Jan
20

A DH Option Off The Board: Pena Signs With Tampa

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Via MLBTR, the Rays have signed Carlos Pena to a one-year contract worth just $7.25M. I would have loved it if the Yankees had brought him in to DH at that price, but I’m guessing he wanted more playing time (both at-bats and in the field) and took a bit of a hometown discount (so to speak) to go back to Tampa. That’s life. The Rays, meanwhile, now have a sneaky good offense. Life in he AL East is never easy.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League
  • UncleArgyle

    They should have signed Scott Hatteberg instead. Why? Because he gets on base.

  • greg c89

    Over $7 million for a platoon DH? Can’t say I agree with that.

    • Mike HC

      He is going to be a full time player for the Rays though. I guess splitting time at DH and first.

      • Mike HC

        On second thought, Maddon probably will sit him against lefties a whole bunch. Either way, he still does have slightly more value to the Rays than the Yanks, in my opinion.

    • thenamestsam

      People say platoon like both sides are equal. Like 3/4 of pitchers are righties. If you’re willing to pay Andruw 4M to play every day against lefties and generally sit against righties, 7.25 is small change for Pena to play every game against righties.

      • Needed Pitching

        Jones only gets 2M, but the overall point is correct
        Yankees faced RH starter 110 times last season
        A lefty platoon player would start about 2/3 of the time, in addition to PH opportunities in the other 1/3 games

        • thenamestsam

          Not sure where the 4M # came from in my head. Is that what he made last year with incentives? Out of curiosity, where did you find the # of starts against RHP? I looked for it and couldn’t find a good way to figure it out.

  • Mike HC

    That is too bad, but I have to agree with the Yanks that Pena is not worth around 3 times as much, or more, than the 2-3 million dollar DH types out there.

  • FIPster Doofus

    “The Rays, meanwhile, now have a sneaky good offense.”

    Pena’s a good pickup, but there won’t be much difference in production between what he’ll give them in 2012 and Kotchman’s .351 wOBA in 2011. All the projection systems have Pena in the .350 neighborhood for the upcoming season.

  • ADam

    any news on Chavy?

    • Rainbow Connection

      Hello! Exactly!

  • Tampa Yankee

    Rays are throwing a lot of $ around for them. Between FA, arb raises and options, their payroll will be a lot higher than usual.

  • William

    Wouldn’t surprise me if they win the division. Best rotation in AL East.

    • KL

      Brave for saying that here.

      • KL

        But most experts say the Yanks will now win thee AL East after their moves. I doubt signing Carlos Pena changes that.

        The question is whether the Red Sox can catch the Rays for second.

        • nsalem

          Second in the AL East this year may send you home if playoffs are not expanded.

  • Andy in Sunny Daytona

    I hope David Price enjoys his WAY under-market $4.3M he agreed too. I’m sure Pena is way more deserving of $7M than he is.
    The Rays did David a solid by keeping him in the minors to delay his free agency and he pays them back by agreeing to their under market rate? Baffling

    • Steve (different one)

      Not sure I follow, what recourse does Price have? Was this his first time arb eligible? If so, $4.3m doesn’t strike me as that far below market at all.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        Lincecum got $8M his first time, granted he had some hardwear to show, but I would think that Price has shown more than enough to get more than $4.3M

        • Gonzo

          Technically Timmy signed a 2 year contract. Price actually ties the record for 1st time arb eligible pitcher. I thought he’d make a little more, but he wasn’t sniffing $8mm in arbitration.

        • Steve (different one)

          Ok, thanks. Didn’t realize it was that high. In my head, I was thinking something like 5/8/12….Hamels just got $15m, but this was his fourth time through. Your point is taken.

    • Tampa Yankee

      No state taxes in FL make those totals a little higher than what they are and closer to “market” value though.

    • Pounder

      Price looks a lot like Obama,but with a better record.

  • theyankeewarrior

    Damon/Jones will do just fine until we trade for Ethier in July.

    • dean

      Ethier mashes RHP…would be a nice fit but I’d imagine several teams would be after him if available.

  • paul a

    Iwasn’t crazy about the idea of Pena. Russell Branyan is a good inexpensive option,who has always hit well at the stadium.Platoon him with Vazquez and i think they’ll be fine.

    • CJ

      No they won’t. They’ll be looking for a dh by April 15.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Quit being mean. May 1st.

    • CJ

      Branyan is shot. His career is coming to an end. He’s hit about .200 as a part time player for two years, think he’ll turn it around at 37?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I think that, if the idea is to bring in a guy on the cheap who will use up the at-bats when someone isn’t getting a half-off at DH and is, esssentially, a bench guy with pop, I’d be willing to entertain a guy like Branyan (and, yes, I’d entertain Matsui. Sure.) I think that person’s impact won’t be much.

        If the idea is the TRUE DH one, and you plan on using guys like Vazquez and Branyan there, then good luck with that.

    • http://www.bronxbombersreport.com Craig Maduro

      Please don’t take this as me trying to jump down your throat, but f*ck Vazquez.

  • MrPappageorgio

    Sign Raul Ibanez, and call it an offseason*

    *If they don’t trade one of AJ/Hughes/Garcia, spring training will be fascinating.

  • CJ

    I know this is an ops/exotic stat community but .196-.225 avg with 150+ strikeouts is extremely frustrating to watch on a daily basis.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      The “fucking Pena” posts during game threads would have been something indeed.

    • Needed Pitching

      .255 avg last year vs. RHP, which is when he would have played with the Yankees
      .255 combined with his power and OBP is plenty good (and plenty better than the other options being discussed)

    • thenamestsam

      Yeah, I can only imagine the arguments that would have happened on here if he had a year like 2010 (.326 wOBA despite a .196 BA) and the stattier folks kept insisting that he was still above average offensively despite that batting average. He’s definitely not the easiest player on the eye.

  • Geo

    Matsui.

    • http://www.bronxbombersreport.com Craig Maduro

      Nah, he’s dog meat.

  • Rainbow Connection

    Never heard of him.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Doomed. The lack of a “Real DH” is going to confuse the rest of the team. They’ll be all like, “who’s DH’ing?” and the other guy will be like “I think you are, dawg” and the’ll be like “nah, nah. everyone knows you do better when you have a guy who can’t field and does nothing but hit in the lineup. how do you even spell ‘flexibility.'”

    • random

      Having 8 offensive starters > having 7 offensive starters and a rotating bench spot.

      It just is.

      That being said, this team is much better with Pineda + Kuroda than it was with a (potential) monster DH in Montero.

    • http://www.bronxbombersreport.com Craig Maduro

      It might be fun to laugh at the concern being expressed over the lack of a DH, but how long will it be before the Yankees only have three good hitters in their lineup? And I’m not talking average-at-his-position “good” either. Shit, for all of the Teixeira haters out there, that list drops to two. I know a good DH in 2012 doesn’t solve any long-term problems, but I think the state of the offense is a legitimate concern.

  • Gonzo

    Crazy trade for a DH option alert!

    Burtnett + $ for Pronk

    • CJ

      Pronk is shot. If you had to pick one player who was a juicehead, he’s your man

      • Gonzo

        As a platoon DH, I’d give him a shot. He can still hot RHP’s decent, no?

        • Needed Pitching

          yes
          302/404/482 .384 wOBA, 144 wRC+ vs. RHP in 2011
          290/393/540 .393 wOBA, 144 wRC+ career vs. RHP
          (for context, that 144 wRC+ vs. RHP would have led the Yankees last season – with Granderson 2nd at 142)

          Not sure why Cleveland would do this though

          • Gonzo

            Just wondering if they need someone to replace the pitcher formerly known as Fausto. Just spitballin.

    • hogsmog

      BURNETT FOR GIAMBI GOGOGO

  • Nathan

    Line-up looks like:

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Cano
    Rodriguez
    Teixeira
    Swisher
    Martin
    _________
    Gardner

    Wouldn’t you want a bigger bat at the #8 spot which would be Matsui over Damon? Unless you want to go Jeter/Damon at the top and move everyone down a spot.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Matsui isn’t a bigger bat than Damon these days.

    • CJ

      Put fielder behind ARod and push the rest down one.

      • Needed Pitching

        Fielder would be their best hitter, why would he bat fifth??

        • CJ

          He should bat behind ARod for protection. Granderson cano 2-3 pushes it back. Cano ARod fielder Tex would be the order but I wouldn’t want to move Curtis granderson out of 2 hole after last season.

      • http://www.bronxbombersreport.com Craig Maduro

        I know Prince Fielder would eliminate the “flexibility” that the Yankees just created, but fuck it. If the Yankees can’t find a way to fill the DH with something better than the slop that we keep throwing out (Damon, Matsui, Vazquez, Paul O’Neil, John Kruk) I’d love to see them just be reckless with a two year deal for Prince.

  • CJ

    Some of the other dh candidates mentioned (Dan Johnson russell branyan) will come off the board when they sign with their hometown high school as varsity head coach.

  • http://twitter.com/themanchine The Manchine

    I thought he’d go to Detroit.

  • Big L

    I must be missing something because to me Pena is nothing but a .220 hitting bum who couldn’t hang on his first go round! He might play a decent defense, but all we need from him is his bat and and that’s the worst part of his game! Hell Jorge hit better than him last year and he was shown the door. I have to think the best solution at DH is trading AJ Burnett for Jason Bay. That solves two problems at once and might just give us a better hitter, or at least someone with more upside…

    • Needed Pitching

      how on earth is Bay better than Pena? or even Posada better than Pena?

      Pena last year: 225 avg/ 357 obp/ 462 SLG/ .354 wOBA
      Bay last year: .245/.329/.374 .315 wOBA
      Posada last year: .235/.315/.398 .309 wOBA

      Pena destroyed both in every category except avg.

      and the role would be mostly facing RHP next season
      Pena vs. RHP last year .255/.388/.504 .383 wOBA
      Bay vs. RHP last year .228/.297/. 332 .281 wOBA

      so in the role they might actually play, Pena trounces Bay in every category

  • Big L

    Guess I was looking at the package deal. Getting rid of AJ, and his salary for Bay at about the same money. We have seven starters vying for five positions, this allows Hughes to be the fifth starter, (but I know he’ll probably end up in the pen) and sweaty Freddie to be the mop up guy in the pen. Plus Bay suffered from a concussion most of last year, so I expect he will have a much better year than his last two and I was looking at his upside. There was a great article about this trade proposal yesterday on RAB, made perfect sense to me…
    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....dea-62483/

  • I’m Not The Droids You’re Looking For…

    The problem is that your fundamental rationale about Peña is simply incorrect. He is irrefutably better than both Posada and Bay, moreso when factoring in the way we’d use him. He’s off the board now so it’s moot at this point.

    As for Bay, no thanks.

    • I’m Not The Droids You’re Looking For…

      Ugh reply fail.

  • Dicka24

    Anyone think Pena regrets rejecting the Cubs arbitration offer? He singed for $10 million last year I think. Oops.

  • David K.

    We’re lucky Carlos Pena is off the market now. He sucks against everyone but the Yankees. Against us you can expect him to hit ten or twelve homers in big spots during 2012. If we got him, though, he would have hit .220; do we need another Mark Teixeira?