Jun
23

Open Thread: The Giambino Returns

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It’s been three years since the Yankees parted ways with Jason Giambi, but he’s coming back to the Bronx this weekend as a visiting player with the Rockies. Yeah, he came to Yankee Stadium with the A’s in 2009, but I think it’ll be little different now since some time has passed. Giambi hit .260/.404/.521 as a Yankee and is hitting .262/.361/.639 this year, and he’ll be Colorado’s designated hitter during the three game series. He was a big time personal fave, so I’m looking forward to seeing him one last time. I miss the taters.

Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. Very light baseball schedule today, though MLB Network is carrying a game (teams depend on where you live). That’s pretty much it, but use this thread to talk about whatever you want. Go nuts.

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  1. Ivan says:

    Well how many of you will be viewing the NBA draft.

  2. mike c says:

    I remember when I told my girlfriend about giambi’s leopard print thong… she was like “EWWWWW! him???”

  3. Avi says:

    Mark Melancon is another example of a prospect that the Yanks were too conservative with promoting. Most teams would’ve had him pitching in the majors in ’09 (all year) and an argument could be made that he was “bored” in triple A in 2010.

  4. I promise to send a lovely fruit basket to the GM of the Bobcats, Kings, Jazz, Suns, or Pacers after one of those lovely individuals selects Jimmer Fredette tonight before the #17 pick comes up, thus preventing the Knicks from making one of the biggest mistakes they could make.

    I’m counting on you boys. Save us from ourselves.

  5. Kiersten says:

    Giambi hit .260/.404/.521 as a Yankee

    My memory/public perception suggests he hit more like .250/.330/.410.

    • Slugger27 says:

      the batting avg is what surprises me most. i remember him hovering around 240 seemingly every single season. i guess taht 2002 season boosted it.

      by the way, color me surprised giambis rockin a 1000 OPS in 2011. i dont care about the sample size, im impressed.

    • Steve S. says:

      He was great early, and somewhere between horrendous and decent for 4 of the last 5 years of the 7 year deal. The Yanks lost their shirts on that contract. So your perception isn’t wrong, you just picked him up late.

  6. The Nets are still fucked, aren’t they?

  7. Ivan says:

    Bill Simmons had a very interesting and quite funny thought of the NBA draft.

    He said that if he was running Cle, he would draft Derrick Williams, basically forcing Minnesota to have the trade the pick (to Utah since they need a PG and they take Irving), then screwing up everybody’s draft boards. Then at the 4th pick, Cle pick Knight as thier Point Guard.

    To be honest, that would be ballsy on Cle part, but hey somewhere along the lines, something is going to screw up that plan.

    • Pat D says:

      That’s just because he wants to see chaos. But it also sounds like he thinks Cleveland would want to intentionally screw with Minnesota. But why would Cleveland do that? Did Minnesota run over their dog?

      • Ivan says:

        So Bill Simmons = The Joker

        Nevertheless, I mean if you really think about it, whats the difference between Irving and Knight? I mean the difference is minimal and Williams might still be the best player coming out of this draft.

        It’s crazy but I wouldn’t go and say stupid.

  8. Pat D says:

    How ’bout Jim Riggleman, eh?

    David Schoenfield said he won’t get another managerial job. I’m inclined to agree.

    • He’ll get another one, but he won’t like the options.

    • JohnnyC says:

      Unless Riggleman already has an iron in the fire, that was a stupid move on his part.

    • Steve S. says:

      Will never work again. If you were an owner, would you hire a guy who walks out on a contract in the middle of a season? In the middle of a winning streak, no less.

      From the Nats perspective, nothing had changed. He wanted them to pick up the extension, they said they don’t discuss such things in season, and he quit. If not having 2012 guartanteed was such a problem, be a professional and tell them last off season so they can hire someone else.

  9. Esteban says:

    Ron Artest is changing his name to Metta World Peace. OK.

  10. Kevin G. says:

    Would you rather have Irving or DWill2?

  11. Roger says:

    I was at Coors field when he took Papplebon deep for a walk off last summer. What a joy that moment was. Love the Beast!

  12. jon says:

    if anyones bored you TMC is playing the natural, you can catch the end

    god i love that scene

  13. Jimmy McNulty says:

    So the other day I was wondering who was each franchise’s greatest player, off the top of my head something like this:

    Yankees: Babe Ruth
    Red Sox: Ted Williams
    Rays: Carl Crawford
    Orioles: Cal Ripken Jr. (a strong argument could be made for Frank Robinson)
    Blue Jays: Roy Halladay

    Indians: Bob Feller (argument for Speaker, but he spent too much time with a different franchise)
    Tigers: Ty Cobb
    White Sox: Frank Thomas
    Twins: Harmon Killebrew
    Royals: George Brett

    Angels: Nolan Ryan
    Mariners: Ichiro Suzuki (argument could be made for Edgar Martinez, and maybe Felix in a few years)
    Athletics:Rickey Henderson
    Rangers: Michael Young

    Phillies: Mike Schmidt
    Mets: Tom Seaver
    Marlins: Wow, I guess I’d say Miguel Cabrera or Hanley Ramirez
    Braves: Hank Aaron
    Nationals: Ooooh, with the Senators it’s easily Walter Johnson

    Cardinals: Stan Musial
    Reds: Joe Morgan
    Brewers: Paul Molitor
    Astros: Bagwell or Biggio
    Pirates: Honus Wagner
    Cubs: Ernie Banks

    Diamondbacks: Randy Johnson
    Giants: Barry Bonds
    Rockies: Todd Helton
    Dodgers: Sandy Koufax
    Padres: Tony Gwynn

    • jon says:

      Mariners use to have this short stop i forget his name but he was pretty good

      A something

    • Greg says:

      I’d argue Johnny Bench for the Reds,

    • Greg says:

      I would consider Robin Yount for the Brewers because Molitor left.

    • first time lawng time says:

      Mariners: Ichiro, Felix, or Griffey Jr.

      Rangers: I’d go with Arod

      Unless you have a set limit on the number of years the player had with the team.

    • Pat D says:

      The Nationals aren’t the Senators. The 1st Senators are the Twins, the 2nd Senators are the Rangers.

      The Nationals are the Expos, so pick between Carter, Raines, Dawson and maybe Staub.

      Definitely Yount for the Brewers and Bench for the Reds. I’d consider Jackie, the Duke or Campy for the Dodgers as well.

      Ripken’s definitely the right pick for the Orioles, Frank wasn’t there long enough. Jimmie Foxx and Lefty Grove could also be considered for the A’s. Walter Johnson could be the Twins’ pick, but I see what you were going for there. Nolan Ryan doesn’t seem right for the Angels, but they’ve had so few great players. Frank Thomas doesn’t seem right for the White Sox either, but, yea, not sure if I’d go with Luke Appling or Eddie Collins (since he played elsewhere) ahead of The Big Hurt.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        As far as the As, Foxx left and so did Grove. I guess Rickey did too, still, he’s an extremely underrated all time player, I’d easily put him in the top 15 or so all time. I think he’s better than A-Rod.

        The White Sox? Meh…I dunno, there I saw Thomas and he was fucking awesome in his prime. Best hitter since Ted Williams is what most people said…incredible bat. He was a rich man’s Miguel Cabrera.

        Nationals…yeah, Washington baseball’s been a mess for a while, so I felt bad for them and gave them the Big Train.

        Bench over Morgan? Perhaps, it’s kinda subjective sort of a best player/face of the franchise, sort of thing…check Joe Morgan’s 75-76 stats. Morgan’s best years were better than Mays’ best years.

        • Pat D says:

          Morgan’s not a “bad” pick, but he played substantially for other teams, too. Bench was a career Red. If I’m picking “face of the franchise,” Bench qualifies better than Morgan, to me.

          Foxx and Grove didn’t leave so much as they were sold off by Connie Mack. But Rickey’s a good pick, too.

          What would be an interesting thing to do would be to consider franchises that have moved separately. But, at the same time, it would be quite hard to come up with good players for the St. Louis Browns or Kansas City Athletics. And that’s not even considering the Seattle Pilots.

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            Yeah, you’re right. I keep forgetting that Bench was a career red, it’s arguable who’s the better player anyways. The Career Red tips it in his favor.

            • Yan says:

              Pete Rose is banned from baseball AND from this thread?

              • Jimmy McNulty says:

                Rose just played FOREVER probably costing his team wins during his pursuit of the hits record.

                • Yan says:

                  I dont know, I do not think its even close. No dis on Bench off course, the best catcher maybe ever, but Charlie Hustle is a franchise Red. He also won a few games for the Reds in his day. Maybe Bench, but to consider Morgan over Rose is a little pushing it.

              • Pat D says:

                Pete Rose is one of the most overrated players in baseball history. He was a glorified singles hitter (yes I know he hit plenty of doubles) with negative defensive value.

                • Yan says:

                  Oh, we talking power hitters, my bad.

                  • Pat D says:

                    No, I’m saying that Rose wasn’t as good or as valuable as everyone seems to think he was.

                    • Yan says:

                      Morgan WAR (Cin 8 years) 61.3 or 7.66/ 8 AS, 0 MVP,
                      Bench WAR (Cin 17 years) 71.3 or 4.19/ 14 AS, 2 MVP, ROY
                      Rose WAR (Cin 19 years) 74.6 or 3.92/ 13 AS, 1 MVP, ROY

                      Rose is an icon in Cincinnati. Native Cinci kid, blue collar, they named a street running across downtown Pete Rose way. There is a Ruthian like obsession with Rose in Cinci, but I dont know if it qualifies as a frenchise player. Bench and Morgan stats speak for themselves, but Rose was no scrub.

                    • Pat D says:

                      Uhhhhhhhh….Morgan won the MVP in ’75 and ’76. Try again.

    • The BIG 3 says:

      Hard to understand what you’re criteria is, but I’ll take Delgado anyway, and Robinson easily. Gonzalez over Young.. probably a couple of others too. I’m bored.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Delgado over who? Robinson over Koufax? Meh…Koufax was pretty damn great in his prime. Juan Gone over Young? Meh…Juan Gone’s got the roids and the whole unlikable asshole thing going on. What’s the criteria? Ehh…I dunno. Sort of a mix of best player, face of the franchise, had the best seasons with the team, etc. I’m bored too…have some fun with it!

        Thinking about Jeter, Helton, Ichiro, and Young leading their respective franchises in hits got me thinking who was each franchise’s greatest player and how many of them we’ve had the opportunity to see personally.

    • Thomas Cassidy says:

      Red Sox best player is Ted Williams. Fuck him, he doesn’t have anything on Casey Kelley. I don’t care if he was traded, he would have been the most dominant pitcher of all time. Now he will have to do it on the Padres.

      Athletics- Rickey Henderson? NO. Bobby Crosby.

      Gammons’d.

    • DCBX says:

      My changes in bold:

      Yankees: Babe Ruth
      Red Sox: Ted Williams
      Rays: Carl Crawford
      Orioles: Cal Ripken Jr. (a strong argument could be made for Frank Robinson)
      Blue Jays: Roy Halladay

      Indians: Bob Feller (argument for Speaker, but he spent too much time with a different franchise)
      Tigers: Ty Cobb
      White Sox: Frank Thomas
      Twins: Rod Carew
      Royals: George Brett

      Angels: Nolan Ryan
      Mariners: Jr. Griffey C’mon son!
      Athletics: Jimmie Foxx
      Rangers: Michael Young

      Phillies: Mike Schmidt
      Mets: Tom Seaver
      Marlins: Wow, I guess I’d say Miguel Cabrera or Hanley Ramirez
      Braves: Hank Aaron
      Nationals: Ooooh, with the Senators it’s easily Walter Johnson but since this is the Expos: Gary Carter.

      Cardinals: Stan Musial
      Reds: Gotta go with Charlie Hustle here
      Brewers: Paul Molitor
      Astros: Bagwell or Biggio
      Pirates: Honus Wagner
      Cubs: Ernie Banks

      Diamondbacks: Randy Johnson
      Giants: Willie Mays!
      Rockies: Todd Helton
      Dodgers: Sandy Koufax
      Padres: Tony Gwynn

    • CS Yankee says:

      Good list, my exceptions;
      O’s…Brooks
      M’s…Junior
      A’s…Reggie or Vida
      Marlins…JJ (in 5 years) or Pudge (only cause of ring)
      Reds…Bench
      Brewers…Yount
      Astros…Scott or Ryan
      Giants…Willie McCovey (pre-roids)
      Rox…Tulo (in 7 years)

    • Kosmo says:

      Johnny come lately-
      Willie Mays over Bonds
      Reggie over Rickey
      Brooks Robinson over Ripken
      Ripken has prettier numbers but Brooks was the greatest defensive player at his position in the history of the game.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Honus Wagner over Roberto Clemente huh… hater

      /PuertoRicanStereotyped’d

  14. Colin says:

    Anybody remember this game: http://www.baseball-reference......6130.shtml ?

    Matsui-Lofton back to back with 2 outs in the 9th to tie it and come back win in the 12th.

    Awesome game, for some reason the Giambi highlight made me think of that game.

  15. Jerome S. says:

    Following all y’all on Pick Six. kinda creepy, but meh.

  16. Esteban says:

    “Rolling in the Deep” needs to never be played ever again. Holy shit, every single radio station on earth played that song 2 months ago and now ESPN is polluting the draft broadcast with it. I liked that song when I first heard it (I like the John Legend cover better ) but JUST GO AWAY ADELE.

    • Jose the Satirist says:

      You must be new to pop radio.

      • Esteban says:

        Haha, I know, I know, I shouldn’t be surprised that radio plays out a song, but WTF is ESPN using it now?

        • first time lawng time says:

          ESPN is trying to be hip.

          You know speaking of “hip”,
          “Derek Jeter is very hip, if I may use that young term. In fact, I think he’s one of the hippest players in baseball.” –Tim McCarver

    • first time lawng time says:

      Music in general today is just awful.

      I still don’t see how Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, and Ke$ha have careers with no raw talent and no good looks.

        • first time lawng time says:

          Alright, you’re a guy. But still, you have to admit, she is not pretty. Especially that bright pink lipstick. What the hell is that? Ugh I can’t stand her.

          All these singers rely on autotune, which destroyed music BTW.

          What is appealing about their music? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

      • Xstar7 says:

        THIS. R.I.P Biggie and Tupac

        • first time lawng time says:

          I was alluding to old shool Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys, but you know whatever works for you is fine with me.

          • Esteban says:

            LOL, old school Britney Spears was just bad pop music like today. Backstreet Boys the same.

            • first time lawng time says:

              It least they had raw talent and didn’t rely on the autotune. “I Want it That Way” is a classic.

              Also, Spears has totally gone down hill, in terms of music. The “oops I did it Again” and “Baby one more time” transitioned into “Toxic” and “Outrageous.”. Now that I’m okay with. But “Three” and “If you Seek Amy” are just crap, IMO.

              ****BTW this post probably only applies to people who like(d) pop music.

              • bexarama says:

                I’m pretty sure Britney Spears had about 0 actual talent. She could dance, that’s about it.

                • Pat D says:

                  That’s dancing?

                  • Jimmy McNulty says:

                    Yeah, the dance adds something to the music. I can’t even listen to the Party Rock Anthem breakdown without thinking of the awesome breakdancing. What Britney DID was hard, now she’s pretty out of shape and old…got a lot of wear and tear on that body.

                  • first time lawng time says:

                    Technically. It’s actually a typical workout routine on the Flirty Girl Fitness DVD. If you call now, you get your very own Flirty Girl Fitness poke for only $1.00!!

                    No I am not making this up. Google it. I swear it exists.

                • Jimmy McNulty says:

                  To top it off, neither her nor the Backstreet Boys wrote their own music. Something that Godga does.

                  • first time lawng time says:

                    Yeah, but their jobs are singers/entertainers, not songwiters.

                    Gaga can get bonus points for writing her own work.

                    But Taylor Swift doesn’t get the points. She’s a shit singer/songwriter.

                    This is what she does: she dates some ugly guy in his thirties, then breaks up with him, then writes a song about him, then sings th song on stage, but she sounds like a dying cat or mule inthe process. She has NO talent. IMO, at least. Oh yeah, she also throws on country boots to make it look like country rather than pop (Which is what it really is).

                    • Jimmy McNulty says:

                      She doesn’t even play at her concerts, she plays air guitar but has a real guitar and someone in the back plays in the songs.

                    • first time lawng time says:

                      Exactly. She’s, as Holden Caufield would put it, “a phony.”

                      Also I’ve heard that if you lister to her album (the one with the song “Love Story”) the background music or beat is the same for each song.

                • first time lawng time says:

                  She doesn’t have that good of a voice, but I liked her old songs.

              • Jimmy McNulty says:

                I still get requests for “I Want it That Way” to be the song that plays during the first dance at weddings. I can mimic three of their voices and sometime’s Howie’s but I need someone else to do Lance’s or Howie’s parts if they want to sound anything like them.

          • bexarama says:

            wtf, Britney Spears is largely terrible and always has been

            • first time lawng time says:

              She had good music back in the day. (if you like pop music, that is)

              • Pat D says:

                I never considered suicide until I heard her cover version of “Satisfaction.”

                • Pat D says:

                  Oh, and I was at the Virgin Megastore in freaking Disney World when I heard it, so it takes a special kind of pain to make you consider suicide at Disney World!

        • Esteban says:

          Amen, but it’s not all bad. Kanye West is sick, Jay-Z is still hanging on. J.Cole is pretty good too.

    • Rainbow Connection says:

      Why would anyone EVER listen to FM radio? You deserve what you get.

    • bexarama says:

      Duh, Innings! is so fucking terrible.

      • bexarama says:

        I mean:

        . Just like they would’ve kept Soriano had his tie-breaking solo shot in Game 7 of the 2001 World Series stood up to be the Series-winning shot.

        No. Look, Soriano was a good player, but when it was Soriano + a not exactly tippy-top prospect at the time (thank you for taking Arias, not Cano, Texas) for one of the best players in the universe who was right there in his prime, you bet your ass they weren’t keeping Soriano.

      • Steve S. says:

        At some point, you stop reading certain people’s responses.

        The guy personally attacked William for the Dice-K/Igawa piece he wrote a few weeks back. William’s as good a blogger as there is, and if you disagree with something he writes, fine. But he starts off calling him stupid and it devolved from there. Done.

    • Jose the Satirist says:

      What is your point? He is purposefully trolling. It is so easy to bait people here.

      • No, he’s not. He comments on the site a lot and seems to mean every word of what he says.

        • Steve S. says:

          Yeah, he’s a daily reader and I have no doubt he believes what he says. He’s also a good fan, anyone who writes 4 paragraph comments obviously cares a lot about the topic. But in terms of substance and being able to disagree without being disagreeable, he has a long way to go.

  17. Avi says:

    Klaw on Cito Culver is his chat today:
    Have you talked to anyone who had anything good to say about Cito Culver? I’m still perplexed about the pick. What is the best Settlers of Catan tip you have?
    Klaw (2:10 PM)

    No – area guys that year all pegged him as third round or below, and the majority opinion had him moving to second base. Tuesday was my first post-draft look at him, and I’m not optimistic. At least with Williams you can dream on the athleticism.

    • Esteban says:

      So KLaw is basing his opinion on what he saw AND what local scouts think. They might all be wrong, but why was KLaw getting attacked for his opinion on Culver like he had some sort of agenda? He’s clearly not alone in his opinion.

      • Avi says:

        I’m not sure. Some people have a hard time saying the Yankees made a sucky pick I guess.
        On Bichette:
        Mark (College Park, MD)

        You have probably answered this elsewhere but what are your thoughts on Dante Bichette Jr? How comparable is he to his dad? However, since Daddy only had 11.5 fWAR over a 14 year career (though this is brought down by a -9.2 WAR on defense) with a peak of 3.0 (and no other seasons over 2) this doesn’t seem to be much of an upside. Thoughts?
        Klaw (2:31 PM)

        Not even sure he’s like his dad. Junior is all clean-and-jerk pull power, swing is a mess, requires a lot of cleanup. I didn’t think he was worth a pick in the top two rounds.

      • YankeesJunkie says:

        No he is not.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        He’s clearly not alone in his opinion.

        Who here remembers when he was picked?

  18. Greg says:

    Speaking of the last topic, I was thinking of creating an all time Yankee team.

    C-Yogi Berra
    1B-Lou Gehrig
    2B-Open to suggestions (maybe Willie Randolph)
    3B- Either Nettles or ARod
    SS- Derek Jeter (could argue Rizzuto)
    OF-Joe diMaggio, Mickey Mantle, Babe Ruth
    DH- Reggie Jackson

    Starters:
    Whitey Ford, Ron Guidry, Red Ruffing, Andy Pettite, Jack Chesbro (nostalgic pick)

    Relievers: Sparky Lyle, Goose, Mo, Allie Reynolds, Mike Mussina, Ralph Terry

    Bench:
    Don Mattingly, Bobby Murcer, Phil Rizzuto, Thurman Munson,

    Any other suggestions?

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Best second basemen is Joe Gordon, and A-Rod easily takes third.

    • Esteban says:

      Joe Gordon is a Hall of Fame 2nd baseman.

      • Greg says:

        He had some good years in Cleveland following his Yankee career. Another name I discovered was Tony Lazzeri.

      • Pat D says:

        A borderline one, at that.

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          There’s like six second basemen that are legitimate hall of famers. Collins, Lajoie, Morgan, Kent, and some obvious ones that I’m forgetting. So that’s still pretty damn good, even by all time standards.

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          Hornsby, duh.

          • Pat D says:

            Kent’s not in the HOF yet.

            There are more legit HOF 2B than HOF SS: Lajoie, Collins, Hornsby, Frisch, Gehringer, Jackie, Billy Herman, Bobby Doerr, Morgan, Bid McPhee, Sandberg, Alomar.

            Questionable or worse HOF 2B: Johnny Evers, Red Schoendienst, Lazzeri, Nellie Fox, Bill Mazeroski, Joe Gordon

            • Jimmy McNulty says:

              I’d put Doerr and Herman in that questionable category. Probably Frisch too. So comparing: Hornsby, Lajoie, Robinson, Collins, Morgan, Sandberg and Alomar to

              Wagner, Vaugh, Rodriguez, Jeter, Ripken, Cronin, Yount, Larkin, and Banks

              I dunno…I’d take the shortstops. Probably a flawed comparison, anyways.

              • Pat D says:

                Well, yea, it’s a flawed comparison. Frankie Frisch is not a borderline HOF’er. Now, he helped a lot of borderline HOF’ers get elected, but that’s another story.

                You can’t put ARod and Jeter in the comparison because they’re not HOF’ers yet and ARod might not get in. And he’ll probably have logged more innings at 3B by the end of his career. Also, Larkin’s not in yet and Yount’s career was almost split between SS and CF. But I’ll give you Yount.

                • Jimmy McNulty says:

                  I was talking about strength across the history of the position, and saying that A-Rod and Jeter aren’t in yet is like saying we don’t know that Katy Perry’s next album will suck yet.

                  • Pat D says:

                    You didn’t say that.

                    And I also didn’t include Rod Carew as a 2B.

                    • Jimmy McNulty says:

                      You said more legit HOF second basemen than shortstops. I thought you were suggesting that second base is a historically stronger position than shortstop.

                    • Pat D says:

                      Oh. No, I was strictly talking in terms of those enshrined.

    • Xstar7 says:

      2B as of right now is Tony Lazzeri (although Cano is only a couple stellar seasons away from surpassing him.)

    • Pat D says:

      Randolph, Tony Lazzeri or Joe Gordon for second base.

      Lefty Gomez > Chesbro, Reynolds, Terry

      Plenty of other guys that could be considered: Winfield, Charlie Keller, Tommy Henrich, Elston Howard, Vic Raschi, Herb Pennock, Waite Hoyt, Bob Shawkey, Bob Meusel, Earle Combs, Gil McDougald, etc., etc.

      You could come up with an All-Time Yankees “B” team, and it too would be quite successful.

      • Greg says:

        Thought Gomez played for other teams in his career. OK replace Terry with Chesbro in the pen and insert Gomez into the starting rotation.

        That’s four lefties in the starting rotation.

      • Kiersten says:

        The Yankees’ All-Time B team would kick most other franchise’s A-Teams’ asses.

        • tom says:

          Tom Boswell in the Washington Post, writing about the Yankees’ 1998 team, said it was like an all-time Yankee team, only with the first ballot Hall of Famers excluded — a team of all Tony Lazzeris & Willie Randolphs & Allie Reynolds. Obviously subsequent history has moved Jeter and Mo into sure HOF territory, but, for the rest, he was pretty much right…and look what that team achieved.

          Which makes your point.

    • Jose the Satirist says:

      This list reminded me that Rizzuto being in the hall of fame is a joke. Take out that one MVP year and his numbers drop even more.

      • Pat D says:

        Yea, he is borderline as a HOF’er. But so are Hughie Jennings, Joe Tinker, Rabbit Maranville, Bobby Wallace, Dave Bancroft, Travis Jackson, Joe Sewell, Luis Aparicio and, to a certain extent, Ozzie Smith.

        Rizzuto also lost his age 25-age 27 seasons to World War II.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/.....neup-15182

      The average lineup containing these players would score 7.385 runs per game. In a 162 game season, that means 1,197 runs. The modern record for runs scored in a season was set by the 1931 Yankees, who scored 1,067. This team would beat that tally by 130 runs. That’s disgusting. Words cannot describe the awesomeness of this lineup.

      The best projected lineup would be Ruth/Gehrig/Lazzeri/DiMaggio/Mantle/Jackson/Rodriguez/Berra/Jeter, which would score 7.499 per game (1,215 per 162).

      The worst projected lineup was Berra/Lazzeri/Rodriguez/Jeter/Jackson/Mantle/Gehrig/Ruth/DiMaggio and even that scored 7.004 runs per game (1,135). So even the “worst” lineup consisting of these nine guys would break the runs scored record.

    • DCBX says:

      C- Yogi Berra
      1B- Lou Gehrig
      2B- Tony Lazzeri!
      3B- A-Rod
      SS- Derek Jeter
      OF-Joe diMaggio, Mickey Mantle, Babe Ruth
      DH- Reggie Jackson

      Starters:
      Whitey Ford, Ron Guidry, Red Ruffing, Lefty Gomez, Jack Chesbro (

      Relievers: Goose, Mo, Johnny Murphy, Ryne Duren, Dave Righetti

      Bench:
      Don Mattingly, Dave Winfield, Phil Rizzuto, Thurman Munson

  19. jon says:

    Taking a look at the all time great players on a team who would have the best team?

    its gotta be the yankees right?

    • Pat D says:

      The only teams that could even compete would be the Red Sox, Giants, Dodgers and maybe the A’s and Cardinals. Don’t think the Cubs, Pirates, Red, Orioles or Tigers would be in the same range.

  20. Grit Storage says:

    Check the milb.com league transaction pages – lot’s of apparent movement between Charleston and Tampa today.

    http://tinyurl.com/63vybnm (milb.com SAL transaction page)

    To Tampa/From Charleston: Murphy, Heathcott, Roller
    To Charleston/From Tampa: Higgy and Mahoney

    Kind of odd that Heathcott is going since he was/is on the DL. Roller too, I think. So maybe some sort of weird paper move, not sure. But Murphy is in the lineup tonight for Tampa.

  21. Xstar7 says:

    A lot of international players are being drafted early.

  22. I was really hoping the Raptors were gonna take Jan Vesely, so Colangelo could continue his goal of building the worst defensive team ever, a/k/a “The Bargnani Project”.

  23. Xstar7 says:

    I love how the crowd boos David Stern every time he steps up to the podium

  24. YESSSSSSSSSSSSS, THANK YOU CHARLOTTE FOR TAKING KEMBA!!!

    One down, one to go.

  25. So the Bobcats took Walker. Who do you all see the Knicks taking this draft?

  26. PRAISE JEEBUS THE BUCKS FUCKED UP AND KEPT US FROM FUCKING UP!

    (Please, Mo, don’t let this be a “we’re making this pick for New York” pick. Please, please, please.)

  27. Xstar7 says:

    The Bobcats took Jimmer. HA!

  28. Bah, Warriors took Klay. I knew he wasn’t going to fall to us, but I was hoping.

  29. Jimmy McNulty says:

    So that Boston mobster finally got arrested. 16 years evaded the FBI. Holy Shit.

  30. Esteban says:

    Wait, who is making the pick for the Knicks? Is Donny Walsh doing the draft?

  31. Esteban says:

    Aww Marcus is cwying.

  32. (crosses fingers)

    No Marshon, Big man, Big Man, no Marshon, big man, big man, no Marshon, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand… STOP!

  33. Side-note: The NBA really needs to change the draft in the new CBA to end the “picking for some other team” nonsense.

    Make the Pacers actually trade the pick to San Antonio first. The trade announcement before the pick is one of the best moments of the NFL draft. The NBA way is confusing and a bigger buzzkill than Buzz Killington.

    • Pat D says:

      I agree. I blame Stern.

    • Steve H says:

      Agreed. I remember missing the draft one year, getting home and seeing that the Celtics had drafted Dahntay Jones and Troy Bell. I was pissed. Of course the whole time they had already been traded.

      • Pat D says:

        The worst example of that was when Antawn Jamison and Vince Carter were drafted right after each other, Jamison by Toronto and Carter by Golden State. They made them come back out onto the stage and trade caps.

        The whole time the announcers were just yucking it up how they’d been college teammates and now traded for each other. Douchenozzles.

  34. Esteban says:

    Preemptively boos

  35. Shumpert? I can totally live with a 6’6″ guard who can defend and slash.

    Two thumbs up. I wanted a big, but at least we got a servicable guard with upside. Daddy likes.

  36. Knicks took Shumpert. Anybody have anything on him? Kind of at a loss here.

  37. JohnnyC says:

    Maybe a trade? Pick for someone else?

  38. Esteban says:

    I think I would have preferred a big man. Oh well, what the fuck do I know?

    • Esteban says:

      LOL.

    • Pat D says:

      He probably will.

    • Steve S. says:

      Isn’t it something of an unwritten rule for us regulars that there’s no partisan politics?

      • I’m not taking shots at a legit political figure or partisan position, I’m goofing on a puppethead.

      • Ubu says:

        Nope, tsjc isn’t clever enough without taking cheap shots at the Right. See, there is no one pathetic, hateful or stupid that does political commentary on any other network… and is not a recognized fair game- i.e. those “evil right-wingers”

        Always like to reissue the challenge oh mighty Upside Elder? Still waiting to see any of your hilarious wit against those of the political Left. There is an absolute gusher of pathetic bigots, liars and general losers to pick on MSNBC, CNN, endless left-wing sites, left wing celebrities.

        But that would actually take some courage and actual wit to find satire and humor coming from your political side of the aisle. Oh, I know, TSJC the Left just doesn’t do anything worth ridiculing, yep… still waiting for you to provide some actual proof that your not just some Lefty troll who takes the Daily Show or HuffPo as their main news source.

  39. Ooh, the T’Wolves got Motejunas, a/k/a “The rich man’s Nikoloz Tskitishvili”.

  40. Steve S. says:

    Season Team WAR Dollars Salary
    2002 Yankees 7.0 $18.1 $10.4
    2003 Yankees 5.0 $14.1 $11.4
    2004 Yankees 0.1 $0.2 $12.4
    2005 Yankees 4.3 $14.6 $13.4
    2006 Yankees 2.9 $10.8 $20.4
    2007 Yankees 0.5 $2.1 $23.4
    2008 Yankees 2.1 $9.3 $23.4

    http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....B/DH#value

    Yanks got killed on Giambi’s contract. George looked smart for the first two years, but after that they got crushed.

    • Steve S. says:

      1st 2 years-$32.2 dollars/21.8 salary

      Next 5 years-$37.0 dollars/93.0 salary

    • His body broke down. 677 PA per season during his prime (last dour years in OAK, first two in NYY), 462 PA per season in the last 5 years of the Yankee deal.

      Can’t earn that salary from the trainer’s room.

      • Pat D says:

        Did they ever figure out what caused that stomach ailment? Steroids are not an acceptable answer.

        • Steve S. says:

          Half the team got sick when they went to Japan, Giambi just didn’t get better. Giambi wasn’t exactly known to get a good night’s sleep, so between that and the roids I think that explains it.

      • Steve S. says:

        No doubt, but anyone who ever saw his zit-covered back in that very same trainer’s room knew why he was breaking down. The Yanks had to know as well, but chose to give him 7 years.

        BTW-By all accounts, that was a George deal. Brian wanted to bring Tino back for 1 year, then work in Nick Johnson. Not that Nick Johnson ever had Giambi’s career, but that signing forced Cash to deal Nick for a pitcher, who turned out to be Javy Vazquez. A cascade of bad moves off the Giambi deal. Maybe they (George) should have just let Brian do his job.

      • Steve H says:

        Can’t earn that salary from the trainer’s room.

        Unless your trainer is Greg Anderson.

      • CP says:

        It’s not even a general breakdown. He had two bad and injury plagued seasons.

        Other than ’04 and ’07 he basically lived up to his contract – underpaid early and overpaid later.

  41. Greg says:

    Thunder take reggie Jackson from BC. Most people thought he would go to the Nets

  42. Rainbow Connection says:

    So…it’s a Lance Berkman ass-licking contest on MLBN, huh?

  43. Pat D says:

    Blazers take Nolan Smith at 21. Isn’t that a reach?

  44. Greg says:

    Nets have traded with the Celtics

  45. Pat D says:

    So Oswalt was force to leave his start with back stiffness and the Phillies had Lee pinch hit for him? Habba wha?

  46. Mister Delaware says:

    I don’t watch the NBA, don’t really care at all, yet I always watch the draft. Why?

  47. Greg says:

    The Timberwolves are playing Chess with the draft picks. The pick that Chicago just made for them is being traded to the Heat.

  48. Alfredo says:

    anyone know why Jesus Montero did not play in tonights game?

  49. Greg says:

    Knicks just got Josh Harrelson from the Hornets

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