Gardner suffers another setback during rehab

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Game 58: Win It For Brett

4:59pm: Via Marc Carig, Gardner will see Dr. James Andrews on Monday and Dr. Tim Kremcheck at his agent’s request as well. Brian Cashman confirmed that they have not yet had discussions about adding another outfielder.

4:16pm: Looks like it’s time for the Yankees to start thinking about exploring the trade market for an outfielder. Ken Rosenthal reports that Brett Gardner woke up this morning with pain in his strained right elbow and will head for tests on Monday. Gardner felt some stiffness the other day but it wasn’t considered serious. He played in his first minor league rehab game since his original setback last night. Gardner has only played in nine of the team’s 57 games this season and Joe Girardi said he doesn’t expect him back before the All-Star break.

Obviously rushing into a trade wouldn’t be the smartest thing in the world, but the club has to at least start thinking about potential outside options. With Chris Dickerson healthy and playing again in Triple-A, it’s probably worth calling him up and cutting Dewayne Wise. He’s an upgrade in basically every single way.

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  • Chris

    Another tough setback, who do you think are possible trade targets for a replacement? I think the red sox have signed every available outfielder haha

    • Midland TX

      Marlon Byrd DFA’d yesterday.

      (ducks)

      • http://fendersonandhampton.com Cuso

        Don’t duck. As soon as I saw that before I even heard about Gardy I though they’d go after him.

      • DM

        I could see that. Girardi loves Byrd. I thought they might pluck McClouth when he was dumped too — but he’s gone now. Maybe they’ll give Nunez some time in the OF in AAA when he returns.

        • Steve (different one)

          Almost afraid to ask, but how do we know Girardi loves Byrd?

          • DM

            Girardi praised him effusively — and publicly — before he signed with Cubs. Michael Kay said the same of Girardi’s fondness for Byrd when he was available in ’09. I could see them picking him up since it doesn’t cost anything now. I could also see a pursuit of DeJesus as this goes beyond just missing Gardner’s impact. They had little quality OF depth to begin with — and there’s nothing to say that one of the current starters won’t get hurt at some point as well. But despite all the Ibanez bashing, he looks a lot better out there now that he’s playing defense most days. No range — but I don’t cringe nearly as much when he tracks the ball.

      • Ro

        No offense and I’m not targeting you directly, but that’s dumb. Wise is clearly a better option if given the choice btw the two. At least Wise has great range and provides the all field depth the Yanks need, kind of like Gardner. Byrd looked horrible in the field in Boston, which at this stage, should be his strength. As for batting, it’s a wash. I actually don’t see any issue’s with the line-up as constructed an the Yanks should just be patient at this point with Gardner.

  • John

    Quentin?

  • Pat D

    My dad just suggested Johnny Damon. I am now yelling at my dad for being stupid.

    But, really, who might be out there? I wouldn’t want Quentin. He’s injury prone and not that great a defender, either. I’m afraid they might be out of luck.

    • RetroRob

      Maybe this will open the door for the Yankees to explore a trade for Josh Willingham.

      • Pat D

        Not a fan of his contract.

        Also, isn’t he pretty bad defensively?

        • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

          He’s so bad defensively. BUT THE DUDE RAKESSSSSS.

        • forensic

          The difference between his contract and Span’s contract (who you said was fine) is $2 million over 2 years. Span gets the advantage in defense and speed, but Willingham has the clear advantage in offense.

          I would prefer Willingham as a Gardner, Granderson, Span outfield for the next 2 years would certainly be able to go get it, but it’d be a bit light on the offensive production. Willingham would hurt the D, but it’s not like he’s replacing Willie Mays in Swisher.

          • Pat D

            Guess I thought Willingham was signed for more than that.

            I also didn’t think that acquiring Span means your outfield going forward is him, Grandy and Gardy. Other adjustments can be made.

  • Bo Knows

    If two whole months is not getting that arm right, I’m seriously starting to think surgery might be the only option.

    • 28 this year

      If its a strain, surgery doesn’t do anything. Just cause its a serious injury doesn’t mean surgery is the only way to fix it. I dnn’t know whats wrong with him but surgery isn’t definitely necessary.

    • CP

      It’s not really 2 months though. It’s a couple of weeks, then trying to get back out there and reinjuring it. The a couple more weeks and another setback. The solution may simply be a longer layoff before restarting activities.

  • RetroRob

    Damnit.

    Something that first seemed innocuous and day-to-day has turned out to be everything but.

  • Pat D

    Also, am I not the only one who finds this really frustrating? They never find anything serious but then after he exerts himself he’s in pain again. What the hell are they missing?

    • Sarah

      Concur. It really didn’t seem like anything serious at the time, and now he can’t rehab it without getting hurt again, so it sure seems like something is being missed. But what?

    • RetroRob

      Trust me. You’re not the only one that finds this frustratng, from Yankee fans, to the Yankee organization to Gardner.

      Totally one of the odder injuries of late because it just didn’t seem that big. I thought he might have scrapped his forearm, or at worst might miss a couple games with a strain. Now the fact that can’t even find anything wrong, yet it won’t go away, is frustrating. Even more so if he ends up having surgery and two months were wasted when he could be recovering.

    • BK2ATL

      I understand your point, but doesn’t it also seem like Gardner’s hurt every year for an extended period of time???

      • Sarah

        He wasn’t hurt last year at all.

        • Mister D

          Right, but not counting years when he’s not hurt.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        He played in 150+ games in 2010 and 2011 and was a part-time player before that.

        • BK2ATL

          Didn’t say that it was fact. I just said it seemed like it. Seems like he’s the starting OF who’s absence least affects us.

          And in 2009, he was the starting CF coming out of ST.

          • RetroRob

            “He seems like the starting OF who’s absence least affects us?”

            Possibly, but he is missed. Quite a bit, actually.

            • BK2ATL

              We’re still winning with the likes of Jones, Ibanez, Nix, and Wise filling in for him. And we’ll win with Dickerson coming up for him as well.

              I’m not so certain the same could be said if it were Grandy or Swisher out for an extended period. As much as some of us love Gardner’s defense and speed, LF is the most easily replaceable OF position on most teams.

              • Ted Nelson

                Not sure Swisher is any better than Gardner, and RF is a pretty easy place to find a bat too. Granderson the last two years, absolutely… Though Gardner would be a defensive upgrade at least if Granderson were the only OF out.

      • DM

        He does get hurt but he usually plays with it. Lots of jammed thumbs and wrists. This latest injury is bad if he’s not attempting to play through it. And the games played quotes are misleading too — it’s starts. He comes into games late for defense a lot.

        • Steve (different one)

          How is that misleading if we are talking about him being hurt? If he’s hurt, he’s not going to be coming into games for defense.

          • DM

            He still came into games to play defense when his jammed thumb wouldn’t allow him to grip and swing a bat. Mike said he played 150+ games; I just mentioned that he didn’t start 150 games. He was less of a full time player than Mike was suggesting. That’s all.

  • Pat D

    I just remember that play, watching him go down for the ball and saying to myself, “Just play it off the hop, Brett!”

    If only, if only…

    • forensic

      I see what you’re saying, but a huge part of his value is that he can go get balls like that and make plays like that. Every time you lay back and just get it on a hop because you’re playing somewhat scared you get a little closer to just putting Ibanez out there just to keep his bat in the lineup.

      Unfortunately, it’s just a risk you have to live with for a player of his style.

  • Mike B

    Maybe they just call up Dickerson?

  • mike

    What about domonic brown, cloud play left this year then slide into right field next year when Swisher leaves.

  • mike

    What about domonic brown, could play left this year then slide into right field next year when Swisher leaves.

    • JonS

      Brown is like a downgrade from Ibanez in the field. Lol

      • Bo Knows

        Brown takes dumb reads, but he’d be a huge upgrade and a big boost offensively. He really needs a change of scenery, especially considering the Phillies hate him

        • Ted Nelson

          A boost offensively over Wise, maybe

  • Voice of Reason

    Who misses (very conservatively) three months with repeated elbow strains? 2012.

    Hopefully Cashman can sell signing Soler as a reactionary move, because I don’t think there are any wise trades to be made.

    • crawdaddie

      Soler isn’t playing in the majors this year.

      • Voice of Reason

        no shit.

        Just saying, maybe make a positive of this and convince ownership to shell out.

        • crawdaddie

          I seriously doubt Gardner’s injury is going to cause the Yankee ownership to spend 25M on Soler.

          • Voice of Reason

            It couldn’t hurt, and it’s not a matter of “cause.”

            I’m not saying what I think you want me to be saying. Gardner’s going to be out for a really long time, that sucks. There are no particularly attractive trade options out there. Hopefully instead of making a vintage bad knee-jerk trade in, they don’t, and blow some money on Soler instead.

          • G

            Well to justify the idea, Cashman could use it to point out the relative lack of depth in the outfield and convince ownership to sign Soler since with Swisher and Grandy’s contracts up soon as well the number of outfielders will thin out further.

            Still, the way they’re saying it makes no sense.

    • CS Yankee

      +1

      actually, it’ll likely take 30M$, but thats peanuts before 7-2-12.

  • Jacob

    This really sucks, I love gardy he is such a dynamic player and really brings like to our lineup and is an amazing defender. Dickerson would be better than ibanez in left and Wise at all so yea I would say call him up Let gardy get all the rest he needs we need him 100%!

  • crawdaddie

    Time to send him to Andrews to look at his elbow as this is getting ridiculous.

  • Erica

    This is SUCH a bummer. I know I’m not the only one who terribly misses Gardy’s presence on the team.

    I agree with the Dickerson fans here- it would be nice to see him in the outfield.

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    It looks like the Yankees complete lack of outfield prospects in their upper minor league teams is going to bite them on the ass this year.

  • LiterallyFigurative

    Call up Dickerson.

  • Chris

    Relax guys, its brett gardner we’re talking about. am i the only one who thinks his defense and his legs are the only valuable pieces he has? guy’s a scrub.

    • Mister D

      Atleast he’s two dimensional, right? The only valuable piece of Sabathia is his pitching.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He’s not a star but he’s no scrub. Foolish to think he is. And that’s coming from someone who isn’t a fan of defense-first players.

    • forensic

      You’re overstating it, but, if we accept your premise, his defense is among (if not is clearly) the best in the majors and his legs are too. His legs are also the only ones that are a consistent threat on the team with Nunez in AAA.

      There’s big value in both of those, especially for a mostly one-dimensional offensive and arguably mediocre defensive team like the Yankees.

      • Ted Nelson

        One dimensional offense? Go troll elsewhere

        • forensic

          You’re right. They’ve won all those games with big-time clutch RISP hits and so many of them without hitting a single homerun…

          • forensic

            Oh, and how could I forget all those game-changing stolen bases they’ve had.

          • Ted Nelson

            Because hitting with RISP is a baseball skill and not luck?

            They’re 7th in BB%, 6th in BA, 4th in OBP, 2nd in SLG, and 3rd in baserunning… what dimension are you referring to?

        • Manny’s BanWagon

          Since when did stating a pretty obvious fact become trolling?

          • forensic

            He’s working out his issues by trying to have a vendetta against me the last two days. No matter what I say, he’ll try to go the opposite way.

            • Manny’s BanWagon

              No troll could be as irritating as he is by just being himself.

              • DM

                What’s sad is that I don’t think it has anything to do with baseball at this point. He was spanked in the other thread so the OCD hit-n-run routine will continue. Someone says “up”, he’ll say “down” (plus a snide remark) until he burns out of his tantrum.

                • Ted Nelson

                  The only person on this site who gets spanked is you

            • Ted Nelson

              You have to be the most pessimistic commenter on here. That comes across quite a bit like just trolling. Everything is wrong, everyone is bad, nothing is good… take a zoloft or something.

          • Ted Nelson

            When it’s an ignorant narrative and not a fact at all?

            Which dimension? They’re top 5 in OBP, SLG, and BsR.

    • Bo Knows

      Elite Defense, devil on the basepaths, works counts, gets a high percentage of walks, will give you at least a .260 average. Gardner is far from a scrub. He’ll never be an elite or even a great player but he is a very good, above average baseball player.

    • RetroRob

      I don’t think you have any idea what a scrub is.

    • BK2ATL

      I guess you’re being facetious. He’s replaceable, but certainly not a scrub.

  • crawdaddie

    Right move sending Gardner to see other doctors like Kremchek and his mentor, Andrews.

  • Mister D

    I’m voting for Seth Smith if he’s reasonably available. I’m voting against Willingham.

  • Robert

    Something bold Bring up Mason Williams and Tyler Austin. Granderson will be dead by the playoffs. We dont have a back up CF. The shot of youth will rejuvinate the Yankee line up… Get rid of the 2 geriatric outfielders who are not even adequette DH’s.We still will have plenty of oldtimers on the roster!!!!

    • Bo Knows

      Did you invent some kind of hot tub time machine and kidnap the fully matured Mason and Austin?

  • Robert

    Lets not trade away another potential allstar for a quick fix ala Melky was dumped for Vasquez

    • Steve (different one)

      Lol

  • Steve (different one)

    Yeah, no. Not Bold, insane.

  • Frank

    Cash- get Denard Span. He’s young, lefty, and excellent fielder and signed to a team friendly contract for I believe another 2 years (at least). Fills in nicely now for Gardner and for Swisher next year.

    • Pat D

      $4.75 million next year, $6.5 million in 2014, $9 million or $500k buyout in 2015.

      Might not be a bad idea.

      • CP

        And how much will it take to get him?

    • Steve (different one)

      Spam would be an ok option if his contract was up this year or even next year. But, he’s signed through 2014 with an option for 2015. It’s not going to happen, he’s not that good.

      • Steve (different one)

        Actually misread his contract details, thought it was $9M in 2014. Still think its unlikely, but slightly less so.

  • http://fendersonandhampton.com Cuso

    This sucks.

  • Lukas

    Christ Dickerson stinks. He is not much better than Wise. Neither belongs on a major league roster.

    They need to make a deal. Might be useful to get a legitimate, solid player as opposed to some middling talent. Deal some of our overrated prospects if needs be, including Betances if at all possible.

  • LarryM.,Fl.

    Its a frustrating injury that has our team playing without one of its pivotal players. Gardner is a force on defense covering the expansive left field. his speed with turning singles and walks to doubles and once an awhile a triple is missed. His bat can be surprising and consistent with getting on base from the nine spot. Also, he gives Granderson some rest in CF whom is starting to show signs of needing a day off soon.

    Along with all this Jeter with no Nunez to give him a rest. This team is fortunate to be 1/2 game out at this time.

  • All Of The Above

    What are you talking about? Chris Dickerson IS an upgrade over Dewayne Wise. I mean what does Wise do, just play awesome defense? He can’t even hit at all compared to Dickerson.

  • vin

    Forget Dickerson, they should call up Dr. House.

    • Betty Lizard

      LOL. (Between my tears.)

  • Bartolo’s Colon

    this sucks, this will not end well, see you in june 2013 brett

  • Ro

    A lot of recommendations on here.

    The Yankee’s will not trade for Quentin or Willingham. Both have great bat’s but lack in the defensive category. Considering cost and age and Swisher being a free agent, I don’t see why Cashman would make either deal, when theoretically, he can just re-sign Swisher for slightly more after the season. Plus, both have primarily played RF in their careers, so I don’t know how the transition would be.

    Soler even if signed, wouldn’t see playing time in the majors this season. The Yanks need to polish off a few corners with him before he sets foot on a MLB field.

    There will be no Johnny Damon or Marlon Byrd as Wise is a meaningfully better defender and at the plate basically a wash.

    Dominic Brown really actually isn’t that good, which is a shame, because he “HAD” a lot of potential. It’s like someone sapped it out of him.

    No to Denard Span. Well, maybe, but he is the only name in this discussion that resembles any bit of sense, but still based on cost, etc, I say Nah…

    Not quite sure Dickerson is the answer as Mike illustrates above and to cut Wise. Wise is a really good defender. I’d rather the Yanks hold on to him until this whole Gardner thing is sorted out and perhaps for the rest of the season. I’d rather see the Yanks release Sweaty Freddy if they need that spot of the roster to bring up Dickerson or trade for an OF.

    I don’t really have any solid suggestions at the moment. It’s likely Gardner’s injury isn’t a prolonged “into next season” type of scenario, so I am not sure the Yanks need to make a big trade splash at the deadline. My greatest concern however, which I am sure the Yanks are fully aware of is that Ibanez has been playing a lot in the field and relatively well, but the dude is 40 and this everyday play can’t be good for his body.

    I’d say go all in for Cargo, but his contract is heavily back-loaded and that’s definitely not what the Yanks seek at the moment. It’s a shame, because the Rockies and Yanks could match up really well for a lot of pieces.

    The best player I have in mind, if the Yanks really feel compelled to make a move is Justin Upton. The D’Backs wouldn’t be selling low and the fact that Cashman and Towers have the relationship that they do, I don’t think there would be any confusion with that. Upton clearly is getting his jive on in Arizona right now, for whatever reason and maybe better playing elsewhere. Towers could take 1 top prospect and two complimentary pieces. I’d be ok with Romine, Campos and Phelps, if that could do it. I don’t know though. Or the Yanks just stay smart, show some patience, sign Soler for the $15mm it will likely take. Have Soler, Austin and Williams in the minors (both Austin and Williams will be promoted in the next month to double A or maybe even higher, maybe). Bite the bullet for the season.

  • Ro

    Also, if the Phillies mail it in, which it sure as hell looks like they will, maybe Hunter Pence considering he will only be in contract for the remainder of the season. Since he doesn’t have any contract length, that works for the Yanks and it really won’t make him “that valuable” for the Phillies. They could make him a qualifying offer so maybe there is something to that for the Phils. I guess. Not sure who the Yanks could or would give up, however.