Dec
21

Open Thread: WPIX and the 1987 Yankees

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Ah yes, the pre-YES Network days. Remember when WPIX Channel 11 and MSG broadcast Yankees games? That seems like a lifetime ago now. That’s back when Tim McCarver was actually a pretty good announcer, though he was doing Mets games back then. With all due respect to the guys calling the games now, it’s going to be tough to top the days of Jim Kaat, Bobby Murcer, and Phil Rizzuto in the booth.

Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. As far as local sports go, all you’ve got is the Nets at the Knicks in each teams’ first preseason game (7:30pm ET on MSG). Talk about anything you like here, go bananas.

(h/t @flipflopflying)

Categories : Open Thread
  • CMP

    I remember the days of Phil Rizzuto on WPIX when he was with Bill White and Frank Messer. That was a great team too.

    • dc1874

      And if you remember they would split it up..2 guys would work TV and the other would work radio SOLO..for thrre innings..then switch around…for another three innings…then the final three innings..it was great hearing the scooter on the radio by himself back in those days!!!!

  • OldYanksFan

    I started watching the Yankees on WPIX in 1965, on a 12″ B&W TV. However, during that era, I got to hear the greatest broadcast team ever…. The Scooter, Joe. G and Jerry Coleman.

    These guys were HIGHLY entertaining… and if you know anything about the 1965-1969 Yankees, you’ll understand… they had to be.

  • OldYanksFan

    @BMP: They turned into a good team, but both Messer and White, and especially Bill White, were horrid their first year or 3.

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      I think you mean CMP. And in case you don’t see it, there’s a dark blue reply button you can hit to reply directly at the person’s comment you want to reply at. Just trying to help.

  • CJ

    Texas going after Andrew Bailey now too? If cashman is a ninja what is Jon Daniels?

    • CMP

      Bruce Lee.

      Cashman is more like:

      http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/imag.....ninja1.jpg

    • steve (different one)

      The guy who traded Adrian Gonzalez for Adam Eaton? Daniels is good, but that was probably the single worst trade for the 00’s (so far, the Vernon Wells trade is running away with that distinction for this decade…)

      People still complain about losing guys like Clippard, imagine if Cash had traded AGon for bag of dogshit?

      • Grit for Brains

        great perspective….Cash has missed some great opportunities but nothing like that…at least not yet

  • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

    Quick question, was the first Javy Vazquez prior to the 2004 season a Cashman move or a Steinbrenner move?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Both Javy trades were all Cash. Kevin Brown too.

      • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

        Ah, ok. Thanks Mike.

  • CJ

    Does anyone else watch Yankees baseball daily? I dont see many references to it?

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      I’ve watched it a few times. Pretty decent program.

  • http://www.bronxbombersreport.com Craig Maduro

    Don’t forget about the Tar Heels vs. Texas game. Some of us are lucky enough to bleed the two best shades of blue.

  • CANO FAN #1

    If Cole hamels go to the free agent next year what contract you can give to him? I think 6 year 90M is pretty good.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Unless he gets hurt, he’s getting Sabathia’s contract.

      • CANO FAN #1

        Realy? I see him as a 15M picher no more then that

        • vin

          Then you’ll see him on another team.

        • steve (different one)

          Well, Mark Buerhle is apparently a $14.5M pitcher, so Hamels is going to be a bit more…

        • RetroRob

          A lefty, good fastball, still in his 20s who cranks out 30-plus starts, 200 innings, misses bats, pounds the strikezone, low walk rate?

          He’s one of the top pitchers in the game. He’ll get six years at $20 million per.

      • Billion$Bullpen

        That is why I do not get why he would take much less in an extension.

        I do not think he is worth CC money, but if he hits free agent status and we do not sign him it is a major fail. I think its worth only doing one year deals this year with anybody so we can do whatever we need to do next year.

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      That’s basically a John Lackey and A.J Burnett contract, plus another year and $15M. Cole deserves much more than that. He’s left handed, younger, and simply much, much, much better than those two.

      • Soriano Is A Liar

        Hamels suffers from Nick Swisher syndrome, he’s overshadowed by players on his own team. By himself, Hamels is an ace, but with Halladay and Lee making him look merely good in comparison, people think of Hamels as a 2/3 and want to pay him as such.

        • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

          I agree.

    • Robert

      Starting point of 6 years / 130 million

  • Steve (different one)

    Anyone remember the WPIX “video games”? They would show something like space invaders on the screen, you would call in and if they put you on the air, you would say “pix” to shoot and play the game. Anyone?

    • CMP

      I do.

      There was a target in the middle of the screen and you had to yell “pix” to shoot the space ships that flew through the target area.

    • Jimmy

      Holy crap, how can you possibly remember that?

    • Plank

      Around what year was that?

  • Gonzo

    “This Bud’s for you!”

    When did they get rid of that?

  • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

    So, Sean Marshall got traded to the Reds for Travis Wood and two minor leaguers. Any ideas who the two minor leaugers are and what the Yankee equivalent of a trade for Marshall would be? Just curious.

    • vin

      I guess the closest equivalent to Wood is Nova. Wood has a bit more service time. They both pitch in hitters’ parks, although Wood is in the NL… but he is left-handed, which is a plus.

      Marshall is really good, but I’m not sure I’d trade a 24 year old left-handed starter with 4 years of control for him. And I don’t believe we know who the minor leaguers are. I don’t worship at the altar of Theo, but he does orchestrate some good baseball moves.

      • Robert

        Nova is alot better than Wood.Wood was 6-6 a WHIP of 1.5, with a ERA of 4.84. Nova was 16-4 a WHIP of 1.3 ,with a ERA of 3.70 in the Al east.

  • http://twitter.com/steveh603 Steve H

    Would you trade AJ (2 years/$33 million) for Peavy 1/$21 mil?

    • Billion$Bullpen

      Straight up? Yes I think I would.

    • steve (different one)

      Yes.

    • Neil

      I would do this trade without the slightest bit of hesitation.

    • Gonzo

      I think I’d do it and hope he stays healthy.

      How much would you have to eat to deal Peavy? Compare that to what you’d have to eat for Burnett. Go with the net cheaper amount.

      • Robert

        Yes,

  • Billion$Bullpen

    Kuroda vs. Oswalt? What are peoples thoughts on that and also on the idea of throwing both of them a one year offer with the idea of whoever signs it first gets it?

    • Gonzo

      To be honest, I’m coming around to the idea of just relying on the AAA depth.

      • CMP

        I don’t see how you could be comfortable with that plan.

        Right now the only starting pitcher who is pretty much a sure thing to be better than league average is CC. I can see letting the kids battle it out for a couple of spots in the rotation but considering they refuse to pull Burnett (who’s sure to be among the worst starters in the league), I think bare minimum they need another guy you can count on for a 3+ WAR season like they got out of Colon.

        • Gonzo

          I am not sold on either of those two wanting to come to NY. Then expecting a 3 war season from them is tough considering age, injury, and new league/division.

          I’d rather get someone else or stand pat.

    • steve (different one)

      Would be happy with either. I am intrigued by the idea of Oswalt on a one year “make good” contract, where he is intentionally trying to restore his market value. Despite the lazy pace of this off-season, I do believe the Yankees will wind up acquiring SOMEONE. No idea who though.

  • Granderslam

    Jon Heyman wrote that the Yankees aren’t “in” on Oswalt because they have prioritized others. Um, we have heard nothing on the Yankees lately. Any word on who they are prioritizing?

    • vin

      Since it’s coming from Heyman… maybe Edwin Jackson (Boras client)?

      • Robert

        Jackson is a younger A.J

        • mbonzo

          So is Prince Fielder.

          • vin

            So am I.

    • Gonzo

      I just saw that he called Yuniesky Betancourt a rare FA bargain.

  • Mark

    The best part of that entire bit is the beginning – with Rudy Giuliani’s ex-wife introducing . She looks doable.

    • RetroRob

      I have an eye doctor for you.

      Perhaps it’s just the 80’s hairstyle and the grainy picture quality.

      Seriously, I saw the name and was trying to remember why I knew Donna Hanover’s name. Forgot about the Rudy thing.

  • Plank

    I cringed when I saw the bat and top hat Yankees logo. That thing is terrible.

    • Billion$Bullpen

      It is not our main logo obviously and is still better than about 16 to 20 other teams primary logo.

      • Plank

        Maybe I just associate it with an era of losing and general suckitude. I also refer to this era as my formative years.

        • RetroRob

          I was never a huge fan of the top hat logo, but it should not be associated with losing. Just the opposite. It was designed back in 1936. Tons of winning with that top hat!

      • Plank

        I looked at it again. It really is bad. A spinning Apollo Creed tophat? Ugh.

  • mbonzo

    White Sox and Danks agree to extension.

    My jaw just dropped. Wow.

    • James A

      Yea, I guess that Andy Pettitte 2.0 isn’t going to happen. Gavin Floyd?

    • Plank

      Thank goodness. He never captured my imagination. The should we trade for Danks storyline has to be my least favorite of the past few years.

    • Gonzo

      Looks like they got a decent deal too. Who’s next Cain, Hamels?

      • mbonzo

        To extend? Cain.

        Hamels will reach free agency.

        • Gonzo

          Yeah, to extend.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        I’m certain Cain will sign an extension at some point. Hamels I’m not too sure of, but I wouldn’t be surprised either way. Cain not signing an extension would surprise me.

        • Gonzo

          Who’s the big target if they both extend?

          • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

            In the Freee Agent market? Greinke.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              When they passed on Greinke was it because the price(trade pieces) was too high or did it have to do with his makeup?

              • Plank

                This will take at least 3 weeks of heated debate to resolve.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  So excited for this.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  In other words, everybody get your sources ready, it’s about to go down.

                  • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

                    I laughed. Assuming you’re referring to Ted Nelson and how he’s asked for sources a lot in the past.

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      Yup

                • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse
              • Reggie C.

                IF Greinke puts up another top 3 Cy-Young finish, i’m sure Cashman will look past the “make-up” issues and make a competitive offer ESPECIALLY if both Cain and Hamels sign extensions.

          • mbonzo

            Depends on how 2012 plays out but I’d say Greinke and then Anibal Sanchez and then Shaun Marcum.

        • Sarah

          I was certain of this as well but I’m starting to wonder. The Giants aren’t upgrading their offense at all and I don’t know if Cain wants to continue to play for a team that can’t score runs.

          Now, of course, the Giants will announce a Cain extension tomorrow.

          • Plank

            True. Also, the more pitchers that sign extensions makes it less likely for each subsequent pitcher to sign a deal. If they realize they are the only big name pitcher that will be available or one of two or three, that means more money for them in FA.

            Some players just won’t sign for a penny less than they are worth.

      • BK2ATL

        I wasn’t all in on Danks, but if we got him without parting with Montero and Banuelos, I’d be okay with it. I’ve always thought that we need another quality lefty in the rotation. Chicago locked him up for a reasonable deal.

        I think neither Cain nor Hamels will reach FA. Both SF and Philly have the abundant resources to pony up for these 2. That’s just a lot of wishful thinking by Yankees’ fans, just like the Matt Kemp thing.

        We really just need to suck it up for a season or 2 and let our own kids (Banuelos, Betances, Noesi, Warren, Phelps, etc.) pitch in MLB and possibly become decent MLB pitchers in the Bronx rather than depending on some team to discard their young ace, OR signing some scrap heap reject.

        Yeah it worked out with Colon and Garcia, but I wouldn’t keep going to that lucky well. I’m more than okay with letting the Nova’s and Noesi’s and Robertson’s solidify the staff after CC and Mariano, until Banuelos and Betances are ready.

        • RetroRob

          Robertson? He’s a reliever and will and should remain such.

          I’m more than happy for the Yankees to start giving their fleet of young arms greater chances, including living with the growing pains.

          • BK2ATL

            My point was that we gave Robertson a chance to actually pitch in the Bronx, rather than AAA and trade bait. Most were so focused only on Joba, that they didn’t realize how effective Robertson was in 2009 in high pressure situations. I wasn’t surprised by Robertson’s effectively in 2011.

            Same with Nova, finally given a legit chance. Hopefully, the same with Noesi and Phelps or Warren. These aren’t the highly-regarded prospects that are actually producing, given the chance. No coddling, no “rules.” They just pitch effectively.

            Next up, Banuelos and Betances, hopefully.

    • Westcoastyankfan

      Another door closed

      • Mick

        That door was never really “open”.

  • Gio

    knicks/nets is actually their second preseason game, both against each other.

  • BigDavey88

    Well that sucks about Danks.

  • RetroRob

    Reported 5/65, or $13 million per, I’m guessing added to his 2012, so that puts him under team control for six years.

    Considering Danks is 26 and how been successful, I was always suprised he was on the market. Maybe he never really was.

  • http://www.twitter.com/james_dasilva James d.

    You know, for a decent amount of readers here, the pre-YES days literally were a lifetime ago. Hell, that 1987 promo was during my age-3 season (I would screw up people’s age projections were I a major league because my birthday is July 2, a day after the B-R cutoff).

    Also, Donna Hanover is sure as hell cheery talking about “the cocaine connection in the tragic King suicide pact!”

  • Jumpin’ Jack Swisher

    1987 Open Thread! I know it wasn’t done for my benefit, but thank you anyway!

  • Claudell

    Notice the EMPTY right field seats at 0:18 in the video. I remember seeing / going to a lot of games like that back in the day.

    • http://www.twitter.com/james_dasilva James d.

      I’d say that almost all the way up to the A-Rod trade, you could go on certain weekday nights against bad teams, or to 1 p.m. Saturday games and see huge swaths of empty seats. After all, Steinbrenner was making noise about moving the team even after the World Series wins started happening.
      Admittedly, the late ’80s were probably worse for that type of attendance.

  • Chop It Up

    How did nobody mention the sweet Bon Jovi intro? For the 80’s, that was actually a pretty cool promo.