Betances throws six scoreless in return to AA


LHP Manny Banuelos and RHP Jose Campos are both still in Tampa rehabbing their respective elbow injuries according to Mike Ashmore. Doesn’t sound like either is close to a return.

Triple-A Scranton (6-4 win over Rochester)
LF Chris Dickerson: 2-5, 1 2B, 2 RBI, 3 K — nine doubles in 19 June games
2B Corban Joseph: 0-4, 2 K
C Frankie Cervelli: 0-3, 1 R, 1 K, 1 PB, 1 HBP
DH Jack Cust: 1-4, 1 R
1B Russell Branyan: 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 2 K — that’s his tenth homer in June, the most in the International League
3B Brandon Laird: 2-4, 1 R, 1 K — seven hits in his last 17 at-bats (.412) with three doubles
RF Colin Curtis: 1-3, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 K
SS Ramiro Pena: 0-2, 1 K — left the game for an unknown reason after striking out … Doug Bernier replaced him and singled in one of his two at-bats
CF Ray Kruml: 2-4, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 K, 1 CS
LHP Mike O’Connor: 4 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 4/3 GB/FB — 45 of 65 pitches were strikes (69.2%) … they’re in pretty good shape despite losing two starters this week thanks to O’Connor and Nelson Figueroa
RHP Preston Claiborne: 2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 3/1 GB/FB — 20 of 26 pitches were strikes (76.9%)
RHP Manny Delcarmen: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 3/1 GB/FB — 24 of 34 pitches were strikes (70.6%)
RHP Jason Bulger: 1 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 1/0 GB/FB — 11 of 16 pitches were strikes … gave up a solo homer to former Yankees farmhand Matt Carson

Double-A Trenton (4-3 loss to Portland, walk-off style)
2B Jose Pirela: 1-5, 1 2B
3B Addison Maruszak: 2-4, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB — second homer in as many days
RF Zoilo Almonte: 0-5, 1 K
CF Melky Mesa: 2-3, 2 R, 1 2B, 1 BB, 1 K
1B Luke Murton, DH Kyle Higashioka & SS Yadil Mujica: all 0-4 — Murton and Higashioka each struck out
C Jose Gil: 3-4, 1 RBI, 1 SB
LF Damon Sublett: 1-2, 1 RBI, 2 BB, 1 SB
RHP Dellin Betances: 6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 5 K, 2/5 GB/FB — 55 of 91 pitches were strikes (60.4%), and he was hitting 93 early on … Ashmore has the entire outing on video … not Dellin’s best start of the season (that’s this one), but holy crap is this great to see … hopefully he can build on it
RHP Craig Heyer: 1 IP, zeroes, 0/1 GB/FB — threw half of his dozen pitches for strikes … first game back after an arm-related DL stint
LHP Francisco Rondon: 0 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 1 WP — nine of his 16 pitches were strikes
RHP Jon Meloan: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 HBP, 1/0 GB/FB — nine of 16 pitches were strikes … he hit 94 on the gun
LHP Lee Hyde: 0 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 0 K — took him all of three pitches to serve up the walk-off dinger

High-A Tampa (5-3 win over Brevard County)
CF Ramon Flores: 2-4, 1 R, 1 BB — 19 hits in his last 41 at-bats (.463)
C J.R. Murphy: 2-3, 1 R, 2 2B, 2 RBI, 1 BB – 14 hits in his last 40 at-bats (.350) with six doubles
DH Slade Heathcott & LF Neil Medchill: both 0-4, 1 K – Heathcott stole a base
RF Rob Segedin: 1-2, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K – threw a runner out at the plate
3B Zach Wilson: 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 K
SS Jose Mojica & 2B Jose Toussen: both 1-4, 1 R, 1 2B — Mojica drove in a run … Toussen struck out
LHP Nik Turley: 4 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 6 BB, 7 K, 3/0 GB/FB, 1 E (missed catch) — picked a runner off first … had walked seven batters in his five previous outings combined … faced 18 batters and only five put the ball in play
LHP Rigoberto Arrebato: 2.1 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 4/0 GB/FB
RHP Tommy Kahnle: 2.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 WP, 2/4 GB/FB — Clip’d the win

Low-A Charleston (5-3 loss to Greenville)
CF Mason Williams: 2-2 — he was thrown out at second trying to stretch a single into a double, then got ejected for arguing with the umpire about the call
CF Ben Gamel: 2-3, 2 2B, 2 RBI, 1 K — nice day off the bench
SS Cito Culver, RF Tyler Austin & 3B Dante Bichette Jr.: all 0-3 — Culver walked and whiffed … Austin drew a walk … Bichette got hit by a pitch, scored a run, struck out, and committed a throwing error
C Gary Sanchez, 1B Rey Nunez & RF Kelvin DeLeon: all 1-4 — Sanchez and Nunez each struck out once … Nunez also committed a fielding error … DeLeon drove in a run, struck out twice, and threw a runner out at home
LF Cody Grice: 0-4, 3 K — threw a runner out at the plate
2B Ali Castillo: 1-2, 2 R, 1 2B, 2 BB
LHP Matt Bashore: 3.2 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 5 BB, 1 K, 5/2 GB/FB — only 34 of 71 pitches were strikes (47.9%) … 16/15 K/BB in 22.2 IP this year
RHP Mariel Checo: 2.1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 0/1 GB/FB — 25 of 44 pitches were strikes (56.8%)
RHP Nick Goody: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K, 0/1 GB/FB — 23 of 41 pitches were strikes (56.1%) … the first of this year’s draftees to appear in a full season league
LHP Dan Mahoney: 1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 2/0 GB/FB — 13 of 19 pitches were strikes (68.4%)

Short Season Staten Island (6-4 loss to Hudson Valley)
LF Taylor Dugas: 2-3, 1 BB, 1 HBP — seven walks and three strikeouts in nine pro games
SS Jose Rosario: 0-5, 2 K, 1 E (fielding)
DH Saxon Butler: 2-5, 1 R, 1 K — done nothing but mash since turning pro
C Jackson Valera: 1-5, 2 R, 1 E (throwing)
CF Ravel Santana: 3-5, 1 R, 1 E (fielding) — had three hits total in his first nine games of the season
DH Matt Snyder: 0-5, 1 RBI, 1 K
3B Fu-Lin Kuo: 0-4, 3 K, 1 HBP — I guess he’s allowed to have a bad game every once in a while
2B Jamiel Orozco: 0-3, 1 RBI, 2 K, 1 E (fielding)
RF Danny Lopez: 1-4, 1 RBI
LHP Evan Rutckyj: 6 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 0 ER, 4 BB, 5 K, 1 HB, 7/3 GB/FB
RHP Derek Varnadore: 2 IP, 2 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 4/2 GB/FB — picked a runner off first

Rookie GCL Yanks (9-8 win over GCL Braves)
CF Kelvin Duran: 1-4, 1 R, 1 2B, 4 RBI, 1 K
2B Jerison Lopez: 3-5, 1 R, 2 2B, 2 RBI, 1 K, 1 E (missed catch) — 12 hits in his last 21 at-bats (.571)
RF Yeicok Calderon: 0-4, 1 BB, 1 K — played seven innings in the field, then gave way to Justin James who did not come to the plate
1B Bubba Jones: 1-5, 1 RBI, 1 K
LF-RF Ericson Leonora: 1-5, 1 2B, 2 K
SS Austin Aune: 1-4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 K – played seven innings in the field … Fernando Perez replaced him and struck out in his only at-bat
DH Nathan Mikolas: 1-5, 2 R, 2 K – first pro hit for this year’s third rounder
C Chris Breen: 2-3, 2 R, 2 2B, 1 RBI, 1 HBP — played his seven innings in the field, then David Remedios took over behind the plate … he made an out in his only at-bat
3B Jorge Alcantara: 2-4, 2 R, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 K, 1 SB, 1 E (throwing) — has already started games at first, second, third, left, and right this year
RHP Melvin Mercedes: 2 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 2/2 GB/FB, 2 E (fielding, pickoff)
RHP Kenedy Agramonte: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 1 HB, 3/2 GB/FB
RHP Victor Beriguete: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 2/3 GB/FB
RHP Andury Acevedo: 1 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 1 WP, 1/1 GB/FB
RHP Edison Mejia: 1 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 2/0 GB/FB

Categories : Down on the Farm


  1. DM says:

    I can’t read much into the Betances game. I think he’s being throwing the same way; it’s just that AAA/AAAA hitters are more selective, less chasing than AA.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      Did you see the game?

      • DM says:

        “Ashmore has the entire outing on video”

        Do you ever really read these posts?

        • Ted Nelson says:

          Uh, that the game is available doesn’t mean you watched it smart guy.

          • DM says:

            Oh I see. Your questions are always genuine — rather than snide and obvious contrarian quips devoid of sincerity.

            • Ted Nelson says:

              What does that have to do with anything?

              I asked if you watched the game, and your response was basically that it is possible to watch the game. Yet another example of you not even understanding the conversation you’re in and making a totally irrelevant rebuttal.

              • DM says:

                I understand all too well. That’s what bugs you so much.

                • Ted Nelson says:

                  Keep livig in your palace of delusions.

                  What bothers me is that you are ignorant, yet unwilling to learn. Far too many people like you in the world.

                  • DM says:

                    Don’t give up on me! I’m just lost along with all those other people like me in the world. Save us with your teachings lest we fall into the abyss. I’m willing to learn! Please Ted? Please??

                    Hat tip for the chuckle. Your batshit statement gives me and the rest of the unwashed masses an interesting insight as to how you perceive yourself. Only you could make a statement about self-delusion and ignorance while being oblivious to your own. They say truly crazy people don’t know they’re crazy. They think everyone else is off. Whatchya think, Ted?

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      Where did i say i’m not ignorant?

                      As usual I am sticking to the contents of the thread and you are speculating about the personal life of someone you know only as letters on a computer screen. In fact you are going beyon that below to blatantly mistepresent commnts I’ve made over the last two or three years.

    • RetroRob says:

      I think you are reading too much into it.

      He pitched an even better game at AAA level this year. He might go out the next time and walk the park at AA.

      It’s one game. He has shown the ability to pitch well at times, but he can’t be consistent.

      • DM says:

        I agree — but he can walk people people and still get away with it in AA. The strike zone shrinks as you go up the ladder. AAAA guys and ex-big leaguers trying (like Cust and Branyan) won’t do Betances any favors by hacking. AAA will let you dig your own grave more so than the younger, less disciplined hitters of AA and below.

    • Dan says:

      I went to the game and his fastball was electric, but he couldn’t locate with his offspeed pitches. The Portland players weren’t chasing his offspeed pitches either, they just couldn’t make good contact on his fastball. I think that might be the difference between AA and AAA, AAA hitters have an easier time handling 92-95mph fastballs when they know they don’t need to respect off-speed pitches. He had a no-hitter going through the first four innings, but I don’t think I saw him throw an off-speed pitch for a called strike until the 5th or 6th inning.

      • DM says:

        I’m wondering if throwing to Gil had an effect. I could see Betances as one of those guys who needs a personal catcher — or maybe there was some mandate from above as far as pitch calling is concerned.

        • Dan says:

          Gil might have influenced him, I felt like he did a good job of having him use his fastball to get ahead of hitters and when he lost his control he appeared to be able to slow him down and get him back on track. I was also impressed with Gil both defensively and offensively. Based on his season stats I doubt he usually provides this type of offense, but he also made a nice throw to catch a runner trying to steal and Betances seemed slow to the plate which made it more impressive. He did make one throw that wound up going into CF, but I think it was more Pirella or Mujica’s fault for not being able to make the catch. The problem is Gil will not be able to be with him for every start, so even if he did have a calming influence, Betances needs to learn how to pitch to any catcher.

      • murakami says:

        Thanks for sharing your viewing experience. I had to rely on the Trenton broadcast, but I did get to see some video Mike Ashmore kindly posted on his Thunder Thoughts site, and I thought he was dropping in his curve ball on the corner for strikes pretty nicely to complement his fastball, which isn’t real easy to square up, no matter what league he’s pitching in. Portland is one of the more patient AA squads, I have found.

        I’m going to see him pitch Thursday live. Haven’t seen him since Lehigh Valley in April (twice). I think what’s gone down in AAA is actually an outlier. These kinds of results are not typical of Betances at all, and I really don’t think the crux of it is that there’s been a huge jump in quality of hitter, because he doesn’t have conditionally nasty stuff. His problem has been mechanical – even his curve ball in AAA has been round and loopy, not down and biting, which should signal to Betances observers that something is way off kilter.

        • Dan says:

          You might be right. It seemed like his mechanics were a little inconsistent because there were times he was able to get his curve over the plate and other times he was nowhere close. The problem is with his size, it might be hard for him to ever be able to develop that consistency, similar to Brackman. My view was from the third base side so it was harder to tell how far off the plate he was missing, and was easier to tell how far up and down he was missing.

    • Paul VuvuZuvella says:

      Starting to think that at least 90% of his problem is half mental.

  2. Brian S. says:

    Dealin Dellin!

  3. sam says:

    JR heating up hopefully he makes it to trenton by the end of july

  4. Ro says:

    Weird. Betances. This hasn’t been the first time that a pitcher gets smacked around or just doesn’t have it at AAA. I’ve been saying this for over two months that he should either be in the Yanks bullpen, learning, or have been traded somewhere where he would be in a rotation. Forget results and forget the walks. Forget conventional wisdom on this one. He should have had that start on Friday and I guess we can forget that idea for a while since he’ll need to pass through AAA again. Couldn’t have been any worse and I’m a big advocate of just immersing these guys in the real deal. Nova is a good example of this and there are over a dozen others in the league that didn’t have shit in the minors and became better pitchers once they got to the majors. This kid is obviously learning nothing down there and his problems are curable with the right people teaching him.

    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

      His problems reportedly is a lack of athleticism as a very big guy who is therefore unable to repeat his delivery.

      I don’t know that this problem can be corrected with coaching and a move to the pen seems pretty much inevitable regardless of how well he pitches at AA.

      • Ro says:

        It can be corrected. CC is enormous and this kid should be mopping up whatever he does and repeating exactly as he does. What we’re dealing with here sounds like it’s more mental than mechanical, despite the results. I think being around CC and Hughes, who’s also a big guy and has had his struggles, will benefit this kid more than what he is picking up in the minors at this point. I’m just tired of some of these so called “great” arms that have high prospect status toiling around in the minors for years because the Yanks are too apprehensive to give them a chance, even if it means they get slapped around occasionally. Yeah, I know, his ERA is like 17.00 in the minors this season. To me, that means nothing in this case and I don’t know what I feel that. He doesn’t have great trade value right now so there is little benefit or need to keep him stretched out as a starter. Put him in the bullpen or give him a start over these next few weeks. Who cares what happens at this point. Just give it a shot. I mean none of these kids seems to be working out right now, which makes zero sense and somethings got to give (meaning maybe they need to work out their troubles at a major league level) and it’s definitely seeming like the Yanks are doing something wrong with these young arms. I’m usually a very supportive person of all Yankee management decisions, but I often disagree with how they handle their young pitching. Betances would be a #3 on the Astro’s or Twins right now. While he might get crushed doing so, at least he’s learning at a major league level. If its as you say, a lack of athleticism, and not able to be corrected, then maybe the guy shouldn’t be a pitcher at all.

        • tremont says:

          He couldn’t get minor leaguers out! Nova never struggled like that. Look it up. And he and CC are not similar because they are both tall. CC was a 2 time all-star in his FIFTH major league season at the same age. Your entire point is nuts.

        • JD says:

          what a great idea. I am 5’10″. So if I just hang out with Tom Watson, who is my height, and I do everything he does, then I can mimick his golf game.

    • JonS says:

      On the flip-side, could you imagine if he had an outing like Warren? What do you think that would do to him?

      • Ro says:

        The kid is obviously already discouraged this season. I’d go the reverse psychology route and tell the kid that he’s been both good and bad, he’s been in the minors for years, they think highly of him, they want to give him a shot. They understand that he’s had a horrible season and having trouble locating. Be honest with him, send him out there and tell him there is a chance he could get hit hard and let him try to prove it wrong. Worst case, he gets lite up, send him to the pen and work on the mechanics out there. I’m more in the camp of serving these guys up to the lions and letting them learn that way versus coddling them for years NOT facing professional hitters. Like I said, as it stands he’s basically reduced himself to filler for the Yanks as part of a trade. There are a lot of top prospects that flame out. I’d rather him flame out after a few weeks in the majors versus having another who doesn’t get past AAA.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          They demoted him so that he can continue developing towards becoming an MLB starter. Because he needs to get better in order to do that. Your logic that he is now a trade chip who should be sent to MLB to fail is very hard to even understand let alone agree with. The kid is struggling with confidence and control in AAA, so throw him to the sharks rather than work with him to get better?

          And what great prospects have the Yankees kept out of the majors? That’s utter BS.

          • Ro says:

            That’s part of the problem, Ted. “what great prospects have the Yankees kept out of the majors? ” The Yanks in recent years, in fact its been quite a long time are not really producing great prospects so there isn’t any “kept out.” That’s kind of the point in a way. At times you really don’t know what you have until you let it runs its course. I’m just a little tired of seeing potentially good arms be held back, to the point were they fail so often in the minors, that they never even make it to the majors. This seems to happen more often than not for the Yanks. I do understand the Yankees reservations however, that this team expects to win every day and in order to do that, they have to field the best team possible. It is possibly one of the reasons I love the Yanks and management as much as I do and generally support 99% of their decisions. I’ve just thought in recent years that they should have been a little more liberal with that #5 spot in the rotation. Use it like their DH, if that makes sense, and rotate a few different people in and out. What often happens in both the Yanks and us the fans included, look at an arm, like Warren for example, think we’re going to catch lightning in a bottle and he’ll solve our problems or at a minimum, be the “fill in” we seek for available period of time. Instead, it wouldn’t be so terrible to have Warren pitch like he did, get clobbered, send him down, call up Betances, pitch well, send him back down, call up Warren again, give him another shot. I think the pressure gets to these guys a little more than the players themselves are willing to admit. I also have to disagree with your other comment about Betances being in the majors if in another system. I absolutely think he would be on the ML 25 right now on a handful of teams. Look at Andrew Cashner, kind of a good example, in a way. Really well regarded at a prospect (I don’t remember or no how his prospect status compared to Betances), but I do remember he was rated pretty highly at one. He is a little older than Betances, but he got beat up with the Cubs and while they did give him a chance, they didn’t let it run it’s course. Now with the Padres, he’s doing very very well. I don’t know, maybe not a great example, but just making a point of it.

            I’m certainly not stating it’s my way or the highway, I’m just being a little more open minded about the intangibles. Even if Betances (just using him as an example), throws 7 no run innings, while giving up 3 walks and a few hits, I’d send him down, for a few starts and call him back up in two weeks. Maybe the Yanks don’t always need to paint the picture of this is “your big chance.” Maybe tell them they’ll have several chances to pitch regardless of results. If I guy have 4 or 5 shots at a start and gives up 8 runs each time, well, then, perhaps he shouldn’t be pitching in the first place.

            • Ro says:

              ..err typo galore in that one, but hopefully the points are clear enough.

            • Ted Nelson says:

              Their farm has been ranked in the top half of baseball since Opp took over. They’ve had a TON of top prospects, and I can’t recall one that didn’t implode who they didn’t use or trade.

              When someone is failing in the minors it’s not that they’re being held back, it’s that they are holding themselves back. Most prospects fail, and that’s not a Yankees thing. It’s universal.

              Cashner is a TERRIBLE example. That’s the second example you’ve given of a prospect who is cruising, him ad Nova. Do you not realize that Betances has been terrible this season while still in the minors? You really don’t seem to. Cashner was cruising through the minors, ok for te Cubs in MLB in 2010, very good for the Cubs in a tiny sample in 2011, and traded for one of the better prospects in baseball. The Cubs didn’t let thing run their course with Cashner because they traded him for Rizzo. They didn’t give up on him, they traded him for good value. And he was fast tracked as a reliever. Fans woul be up in arms if the Yankees Joba’d Betances two years ago or even coming off last season.

              Is your philosophy really that the org bears all responsibility for the player’s performance and should prote him regardless of performance? That’s how it comes across.

            • tremont says:

              Andrew Cashner dominated in the minors. Check the stats. The two aren’t remotely comparable. If you can show me the list of minor leaguers that can’t throw strikes to the degree Betances is struggling that suddenly figured it out with a big league promotion, I’m all ears.

      • murakami says:

        His stuff is night and day better than Warren’s.

        He’s not failing at AAA because the “hitters are more patient.” This is commentary by people guessing. He’s not repeating his delivery, like, at all. It’s not because someone doesn’t offer at his curveball. He’s having mechanical problems, I suspect because of the overhaul in delivery (they have shortened his stride, with disastrous results). Time to go back to striding out again. He’s a big kid with a high center of gravity. What’s happened this year though, is downright bizarre. I don’t think that it will last, particularly if they halt that shortened stride idea that was not a bright one.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      Did you really call Nova a relevant example for promoting Dellin when he’s allowing like a run and a walk per inning in AAA? Did you really suggest that there is an MLB team that would put Betances in their rotation right now?

    • forensic says:

      There has been clamoring here for calling people from all levels of the minors, but this is probably the first for Betances. Well done.

      • Ro says:

        Like many of us fans and I have seen him pitch live and he has pretty good stuff. Stuff that’s been acknowledged by others in baseball. Opinions from people that actually know what they are talking about (scouts, etc). Betances is just a hot mess right now and I think what I am really trying to state is maybe having him bunk with CC, get slapped around by Pettitte and a WTF is wrong with you by Arod will do this kid some good. :)

        • tremont says:

          Were you baiting us the whole time? I guarantee none of the people that “know what they are talking about” would advocate calling Betances up to the big leagues now.

    • Steve (different one) says:

      The idea that Betances should have started on Friday is batshit insane. This whole stream of ideas is gibberish. Betances would be a #3 in the NL, right now? Huh?

      You might want to sit this next one out, Champ.

      • Ro says:

        ..and your ideas are so fresh and witty. Thanks for the response and allowing someone else to state their thoughts or opinion on the situation. And the “whole stream” is just that — a rambling of thoughts. If you don’t like it, then don’t respond. Champ.

  5. your mom says:

    So let’s keep Dellin in AA so that he can rebuild his trade value.

    • viridiana says:

      On Betances, there is one piece that keeps getting lost here. Many posters speak of Betances control problems as if theiy are longstanding, endemic and unsolvable. But the fact is that until this year, his walk numbers were not all that bad. In 2010, in fact, they were quite low. In 2011, they were not as good but still around 4.5 per nine innings, which is not terrible for a pitcher that often gives up just three or four hits.
      So what happened this year? I can’t prove it, but I suspect his problems are more than just the transition to a better league. Whoever has been wiorking with Dellin at AAA, it would seem, has made things worse. Maybe a return to another pitching coach down in AA — or maybe a return to a prior set of mechanics — would be the best thing now. Betances was never perfect. But he wasn’t a wild man either, and he was a dominating force. He may just have to unlearn what he was taught this year.

      • tremont says:

        Actually he walked 4.99 batters per 9 last year. And he walked guys at a higher rate than that in 09. 2010 seems to be the outlier. Even at last year’s rate, only 2 major leaguers starters are walking more than 4.99 per 9. And Betances hasn’t been at all young for the levels he’s been at. The problem seems pretty endemic to me.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          5 BB/9 is very high, but not insurmountable if you are very hard to hit. Especially in relief. Some of the highest BB guys are successful.

          • tremont says:

            Yes, but it’s nearly impossible to sustain major league success like that without freakish k rates and groundball rates. And that was against Double A hitters. Big league batters would walk a lot more.

      • murakami says:


        I agree that what’s happening right now with Betances seems to be tied to a mechanical tweaking: shortening his stride.

        This is not the Betances of 2010 or even 2011. I really don’t expect these ghastly problems to last.

  6. DERP says:

    Hopefully Dugas continues playing well and gets moved up sometime this season (maybe when Austin gets promoted)

  7. Smart Guy says:

    internet scouts!

  8. John Cerra says:

    When ever I have seen him pitch on TV or the net, his delivery looks very odd mechanically, especially when watching from a center field camera. I thought last year, when he started the Yanks final game, that somebody in NY would have prevailed on him to find a slot and stick to it. I thought Brackman had the same issue, except every so often he would find a nice place and stay there for a while.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      If it was as simple as telling someone why to do there would be no MLB because we could all play at the same level.

  9. Rush Stern- megarobothead says:


  10. Joe says:

    Ted Nelson you think you know everything reading your comments I wonder why you dont work for the Yankees? You obviously have all the answers!

    • Ted Nelson says:

      I know where the reply button is.

    • Danny says:

      Pretty sure he uses common sense to play Devil’s advocate to every questionable point people make … Not that hard.

      • Ted Nelson says:

        Thank you. I was beginning to think that there were only morons left commenting here.

        • Ro says:

          Ted, you evidently need help with whatever it is you’re dealing with. Do I come on here and call people out for their ideas? No. Do I attack other commenters because they are just sitting at their computer thinking aloud, talking about one of the things they are most passionate about? No. Yeah, sure, I’m a little nutty, but it might nice for others to have a different perspective from another fan. Thinking aloud or outside the box shouldn’t be criticized, at least to the extent you do with it. Perhaps that’s why this country is in trouble the way it is. We’re a bunch of sheep and the second someone else voices a different opinion or view point, everyone jumps on them. Fine, call me a moron, but at least you get the ticket for being the leader of dick-heads on here. Sad that I have argue with my of my own fans, which makes me question if you’re an 11 year Red Sox fan in disguise.

          • Ted Nelson says:

            There are like 4 or 5 people who just blatantly called your ideas dumb. I went out of my way to exain to you why your ideas ate not well received. A guy who is allowing over a run per inning in AAA should be called up because of the success had by guys who dominated AAA or at least did well there? I’m all for creative thinking, but there’s a thick line between out of the box an off the reservation.

            And i don’t mean to attack you personally, so sorry for any comments that were personally insulting. I mean to criticize your comments and auggest tht maybe you rethink them. We all need to do that sometimes. Some, like DM, are aimply too stubborn to do so.

            • Ted Nelson says:

              Ait’s mot you opinionsI really have any issue with. It’s the distortion of facts behind them. If you want to be agreesive with prospects, ok. People can argue against you, but it’s your strategy. When you start saying that Dellin is comparable to successful AAA pitchers or that the Yankees have had no top prospects recently… Your points are directly refutable with hard facts.

            • Ted Nelson says:

              Turning off autocorrect was a bad idea… Can’t live with or without it.

              *”And it’s not your opinions I” was how that last one was meant to start

          • Ted Nelson says:

            Well 2/3 a run per inning on the season, but a run per in a lot of starts.

    • DM says:

      If Ted were in charge, Pettitte would be the 8th inning guy, Elijah Dukes would be platooning with Granderson, and Cust, Branyan and Montero would be shoved out into the field to swat at balls — anywhere, really — b/c position doesn’t matter. And no DH days for anyone but those 3. Either you play the field or you’re benched — understand that Tex,Swish,Cano,Jeter,A-Rod???

      • Ted Nelson says:

        None of those are true at all, but thanks for continuing to prove me rigt that you are a total moron who needs to atay in or go back to school.

        I said that if Pettitte showed he still had stuff but no stamina the bullpen was an option. He showed he had stamina.

        I’m flattered that you are so obsessed eith me that you remember something related to Dukes, bu again your comprehension of what I said is AWFUL. I said Dukes on a minor league deal. Give him a shot with a cery short leash.

        I said just yesterday that I think Ibanez/Wise is preferable st the moment to Branyan or Cust.

        It’s so cute that you feel the need to make up things and ignore reality to make me look stupid. My job is so easy: I just let you comment and make yourself look stupid.

        • DM says:

          Only a minor league deal for Dukes?? C’mon Ted. He had a .386 obp in 2008! And his XYZ is LMNOP if you carry the 4 and divide by 6. So it’s certainly possbily probable that he’s somewhat likely to have a chance to maybe display plus levels of beastiness across a selective sample of your choosing!

          You’d be a great GM — for a Sunday slo-pitch beer league softball team. But you probably wouldn’t make the squad unless everyone has to hit or something. Don’t worry though, you can still have a jersey with the number “000″ on the back or something. You can keep score of the game, but don’t forget the cooler and the bags of ice like last time. We’re counting on you, Ted.

  11. Brian S. says:

    Where is the reply button

  12. Elmgrovegnome says:

    Guys like Betances, who have trouble repeating there delivery, will always struggle to repeat there delivery. So, even if he made it to the majors, and had some success, it would not be sustainable. His delivery problems would come back because he lacks the athleticism. repeating a delivery requires athleticism. Either you have it or you don’t. Athleticism is not taught.

    Besides that the Yankees are always in the penant race. They cannot afford to experiment with a player, at the major league level. They aren’t the Royals.

    • Ro says:

      That’s kind of my point above too. The Yanks are in fact not the Royals or the tightwad Braves or the thrifty D-Back’s. I’m not using Rays in this example because 10 years of losing 100 games and drafting top 3 isn’t really an experiment as much as it’s dire need to throw everything against the wall, something they still do today. Point being the Royals, Braves, D-Backs, teams like this make the choice to let their young pitching learn at the MLB level. And you’re right the Yanks are unlike any of them for their reasons of fielding the best team possible for 162 games. This is also why we haven’t produced a pitcher like Pettitte in nearly 20 years. Let’s keep in mind, the Yanks in the early 90′s were basically today’s Royals. This is why the Yanks usually need to go out and trade for or purchase these types of pitchers after they’ve worked out their troubles on these lesser teams and the Yanks generally wind up having to pay an arm and a leg to acquire them. It’s a fact, the Yanks do 9 out 10 things better than other organizations. Cultivating young pitching is that 1 that they don’t do well and it understandable why. I just wish there was an intelligent way to fix this. Let’s face it, the Yanks are never going to get a “sure thing” like Strassburg or Dylan Bundy, who has proven nothing yet, but looks to be one of the most intriguing pitching prodigy I’ve seen in decades. They will never draft top 5, not as long as they continue to win.

      • Ted Nelson says:

        Those teams let their young P who succeed in the minors learn in MLB. Not the ones who are atrocious in the minors. This is a distinction you seem to have a really hard time grasping.

      • tremont says:

        How has that gone for the Royals in the last 20 years or so? Garbage in, garbage out. If you have the players to promote, by all means do so. If not, find other options. By the way, the Yanks have produced Wang, Chamberlain, Hughes, and Nova in the past 7 years. Not to mention Kennedy and Phelps. Not all have panned out as hoped (at least not with the Yankees), but they were all given or are about to be given a chance. They all earned a shot. Dellin has not.

        • Ro says:

          Wouldn’t exactly call Wang a success. He had about 16 months of success and mainly due to one absolutely dominating pitch with that sinker. While I’m a big Joba fan, he’s also not a poster boy of success. Hughes, yeah about 4 years in the majors he’s finally showing consistency and some mild success, which I think kinda illustrates my point or maybe not. Nova is literally that lighting in the bottle we seek. Guy was a rule 5 just a few years ago and I completely remember when he first came up, the expectations were rather low on him. Kennedy doesn’t really count, because again, as it kind of touches on my point, that he wasn’t great with the Yanks they moved him up and down, then traded him and then he realizes better success once he is full time in the big leagues. Phelps has about 20 pro innings under his belt, so he really shouldn’t have been included in your argument. All the while, the Royals cultivated perhaps one of the games top ten pitchers in the last few years in Grienke and while he is no longer with that team, that’s should be considered a success for the Royals.

          • Ted Nelson says:

            Your thought process completey lacks the concept of context. Don’t want to get into every example, but injuries happen in sports and Greinke was the 6th overall pick in the draft.

          • tremont says:

            I’m sorry, Ro, you’re just not getting this. My point was that the Yanks have given guys that have earned the opportunity a chance in the big leagues. Wang earned a job, Hughes earned a job, Kennedy earned a job, Joba earned a job, and Nova earned a job. Kennedy got moved down because he was being beaten to a pulp. I’m not saying they are all raging successes, just that they all earned and received a shot. Betances has not earned a shot. The Royals have drafted in the top 5 just about every year since a person that just hit drinking age was born. They have produced exactly one good pitcher.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      You can have a somewhat high walk rate and still be an MLB P. You’re going way too far to the extreme.

    • Kel says:

      Randy Johnson, who I am not comparing Dellin to but was another tall guy and terrible athlete, didn’t learn how to repeat his delivery until he was 26. And he didn’t become a better pitcher until he was 29.

      • murakami says:


        It’s a good comparison and as someone who has seen Betances throw strikes consistently for convincing stretches, I am not ready to fold on him. The stuff is just way too good, and he’s done it before. I would like to see them release him from the shorter stride. That is making matters worse, it seems to me.

  13. Having a home field, and a mound that he can get comfortable on may do wonders for Dellin. I always worried about him the most when I heard the 2012 AAA team would be road dogs. But i think last night was more about him being ticked off about being demoted. The above poster who said he was throwing mostly FB sounds like a guy who had some angst to burn off.

    • Ro says:

      You know what Steve, you make a fine point about the AAA scheduling conflicts this season and its something I completely neglected to mention in my comments above. While I’m firm with my reasoning, this only has to compound the issues he’s had with his consistency.

      • Ted Nelson says:

        What reasoning?

        • Ro says:

          It’s got to be the penis pump you’re using, because there is no other explanation for your attitude.

          • Ted Nelson says:

            I was serious. You went on for paragraphs and were hard to understand. What is your reasoning?

            What I took from it was: Betances is struggling because the Yankees are holding him back and there are many examples of teams bringing up equally struggling Ps to MLB. I feel like I must have misunderstood something.

  14. Mike Ashmore says:


    Betances talking about his outing, AAA struggles, etc.

  15. Joe says:

    Glad to see its not just me who thinks Teddy Nelson is a dick who thinks he knows it all plus with all his comments on here I feel like he has a lot of time on his hands maybe he could use that time for other things

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