Banuelos dominant, Montero homers in win

Game 132: Escape from Baltimore
Freddy leads Yanks to a win in return from DL

Mason Williams claimed the top spot in Penn League Report’s list of the top 30 prospects in the NY-Penn League. “He has great strike-zone judgment and drives pitches anywhere over the plate,” says PLR. “Many I’ve approached suggested Williams as the number one prospect even before I showed them my list.”

Meanwhile, no Yankees’ farmhands were named to the High-A Florida State League All-Star Team. For shame. Also, Terry Tiffee was apparently released. On behalf of the Yankees organization, thanks for the 112 plate appearances, Terry.

Triple-A Scranton Game One (3-0 win over Pawtucket in seven innings)
Ray Kruml, LF: 0 for 4, 1 RBI, 1 K
Kevin Russo, 2B: 1 for 4, 1 K
Jesus Montero, C: 2 for 2, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K – the homer was pulled into left … the walk was intentional
Jorge Vazquez, 1B, Brandon Laird, 3B, Greg Golson, CF & Doug Bernier, SS: all 0 for 2, 1 BB – Laird also struck out
Mike Lamb, DH: 1 for 3
Jordan Parraz, RF: 1 for 3, 1 R, 1 K
Manny Banuelos, LHP: 7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 6 K, 1 HB, 10-2 GB/FB – 59 of 98 pitches were strikes (60.2%) … took the no-hitter into the sixth, and based on the play-by-play, he allowed just three balls out of the infield and only one after the second inning (a sixth inning ground ball single through his legs)… dominant, easily his best start of the season and arguably the best of his career … he crushed them with offspeed stuff, getting lots of swings and misses with the curve and changeup

Triple-A Scranton Game Two (2-0 loss to Pawtucket in seven innings) makeup of one of the Hurricane Irene games … the loss officially eliminates them from the IL North division title, ending their run of four straight division crowns … Lehigh Valley lost both games in their doubleheader, so their magic number for the wildcard remains at one … SWB is technically still alive in the playoff race, although the outlook is grim
Chris Dickerson, CF: 2 for 4, 1 2B
Kevin Russo, 2B, Jesus Montero, DH & Jordan Parraz, RF: all 0 for 3 – Russo and Parraz each struck out twice
Jorge Vazquez, 1B, Luis Nunez, SS & Gus Molina, C: all 1 for 3 – JoVa and Nunez struck out once each, Molina twice
Brandon Laird, 3B: 0 for 2, 1 BB, 1 K
Greg Golson, LF: 2 for 3, 1 K
Dellin Betances, RHP: 7 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 4 BB, 8 K, 1-7 GB/FB  – 60 of 104 pitches were strikes (57.7%) … love the whiffs, but it’s all about the control, as always

Double-A Trenton (10-4 loss to New Hampshire)
Austin Krum, LF, Corban Joseph, 2B & Addison Maruszak, 3B: all 0 for 4 – Krum walked and whiffed … CoJo whiffed twice, Maruszak once … Maruszak also committed a throwing error
Austin Romine, C: 3 for 4 – hits in half of his last 16 at-bats
Rob Lyerly, 1B & Zoilo Almonte, RF: both 1 for 4, 1 R, 1 2B – Lyerly struck out twice
Melky Mesa, CF: 2 for 4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 K – eight for his last 20 with three doubles
Jose Pirela, SS: 1 for 3, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 2 E (both throwing) – that brings his season error total to 38
Damon Sublett, DH: 1 for 3, 1 BB
Craig Heyer, RHP: 3.1 IP, 7 H, 8 R, 5 ER, 3 BB, 2 K, 4-6 GB/FB – one of the walked was intentional … 142.2 IP this year, so he’s closing in on what he threw  in 2009 (72.1 IP) and 2010 (92 IP) combined
Cory Arbiso, RHP: 3.2 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 4 BB, 3 K, 1 HB, 4-3 GB/FB
Raul Valdes, LHP: 1 IP, zeroes, 2 K, 0-1 GB/FB
Pat Venditte, SwP: 1 IP, zeroes, 1-0 GB/FB

High-A Tampa (13-3 loss to Brevard County in six innings) they called this one early, presumably due to the weather
Abe Almonte, CF: 2 for 3, 2 R, 1 2B, 1 K – 15 for his last 39 (.385) with three doubles, a homer, and just four strikeouts … get this, he’s got a 30-game hitting streak going … he’s pulling a Hilligoss!
Walt Ibarra, SS: 0 for 3
Ronnier Mustelier, LF & Rob Segedin, 3B: both 1 for 3, 1 RBI
Kyle Roller, 1B, Kelvin Castro, 2B & Tyson Blaser, C: all 0 for 2 – Roller walked … Castro committed a fielding error … Blaser struck out and allowed a passed ball
Cody Johnson, DH: 2 for 3, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI – that’s his 21st dinger of the season, second in the system behind JoVa
Neil Medchill, RF: 0 for 1, 1 BB
Francisco Gil, RHP: 3.2 IP, 12 H, 12 R, 10 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 1 WP, 1 HB, 9-1 GB/FB – egads … uh, yay grounders?
Preston Claiborne, RHP: 2.1 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K, 9-1 GB/FB

Low-A Charleston (9-6 win over Savannah)
Jose Toussen, 2B, Ramon Flores, CF & Kelvin DeLeon, RF: both 2 for 5 – Toussen got hit by a pitch, scored twice, struck out, and threw a ball away for an error … Flores struck out twice and scored once … DeLeon doubled twice, drove in four, and scored a run
Shane Brown, 1B: 3 for 4, 1 R, 2 RBI, 1 BB – 26 walks and just 17 strikeouts this year … limited action though
Kevin Mahoney, 3B & Jose Mojica, SS: both 3 for 5 – Mahoney doubled, drove in two, and came around to score twice … Mojica plated a run
Kyle Higashioka, DH: 1 for 5, 1 R
Taylor Grote, LF: 0 for 4, 1 BB, 2 K
Jeff Farnham, C: 0 for 3, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 PB
Manny Barreda, RHP: 3 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 6 BB, 3 K, 1 WP, 1-4 GB/FB – is it just me, or have we seen a whole lot of 5+ BB games this year?
Michael Recchia, RHP: 5 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K, 1 WP, 5-2 GB/FB
Mark Montgomery, RHP: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 K – another inning, another three strikeouts

Short Season Staten Island Game One (4-3 win over Aberdeen in seven innings)
Mason Williams, CF: 0 for 2, 1 BB, 1 K
Cito Culver, SS: 0 for 2, 2 K – ejected in the third inning for arguing balls and strikes … Casey Stevenson replaced him and doubled in a run in his only at-bat
Ben Gamel, RF & Cody Grice, LF: both 0 for 3 – Grice struck out
Tyler Austin, 3B & Reymond Nunez, 1B: both 1 for 3, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI – Austin stole a base … Nunez whiffed twice
Ali Castillo, 2B: 1 for 3, 1 RBI
Nick McCoy, C: 1 for 2, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 PB
Wilton Rodriguez, RHP: 3 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 1 WP, 4-2 GB/FB
Dustin Hobbs, RHP: 3 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 2-3 GB/FB
Branden Pinder, RHP: 1 IP, zeroes, 2 K, 1-0 GB/FB – 11-2 K/BB in his last 5.2 IP

Short Season Staten Island Game Two (5-0 win over Aberdeen in seven innings) makeup of one of the Hurricane Irene games
Mason Williams, CF: 1 for 4, 1 RBI, 1 SB
Cito Culver, SS: 0 for 4, 1 SB
Ben Gamel, RF & Tyler Austin, 3B: both 1 for 3, 1 R – Gamel struck out twice, Austin once
Reymond Nunez, 1B & Zach Wilson, DH: both 2 for 3, 1 R, 1 RBI
Cody Grice, LF: 0 for 3, 1 K
Ali Castillo, 2B: 0 for 2, 1 R, 1 BB
Jhorge Liccien, C: 0 for 2, 1 RBI, 1 K, 1 HBP
Zach Varce, RHP: 5 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 HB, 8-2 GB/FB – might be his best outing of the season, he’s been getting knocked around a bit of late
Ben Paullus, RHP: 2 IP, zeroes, 3 K, 1-2 GB/FB – 40-11 K/BB in 29 IP

Rookie GCL Yanks (12-3 win over GCL Marlins) the GCL Yanks lead the best-of-three Championship Series one game to none, and they’ve got a chance to wrap up the league title tomorrow afternoon
Jose Rosario, SS: 1 for 5, 1 R, 1 RBI
Danny Lopez, CF: 2 for 5, 2 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI – second homer in his last ten games
Dante Bichette Jr., 3B: 1 for 3, 2 BB – he looked way too happy to take these walks in a big game … /old meme’d
Damian Taveras, DH: 2 for 5, 1 R, 2 RBI, 1 K
Matt Duran, 1B: 3 for 5, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 K – slow day at the office, I see
Jackson Valera, C: 2 for 5, 2 R, 2 2B, 2 RBI – Isaias Tejeda hasn’t played since leaving the final game of the regular season for an unknown reason
Jorge Alcantara, LF: 2 for 5, 2 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 2 K
Fu-Lin Kuo, 2B: 1 fr 4, 2 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K
Henry Pena, RF: 1 for 3, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 K
Gabe Encinas, RHP: 4 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, 4-2 GB/FB – 50-20 K/BB in 55.1 IP
Zach Nuding, RHP: 2 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 WP, 1 HB, 1-1 GB/FB – still rehabbing, though the season is pretty much over
Cory Maines, RHP: 2 IP, zeroes, 1 K, 2-2 GB/FB
Corey Cowsert, RHP: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1-0 GB/FB

Game 132: Escape from Baltimore
Freddy leads Yanks to a win in return from DL
  • mbonzo

    Where do you think Mason Williams will appear on BA’s top 100? How about in their top 10? He’s probably behind Betances/Banuelos/Sanchez no?

    • Mike Axisa

      I had him behind Montero, Betances, Banuelos, Sanchez, and I think Romine. I can’t see him being any lower, could see him as high as number three behind Montero and Banuelos though. Now idea about the top 100, he might sneak in the back half.

      • Avi

        I agree with Mike’s rankings but I bet BA has him ahead of Romine. They’re high on upside and Mason has more of it than Romine. I think he’s a good bet to crack most top 100 lists this off season too.

    • sleepykarl

      He feels like a Trout-lite type riser as in a CF with all the tools that would be taken much sooner in a redraft. Before I’m jumped I know he isn’t as young as Trout was(is?) and is doing it at a much lower level, but reports seem to be similar to how Trout was initially touted. Please don’t take this as saying Williams will even be a top 75 prospect, but everything from Law and BA has been glowing on Williams.

  • Jake H

    Did anyone read Frankie P’s article on Mason Williams today? I don’t have a scouts membership.

    • J

      Wouldn’t really call it an article – it was barely two paragraphs.

  • sleepykarl

    Montero’s intentional walk was funny. 2 outs and runners on 1st and 2nd when he came up and Pena was actually pitching to him. Ball 1 was way up and away, both ball 2 and 3 went to the backstop (lead runner scored on the second WP, Russo to third), then they conceded and threw an intent ball four.

  • SDM

    In Betances defense there was some horrible calls on the umpire when it came to balls and strikes (it went both ways, the ump actually called a pitch right down the middle a ball)

  • Esteban

    Good to see the top prospects closing out the season strong.

    And since it’s obvious that Montero won’t be up until after Sept. 1, Pat D, you should tell Hester Prynne to eat some crow, who said this on the post titled “Montero expected to join Yankees “in the near very near future”

    Hester Prynne says:
    August 1, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Wow, this news runs contrary to what PatD yelled at us yesterday in capital and bold letters when he said Montero would not be up before Sept. 1 no matter what. From this it sounds like he’ll be up before we know it which is good for him and the ballclub.

    • Esteban

      Not to say that Hester was wrong in saying Montero should be up, but I thought it was obvious that the Yankees weren’t planning to bring up Montero before rosters expanded.

      • radnom

        1.) It was pretty stupid to proclaim in bold letters on August 1st that Montero would not be up no matter what. It was likely, but by no means a guarantee. Just because it ended up working out that way doesn’t mean it was correct that no other scenario was possible.

        2.) How petty do you have to be to drag up a month old comment?

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        And if you don’t see Hester Prynne, feel free to tell it to Billy Pilgrim, Kilgore Trout, Jack Merridew, Roland Deschain, Tom Bombadil, or whatever other famous literary character he’ll be calling himself next week.

        • Smallz


        • Kilgore Trout

          Keep me out of this.

  • JonS

    Jesus Montero, C: 2 for 2, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K

    How is that line possible? lol

    On a serious note, The B’s seem to be coming together in SWB no? Brackman’s resurgence seemed to coincide with the arrival of Manny and then Dellin.

    • Dino Velvet


      ManBam with a 1 hitter over Pawtuckett, with is loaded with future Hall of Famers.

      • Jorge

        Obviously, this was a master ploy by Theo to lull the Yankees into a fall sense of security, have them call Manny up early, and have him pitch in Fenway in place of AJ. Theo thinks ten steps ahead of everyone at all times. Next week, they’ll trick the Yankees into replacing Curtis Granderson with Mason Williams.

      • sleepykarl

        Betances had a two-hitter, just one was a loud hit.

        • Jesse

          Yep the homer of Lavarnaway. Other than that, fantastic start, for the most part. Don’t really like the 4 BB’s with one of them scoring on the homer.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      The B’s seem to be coming together in SWB no? Brackman’s resurgence seemed to coincide with the arrival of Manny and then Dellin.

      Clearly, they missed each other and only play well when they have friends around.

      Maybe they’re all Dominican, like Robbie and Melky.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        Zack Greinke almost quit baseball because he didn’t have any friends on the team, or so my hardcore Greinke fan friends tell me…so Brackman could have had some mental issues going on with him as well.

        • Ted Nelson

          It’s possible, but it involves a whole lot of speculation… including assuming that he’s friends with Betances and/or Banuelos. Unless there were actually a report that it’s how he and/or the org feel… it’s not the first conclusion I would jump to.

    • JAG

      Um…yeah actually, wait a minute. How is it possible for Montero to go 2-for-2 with a strikeout? Even if he reached on the K, it’s still an out with an error/passed ball/wild pitch.

      • Doug

        he didn’t strike out

    • swo

      Dropped strike 3, perhaps? I’m not sure how that shows up in the box score, but that could be it.

  • Will

    Mark Montgomery with a 15.7 K/9 ratio. Filthy, filthy stuff from him, and so young too.

  • A.D.

    Nice to see 2 Bs deal pretty well

  • Nuke LaDoosh

    “Banuelos dominant, Montero homers in win” Why do I think that is a headline we may see repeated many many times ?

    • Matt Montero

      “Banuelos dominant, Montero homers in win, Mo closes it out”

      Fixed… gonna be a headline for at least the next 10 years, no?

      • Ted Nelson

        Mo = Mark Montgomery?

  • Avi

    Culver down to .248. F*ck the Yankees draft philosophy.

    • Avi

      I think Culver will be lucky to get out of class A in his career.

      • Sayid J.

        I think you’re wrong.

        • Jesse

          I think your sarcasm detector needs an adjustment.

          • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            No, Sayid knows what he’s talking about. Avi legitimately hates Cito Culver and thinks heads should roll for his bustitude being taken in the first round.

            Avi’s comment wasn’t sarcastic.

            • Dave M

              Have you ever seen Cito throw? The guy’s got a cannon. Perhaps if he can’t hit, he can pitch? I know way premature statement there. Just saying. he’s got some tools.

    • pat

      You probably would have been saying that in 1992 as well.

      • Avi

        No I wouldn’t have. Jeter unlike Culver was worthy of where he was drafted. He was a consesus top 5 or 10 talent.

        • Gonzo

          Jeter was also still highly regarded after his “horrendous” 1st professional year.


          • Avi

            Right. And Culver was NEVER highly regarded.

            • Gonzo

              No, you must OBEY!

    • A.D.

      He’s got some interesting home/away splits

    • Jim S

      That…was an over reaction.

      /Andy Bernard’d

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I find it amusing that this Culver-bashing comes in the same post as the link citing Mason Williams as the best prospect in the NYPL, since that list says that the #15 prospect in that league is… Cito Culver.

      Culver is a streaky hitter who is the exact definition of a NASDAQ guy. Not only has he been up and down all year, but when he’s playing well he’s on fire and when he’s not, he’s dreadful. Culver has made some strides from the left-side of the plate since the beginning of the year. When the season started, I spoke to several scouts who were extremely low on Culver as a left-handed batter. One of them even suggested the Yankees had started internal discussions regarding Culver as a pitcher. He’s improved his approach and has developed above average strike zone judgement. Defensively is where things get iffy. I’ve seen Culver play shortstop as much as anybody has this year and am convinced that he can be an average to above average shortstop, especially with a gun for an arm. With that said, I’ve spoken to people who think Culver is best suited as a second-baseman due to lack of range. A position switch shouldn’t be in the cards until a couple of years down the line.

      • pat

        Joke’s on you. Prospects 2-14 are all shortstops.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead.

      • Avi

        TSJC: You realize that if you’re the 15th best prospect in any one league you’re like the 240th best prospect in the game?
        Furthermore, where do you think Nick Castellanos or Tyrel Jenkins would rank if they were in the NY Penn League?

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Avi: You realize that Cito Culver is not a shitty prospect, even if he is “only” the 240th best prospect in the game?

          • Avi

            I think he is. If not for his draft pedigree I doubt he’s ranked #15 by anyone. And again, it was an awful pick because there were much more talented players available.

            Over the next few years the Yankees are going to pay a heavy price for being way too conservative in the last two drafts.

            • MikeD

              No they won’t.

            • Ted Nelson

              Says Avi… based on what he read of other people’s opinions…

      • Jimmy McNulty

        For a team like the Yankees that can afford an actual good first round pick, the 15th best prospect in a short season league to write home about. I really wanted Tyrell Jenkins or maybe even AJ Cole, both of whom are doing serious work, AJ’s doing it in full season ball. Two other guys I liked:

        Keep in mind, I’m not just doing this because the Red Sox drafted them, I know that was your first thought, but I’ve met both of these guys at the 2009 CWS. They were nice dudes and I woulda liked to have them in tow.

        Don’t get me wrong, Culver’s still young and can develop into a good player, but given the choices several of us wanted, it’s looking like the Yankees could have done better.

        • Avi

          Yeah, I wanted Ranaudo, Castellanos, Stetson Allie or Jenkins. They were the consesus top talents available in Cito’s spot. All except Allie have had very strong starts to their pro careers.

          • sleepykarl

            Yes, we all would be so happy to have Allie right now… I’m not writing off Allie, but that dude has been horrific, much worse than Culver; yet both are young and have many years before we need to determine their careers. I’m sure most would have seen Gardner rise to a top 5 OF in WAR over the last year and a half (he was considered a reach in the third round, no pedigree!!!!).

            • Rookie

              I think Gardner is a horrible example of a player without a pedigree. If you look at his stats in college, he was a beast.

              In fact, his stats were incredibly similar to those of Ellsbury in College and throughout the minors — except (as I recall) Ellsbury had more power and Gardner had a better OBP. So naturally Ellsbury was hyped like crazy as a super-valuable can’t miss prospect and Gardner was ignored.

              But the numbers were always there.

              • Ted Nelson

                I’m sure that Cito’s HS stats weren’t that bad, either. Pedigree is a relative thing. It’s not about how you interpret amateur stats in hindsight… it’s about how hyped they were going into the draft. Avi’s whole thing is that because BA and Law didn’t LOVE Cito he can’t possibly be a good player. He then extends this to their entire draft, ignoring that paying $4+ mill for a first rounder probably means no Mason Williams at $1.5 mill in the 4th round.

                Gardner was a 3rd round pick who got a $210,000 signing bonus and is now a 5-6 fWAR player… I think this is a good example of why there is no need to get bent out of shape about pre-draft hype. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. Avi has a good chance of being right that looking back there will have been better players available when Cito was picked… same holds true for every pick outside the top 5-10 or so, though. Avi’s crap is ignorant and annoying.

          • fren1

            You’re most likely lumped in the with the group of tools who bashed the Kennedy/Joba picks.

            Please shut the hell up.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          I’m not saying the Yankees couldn’t have done better. (I also liked Jenkins myself.)

          I’m saying simply that Culver is not a horrible scrub of a bust that deserves Avi’s undying scorn and limitless rage. Culver is actually a pretty solid young SS prospect with an intriguing bat, good plate discipline, and solid defense. 10 years from now, will all that equal out to be better than Jenkins, Cole, or Castellanos? It might, it might not. Culver’s put himself in legit prospect conversations, though. He’s not Dave Parrish or Jon Poterson.

          That’s all.

          • Avi

            I disagree with your assesment of his skills and think he is more like Poterson, Parrish, Andy Brown, David Walling, Andy Beal, Danny Borrel, etc

            • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              It’s not just my assessment of his skills, though. Prospect watchers and minor league scribes across baseball have said that Culver’s got legit potential.

              But whatever, you’ve made up your mind. Rock on, do your thing, I’ll leave you alone.

              • Smallz

                Isnt he 18? 19? drafted out of high school? HES NOT READY FOR THE BIGS YET??? CUT THIS MAN!!

            • Ted Nelson

              Based on what? Do you actually scout him? Or you just read that he wasn’t a top 100 draft prospect in BA (though he was top 200) and decided you know all about his skills?

              Your comments are worthless. Say something with some substance. “The Yankees don’t draft the most expensive players I have read about in BA and ESPN, so they should all be fired” is WORTHLESS. Give some actual analysis.

    • Ted Nelson

      Class A moron. They have 5 of the top 30 prospects in the 14 team NYPL, and you attack their draft philosophy?

      You disagree with the pick of Culver–not because you actually know anything about him, but because he wasn’t a consensus stud… even though he was a consensus top 200 prospect… and you ignore that the top 200 has historically been extremely hit or miss. We all know that now. You come across as an ignorant dickweed by exaggerating your point and failing to realize how the draft works.

      Please stop. It’s REALLY annoying.

      • Rookie


        You make great points, but then you undermine them when you call someone a moron, an ignorant dickweed, and call them annoying.

        I know that you’re perfectly capable of disagreeing with other posters on this board and sharing your excellent insights without being disagreeable.

        • Ted Nelson

          Avi has been going on, and on, and on… about how bad the Yankees are at drafting because they don’t take the most expensive, most BA hyped guys available for over a year now. You are right that there’s no need for some of the things I’ve said, but it’s beyond the point of being polite to me. It’s one thing to provide an actual first hand scouting report that Culver lacks this and that skill, especially if it’s something you can show has a strong link to MLB success and is harder to learn. However, his points are out of line with the scouting community. It’s a personal attack on Culver and the Yankees’ organization which is baseless and ignorant. He acts like BA’s top 200 list is an exact list of how well prospects will do on their careers. Outside the top 20 or so historically it has been anything but. There are especially tons of examples of guys who ranked from 100-200 coming out of HS and then after 3 years in college bolted up the list. For him to actually provide analysis and limit it to “I don’t think Culver is a good prospect” would be fine. He constantly attacks the Yankees’ organization with faulty logic. It’s just trolling basically.

  • pat

    I’d wager every team in baseball had a scout or two at those Scranton games. Not often you can see the triumvirate play in the same day.

  • Michael

    Yeah that headline hopefully will be seen for years to come

  • jon

    Betances had a pretty damn good start too

    • Xstar7

      Definitely. ManBan and Dealin’ Dellin held the Hall of Fame class of 2035 to only 2 ER in 14 IP with 14 K’s!

  • Avi

    They should allow minor league teams to bat the same guy twice in a lineup. Think about it how much faster would hitters develop if they had 1,200 plate appearances a year? Seems like a waste to get only 600 a year.

    • Avi

      Montero for example would bat 4th and 8th in the same lineup, therefore getting twice as many plate appearances per year. You’d have a slotted runner or designted runner for one of the Montero spots.
      The minor leagues are all about development – or should be anyway.

      • Sayid J.

        Minor league teams are also professional baseball teams playing by professional baseball rules.

        • Avi

          Well then change them!
          If we agree it’s better for the player to get more reps and that they’ll develop faster, why wouldn’t they do it?

          • Gonzo

            Minor league teams are also businesses.

            • Avi

              True, and it would probably be better for business to have the teams’ best prospect coming up to bat twice as often.

              • Gonzo

                Ever wonder why there are so many more people attending the games as opposed to batting practice?

                • Avi

                  I see what you mean, it takes away from the integrity of the game. It’s a good point but I don’t think it would hurt business or attendance. I think a lot or most people go to minor league games to see individual prospects and don’t care as much about the results. I know I do.

                  • dr mrs the yankee

                    You live in crazytown. Most people go to minor league games to watch baseball and have no effing clue who is a prospect and who isn’t other than big names

                    • JimIsBored (Jim S)

                      Yeah. This, so much this.

      • Dennis

        What if montero is onbase and the 8th spot comes to bat.

        • Avi

          Thus the designated runner. You’d have a guy on the roster, it could be a bench player of even pitcher be able to run for Montero at any point so Montero can bat again.

          • fren1

            Forget my other post bashing you on your Culver “analysis.” You’re clearly a dumbass.

    • pat

      Except they get to the majors and it’s like being a part time player.

    • BobK

      Hell, I’d let Culver bat three times per inning if it would guarantee Avi’s head exploding.

    • Ted Nelson

      You would have to show that getting that many reps is actually better for development. A lot of minor leaguers are adjusting to full season ball (or even short-season ball) and might wear down twice as fast with twice the PAs. Then once you get to the higher levels teams (including Newman of the Yankees) are on record saying they want their AAA guys in MLB roles so they can step up immediately.

      Could be better to get twice the PAs, but there are reasons to believe there would be diminishing returns and it would not be a straight-line twice as good.

  • Jorge

    Can’t wait until the day big leaguers are just as fooled by B&B, as well as having Jesus crushing them into the upper deck at the stadium. Some exciting stuff to look forward to next season, at some point.

    • Smallz

      I would really let the kids take a shot at snagging some roster spots next year. The 2013 Free Agent class is a buffet of nasty pitching. If the Yankees get nothing out of Montero/Banuelos/Betances/Romine/Brackman etc then go nuts. But give the kids a chance to play.

  • Bill

    Too bad the SWB offense didn’t back Betances up. Both Manny and Dellin pitched well throwing complete games in a doubleheader where both knew if they lost the team was out of the playoff race. That’s big for guys who are still new to the league. I mean 3 hits and 14 K’s in 14 IP is very impressive to say the least. Hopefully we’ll see both of these guys in September.

    • Smallz

      The 4 walks are a little concerning (as Dellins control always is) but 8Ks?? really? Thats very exciting. Definetley taking that as a big positive.

  • Joseph Cecala

    I think Banuelos and Dellin are having better years at AAA than AA SSS aside

    • Gonzo

      I know he’s persona non grata around these parts, but I think KLaw once said he thinks the talent at AA might be better than AAA.

      A lot of teams have no problem promoting from AA.

      • whozat

        I have no trouble believing that the talent at AA is better, but I think there’s something to be said for young pitchers facing hitters who’s been in the bigs, even a guy like Terry Tiffee or Chris Dickerson. Guys who have experience building a game plan for facing a pitcher, and who have the experience to adjust over the course of a game. Talented young guys that you might find in AA have never had to do that.

        • Gonzo

          Just to be clear, you think that talent in AA is better?

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            I think the talent in AA might be better, but I think the level of play in AAA is probably still higher, if that makes any sense. By way of illustration… I think Mason Williams, for example, is probably more talented than half the SWB roster, but he’s not as good as those guys right now.

            Those guys in AAA who are MiLB lifers, or AAAA players, are still better than just about every player in the lower levels, even those some of though players in the lower levels might be more talented.

            Kind of a tough concept to discuss when it’s not too long-considered, but hopefully that makes some sense, whether it’s right or wrong.

    • Nuke LaDoosh

      maybe, but they are developing too

    • HulkHeyman

      They were bored in AA.

  • Pablo Zevallos

    Oh jeez…who was that old meme referring to again? Was it Swish?

  • BK2ATL

    Sounds like the “overrated” kids are trying to show these 2011 Yanks at the MLB level how to beat a Boston team loaded with 25 Hall of Famers. LOL!!!

    These kids just might be alright. I think we should just let Cashman do what he’s doing. Seems like he’s on to something major here AND he knows it. Don’t rush them. Let them all develop.

    I could live with a 2012 rotation of CC, Hughes, Nova, Darvish/Colon/Garcia, Banuelos. With Montero in the main DH, backup C and 1B role.

    If not, how about 2013 – CC, Hughes, Kershaw, Banuelos, Nova/Betances?

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Kershaw’s not a free agent until after 2015.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Sorry, after 2014.

        • Nuke LaDoosh

          so, they’ll trade him in 2013 at the deadline

          • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Kershaw is a 23 year old lefty ace who’s probably going to win the Cy Young this year and could easily have another before 2013.

            He plays for a team in the second largest media market in the country for a franchise that Bud Selig will pry from Frank McCourt’s cold dead hands and serve up on a platter to some conglomeration of deep-pocketed LA media moguls. That new ownership group will inherit this generation’s Sandy Koufax. What do you think their first order of business will be?

            I won’t hold my breath on Kershaw being available anytime soon. He’s more untouchable than King Felix himself.

            • Nuke LaDoosh

              that’s definitely one possiblility. another is he makes it clear he is going to test the free agent market and they trade him while they can get a boatload back.

              • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                Let him test the FA market, then sign him to the biggest contract in pitching history when he does.

                The Dodgers will not be a poor, small-market franchise by 2015.

                And you don’t trade Kershaw for a boatload, you trade him for a fleet-load. You trade him for the Spanish Armada. I don’t know what team would possibly meet the Dodgers theoretical trade demands for Kershaw, which should be set at “franchise-crippling” at minimum.

                • Nuke LaDoosh

                  Really? So Kershaw is Cy Young (is Matt Kemp Willie Mays?)…an no rich team has ever lost out on a free agent?

      • BK2ATL

        My bad, I meant Danks.

        I was watching highlights, they brought up Kershaw, and I confused Kershaw with Danks. I believe Danks is due to be a FA after next season.

  • Jesse

    When does the next Baseball America Prospect list come out? Isn’t it right before Spring Training or what?

    • Avi

      Yeah. They start with each team’s top 10 right after the season and the top 100 comes out in February.

      • Jesse

        Sweet. Thanks.

  • Mattchu

    reading that about MannBan gives me goosebumps, or is it just me?

  • Dave

    YEAR 2010/2011

    AB 453/414
    AVE .289/.290
    OBP .353/.350
    2Bs 34/19
    3Bs 3/1
    HRs 21/18

    RBI 75/67
    BB 46/36
    Ks 91/97
    SLG .517/.471

    • Doug

      yeah, his numbers are falling right in line with last year. only “disappointing” things are his K rate and his power production; not the HR per se but the overall XBHs; e.g., ISO is down from .228 to .181

  • Dave

    Actually my point with the comparison is that they’re NOT falling in line with the last year — and for the exact reasons you mentioned. You’d expect improvement since this is his 2nd yr at the same level. I was hoping for a .300+ batting average along with 25 hrs and less Ks this year. It’s hard to call him this top power hitting prospect in the minors with less than 40 XBHs in over 400 ABs at the same level he played at last yr. Even a borderline prospect like Laird has more than 40 XBHs — and this is his 1st yr at AAA.

    • Ted Nelson

      It’s a somewhat disappointing year. We’ll have to see what, if anything, it means for his long-term production.

    • Eric

      Yes, but was Brandon Laird BORED? We clearly need to do an effort adjustment of Montero’s numbers to see what he would’ve done if he weren’t bored. And of course, those numbers would clearly be better than anything the Yankee DH’s have produced. Ergo, the Yankee front office is stupid.


      • Dave

        I think his numbers, defense and attitude will make him trade bait this off-season. And I think A-Rod will be doing a lot of DH’g next year. DH is not really an open full-time position on the Yankees going forward.