Dec
10

Open Thread: Brian Bruney

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There is more than one way to build a bullpen, and the Yankees employ basically all of them. They have high-priced imports (Rafael Soriano), homegrown pieces (Mariano Rivera and David Robertson), trade pickups (Boone Logan), and scrap heap signings (Cory Wade). A few seasons ago they went the scrap heap route and signed Brian Bruney to a minor league contract about six weeks after the Diamondbacks released him in the middle of the 2006 season.

Bruney, then just 24, saved a dozen games for Arizona in 2005, though he pitched to a 7.43 ERA and 5.11 FIP while doing so. Bruney was young, threw very hard, and had a track record of racking up huge strikeout totals, so the Yankees took a flier on him. He struck out 22 in 14.1 IP for Triple-A Columbus before being called up in mid-August. Bruney was dominant the rest of the season, striking out 25 and allowing just a pair of runs in 20.2 IP. That earned him a spot on the roster next season.

Over the next three seasons, Bruney was dominant, terrible, hurt, and everything in between. A Lisfranc sprain derailed an otherwise strong season in 2008 (1.83 ERA and 3.45 FIP), then elbow trouble cost him the eighth inning job in early-2009. He went on the DL, rushed himself back, then re-injured it. During his 3+ seasons in pinstripes, Bruney had pitched to a 3.25 ERA (4.66 FIP)  with 8.18 K/9 and 5.70 BB/9 in 144 IP. That amounted to 0.5 fWAR and 2.5 bWAR. It seemed like he came to camp 10-20 lbs. lighter every year, but it never helped him harness his admittedly nasty stuff.

The Yankees traded Bruney to the Nationals two years ago today, receiving a player to be named later in return. That player was Jamie Hoffmann, who the Yanks instructed Washington to take with the first overall pick in the Rule 5 Draft the next day. Hoffmann didn’t make it through Spring Training, but the Yankees were likely to non-tender Bruney later than month because he was due to make close to $2M in 2010. Bruney has pitched to a 7.23 ERA with 32 walks and 32 strikeouts in 37.1 big league innings since then, bouncing from the Nats to the Brewers to the Mets to the White Sox. He’s currently a free agent and struggling to hang on, so the Yankees likely received the best stretch of his career after rolling the dice.

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Here is tonight’s open thread. There’s college basketball on all over the place, plus the Rangers and Islanders are both playing tonight. Talk about whatever you like here, just don’t be a jerk.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Brian S.

    So when is Boston going to be not a racist town? They can’t keep thinking this is the nineteenth century forever can they?

    • Dan

      I agree Boston is a bastion of white anger… but why do you say so this time…?

      • Brian S.

        Just bringing up something for discussion.

        • Dan

          oh, in that case, yeah. the case for Boston as America’s most racist major city is pretty strong. However, that Klansman Papelbon and his “Was that My Cousin I just humped” face going to philly weaken it a bit.
          I’m always up for a good Boston bashing. Lemme know when we get to do Philly!

          • Mister Delaware

            I’ve lived in both and I’d say Philly is worse. So lets switch over now.

            • Jumpin’ Jack Swisher

              Philly can be terrible. Geno’s Cheesesteaks basically flaunts its bigotry the moment you step up to the counter.

              Every town has its crap, though. We just keep it nice, hidden, and under tons of layers of overrationalization in NYC.

              • Rockdog

                I’m a Yankees fan from NJ, lived in a bunch of different cities, and been in Boston for 20 years. Honestly, I don’t think that it is any more racist than anywhere else, although not really sure how you measure that.

                • Mister Delaware

                  Going on 3 years and while the older stories are pretty horrible, I haven’t seen much if any. Philadelphia … not so much. Terrible.

    • Soriano Is A Liar

      But they’re the Greatest City in American Sports(TM)!

      • Brian S.

        Just ask Gary Matthews Jr.!

    • Professor Longnose

      I once went to a wonderful Chinese restaurant in Boston. My wife is from China (I’m from New York), so we headed toward Chinatown and found a huge place with a big open floor, like a warehouse with tables. There must have been at least a hundred Chinese people eating and talking animatedly (the Chinese don’t have a custom of being quiet in restaurants). There were no menus and no ordering. Food was wheeled around on carts, and you hailed what looked good, the cart drivers adding what you took to your ticket on the table. The food was great and the atmosphere exciting.

      • Plank

        Wow, that story went nowhere.

        • Professor Longnose

          Yeah, probably wasn’t worth telling. Feel free to add a better ending.

      • The Mars Man

        Where is this place?

  • IB6 UB9

    Is there a scenario where the Yankees could sign Darvish and have him start once a week until the All Star break to get acclimated?

    Sabathia would keep his routine, they could use Burnett as spot starter/long man and Nova, Hughes and Garcia would get an extra day every now and then.

    • Professor Longnose

      That’s an interesting idea. It would probably be hard to manage, because you would be throwing everyone off a regular schedule except one guy, Sabathia. Plus you would have to have a 6th starter make some starts, and the Yankee rotation is weak enough.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      I suppose you could keep that in the back of your mind if there’s a rain out or off day, but pitchers are creatures of habit. You can’t upset 3/5 of your rotation to accommodate one guy. Then if one is pitching poorly, everyone will point to Darvish as the reason, fair or unfair. Just stick him in the rotation (if they land him) and see how it goes. Girardi pays close attention to how guys do with short/extra rest, so I trust he’ll adjust accordingly when possible.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

    Goodness gracious there’s just nothing going on in Yankee land. I need a post idea for tomorrow, preferably two.

    Darvish has been done to death, and I happen to think both sides are way off base. The pro-Darvish folks are too dismissive of the transition and the money. Just because you’re not paying a 40% tax on a 100 mil outlay doesn’t mean its cheap and/or cost effective. As was said numerous times this week the Yanks are hesitant to import pitchers from the NL West, but they should throw caution to the wind for someone from Japan who will be more expensive?

    The anti-Darvish folks seem to think Cashman has downplayed the idea of targeting him, and I don’t think that’s what he’s said at all. He’s said “we’ve learned from prior experiences”. That doesn’t mean they won’t bid, just that they know more about who’s worth targeting and who isn’t.

    • Professor Longnose

      There was some talk this morning about the Angels’ TV deal. Do you know anything about the Yankees YES revenue? I’d be interested in hearing how it shapes up.

      • candyforstalin

        about 200m, between rights fee and dividends.

        • Professor Longnose

          Thanks. That’s a good chunk better than the Angels, but not so much that the Yankees don’t have to be careful about what they do with it.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Talk about the Red Sox.

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

        Outside of Bobby V, they’ve done nothing as well.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          Talk about their team, how they match up with the Yankees as is, available moves best, and worse, case scenarios. Stuff like that.

          • Professor Longnose

            I’ll second that. Also vs Angels, as that’s the hot topic of the moment.

            • http://www.bronxbombersreport.com Craig Maduro

              The Angels lineup still doesn’t scare me. Of course its better with Pujols there, but if I’m managing against him I just IBB him or pitch around him ALL THE TIME. Who am I supposed to be afraid of after him? Trumbo? Hunter? Wells? No reason for Pujols not to threaten – if not surpass – his career high in walks (115) this season.

              • Mister Delaware

                Is that really his career high? If you asked me to set a +/-, I would have missed by atleast 25 easy.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

    The thing I remember most about Bruney was how ticked off he was when he wasn’t getting work, and when he was sent down to AAA. Like it was everyone else’s fault that he was pitching like crap. That told me a lot about him.

    BTW-Didn’t he get accused of tearing up the clubhouse, or misbehaving in some way that they tried to keep quiet?

    • Professor Longnose

      There’s something in an old post on a Scranton blog about Bruney throwing a tantrum and kicking a chair when he got sent down, but that doesn’t sound like something anyone would bother to cover up. http://pinstripespa.blogspot.c.....block.html

      Yankee fans should at least appreciate Bruney’s run-in with K-Rod: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvApFVPMAzg

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

        I think that’s it. It may have taken a few days to come out, that was Girardi’s 1st year and he was very tight lipped with the media, even more than now.

        • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

          Sorry, that was Torre’s last year. My bad.

      • sevrox

        seasick

  • Robert

    Does anyone remember the game in 2008 when Joe had him start because he thought that it would be rain shortened?

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      That wasn’t as crazy as it seemed, the weather reports were such that you could have lost your starter at any point over the first few innings, and then it was supposed to clear up later. By starting a reliever, Girardi protected himself against burning out his pen, which IIRC was already short at the time since Hughes and IPK were pitching like garbage.

      It was creative and Joe got killed for it. Baseball doesn’t embrace new ideas, no matter how much sense they make.

      • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

        I thought Girardi didn’t want Kennedy pitching in that game period simply because he may have had to warm up multiple times yet he brought him in relief. IIRC of course, could be wrong.

      • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

        That last point is the ultimate problem with the no-bunting stance espoused here. In the inevitable times the batter failed to get a hit or advance the runner, msm types would kill Joe for not having called for the sac bunt (rather than looking at the math of it).

  • jay h

    Does anyone know if Nakajima is a friend of Darvish. I just had a thought that we went after Nakajima for the same reason Boston signed Okajima after they got Dice-BB

    • pet smiles

      Yep they know each other very well being cousins. So it could nbe reason.

      • jay h

        Oh i had no idea they were cousins. Now I really think we’re gonna end up trying hard for Darvish.

        • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

          I think he’s just kidding around. I googled that and came up empty.

          • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

            Yes J I think your sarcasm detector is broken.

  • Rey22

    So assuming Pujols suffers no major injuries and keep being Pujols for the Angels, what uniform does he go into the HOF with? Still the Cardinals right? Numbers in his prime there plus 2 WS rings

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      The overwhelmingly likelihood is that contract doesn’t work out well. He’s signed for 10 years and will be 32 in January. I think people will remember him most fondly as a Cardinal.

  • Greg

    Braun failed a PED test. News just breaking

    http://espn.go.com/espn/conver.....ncing-drug

    • Gonzo

      Matt Kemp just said well that was a little late.

    • Cy Pettitte

      ESPN report was just showing his comments on ARod from a few years ago. too funny.

      • Gonzo

        Total conspiracy theorist in me, but how does MLB handle this if he was the WS MVP? Would they bury it?

        • Cy Pettitte

          I don’t think so. It would be a disaster either way if they admit it or it leaks years later. I think you have to be proactive and admit it ASAP and be transparent. It is odd that apparently Braun sat on the info for almost 2 months and accepted the MVP.

          • Soriano Is A Liar

            Well Braun does maintain his innocence. But it is super shady.

            • Gonzo

              Does he go with A)The Big Papi defense B)The A-rod admission C)Andy P. admission, or D) The Kevin Williams StarCaps defense?

              I say D.

          • Gonzo

            Yeah, I think you’re right.

      • Cy Pettitte

        my favorite quote:

        “I would never do it because if I took steroids, I would hit 60 or 70 home runs.”

    • http://www.bronxbombersreport.com Craig Maduro

      Fuck man. That’s a mongloidious wrench thrown into fantasy baseball drafts.

  • Avi

    Braun caught with PEDs

  • Virgil Earp

    That MVP award should be immediately revoked from Braun and awarded to a clean player, Matt Kemp. What a fraud.

    • CP

      How do you know Kemp is clean?

      • Virgil Earp

        Kemp has not failed a test, Braun has. Period. Matt Kemp should be awarded the MVP.

        • Preston

          I agree I’m not about going back and putting an asterisk next to everything or re-gifting awards, but if the test came during the season, he shouldn’t get an award for the performance. There is precedent for this in sports. They had a re-vote for NFL Rookie of the Year when Brian Cushing tested posative.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            If they take the MVP from Braun, don’t they have to go back and take away A-Rod’s MVP in 2003? Slippery slope.

            • Virgil Earp

              No. You’re going back before the drug rules were in place. It wasn’t until 05 before they started suspending players for positive tests. Re-vote, give it to Kemp who hasn’t failed a test for cheating.

              • mustang

                Bingo!!!!!

                The dumb ass knew the punishment and still.

                • CP

                  The dumb ass knew the punishment and still.

                  The punishment does not include removing him from awards consideration.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  The punishment is the 50-game suspension, not having the MVP taken away.

                  • dude

                    the punishement also does not include his 90 million $$ (or whatever) extentsion

                    • dude

                      *being takeb away….

                    • mbonzo

                      He’d be better off if it was. He’d get a monster contract.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He failed the test in the playoffs, reportedly. MVP is a regular season award.

      • mustang

        Are you kidding??????!!!!!!

        Yes, people he started using PED’s only in the playoffs.

        Wow just wow.

        So if they are caught during Spring Training they should only be suspended for spring training games?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Yes, people he started using PED’s only in the playoffs.

          Why not? Some people think players can magically up their game in the playoffs.

          Prove he took it during the regular season, then take the award away. It’s not very hard.

          So if they are caught during Spring Training they should only be suspended for spring training games?

          Didn’t say anything about the suspension, we’re talking about the award.

          • mustang

            No disrespect to you but I really can’t see how anyone who loves this game can be so indifferent about players who cheat in it.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              I haven’t seen anything that definitively shows that so called “performance-enhancing” drugs actually enhance a player’s performance, and if they do, by how much.

              • mustang

                Ok and OJ Simpson was innocent too.

                So if they don’t give them an edge why take them?

                Why risk what happen today?

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  No one ever accused baseball players of being smart.

                  • mustang

                    We can agree on that.

                  • Thomas Cassidy

                    In all reality, HGH does not necessarily make you stronger. But, it does strengthen the muscles in the eye, making the ball a lot easier to see.

                    Major Leaguers already can see fucking amazing, so imagine their super human sight being tripled, it’s us hitting a beach ball with a fungo bat.

                    • Tony Conigliaro

                      : (

                • mbonzo

                  HGH is used to help a person recover from an injury. If you consider that an edge, you should also consider any form of medicine or supplement cheating.

              • Jose M. Vazquez..

                During the years 1999 to 2004 we saw the establishment of HR records the like of which we have not seen since. Those records were by Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa. All 3 were linked to PEDs. Bonds hims3elf hit more homers in those years than he had in his previous career and this after 35 years of age. So you see you really don’t need a study to find out that hey enhance the performance of those are are good. It makes them better. Some of these guys will begin to notice the effect of these substances as they get older such as fatty liver.

                • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

                  Mmmm. I love a good fatty liver. With a nice chianti. Ffftfftfftfftfft.

            • mbonzo

              The line between cheating here is very thin. HGH in the medical field is pretty common for someone that needs to recover. Used right, it can help you get healthy. For a baseball player that is constantly destroying muscle and not letting it heal, why wouldn’t some form of PED’s be good for the game? Players will stay healthier if doctors become involved.

              There is also no indication of how PED’s help a player boost stats, or even if they do.

              It just seems silly that they call it cheating, when really they are just using modern medicine to stay healthier. The problem is that you can then point to old stats and say, well Babe Ruth or Hank Aaron never used PED’s. Well I’d argue that amphetamines have a much bigger impact on your play than PED’s do, and no one uses those today.

              Lets imagine that a baseball player has constant muscle tears in their calf. A synthetic chemical thats naturally occurring can help heal the muscle tear and fix that player’s problem. Now they can unlock their full potential and hit 10 more homeruns a season. How is that cheating? Thats like saying baseball players who wear contacts cheat because without them they wouldn’t play as well.

  • DERP

    This is fucking hilarious. I am really happy about the Braun news for some reason, even though I like him.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Wouldn’t say I’m happy, but I’m so indifferent to this PED stuff. Just doesn’t bother me all that much.

      • The209

        because you’ve never played sports?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Yes, you’ve figured me out.

    • Thomas Cassidy

      I’ve gotta be honest, I’d do the same damn thing, just like all of you would.

      I dare anyone to say they would NEVER take steriods or any PEDs for close to 200m in their life?

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

    “There are highly unusual circumstances surrounding this case which will support Ryan’s complete innocence and demonstrate there was absolutely no intentional violation of the program,” said a spokesman for Braun in a statement. “While Ryan has impeccable character and no previous history, unfortunately, because of the process we have to maintain confidentiality and are not able to discuss it any further, but we are confident he will ultimately be exonerated.”

    Elevated levels of testosterone in Braun’s system triggered the positive test, which prompted MLB to ask the testing agency to perform a second test. The second test determined that the testosterone…was produced outside of Braun’s body.

    Testosterone in his body that was not produced by him…..

    Holey shit Ryan Braun is gay?!?!

    • Bo Knows

      no but he is a post-op transgender, his birth name was Rhianna Braun

      • Pat D

        Matt Kemp doesn’t like this joke.

    • Gonzo

      He broke Andy Farmer’s lamb fry record the day before the test!

    • http://www.bronxbombersreport.com Craig Maduro

      And I’ll still draft him in the first round next season if he falls to me.

      • Thomas Cassidy

        He’d be your first round pick after playing less than 120 games?

    • http://historyandfutility.wordpress.com the Oberamtmann

      there’s a post on it’s About the Money about how easy it is with today’s bio-engineered foods to follow all the rules and still get a false positive on PED tests. I think we should give Braun (and, yes, even Ortiz) some credit that they might still be innocent.

      Just like you really can get a false-positive on opiates after eating too many poppy-seed bagels.

  • Jimmy McNulty

    It’s gonna be funny when Brewers fans get all butthurt tonight but go and root for Clay Matthews tomorrow.

    Clay as a USC freshmen:

    http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/56/566290.jpg

    http://www.usclegends.org/imag.....tthews.jpg

    Normal sized head and body, now Clay:

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n.....medium.jpg

    http://gaystoners.com/wp-conte.....thews.jpeg

    http://cdn.newsday.com/polopol...../image.jpg

    • Hall and Nokes

      Replace “Brewers fans” with “80% of America” and “Clay Matthews” with “the entire NFL” and I’m right with you.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        Yeah I don’t get why the NFL gets a break. Look at some of these dudes and tell me they’re naturally that big. Also notice how they add on all this bulk and don’t slow down a tick? In fact they speed up? Please.

    • Bo Knows

      No offense but their is a huge difference between the body of a person when they are 18 yrs old, and when they are 25. Hell I’m 20 and I’m 30 lbs heavier, far stronger and faster than when I was 18

      • CP

        Clearly you’re a juicer.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        Yeah try putting on another thirty pounds of muscle and shaving a couple ticks off your 40 time. Look if you start out as someone who doesn’t exercise it’s easier to get bigger and stronger because you can do some work and improve quite a bit. When you’re an NFL prospect it’s quite hard to put on weight cleanly. There’s also his head too. His head’s shaped an awful lot like Mark McGwire’s and Jose Canseco’s. I mean I’m sure the guy works his ass off, like most juicers, but at least 80% of the NFL is juiced.

  • Jimmy

    Bill will indeed feed on Army mule tonight.

  • Hey Now

    Those bug eyes…I knew it!

    Those are juicer eyes.

    • Gonzo

      This made me laugh.

  • mbonzo

    Hopefully this Ryan Braun news will encourage people to be indifferent about this kind of stuff. Doctors hand out PEDs all the time now, because under the right supervision, its good for you. They need to just allow it, but keep it regulated by doctors so that its done safely.

  • Mantle28

    So… anyone see/listen to the new Louis CK album?

    Incredible.

    • sam

      Just downloaded it tonight. Hilarious. Like the name of that album he released earlier.

  • Mister Delaware

    I don’t get it. These are the same voters who know which HoF candidates shouldn’t get a vote because of past PED maybe-usage.

  • Jumpin’ Jack Swisher

    Know who was never caught with PEDs? BRIAN F’NG BRUNEY.

    In hindsight, loved that guy. Probably wouldn’t have said that during the heights of his inconsistency.

  • Virgil Earp

    There needs to be an up or down revote for MVP and we need to get these writers on record, who’s a hypocrite and who’s not? The hypocrites will still vote Braun MVP knowing this while at the same time keeping all time greats out of the HOF. Matt Kemp should win and justice will be served.

  • mustang

    Ryan Braun= Most Valuable Performance-enhancing drug user.

    Dumb ass is not even smart enough to get around the Mickey Mouse MLB drug test when he cheats.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      So he fails the test during the playoffs and you want to take his regular season award away? If a cop pulls you over for speeding, should he also give you a ticket for the previous day because come on, who only speeds that one time?

      • mustang

        I guess you are right but I still can’t see how anyone who loves this game can be so indifferent about players who cheat in it.

        That’s just my opinion.

        • ryan

          as someone who loves the game, I admire that he is willing to do whatever it takes to win

          • CP

            Perhaps Jeter would have hit better last year and the Yankees could have won the World Series if he had taken steroids.

            • mbonzo

              What would you reaction be if he’s used PED’s?

              (I have a source that says he hasn’t, nor has Mo.)

              • Hall and Nokes

                Who is this interesting person who has followed Jeter and Rivera everywhere they’ve gone for the last 16 years?

                • mbonzo

                  I’d rather not say, but he was teammates with them in the mid-late 90’s. Not a Yankee, played in offseason leagues and worked out with them. They could have done something later, but apparently they were so close it would have been impossible for him not to know.

                  • Mister Delaware

                    Jim Boeheim likes this

          • mustang

            Including breaking the rules of the game?

            Might as well let them have 4 strikes and 18 balls and let pay off the umpires.

            • whozat

              so you’re only mad at players who used after the ban kicked in, right? wasnt against the rules til then…

              • mustang

                I’m mad at all them, but your right it wasn’t a rule then. Now it is and after all the shit that went down there shouldn’t be excuses.

      • FIn

        Come on. THe playoffs are an extension of the regular season. If he gets caught in the playoffs, it is a fact he was using them during the regular season, not just an assumption. I dont care about PED’s personally. I think they make sports better. However, your argument is rediculas.

        • whozat

          No, it’s not. And you’re presumed innocent in this country. If you have proof he was using in the regular season, Ok. He’ll get his 50 game suspension next season as per the rules. As is…he’ll get his 50 game suspension next season, as per the rules.

          So…the same exact thing will happen, no matter when he was using or not, pursuant to the rules of major league baseball. The game has always been dirty. Segregation, amphetamines, steroids, HGH…there is no golden age where everyone was clean. So, you can hate all major league baseball that has ever been played because it was rife with cheating, or you can decide you don’t care that all major league baseball that has ever been played was rife with cheating and just enjoy it.

          And, by the way, if you decide to hate baseball forever…then stop enjoying the NFL as well :-)

          • Mister Delaware

            Rediculas response.

          • FIn

            LMAO, the proof is he was caught in under a month after the regular season ended. U dont start using PED’s a day before u need the results. THey are long term drugs, requiring repetitive use to get results. Saying there is no proof he used them during the regular season, is the most assine argument i have ever heard. This assuming he doesnt, indeed have some sort of reasonable explanation how he tested positive.

            • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

              How about, you know, he took them. And so it was in his body. And so he got caught.

      • Jose M. Vazquez..

        You cannot take that away because then you would have to take about 3-4 from Barry Bonds.

  • ryan

    If the Brewers lose Braun for 50 games, and without Fielder next year, they look to be pretty awful..

    Any chance this opens them up to trade Greinke, Marcum, or Gallardo?

  • Rick

    Love where your head is at… I was just thinking wow they’re really f’d if they lose Prince as well. Chances Bud Selig makes it though the night?

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Look to Mustang’s points, Mustang and I disagree on a lot. However, I’ll be more civil here. Steroid users and HGH users use these things to help them recover faster. So they do this stuff so that they can work harder. Steroids don’t work if you’re lazy. So while I understand where he’s coming from about the rules, yes they’re there and you have to follow him; I don’t think it’s such a front to the game. Steroids allow users’ muscles to recover faster so that they can work them harder. Anyone that’s willing to get an edge on the competition or do whatever they can to win is okay in my book.

    • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

      My issue with it is that from the perspective you lay out, which on the whole I find reasonable (particularly for hgh, somewhat less so for steroids) is that in that regard they are no different from aspirin, ibuprofen, contact lenses, etc. Basically anything not already naturally occurring in/on your body. 50 years from now when hgh usage is broadly established in the general population the way ibu is today, I’m pretty sure they’ll allow it in baseball. And might we not all feel quite silly then about all this drama?

  • Dino Velvet

    Maybe the Brewers will sign Manny to fill in during Braun’s suspension.

    • Evan3457

      Can’t; they’ll both be suspended for the same 50 games.
      But I laughed.

  • Jose M. Vazquez..

    From The Textbook of Endocrinology, Edited by Robert M. Williams, M.D., WBSaunders Co.On HGH:Promotes the deposition of protein, carbohydrate, and waqter and loss of fat…In that sense it may help the healing process but I never saw it used that way during my 42 yrs as a practicing physician. I saw it used to increase short stature by 4-5cm in short children. Another bad effect of HGH is that it increases blood sugar and fat deposition in the liver. Long term use can cause growth of hands, feet and jaw what is called acromegalia.

  • Jose M. Vazquez..

    More things to say about cheating in baseball. While using PEDs is one form that is illegal there is one that is allowed by MLB. This where the Colorado Rockies are allowed to alter the baseball by allowing it to acquire more moisture: the so called humidifier. It can be interpreted as legalized cheating.

    • Chaz

      It’s not cheating when it affects the both teams equally.

      • Jose M. Vazquez..

        You are absolutely correct Chaz.