Rosenthal: Ownership pushed for Wandy

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Via Ken Rosenthal, the Yankees push to acquire Astros southpaw Wandy Rodriguez before yesterday’s trade deadline came from ownership and not Brian Cashman. The Yankees were willing to pay $21M of the $38M left on the southpaw’s deal, but Houston was only willing to pay the $2M he’s owed through the rest of the season plus another $5M if his 2014 player option was picked up. Ultimately, the two sides never got to the point of exchanging offers.

Meanwhile, a rival GM told Rosenthal that Cashman had seven untouchables. I’m guessing Jesus Montero, Dellin Betances, Manny Banuelos, Ivan Nova, Austin Romine, Brett Gardner, and … who’s the seventh? Obviously not Phil Hughes if they offered him Ubaldo Jimenez. Could it have been David Robertson?

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  • J.R.

    Eduardo Nunez.

    • daniel

      clearly

  • Bum Rush

    Seven untouchables? Of course they didn’t do a deal. Who wants to deal with that?

    I think it also says something about Cashman’s future. Why would he be so protective of the youth if he wasn’t going to be the one to see it develop?

  • Ivan

    I have a very hard time believing that Brian Cashman would have 7 young players who he will deem “untouchable”. I mean understand 3, maybe 4, but 7??? I just dont believe that in my opinion.

  • Frank

    I was thinking Sanchez, not Gardner, and couldn’t figure out the 7th…although maybe it is Gardner.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I can’t imagine a kid in Low-A would be untouchable, no matter how good they think he’ll be.

  • Jack Merridew

    Thank God ownership lost out. Why does ownership think it knows more about baseball than Cashman? Did they learn nothing from the Soriano deal? $21 million for a 4th starter at best. Who knows how we would have pitched in the AL East and if he would have even beaten out AJ/Nova/Hughes for the 4th playoff starter. Big waste of money it would have been.

    • Ted Nelson

      A. It’s their money. They’re a private organization as structured (I’d say there’s an argument they offer a public good and shouldn’t be legally granted monopoly power without having to answer to the people… but that’s another subject) and can spend their money how they see fit.

      B. “At best” and no. 4 starter don’t really go together. “At best” implies, you know, the best case scenario. Best case he’d thrive in Yankee Stadium and improve on his Houston performance.
      He went 7 IP 0 ER against Texas this season. 6 IP 2 ER at Toronto. 8 IP 0 ER against Milwaukee. 7 IP 3 ERs agaisnt Cinci and St Louis.
      I’m not sure what evidence you have that he would do significantly worse against an AL East schedule, because he’s had a bunch of strong starts against quality offenses this season.

      So… you probably should have chosen different words than “at best” there.

    • Jetrer

      that $21M would be for 3 1/3 seasons of at LEAST a number 4 starter. The Yankees pay more than that for middle relievers. That salary is by no means unreasonable for a #3-4 starter.

  • Ted Nelson

    Untouchable in a Wandy deal or overall?

    Weren’t there also rumors that Montero was available for Ubaldo? Not sure why that disqualifies Hughes and not Montero.

    • Jorge

      Where have you gone, Melvin Crousett?

  • The Fallen Phoenix

    Granderson? Swisher? Cano? No reason an untouchable couldn’t have been one of the younger or market-value veterans other teams could have shown interest in, no?

    • Preston

      Agreed, and I’ll take it a step further. The way the rumor mill guys report untouchable could mean anything. It means who we don’t want to trade, not who we don’t want to trade that others would actually want and afford. We might have deemed Sabathia and Rivera “untouchables”. Or this could all be made up because people want to make it seem like Cash was being unreasonable in trade talks (Yankee bashing is a pretty trendy thing in the media).

  • Jack Merridew

    Untouchable in certain deals, not overall. Wasn’t Montero offered up for Cliff Lee? He ain’t untouchable overall, just for what was on the market this year. If King Felix was available, all 7 of those guys would quickly become touchable and in a good way.

    • CP

      all 7 of those guys would quickly become touchable and in a good way.

      TWSS

  • Will (the other one)

    You forgot Jorge Vazquez.

  • vin

    The most untouchable should be CC.

    The 7th was probably Nunez.

    Also, how long before Mason Williams is deemed untouchable?

  • CS Yankee

    Dante and his .600 BA

    • Gonzo

      He can’t be traded for a little while. The earlierst would be a PTBNL sometime at the end of January. I think D-Bich’s first game was June 20th, so sometime around January 19th/20th prolly.

      So book it! January 20th, D-Bich for King Felix!

      • vin

        Felix AND Pineda. And Ackley too.

        • Gonzo

          That’s why I’ll never be a GM.

      • CS Yankee

        I find it hard to believe that the centerpiece in the Ubaldo deal isn’t ready for trade until 8-15…seems like the commish would have some conflict with that.

        • Gonzo

          Teams do it all the time. Tyler Skaggs with Haren was the same deal. There’s still a risk. What if Skaggs or Pomeranz blows something out in the mean time.

  • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

    Probably David Robertson. But what about Brett Marshall? He’s projected to be a top of the rotation starter.

    • Ben

      Brett Marshall is as untouchable as a $5 hooker

      • Gonzo

        C’mon, $5 hooker territory is for someone like Jorge Vasquez. Brett Marshall is at least a $100 around-the-world hooker.

        • Ben

          i suppose ur right… brett does have SOME potential

          • Jeff Dahmer Jr.

            All this hooker talk is making me hungry.

          • Ted Nelson

            I doubt he’s on the “untouchables” list and would say it’s more that he has a chance to be a top-of-the-rotation guy than projects to be one… but he definitely has potential. 3.36 FIP at 21 in High A.

            • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

              yeah i may have gone overboard with the untouchable with Marshall. But the kid has a ton of potential, and he’ll probably be in AA next season.

  • Tom Zig

    Preston Claiborne.

  • Ben

    Does the fact that Cash felt confident enuf to sit pat and rely on prospects mean he’s coming back (i hope so… for all the grief he’s gotten by yank fans, he has demonstrated patience and the balls to stand up against idiotic ownership).

    If he was planning on leaving or thought he’d be pushed out, wouldn’t he ditch prospects for 1 last hurrah? I certainly would. I wouldve emptied the farm and gotten Ubaldo and Bedard and then left in the off season with hopefully one more ring… What do i care about prospects if i’m leaving???

    • Rainbow Connection

      It just means you have no integrity as a human being.

      • Ben

        no. my hobby of shooting puppies means i have no integrity.

        trading the farm for a shot at a title in my last year is simply good timing.

    • Ted Nelson

      And then you’d never get another job for an MLB team again… not to mention you’d have made a totally classless decision.

  • CS Yankee

    Z: I wanted to call and confirm if you really had 7 “untouhables”?
    Cash: Yep
    Z: Ownership in-line with that?
    Cash: Yep
    Z: Levine?
    Cash: Who cares, Hal doesn’t listen to him.
    Z: Since when?
    Cash: Since we have cut 6M$ worth of checks for like 15 outs.
    Z: …what if I offered the King?
    Cash: I said untouchable…not untradeable.

    :::and scene:::

  • nathan

    I think Cash$$ would like to leave a few uber prospects and players that he oversaw develop and make the team… whether he is here next year or not, fans will acknowledge his part in the acquisition, plan and progress of these prospects… this doesnt in anyway prove that he is staying.

    7th : Mark prior … JK maybe JR Murphy

    • Ben

      Eh, i don’t really buy that… Relatively few people like those posting on boards like this give Gene Michael a lot credit for the 90s dynasty.

      I don’t think it means a whole lot… More GMs pull a Kazmir trade and walk out the door.

  • http://twitter.com/#!/KChinmaster KenC

    I can really see Cashman leaving after the season now. Ownership is just getting in the way of his job. Why did Hank, Levine, and Hal even sign Soriano? Just so Yankees could have a big name in the offseason?

    • Gonzo

      Two words:
      Scott Boras

      Why anyone interested in the almighty $ be represented by anyone else is beyond me.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/KChinmaster KenC

        So your saying Scott Boras convinced ownership? Oh how I miss the Boss

        • Gonzo

          I don’t know how he does it or what he does. He just does something. I mean Cash repeatedly said he had no interest in Soriano.

          Then BAM, almost overnight he has very nice deal with the Yankees. That guy is either the devil or a genius.

          • ADam

            You are dead on Ken C.. Randy could not keep his paws out of the pot

  • Steviedatsun

    They should’ve went after ja happ. I could’nt wait to hear giraldi call him happy

  • JonS

    The 7th untouchable was Zoilo Almonte. :)

  • yoo-boo

    Being 7 untouchables does not mean they will automatically be a Yankee. They would be traded for ONLY 100 percent healthy and legitimate player(s). I think the 7th one is Adam Warren since Cashman publicly falls in love with him.

    To people who claim the ownership is idiotic, the ownership DOES KNOW baseball better than us fans. The difference between the ownership plus Levine and Cashman is amounts of $$$$ Yankees willingly pay to contain a player.

    However, I still think the ownership and Levine should back off and let Cashman do the job completely. Good or Bad.

    • Jetrer

      ” the ownership DOES KNOW baseball better than us fans”
      owning a baseball team does not in any way mean the owners know baseball, it just means they are rich (or had a rich daddy)

  • JonS

    The 7th untouchable was Zoilo Almonte.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

    Do other organizations do this?

    • The Big City of Dreams

      What over hype prospects…..yes all the time

      Just kidding or am I

    • Ted Nelson

      Every team does this… no team is giving away players they don’t have to. Atlanta just did it with Houston. They got a 5 fWAR player without giving up any of their guys. None. Jordan Schafer hasn’t been a top prospect since 2008. And this is a team that’s loaded with young talent.

      It’s a negotiating ploy and it’s also a hearsay rumor… it doesn’t mean that those players are actually untouchable. It means that unless they’re getting a real impact player (probably at a favorable age with a favorable contract situation) they aren’t giving you those players… and even if they’re asking you for an impact player they’re hoping to sucker you the way the Braves (especially the Braves… Bourn without giving up any of their top prospects?) and Phillies did the Astros.

      Especially for Wandy… I mean the Astros just let their 2 best players go without getting a legit top prospect (return for Pence was solid, but Phillies had Dominic Brown)… from teams that do have legit top prospects. I would tell Ed Wade to screw off if he’s giving me a different pricing structure for Wandy than the deals he literally just made for Pence and especially Bourn. Given that he just took Jordan Schafer for Bourn… my offer would probably start with Brackman (kidding, but that’s about comparable).

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

        I meant the thing about owners going over the heads of their GMs.

      • Evan3457

        I thought Singleton and Cosart were considered to be top prospects. They’re both in the BA mid-season top 50.

        But of course you mean THE top prospect in that org.

  • pete

    If it’s a rival exec saying that, he’s probably referring to de facto untouchables (aka guys who aren’t going to be traded for any of the “available” players) rather than players who could never ever be traded. I’d guess the following:

    1. Cano
    2. Banuelos
    3. Montero
    4. Betances
    5. Gardner
    6, 7. Nova/Romine/Brackman?

    • http://twitter.com/#!/KChinmaster KenC

      6,7. Nova/Romine/Brackman?

      LOL

    • http://riveraveblues.com Rich

      BRACKMAN—-I’d trade him for a good batboy!!!

  • Mike Myers

    1. Cano
    2. Banuelos
    3. Montero
    4. Betances
    5. Gardner
    6. Romine
    7. Sean Connery?

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094226/fullcredits

    • Monteroisdinero

      Golson over Connery. Sean can’t throw.

  • Jon

    Stoneburner?

  • http://none Favrest

    Gardner is a very important part of this team now. As is Nunez. Jeter is washed up, and there’s no one else.

  • Pat D

    I’m gonna assume “ownership” meant Levine.

  • kenthadley

    I think it indicates Cashman is staying…if he was leaving he’d be more willing to move young talent to win now and cement his legacy. I also think “ownership” and Cash work like good cop/bad cop. These guys (the Stein bros and Cash) grew up together through the early nineties when Cash was an intern…they probably snook drinks when the old man wasn’t looking….I think they operate in total tandem, so much so that Cash felt no hesitation to publicly express his stance on the signing of Soriano, and the Bros had no qualms about letting him. I think he already knows he’s coming back because he has their complete confidence; these guys function more like peers than labor and management.

    • vin

      I actually agree with you.

  • Matt montero

    Cano, montero, romine, , banuelos, betances, gardner, nova? If colorado put nova in the same category as the others, teams must really value him

  • Dave

    There were 7 “untouchable” prospects.

    – Banuelos
    – Montero
    – Betances
    – Romine
    – Murphy
    – Sanchez
    – Nova

    Nova’s stock went up — while Brackman fell off the list.
    Nunez is/was available.

    • Plank

      Murphy?

      Why would the 4th best catching prospect in the Yankees system be untouchable when there is a competent starter in the majors and a potential all star in AA and AAA?

      • Dave

        He’s no longer considered only the 4th best. He’s made great strides defensively — and he’s the best pure hitter of the bunch.

        • Plank

          He’s a better pure hitter than Jesus Montero? I hadn’t realized that. Thanks for clearing that up.

          • Dave

            They believe that now. Montero hasn’t been the same hitter since reaching AAA. And they expected to see more power by now as well. Montero is a good hitter and has power — but maybe not quite to the level they initially thought. Murphy makes more contact, strikes out less — and they feel that he will hit for high average at every level. The rub on him was if he could stick at catcher or 3rd.

            • V

              Batshit insane.

            • TomG

              You’re loony

  • Jorge

    Where have you gone, Melvin?

  • mike c

    our prospects are simply too good to trade for damaged goods… wandy would have been nice to have in the bullpen but not with that contract

  • noseeum

    Last untouchable was Posada. Cashman told everyone he had 6 untouchables, and they all told him, “no, you actually have 7.”

  • Phil

    Damon Oppenheimer seems to just be getting better & better at his job & should be an untouchable; his last two drafts have been outstanding. The Yankees should give him whatever it takes to remain w/the organization as its scouting director.

    • noseeum

      They could give him the GM job, and he’d probably stay. Sounds good to me. Seems about time for Cashman to enjoy a break from the game for a bit.

      I don’t mean that Cashman stinks and needs to go. Just that he’s had a long run, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he decided to go.

  • Jonathan

    I can’t believe I’m the first to suggest this but how about Mariano Rivera?

  • http://www.twitter.com/hulkheyman HulkHeyman

    I would say hughes is the 7th, no team would touch that guy not even with a 10 ft pole..

  • Hardy

    I think the Astros’ numbers are ok for a pure salary dump (no prospects). I would do this if one of the top 3 goes down in August.

  • AC

    I honestly felt there wasn’t a starter out there that was better than what we have now I’m glad Cash didn’t do Ubaldo deal. I think ownership wanted to do something just like Soriano deal