozat

      Probably back end starter. They have marcum and grienke on the shelf to start the year, so they need someone tolerable for a month, really.

      • RL

        Yeah, and watch, he’ll be lights out for them!

  • mike_h

    I’m thinking at this point Granderson is on the DL to start, either Maxwell or Dickerson is the 4th and Jones moves to LF with Gardner in CF.

    Eventually I think Golson gets reduced play time in AAA and is part of some sort of package mid season. Either that or Golson get equal playing time considering Colin Curtis has a bum shoulder from his ST catch

  • Cy Pettitte

    flip one of these extra CFers for Kawakami? I’d prefer him over Millwood for depth

    • Jess

      They are likely to give you the same production in the AL East and Millwood doesn’t cost you a player or $6-7 million in salary.