Jul
23

Monday Night Open Thread

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Only two more West Coast night games left, so hooray for that. Here is your open thread for the night. The Mets are playing the Nationals (Young vs. Zimmermann) plus ESPN will show the Red Sox at the Rangers (Doubront vs. Feldman) as well. Feel free to talk about those games, the NY Rangers trading for Rick Nash, or anything else you want here until the regular game thread comes along. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread

127 Comments»

  1. flamingo says:

    What a night.

    The more I think about this move, the more I like it. I think he can contribute and I like that he’s being accommodating.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      Yep.

      Rick Nash was a fantastic trade, will likely not only be rejuvenated going to a top-notch contending team, but also will likely be on Richards line, and Nash has never had a center as good as Brad Richards. Also, the Rangers didn’t give up essential pieces to get him – Dubinsky isn’t all that great, neither is Anisimov. I really think what crippled New York in the Conference Finals was the fact that they couldn’t score enough goals, a problem they barely got around facing a 41-41 Ottawa team, and a 42-40 Washington team. I believe they scored 0-2 goals in 13 of their 20 playoff games, which put way too much pressure on Hank, and even the best in the biz can’t hold up like that forever.

      I think New York, as presently constructed, repeats as regular season conference champions, and are better constructed to get through the playoff field. I thought Glen Sather was done being a good GM many years ago, but he’s been pretty solid since the Gomez/Redden fiasco’s. Very good trade, indeed.

      Wait, you were referring to the Ichiro trade? Shit, moving on…

      • flamingo says:

        Ha, I was, but I think you’re right and a goal scorer is rather desperately needed.

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          Yeah, I really typed out that entire post for the purpose of irony. I knew it was Ichiro-related, but I couldn’t pass up a chance to plug hockey. Lord knows I don’t get to do that often enough.

      • Brian S. says:

        Disagree. Ansiminov and Dubinsky were 2/3rds of a great tough minutes line (and two of the better play drivers on the Rangers) and Nash is a mediocre possession forward, barely coming out even last year and needing very favorable zone starts to come out ahead in 2010-2011. Also his contract is terrible.

  2. MR.ZB says:

    Really, this is the pic you guys go with on a day like this? #Ichiro

  3. I don’t know if anybody on here is from the Ridgefield Park area of NJ…if you are Order from The Fire Pit Grill. One of the best burgers I’ve ever had, and their fries are heavenly when hot and come pre-salt and peppered.

  4. Dewayne is Wise says:

    All i did for you guys
    Shit.

  5. Banzai Kid!!!. says:

    Championship !

  6. Hall and Nokes says:

    I really don’t get soccer in a baseball stadium. Roger Goodell should ask to play next year’s NFL London game at Lord’s Cricket Ground.

  7. Erica says:

    Can it be 10:10 already? Please? PLEASE?

  8. RetroRob says:

    Ichiro’s fWAR this year is greater than Ibanez and Jones combined.

  9. Erica says:

    Ichiro = #31

  10. The Real Greg says:

    Bryan Hoch just tweeted that Girardi said that he planned to keep Ichiro in the bottom third of the lineup.

    Take that Reynolds.

  11. Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

    Ichiro wearing #31.

    Hopefully he can do Javy Vazquez II proud.

  12. forensic says:

    Heh, Ichiro playing catch pregame with granderson. Does he throw the ball, then run in to catch it from grandy, then run back and throw to be able to work his arm over and over?

  13. King Charles The Great says:

    WWE Raw’s 1000th episode! For any wrasslin’ fans here. Heh.

  14. Nathan says:

    Must be weird for Ichiro to take pre-game fielding in his “old” ballpark as a Yankee. Nice to see he’s still talking to the fans and interacting with them.

    I appreciate players that take the time to talk with fans, even if just a little. Doesn’t cost them anything and could make a fan’s day and/or park experience better.

  15. Mike N says:

    Somebody went for pizza on 50th Street last night, and was supposed to report back to us.

  16. Kempire Strikes Back says:

    Was just looking through some comments at USSMariner.com (a very good Mariners blog), and most of the commenters were happy that Ichiro was gone and has now has a chance to win a championship on a team where for the first time in his career he hasn’t been under tremendous pressure to perform.

  17. The Real Greg says:

    I dont know if this is true but…

    Mike Sielski ?@MikeSielskiWSJ
    “Domo arigato, Ichiroboto!” –what John Sterling will say after Ichiro homers. #NYY #Yankees

  18. Monterowasnotdinero says:

    Hof’ers on Yanks:

    Jeter
    ARod
    Ichiro
    Mo
    CC
    Andy?
    Cano?

    • Monterowasnotdinero says:

      Andruw. That’s alot for one roster.

      • Pat D says:

        1932 Yankees:

        Earle Combs
        Bill Dickey
        Lou Gehrig
        Lefty Gomez
        Tony Lazzeri
        Herb Pennock
        Red Ruffing
        Babe Ruth
        Joe Sewell

    • Jacob says:

      Jeter Alex and Mo are all locks (if they overlook alex’s roids)

      Ichiro is probably a lock but there are some cases against him.

      Andy should be one too and if he comes back next year and gets his 250th win and he has a good chance at 2,500ks so he would improve his already good chance

      Andruw has a shot but will probably fall short

      Cano and CC are on a HOF path

      Stuart is going to kill us for the Alex comment

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        I hope you’re right about Andy. I think Andruw falls short as well. Still a lot of Robbie Cano baseball to be played.

    • vin says:

      I suppose Robby’s in the mix from an offensive standpoint… Although he probably needs another 5 years similar to his 5 or 6 best thus far to be a serious contender. Of course, he needs to maintain his good defensive reputation as well. God knows he’s a mediocre (at best) baserunner.

      http://www.fangraphs.com/compa.....42,1011411

  19. pat says:

    Fittingly the last time the Mariners played a game without Ichiro in the organization was a loss to the Yankees in 2000. Hopefully the next is a loss to the Yankees too.

  20. vin says:

    Thought this was ironic timing… (from MLBTR)

    “On this date three years ago left-hander Mark Buehrle pitched a perfect game against the Rays with an impressive effort punctuated by the most memorable catch of Dewayne Wise’s career. Here are today’s links…”

  21. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    I’m celebrating with a very nice bottle of Sake. It’s called Wandering Poet. Sub’ Poet for HOF’er.

  22. Does anybody else find it kind of funny that the Ichiro thread has as many or more comments than some game threads?

  23. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    Not really. Biggest day ever on the site was a non-trade. Transactions bring everyone out hungry for information.

  24. YankeesJunkie says:

    Hopefully, Ichiro moves to LF once Swisher gets over his groin injury.

    • vin says:

      Not sure how big a deal it is, but as I said in the Ichiro! thread, he’s NEVER played LF before. Sticking him out there in a pennant chase probably won’t be as bad as Sheffield playing 1st, but it may have some problems.

      • pat says:

        I hear you, but I’d still rather Ichiro on a bad day in LF than Swishies waddling around out there.

      • Paul VuvuZuvella says:

        Sheffield 1B = Acid Flashback.

      • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

        Not NEVER, but maybe only once.

        http://www.baseball-reference......0220.shtml

        I would think just changing sides of the OF would be something that could be adjusted to relatively quickly, though.

        • jjyank says:

          Agreed. It won’t be that bad. It’s not like he was playing RF in one stadium and then had to change. He’s switching stadiums anyway, and he already knowns how to flag down fly balls. I’m sure he’d be fine.

        • Brian S. says:

          That’s what I thought before seeing Ibanez in RF earlier this season.

          • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

            Ibanez was starting out as a bad OF though (and he’d played RF many times before, anyways). I would think an athletic, good OF should be able to quickly adjust.

      • YankeesJunkie says:

        There is no reason to expense Swisher’s bat for Ichiro’s defense, also the whole small RF in Yankee Stadium.

    • forensic says:

      Girardi has already said that their plan is for him to play left, not stay in right.

      • YankeesJunkie says:

        That makes sense and maximizes his utility to the Yanks with his awesome defense. It will be nice have a defense with that much land superiority.

  25. Brooklyn Ed says:

    Oh how fitting would it be to have Ichiro hits his 100th career homer as a Yankee against Seattle this next 2 days!

  26. Brian S. says:

    I want Ibanez, Ichiro, Rodriguez, and Montero to go yard today. It would be the most awkward game ever.

  27. Mike N says:

    Pizza report?

  28. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    Best OF Arm on the Yankees since ??? I’m going Joe Lefebvre.

  29. jjyank says:

    Good lord, I’m watching the MLBN waiting for the Yankee game and I’ve heard this twice in half an hour:

    “YOU CANNNNN PUDDITT ON THE BOOOOOOOAAAAAARRRRRDDD YESSSS!! …… YESSSSSSS!!!”

    *vomits*

  30. pat says:

    Mariners fans think Ichiro should get 51 because he is “much better than Bernie Williams ever was”. This feeds right into my “Bernie Williams was one of the most underrated Yankees of all time” theory-

    Ichiro age 27-37 .326/.370/.421 95hr 10GG 423 SB .791 ops 115 OPS+
    Bernie age 27-37 .303/.388/.496 237hr 4GG 97SB .884 ops 129 OPS+

    So yeah, Bernie Williams was really freaking good. For comparisons sake I used the same age range, but that excludes two very good years Bernie had when he was 25 and 26.

    • jjyank says:

      Bernie stole my heart long ago. You don’t need to convince me.

    • Rocky Road Redemption says:

      Bernie was a top of the line player. He’s only underrated in history, when he was actually playing he was more or less universally considered a superstar from what I remember.

    • Pat D says:

      To Mariner fans, I would say, to quote Kevin Kline in A Fish Called Wanda:

      “You know what your problem is? You don’t like winners!”

    • RetroRob says:

      Is that what Mariners fans are sayiing? I doubt that’s what most think but probably the ones chattering on Twitter, but even if Ichiro was better (and it would have to be based on the combinations of his talents driven by his superior fielding, certainly not his hitting), what Ichiro did in Seattle wearing #51 has nothing to do with the Yankees and contributions of a life-long Yankee.

  31. Pat D says:

    Oh, good, The Rock is back.

    I don’t miss you, Rock. Please continue to make crappy movies.

  32. Paul VuvuZuvella says:

    So I far prefer this deal to giving up a boatload for Upton or a lot for Span.

  33. YankeesJunkie says:

    Any reason why Granderson has been so bad in defensive metrics on both fangraphs and baseball reference. If so if Gardner comes back next year it may be a good idea to move him CF and Granderson to LF.

    • jjyank says:

      I agree that Gardner is the better defensive player, but defensive metrics mean jack shit in less than one season’s sample size.

      • pat says:

        As much as it pains me to say it, that observation kinda jives with my amateur eye test. He takes too many false steps imo. Maybe his depth perception is a little off or something, but he seems to get a bad read or two off the bat every game. Most of the time he can make up for it with his speed, but sometimes he doesn’t. Hit one off to the side, however and he’ll flag them down no problem.

      • YankeesJunkie says:

        This is his second year in a row at least in UZR and his BR stats have been below average for quite a few years.

  34. Pat D says:

    About Andy Pettitte’s chances for the Hall of Fame, I think he won’t make it, though he should hang around the ballot for a long time. Unless too many ‘roid users are left on the ballot and people don’t have room to vote for him.

    I also think people will hold a few things against him: low number of All-Star appearances, not very strong showings in Cy Young voting (only 2 finishes 4th or better), high ERA, and the ties to Clemens and HGH.

    I also think a lot of voters will say that other guys were better, such as Jack Morris, Curt Schilling and Mike Mussina. So we’ll have to see if those guys get in or not.

  35. RetroRob says:

    Welcome.

    Just stay away from the game threads. It’s where the crazies roam.

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