Open Thread: World Series Game Five


How about that Derek Holland kid? That was his Andy Pettitte, Game Five of the 1996 World Series moment right there, which is pretty cool because apparently he idolizes Pettitte; Andy texted him a congratulations after the game. Only one non-Lance Berkman hitter managed to hit the ball out of the infield off Holland, and the Cardinals offense doesn’t suck. We’re down to a best-of-three series now, which is great news for those of us that want to see a Game Seven.

Here’s your open thread for the evening. It’s Chris Carpenter vs. C.J. Wilson at 8pm ET on FOX tonight, plus you’ve got Monday Night Football (Ravens at Jaguars, 8:30pm ET on ESPN) and the (hockey) Rangers in action. Talk about anything you want here, it’s all fair game.

Oh by the way, that’s a neat little (well, not little, it’s nearly 15 minutes long) video of World Series highlights through the years. The Yankees are well represented, both good and bad, as you probably expect.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. MannyGeee says:

    So, on Boston radio today… On my drive home:

    1. If Ortiz leaves the Red Sox, he will hit 40 HRs in Pinstripes
    2. The Sox ‘could potentially’ make room om their roster and wallets for Pujols, although Reyes would be the more prudent move
    3. If CC opts out (more like when) the Sox should not pursue him, as he would be a different pitcher in Fenway (like an 18-10 guy instead of a 21-7 guy)… And oh by the way he’s fat.

    And then I switched the channel before I got to the part of my commute with a lot of bridges….

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Well Ortiz has really good power and is a lefty. So at Yankee Stadium 40 homers isn’t impossible to do. The Pujols and Reyes musing are both batshit insane. And long term contracts are very very scary so I don’t blame anyone.

    • Tom Zig says:

      What would they do? Sign Pujols, shift A-Gon to third and make Youk DH? Righhtt.

      And them signing Reyes would be hilarious.

    • Brian S. says:

      After arbitration Boston will be at 150 million dollars. That’s without Ortiz, Papelbon, Scutaro (buyout included), Wheeler, Varitek, and Wakefield. They have never spent more than 170 million dollars on opening day payroll so I would assume that’s about where they will end up. I don’t see how they bring back Ortiz AND Papelbon let alone upgrade their rotation or puruse Reyes/Pujols without drastically increasing their payroll.

  2. Kiersten says:

    So they showed the Red Sox winning in both ’04 (understandable)and ’07, but didn’t show the Yankees winning in ’96, ’98, ’99, ’00 or ’09.

    I take it that’s because the Yankees winning the World Series doesn’t even count as a highlight.

    • Greg says:

      If you are talking about the video up there, they showed Leyritz’s home run in 1996 and the double steal by Damon in 2009

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        I’d put in a shh narrative comment here but it’s pretty annoying.

        • Kiersten says:

          Uh, why don’t you both read my comment again?

          • Greg says:

            If you mean in terms of the celebrations, it was probably the most exciting part of those two World Series’s given they were sweeps.

            They want to show the big highlights from each series, not all the celebrations.

          • JobaWockeeZ says:

            I got it but someone usually does the narrative comment which is tiresome after the millionth time. Didn’t really talk about the veracity of your comment.

  3. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Every time I see CJ Wilson pitch, it makes me even sadder that the Yankees won’t let Joba be a starter…

  4. Darren says:

    Ian Kinsler has played like crap this series. If I could think of a really bad fielding Yankees second baseman I would name check him, but I can’t think of any. Please don’t mention Soriano. He was inconsistent but had flashes of brilliance.

    And if you think Cano isn’t a gold glover, you’re a racist. :)

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Tony Womack was awful, wasn’t he? He had to be.

    • Urban says:

      I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here, but Kinsler is a very good fielder, better than Cano.

    • nsalem says:

      Steve Sax

    • BK2ATL says:

      Wasn’t Chuck Knoblauch a 2B….?

      It makes me laugh that people really think Cano is any less a fielder because he isn’t “gritty.” He covers more ground than Kinsler and the gnome from Boston combined. And he has the best arm for a 2B in MLB. Someday he’ll get some respect.

    • Brian S. says:

      Kinsler is actually amazing on defense. Only Zobrist, Pedroia, and Utley have been better defensively since 2009.

      • bankers hours says:

        Cano makes plays Kinsler could only dream about. He’s clearly the best defensive second baseman in baseball and because he’ll hit in a better spot next yr he’s got a real chance to be MVP. Scary that Cashman offered either Cano or J Arias in the Soriano/Arod deal in 2003. Thank God Texas chose Arias. I wish Girardi would change the lineup for Cano next year with more l/r balance. I’d like to see Jeter/Grandy/Arod/Cano/Tex/Montero/Swisher/Martin/Gardner. I think this lineup helps Tex and Arod with Cano between them.

  5. Mike Axisa says:

    Rangers shooting themselves in the foot by bobbling balls.

  6. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Eduardo Nunez would look like a gold glover on the Rangers.

  7. FachoinaNYY says:

    Derek Holland is kinda the shit.

    That Harry Carrey was pretty damn awesome. Would much prefer him to these buffons calling this game.

  8. Mike Axisa says:

    Holland’s impression of Will Ferrell’s impression of Harry Caray sucked.

  9. Urban says:

    Nice shot from Moreland. Good thing, because as far as I can tell, he is not good with the glove.

  10. Greg says:

    Rangers are beginning to push

  11. Mike Axisa says:

    Man, walking the eight and nine hitters to lead off an inning in the World Series is as bad as it gets. So, naturally, TLR tries to out-dumb CJ Wilson by having Furcal bunt.

  12. jay h says:

    It’s a power play goal

  13. Mike Axisa says:

    In a shocking turn of events, the sacrifice bunt didn’t work.

  14. Nick says:

    Come on Rangers I want 7 games

  15. BK2ATL says:

    Did CJ Wilson do anything to increase/decrease his FA value tonight? I know he got out of some jams tonight, but he kept getting in them too. I just wasn’t that impressed. Last night, Derek Holland looked like the ace.

    Another question. Do you think Matt Holliday has been worth that monster contract he signed last year? Personally, I’m glad the Yanks stayed out of that one.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      He’s hit .305/.389/.529 since signing the deal.

      • BK2ATL says:

        I know what the stats say, but anything of significance? They just ring pretty hollow to me. He does pile up the stats every year.

        I’ll just continue with my thought pattern. His contract had better not be the reason that Pujols signs elsewhere. Pujols puts the team on his back. Everyone else rides along. I just don’t think Holliday does that. Show up at the big moment.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          He hit .316/.398/.553 with RISP this year. I’m not sure what you’re getting at, that he’s not Albert Pujols? No one is.

          • Brian S. says:

            Yeah Holliday has been amazing the last two years. Question for you Mike, would we have been a better team the last two years with Holliday in left, Gardner in center, and Ian Kennedy still in the rotation? I love Granderson, he’s one of my favorite players, but I want to know what you think of that.

          • BK2ATL says:

            Please pay me no mind on this. I’ve just always been indifferent to Holliday’s stats. To me, they ring hollow.

            I’m pretty sure the RISP opps for Holliday hitting behind Pujols were plentiful. Then there’s Berkman behind him. I just never got the Holliday hype.

            Again, pay me no mind.

  16. Greg says:

    Stupid decision by Craig to steal.

  17. Greg says:

    I know its hindsight but that makes the decision by Craig even more questionable.

  18. Mike Axisa says:

    You gotta love this two out rally. Intentional walk, single, runner moves to second on the throw home, intentional walk.

  19. Karl Krawfid says:

    I thought only the Yankees had games like this.

  20. jay h says:

    It’s another Power Play goal.

  21. Nick says:

    im liking this game. sure as hell beats the jags v ravens stinker

  22. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Bunting with Molina at second is unfathomably dumb.

  23. Greg says:

    Wait a minute, so Pujols put on his own hit and run?

  24. Jesse says:

    Binder says bunt.

    • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

      I feel comfortable saying that if the Yankees made it to the WS, the Girardi/TLR matchup would set a postseason record for most sac bunts and pitching changes in a postseason series.

  25. Esteban says:

    Oh yay, there’s gonna be more deification for Michael Young.

  26. Esteban says:

    Dotel cannot throw and IBB. LOL

  27. Brian S. says:

    Cardinals are about to get fucked.

  28. Jesse says:

    So with the Colts 62-7 loss, should the Colts fire coach Jim Caldwell?

    • The Big City of Dreams says:

      No they will keep him and draft Luck if they get the first pick.

    • Nick says:

      i think they kind of have to

    • BK2ATL says:

      Nah, the team mailed it in when Peyton was pronounced out for the year. The mgmt decided to bring in Kerry Collins, which screwed up the existing team chemistry at that point. Can’t put that on the coach.

      The team, including the defense, is built around Peyton’s leadership. By controlling the offense, he always controls how the defense is needed. That’s how hey were able to get by with Freeney and Saunders as their playmakers for so long. Neck injuries are nothing to scoff at, esp. for a QB. One strange hit, and you’re talking about lifetime issues. I don’t know if Peyton plays again.

      Now, it’s just a race to Andruw Luck.

      • Jesse says:

        Great points. And yeah, it’s not a guarantee at all that Peyton comes back. What’s it, three neck surgeries in a span of 18 months for an aging QB? Yikes.

  29. Sarah says:

    Cards have left 11? Ouch.

  30. Mike Axisa says:

    And the IBB comes around to score.

  31. Sarah says:

    God. I hate Mike Napoli so much.

  32. Greg says:

    That could be the series for the Rangers. I dont see the Cardinals coming back from a 3-2 deficit

  33. Jesse says:

    And Mike Scioscia cringes even more.

  34. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Tony LaRussa really fucked this game up. All those bunts and the IBB come back to hurt the Cards.

  35. Brian S. says:

    Fuck the Rangers. Getting outplayed and winning.

  36. jon says:

    who would have thought batting your best hitter 8th was a good idea

    maybe torre wasnt crazy after all

  37. swishers fauxhawk says:

    Why the fuck do you bring in a new pitcher just to issue an intentional walk?

  38. Mike Axisa says:

    Hahaha, did he just use Lynn to for one batter, an intentional walk?

  39. BK2ATL says:

    If Texas holds on to win this game, I don’t see a Chris Carpenter-less Cards team having the firepower to hold off the Texas offense in both of the next two games.

  40. Jesse says:

    C’mon Feliz, blow this save….

  41. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    I’m wouldn’t be at all surprised if TLR has Pujols bunt here…

    /only half kidding

    • tom says:

      Insisting on the hit and run there was in the same territory as bunting — it was based on this overwhleming fear of the double play, and it took Pujols out of his game. (As others have said, he probably swung at ball four at least once) They need two runs; why not let the hitters swing away instead of tying them down with “strategy”?

  42. Esteban says:

    Awesome. Pujols against Feliz with the possibility to tie the game. Baseball’s great.

  43. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    They shoulda pinch-ran Gerald Laird.

  44. Greg says:

    That was ball 4

  45. Nick says:

    Feliz made Pujols look bad there. Napoli current WS MVP?

  46. Esteban says:

    Yea Jeff Mathis’ D is totally worth giving up Mike Napoli. Totally.

  47. BK2ATL says:

    That Feliz kid got a pair of nuts on him. Struck out Pujols on outside heat.

    Napoli is looking like the MVP so far.

  48. Mike Axisa says:

    This is unbelievable. Pujols swung at balls four, five, and six because they sent the runner.

    • Esteban says:

      That’s just TLR being a great manager. He’s the real difference maker.

    • David N says:

      And Craig can’t even run.

    • tom says:

      Same thing I said, above. LaRussa keeps over-managing the team into the ground.

    • Greg says:

      And also this is why ALbert Pujols should not even be considered in the breath of Mr. October.

      Reggie did not just have one epic game. He had a fantastic series. Pujols has not

      • tom says:

        I think alot of us wouldn’t entirely blame Pujols for that at bat. LaRussa forcing him to swing at anything close on those last few pitches half-took the bat out of his hand.

        And, actually, Reggie was stinking the joint out in ’77 through the first 2-3 games; he just got on a tear in game 4 and never let up.

        • Greg says:

          His only bad game was game 2 when he went 0-4

          He went 1-2 in game 1 and 1-3 in game 3 with 2 runs scored and an RBI.

          Pujols has gone 0-12 with no rbis and no runs in his other games

  49. mbonzo says:

    Pirates are interested in Cervelli. How about for someone like Zack Von Rosenberg?

    • Jesse says:

      Saw his minor league numbers (Von Rosenberg’s), and sure why not? Of course with minor leaguers the numbers don’t tell the story.

    • Urban says:

      It’s unlikely the Yankees will be trading Cervelli as I fully expect, and hope, that Romine gets a full year at AAA, and the Yankees will need a third catcher on the roster in 2012 since Montero figures to be the DH as well as a part-time catcher. In that scenario, a third catcher is required. It would be a waste if it’s Romine.

  50. Jesse says:

    C’mon Puma. Make like Tino and Brosius in ’01 and hit a dinger with 2 outs in the ninth.

  51. David N says:

    Come on Puma….

  52. Nick says:

    that was pretty awful all around in the 9th

  53. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Texas Rangers: 1
    St Louis Cardinals: 2
    Tony LaRussa: 2

  54. BK2ATL says:

    That was the strangest ninth inning save opportunity ever. Not a single fair ball, 3 outs.

  55. David N says:

    Well crap.

  56. Jesse says:

    Cardinals win Games 6 and 7. You heard it here first.

  57. mbonzo says:

    How’s LaRussa gonna blame this loss on Colby Rasmus now?

    • Urban says:

      Rasmus was so bad after he was traded to Toronto that I think it’s possible he can blame Rasmus and have it believable.

  58. beachbum says:

    That game was a clinic in small ball fail in the playoffs. Oh . . . and Pujols is obviously just an unclutch, stat-padder hitting meaningless home runs when it doesn’t matter.

  59. Kevin says:

    Impossible, I thought only the Yankees could put runners on again and again with one or no outs and not bring them home!

  60. Kevin says:

    notice how on the MLB clip they don’t show any clips of the Yankees Ws victories in the 90′s or 2000′s but spend 10-20 seconds on 01 and 03?

  61. BJ says:

    Pettitte texted Holland after the game? Haha. How do players get everybody else’s numbers?

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