Open Thread: Go O’s


I feel dirty saying this, but I’m pulling for Buck Showalter and the Orioles tonight. Baltimore already beat the Red Sox this afternoon, and they’ve got the second game of their doubleheader tonight. After all the stupid stuff Showalter has said this year, after all the “disrespecting Flanny” nonsense, I’m in your corner Buck. Now put your money where you mouth is.

Here’s your open thread, folks. If you want to watch said Orioles-Red Sox matchup (Matusz vs. Lackey), it’ll be on MLB Network. You also have Monday Night Football in New Jersey for the Giants and Rams. Pretty good night for sports. Talk about whatever you want here, have at it.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Craig says:

    Trivia Question of the Day: Who were the 10 Japanese pitchers to debut before Ichiro made his?

  2. Tom Zig says:

    So if the Orioles win tonight, the magic number for both the division and the playoffs will be at 4.

  3. Mike r says:

    What’s our magic number to clinch? Can’t believe Boston is finishing the season like they started.. Smh

  4. Delaware - Ralph says:

    Maybe I am a total jerk right now. I am sitting in my theater night class (I am a business major – this is torture) but reading the sky has fallen comments is making class a little easier.

    • Delaware - Ralph says:

      “It’s time to call it. Sox DOA 9/19/2011. Move over Yankees we have the biggest chokers in baseball history. What a debacle. I’ve been a Sox fan for 30 years and lived through 86′, 03′ and everything in between. This is the most disappointed I’ve ever been with a Sox team. One that just folded and went home with a month left. Bunch of soft, quitters. I’m rooting for Detroit in October.”

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        And, of course, if the Sox hold on and somehow make a fine playoff run, that writer will be one of the first to apply revisionist history and act like that never happened.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Did they forget 2006? I mean they’re still leading the Wild Card, and they have six games left against the Os and the Rays have seven left against the Yankees. This isn’t exactly rocket science.

  5. Kramerica Industries says:

    Matusz vs. Lackey

    Open the floodgates.

  6. Karl Krawfid says:

    nice start for da O’s

  7. Delaware - Ralph says:

    “I don’t think its Gonzales surgically repaired shoulder that has weakened…I think it is testicles that shrunk to the size of a pea from the pressure of the stretch run for the post season…..this guy completely went away after the all star break when he had like 85 RBI’s and he finishes with what 115…whats up with that…at least crawford was consistent and stunk all year……”

  8. Karl Krawfid says:

    1-0 O’s

  9. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    haha 1-0 O’s already!

  10. Tom Zig says:

    Good start for the Orioles.

  11. Karl Krawfid says:

    3-0 LOL!

  12. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    haha Red Sox FAIL.

  13. Cy Pettitte says:

    LOL Lackey

    the ship is sinking, and it’s sinking fast.

  14. Tom O says:

    Jason Varitek winning the lead glove award this series.

  15. SevenAces says:

    LOL @ Bossux! This is hilarious.

  16. FachoinaNYY says:

    Not a bad start O’s

  17. Kramerica Industries says:


  18. smurfy says:

    Oh, shit, the hilarity is bubbling up and I can’t contain it. That’s what Lackey said, oh shit, after his heroic throw, just at the same time as me.

  19. FachoinaNYY says:

    Wow Lackey/Lackey’s contract is the only thing that makes Burnett/Burnett’s contract look good.

  20. Zanath says:

    It’s the battle of the suck! Who will suck less: Matusz or Lackey?

  21. Nuke LaDoosh says:

    The only bad thing about that inning is at this rate Lackey will be out of the game in the 3rd and I wanted his suckness to provide length this evening…

  22. FachoinaNYY says:

    Its so frustrating that we have to play the Rays so many times over the rest of the season… Its going to be really hard for them to pull this off.

  23. Guest says:

    I think AJ owes Lackey a christmas present, or at least a thoughtful card.

    Nobody in the majors has done more to make AJ look better…

  24. Icebird753 says:

    Be careful what you wish for…the Rays are easily more of an October threat than is Boston, especially with their pitching staff…

    • Guest says:

      This is definitely true.

      Lester/Injured/Beckett/Injured Bedard/Lackey/Wakefield/Weiland not quite Shields/Price/Hellickson.

    • Rookie says:

      Amen. Tampa Bay’s pitching right now — since the All Star break — is nothing anybody should want to face. They might be at a big disadvantage in a five-game series against Detroit having to face Verlander twice. But they would appear to be a nightmare of an opponent in a seven-game series.

      And if Beckett and Lester pitch to form, Boston wouldn’t be a walk in the park — even if Bedard doesn’t surprise.

      The best scenario for the Yankees, I think, is for the Red Sox to win, but to not be able to line up their pitching or rest their players. Then, whether the Yankees face Boston or Detroit in the LCS, they’ve got a 50/50 shot anyway — although they should probably be big underdogs in the games pitched by Lester and Beckett or Verlander and Fister.

      Just my two cents worth.

      But I agree with your point. I think Tampa Bay would be a nightmarish opponent at this point.

      • JimIsBored (Jim S) says:

        I don’t think Tampa would be any worse than Texas/Detroit, but yeah, I’m not sure whether I’d want to face Boston or Tampa at this point.

        • Rookie says:

          I don’t think Texas or Detroit would be a walk in the park — especially not Detroit in a five-game series probably facing Verlander twice. (And why do I expect Texas to run circles around the Yankees like they’re a bunch of geriatric patients in the post season if they play each other?)

          But go to ESPN and check out the stats on Tampa’s pitching after the All Star break. It’s truly nasty.

          Again, Beckett and Lester are no walk in the park either. But you can hope that Bedard won’t rise to the occasion, that Crawford won’t remember who he is, and that Youklis, Gonzalez, and possibly even Ortiz will continue to play (or not play) like they’re banged up, injured, or exhausted.

          I think Tampa is the scariest of the alternatives in a seven-game series — with Detroit or Boston probably being the scariest in a five-game series.

  25. Champagne_whores says:

    The formula
    Win two in the next rays series
    Beat boston two Al east winner
    Lay down to rays for final series = rays wc BOSTON DEAD.

  26. jay h says:

    lol the comments on overthemonster’s game thread are great.

  27. Karl Krawfid says:


  28. Ron says:

    Agreed Icebird753. At this point the RS starters are such a cluster-f@&$ id rather see them get in.

  29. Kramerica Industries says:

    Matusz trying to give it back.

    Hah, time to buckle in…

  30. Karl Krawfid says:

    Poor Brian.

    All those innings last year have caught up with him.

  31. pop up teixeira says:

    final score will be 12-10 orioles

  32. JimIsBored (Jim S) says:

    We think we have it bad with Hughes. I can’t imagine how O’s fans feel about Matusz.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      They’ve never felt success so they really don’t know what they should be feeling. To them this isn’t worse than how they feel any other time they lose a game.

      • JimIsBored (Jim S) says:

        Don’t really agree. Matusz pitched extremely well last season and gave a team with no hope some (false)hope. To have visions of happiness dashed for seemingly no reason has to be awful.

        Plus I sort of lied. I live near Bmore, i know darn well how depressed the fans(there aren’t a lot who talk about the O’s anymore) are about Matusz specifically. They’re resigned to lose games started by people like Jo Jo Reyes and Tommy Hunter, but when their young players suck, it hurts more.

  33. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Matusz blows so I wouldn’t be surprised if the Boston comes back, they’re only down two. Hell he could give it back this inning.

  34. Tyrion Lannister says:

    Buck’s gotta pull Matusz. I don’t know why they keep trotting him out there.

  35. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:


  36. CBean says:

    Matusz might win the suckiest pitcher contest.

  37. Kramerica Industries says:


  38. Brian S. says:

    Can they not have this dead-armed giraffe looking motherfucker pitch against Boston? What a joke.

  39. Karl Krawfid says:

    Dude has one pitch.

    One pitch.

  40. Nuke LaDoosh says:

    Far cry from Palmer-Tiant.

  41. Zooboy says:

    Matusz = buzzkill.

  42. pop up teixeira says:

    oh well, so much for the lead

  43. theyankeewarrior says:

    Brian Matusz is absolute garbage. I hope they shut him down for the season because he has no shot to help the O’s vs. this lineup.

  44. Kramerica Industries says:

    Matusz has given up at least 5 ER in his last six games. Only once did he not have an ERA over 9 for an individual game.

    How can the O’s not see that something is clearly wrong with him?

  45. DERP says:

    I wonder if Mike is still a Matusz fan. I do feel bad for Matusz though.

    He had (has?) the potential to be something special.

  46. Andrew says:

    Am I the only one that would prefer the sox backing into the playoffs over the rays rolling in?

    • Rookie says:

      Definitely not. I’m with you 100% Andrew — as are Icebird and Guest. No one in their right mind would want to face the pitching of Tampa Bay right now. The only team I know of that I think would have the upper hand against that team right now on paper would be Philadelphia with its three or four aces.

      • Brian S. says:

        Good think the ALCS is a month away. I think it would be stupid to want to face Boston and their offense; and Becket, Lester, Bedard is almost as good as what the Rays are throwing out there.

        • Andrew says:

          I think our offense can match boston’s and our weak pitching outside of CC would fare better against the rays.

        • Rookie says:

          In terms of Beckett and Lester at #1 and #2, I agree with you Brian.

          But beyond that, Bedard is a complete unknowable. He could be great or he could be awful. And the Red Sox don’t have a #4 they can count on or a super strong long man beyond Aceves.

          But again, I don’t think facing Boston would be a walk in the park. I don’t think ANY team the Yankees are likely to face in the post season this year looks like a push over — not with the Yankees’ pitching beyond CC being what it is.

  47. Jimmy McNulty says:

    I just saw a picture of Lindsay Lohan and her mom making out.

  48. I don’t know if I should feel sorry for Matusz, or pity the Orioles organization. If I was Matusz though, I’d want to get the hell away from the Orioles and possibly the AL altogether.

  49. Nuke LaDoosh says:

    Hah Hah, now I hope the Sux lose by only 1 run.

  50. Craig says:

    What’s the general rule of thumb when it comes to playoff gear? Sure, people wanna go out to get “AL East Champions 2011″ but it’s wasted if they lose in the first or second round. Personally, I only get merchandise if they make it past the ALDS and am in no rush. Why bother with an AL Champions shirt? You might as well get a shirt that says “Second Place Champions!”

  51. theyankeewarrior says:

    I think I would have rather seen any other MLB pitcher face Boston tonight than Matusz and his 12 era.

  52. Sheepmeister says:

    Personally, I don’t think it will matter who wins the Red Sox and Rays WC chase. The Yankees wouldn’t face either of them until the ALCS. By that time, they already won 3 out of 5 and may have gotten on a hot streak. No matter who the Yankees face on their way to the WS championship, it won’t be easy.

  53. Karl Krawfid says:

    okay I can turn this off.

    Why didn’t the O’s just start Jobabosskus?

  54. ItsATarp says:

    Matsuz might be the worst pitcher in the league

  55. Karl Krawfid says:

    Anyone see that home run Mike Stanton just hit.

    Jesus Christ.

  56. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards says:

    ok lets trade the 3 game Red Sox series to the Rays for BJ Upton & one of the 3 games vs Toronto.

    Fair trade. But if they want Mitre as well, I won’t argue.

  57. Rookie says:

    I think that’s a good question, Karl.

    I think the only good answer is that he’s not stretched out. But doing anything at all to avoid pitching Matusz seems like it would be a good idea.

  58. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Lackey starting to revert to form.

  59. Bill says:

    Don Orsillo’s bland voice is annoying.

  60. CBean says:

    it’s ok, Lackey is still Lackey. He can blow this yet.

  61. Jesse says:

    Hahahaha this Orioles/Sox game is priceless.
    Lackey mows the first two, then he strikes out Vlad, but old man Varitek fails to throw the ball to first in time so Vladdy reaches. A single, Vlad goes from first to third (!!!) a walk and a bloop 2 RBI hit. It’s only the third inning and I’m lmao.

  62. The Constant Gardner says:

    This is too funny to watch.

  63. Jerome S. says:

    The final score of this game is definitely going to be like 14-13 or something like that.

  64. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    They would’ve had Lowrie if Tatum didn’t make a Varitek throw.

  65. Kramerica Industries says:

    Lackey vs. Matusz

    Sometimes, you CAN predict baseball.

  66. Nuke LaDoosh says:

    Walter Matthau must be fuming on the bench.

  67. JobaWockeeZ says:

    At least someone is our division also sucks at developing pitchers. Except they always get top 5 picks.

  68. Kramerica Industries says:

    O’s reciprocating the two out, multi-run rally.

  69. Jesus Freak says:

    Baltimore is doing everything they can to give the game away.

    Lackey is doing everything he can to give the game away.

    It’s a titanic struggle at suckatude.

  70. Chen Meng Wang says:

    Good evening everyone…idk if anybody’s watching the Giant game but Eli’s gotta do a better job of looking off the safety on that throw.

  71. CBean says:

    Wow the O’s are really terrible.

  72. Kramerica Industries says:

    Red Sox might score 30 runs tonight.

    O’s will come up about 10 runs short.

  73. The Constant Gardner says:

    Yeah, the O’s totally have this one in the bag. Might as well start warming up Kevin Gregg.

  74. Jerome S. says:

    The O’s couldn’t buy an out.

  75. tom says:

    1) Between Lackey & the Boston bullpen, this game is still not locked down.

    2) Letting Tampa get within one loss, with this many games left, means the damage has been done today, regardless of how the second game ends. And Boston can hardly say to itself, “Well, we’re back in the saddle”, simply because they manhandled one of the worst pitchers in baseball. They’ve still got to look at their ongoing suckitude, and realize that, the way they’re going, every single game is a looming loss. They’ll be playing scared right to the end.

  76. Rey22 says:

    Wow, I leave the game for 30 minutes, it goes from 4-3 Sox to 11-5. This lead is even Lackey proof I’d say. Oh well, at least they won game 1.

  77. Chen Meng Wang says:

    Hakeem Nicks is a beast.

  78. Esteban says:

    As bad as Burnett is, he’s no John Lackey, and we should be thankful for that.

  79. JFH says:

    The O’s pitching staff was not this generous with us recently.

  80. Esteban says:

    Giants defense not looking good so far

    • Chen Meng Wang says:

      I heard a great quote about Sam Bradford earlier today…I think it was Drent Dilfer “Sam’s a good quarter back 20-20 but a great quarter back is made in the Red Zone, and he just hasn’t done that yet.” So far once we’ve gotten inside the 20 we’ve shut him down.

  81. JFH says:

    MASN sportscasters just took a pot shot at the Yankees. Jealousy breeds enmity.

  82. Chen Meng Wang says:

    Good challenge by Tom :)

  83. Sarah says:

    What are the odds we see a Lackey v. Burnett match up this weekend? Could be epic.

  84. Chen Meng Wang says:

    Manningham’s gotta catch that ball…

  85. Karl Krawfid says:

    O’s are showing heart.

    I am shocked.

  86. JFH says:

    11-8. Lackey out.

  87. Tyrion Lannister says:

    LOL Lackey! 11-8 now!

  88. Tom Zig says:

    8 ER by Lackey. Yikes

  89. Jesus Freak says:

    Lackey getting boooed as his comes off the field.


  90. Sarah says:

    Who is taking over for Lackey since Aceves pitched this afternoon? Albers? Someone else terrible?

  91. JFH says:

    Does the WPA graph change when Lackey is removed from a game?

  92. Kramerica Industries says:

    Lackey is incredible.

    It takes a bulldog to keep letting the O’s back within a striking distance – until their failpen gives up six runs in the bottom half of the inning to put it back out of reach.

  93. Guest says:

    I know its fun to watch the LOLsox implosion, but, being that we are Yankee fans first…we HAVE to root for the Sox to keep the Rays out, right? Again, you never want to wish for an opponent b/c that opponent just may jump and beat you (see ’06 Tigers and ’07 Indians).

    But after Lester (who has not been great recently), they have a hurt Beckett and absolutely nothing else. I mean, Lackey is their game three starter unless both Beckett and Bedard are healthy. Lackey. Game three.

    And the odds of both Beckett and Bedard being healthy at the same time are…slim.

    Given this, we have to root for the Sox to keeps Rays out, right? (And yet I find myself rooting for the O’s to come back tonight.)

  94. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    According to Jerry Remy, Marianah Rivura got his 602nd save today.

  95. Chen Meng Wang says:

    OMG this game is only in the 5th?!

  96. Sarah says:

    Orioles reliever sucking.

  97. Craig says:

    Quick question. How many hours should a full-time college student work?

    • Chen Meng Wang says:

      In a perfect world, 0. If you have to have a job though I’d say no more than 20-25…I tried full time school and work, it’s tough.

    • Sarah says:

      Is there some sort of rule of thumb for this? I would think it depends rather widely on the financial situation, class schedule, course load, etc.

      • Craig says:

        I pay for my own education (roughly $2500 for 15 credits worth, 5 classes. Yes, it’s a community college.) But my issue is my boss always puts me on for 30+ and I get other workers to pick up my shifts to which point my management gets pissed at me, yet they know I’m in school.

        • Sarah says:

          I’d look for a different job. Easier said than done, I realize.

        • Chen Meng Wang says:

          I’m in basically the same situation you are…and it’s tough. Life’s different for everybody obviously but what I’m doing is taking a semester off, working full time and saving, so I can afford to go to school while only working 20hrs a week.

          • Craig says:

            That’s a nice concept, but considering I slacked off my whole senior year in high school it’d be VERY hard to get back into study mode from there on out for me….

            • Chen Meng Wang says:

              I hear yah, and getting back into the studious mode is very hard but I’ve done it before. Since your in community college have you ever thought about doing school part time, taking three or four classes instead of 5 or 6?

              • Craig says:

                I’ve considered it, but I’m not a fan of summer and winter classes really- Also, I want to get my credits and move up the college ladder so to speak….I know someone who went to community college for 5.5 years (!!!)

                • Chen Meng Wang says:

                  As sad as it is that’s much more common than you’d think…I’ve been in for 3 years and I’ve only got 36 credits to my name..when your paying for yourself it can take a while.

  98. Rey22 says:

    My God, what the hell happened to John Lackey? I didn’t expect him to be Cy Young when he signed with the Sox, but something around a 4.50 ERA sounded reasonable for him. Has there been a worse starter in the bigs this year? He’s made AJ look good.

  99. Chen Meng Wang says:

    The Giants have converted one third down ONE(!!!) to this point in the season…

  100. Rey22 says:

    Well, if nothing else, even if the Sox make they playoffs their bullpen has been overworked a lot, especially lately. Can’t see them making it past the first round. (Of course, in the playoffs anything can happen if a team gets hot at the right time.)

  101. Chen Meng Wang says:

    What is Vlad thinking there?!

  102. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    what the fuck was Vlad doing?

  103. Jesse says:

    WTF was Vlad doing?

  104. Sarah says:

    11-9! Let’s go Os!

  105. This game is the meaning of predictable baseball.

  106. Chen Meng Wang says:

    Jason Veritek: Not good at baseball.

  107. Rey22 says:

    I am going to die laughing if the Orioles manage to win this game. Creeping closer…

  108. Chen Meng Wang says:

    Mario Manningham: Rocks for hands.

  109. Chen Meng Wang says:

    Dominick Hixon Just saved an under-thrown ball and turned it into six for the G-men.

  110. ESPN Color Commentary says:

    I have to say, Buck has “hit the right buttons” with his bullpen, completely shutting down the Red Sox for the last three innings, “putting his players into positions in which they can succeed”. This is the sort of gritty managing that Baltimore has been searching for.

  111. Sarah says:

    This double header is burning through the bullpens of these teams.

  112. Jesse says:

    Fuck, Jacoby Dingleberry with an inside the parker…

    Best center fieldah evahhh
    /Sox fan’d

  113. mbonzo says:

    This is the worst defense I’ve seen this year. Orioles are ridiculously bad.

  114. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Only the Orioles…

  115. Jesse says:

    So much for this Orioles comeback…..
    I blame Buck…

  116. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    Boston is going to win this game and their stupid fans will see it as a gritty, come from behind victory…the stuff champions are made of…

  117. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    where the hell did ellsbury get this power? he’s hit at least twice as many dingers this year as his entire career.

  118. Nuke LaDoosh says:

    What the hell did Buck just write down ? (“We Suck!)

  119. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    Let’s see if Bard can hold this lead…

    Conor Jackson..greatest platoon OF evahhhh!

  120. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Harold Reynolds on MLBN saying essentially that you shouldn’t swing 3-0 when you’re being no-hit.

    • Jesse says:

      Is someone throwing a no-no?

      • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

        yea Cory Lubke was and Mark Ellis hit a homer in an 8-0 game that broke it up and he went off on how you should never swing 3-0 in a game like that while being no hit and how it’s better to bunt in a game like that than swing 3-0

        (the big fail is that Ellis actually hit a 3-1 pitch out)

        • Chen Meng Wang says:

          I used to be a fan of Harold Renyolds but he’s basically just become a recurring fail whenever he opens his mouth…

        • Foghorn Leghorn says:

          that “unwritten rule” is bush league…the offense’s job is to get on base and score. just b/c a guy is no hitting you doesn’t mean you lay down and give up.

          sometimes baseball players cna be the biggest sissy bitches.

          • Chen Meng Wang says:

            If the Yankees were being no-hit and it was getting to be the 6th or 7th inning and Gardner is up. If the defense is playing back I think every Yankee and Yankee fan would be screaming for him to lay down a bunt.

    • Chen Meng Wang says:

      He also said the day before the trade dead line “There is no way, none, that the Yankees make the playoffs if they don’t make a big move before the deadline. I’m not talking a small time bench piece here, I’m talking a blockbuster move.”

  121. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    Jose Iglasias is in the game…I thought there was a rule that HOF players couldn’t play anymore once inducted.

  122. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    this game goes down as a loss for the Sox…give up 9 runs to the lowly O’s, your starter can’t hold a huge lead and get out of the 5th…and they have to use 5 relievers on top of the mess from game 1.

  123. Kramerica Industries says:

    Red Sox 3-5 on their home stand.

    Run diff? +9

    That’s what 18-6 and 18-9 wins will do.

  124. Chen Meng Wang says:

    Tom Coughlin is the best at Challenging plays.

  125. mbonzo says:

    Did the refs just call unnecessary roughness on one playfully tap-hugging another?

  126. Pat D says:

    Magic numbers now stand at 4, 5, and 7. Take (at least) 2 from Tampa and (at least) 2 from Boston.

    Should be in good shape then.

  127. Chen Meng Wang says:

    How can they say “everything is up in the air” in the AL…The Yankees are a virtual lock to make the playoffs, and the Tigers clinched. The West is barely a race…the only thing that’s at all interesting is if the Rays are going to overtake the Sox as the Wildcard.

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