Friday Night Open Thread


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So here we are, the first open thread of many this offseason. It doesn’t feel that weird yet because there is still baseball to be played, at least five more games, just none involving the Yankees. Yeah it stinks, but that’s life. Time to move on and focus on the offseason, which I’m guessing with be the most active for New York since the 2008-2009 spending spree.

Anyway, you folks know how these things work by now, so feel free to talk about any non-politics topic here. The Cardinals have a chance to advance to the World Series with a win over the Giants tonight (Lynn vs. Zito, 8pm ET on FOX), and that’s pretty much it sports-wise. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Could you pry Kenp away from the Dodgers?

    Cano/A-Rod for Kemp? Prob have to take back Ted Lilly and Juan Uribe, and pay some of A-Rod’s salary…but get them drunk off the idea of a A-Rod, Hanley, Cano, A-Gon infield…

    • jjyank says:

      Probably need to just straight up get them drunk. Like, cheap tequila at a strip club, drunk. Like, Colletti wakes up in the morning, calls Don Mattingly to scream at him for not putting Kemp in the line up that day, only to have a sudden flash back that he traded Kemp in a drunken stupor the night before.

  2. Elton Cod says:

    I wish the most recent MLB labor agreement included an “amnesty clause”, like the recent NBA labor agreement. The new NBA labor agreement instituted more stringent salary cap/luxury tax levels and more stringent limits on individual contracts. So teams could use the “amnesty clause” to get rid of one bad contract they had signed before the new labor agreement. The team still has to pay the money remaining on the contract, but it would not count toward the luxury tax. (Also, the player would be free to go sign anywhere else).

    If the MLB had this, we could use it on A-Rod and get rid of that underperforming overpaid flirtatious joke of a baseball player. And it wouldn’t count toward the luxury tax, so the el cheapo Steinbrenners couldn’t use it as an excuse to sabotage the team for the next 5-10 years.

    • MannyGeee says:

      And if the queen had balls she’d be king…

      Face it dude, the only way you get away with not seeing a rod in the line up for the next 5 seasons is by becoming a Mets fan… Also, please become a Mets fan. Thanks

  3. Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

    Is the entire FO still being cleared out, coaching staff being fired, and everybody being traded? Or is it safe yet?

    • jjyank says:

      Probably somewhere in between.

    • Pat D says:

      I fired everyone in my front office, including myself.

      Then I realized I have no front office and am merely desperate for attention. My next act along this line will be to write inane articles about how the Yankees suck, need to be broken apart, still suck, and have no chance at success any time in the near future. But I will still be desperate for attention after that. Anyone have good ideas along those lines?

    • TomH says:

      Not quite safe. They’re still putting forward ridiculous trade scenarios, still under the spell cast on them by the media’s ARod obsession.

  4. Big Member says:

    Good evening folks. The season is officially over and Big Member will cover his second favorite part of the baseball season.Huraaaay!
    First things first folks. We need to do something aout the offense. after watching the playoffs i anazlised our team and the conclusion that our offense did not score much runs. i will aim to improve our team’s offense first.

    however, i would like to tell you about the breakthrough in my research first. many ofyou may know that i have spend alot of time analizing the Robbie-Alex- Melky friendship.for those of you who are not aware of my qualitative research, i will sumamarize it briefly. arod, robbie and melky were the best of chumps until people arod came out of the closet about he steroids. the team traded melky away to the giants but the gang still spend their winters together in the dominican republic. however, robbie started more time away from them. until the all star break that is. during the all star break, robbie refused to give melky a high five after melky hit a homer. why would he do that big member? the answer came by itself after melky was cought with steroids. cano disproved meky’s actions.

    i thought my research was done but until a revelation happened yesterday in wendys. Me and my buddy Clay were eating lunch and debating on our favorite topic: baseball. he told me that our offense wasnt doing very well becasue robbie and arod werent hitting the ball. i said to clay “clay why do you think arod and robbie arent hitting the ball” and clay said “i dont know”. but unlike clay, I am a seeker of truth. i started thinking and thinking and then said to clay “clay do you remember when brawn from the brewers was cought with steroids? he was cought in the post season”. then the revelation hit me. i finished my fries, grabbed my milkshake and ran back home. becasue what i realized was genious. i came home, opened the door, looked in the mirror and said

    ” Big member, I think you need to get vannila milk shake next time. And Arod and Robbie may have done steroids”

    as some of the smartest commentators here know, steroid testing never happens in the season it only happens the post season. i think its safe to belive that arod and cano may have used steroids in the season but stoped doing so in the post season. brawn was busted becasue he did not stop juicing in the post season but arod tought robbie well.

    oh my god you may say. big member what will we do with them now? I have the answer. we shall trade them. we will make them our Trojan horses. we will corrupt a team that is already corrupted so that it can never be uncorupted again.

    we will make boston an offer they cant refuse. and before you say “wow big member your so dumb this trade would never happen”i will tell you that it already did. I have tested this trade in MLB2K12 and Boston accepted. so if I see any negative comments for my trade suggestion, i will assume you are trolling. So, we will trade them arod,granderson and cano for pedroia and middlebrooks under one condition. red sox will have to sign melky as well. arod will probably pay melky’s contract anyway becasue hes best friends with him so that is not an issue.

    then, arod, cano and melky will all juice in the pre season becasue they are not getting tested. then, before the first game begins, brian cashman will phone bud selig and tell him to test the red sox for steroids. half of boston’s hitters will be suspended and the organization will forever be doomed. mean while, yankees will save a lot of money and salvage boston’s good hitters.

  5. Pinstripes In Cali says:

    Axisa, why are you so adamant about no politics chatter? Isn’t that better than the ne’er-do-wells that come here to talk about how the Yankees are the worst team in history?

    • jjyank says:

      I get it. I’m a politics guy, but you think people can get up in arms over baseball? Maybe introducing even more volatile topics ain’t such a good idea.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      It’s honestly not. There have been zero politics discussions on this site that didn’t turn into total shitstorms. I prefer to avoid them all together.

    • nsalem says:

      It’s probably because it’s contentious and gets way too out of hand i think most people come here to escape “the real world”. We get bombarded with it every other place we go so why is it needed here? Other entertainment modes most likely because they are allowed because they are not as inflammatory. I am thankful for this policy.

  6. jjyank says:

    Never thought a day that included my throwing my back out could be so wonderful. For those aware of my career goals…I had an excellent phone call today.



  7. Ethan says:

    Anyone doing anything fun tonight? I have school work to do and need to live vicariously through someone.

  8. Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

    I disagree that this is going to be an active offseason and I think the starting lineup next season is going to be pretty much the same as what finished this season sans Swisher. There’s no worthwhile free agents that they can afford and still maintain a $189 payroll for 2014 and they don’t have many tradable assets or major league ready minor leaguers so unless Cashman is gonna completely empty the farm, I think the 2013 version is gonna be pretty similar to what we saw in 2012.

    • vicki says:

      it’ll be relatively splash-free for every team not in the hamilton hunt, but yanks have quite a few little moves to make. and they have to fill the lf hole.

  9. Get Phelps Up says:

    NL baseball! So exciting watching pitchers hit into DPs!

    • Hall and Nokes says:

      I guess that’s one of the risks of having guys on base. I don’t quite remember what that’s like so forgive me if I’m a little hazy on the particulars.

    • jjyank says:

      You know, I had a pretty long with one of my coworkers about that, and he’s a huge Nats fan. He actually agreed with me that the DH in the NL was an inevitability. I was actually surprised how quickly he agreed. Of course, this is just one guy. I just found it interesting because when I lived in the tri-state area, all the Mets fans I knew vehemently defended NL rules.

      • Pat D says:

        DH’ing is just pinch hitting four times a game. That’s why Bobby Valentine used Lenny Harris as his DH in Game 2 of the 2000 World Series.

        Then again, looking at their roster, they had basically no decent hitters on their bench.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Funny, we do it with our $25M 3rd basemen, the way real baseball should be played!

  10. vicki says:

    i wore my rab ‘don’t fucking bunt’ tee to work out in the park today and met a cool guy who thought it was funny. o’s fan, but still.

    true story. thanks, rab!

  11. vicki says:

    cards playing that violent femmes riff at busch must make brewer fans nuts.

  12. MannyGeee says:

    Ghostbusters is on Encore right now. Introducing my son to true comedy.

    Movie Has not aged well, but goddammit is it funny still. Bill Murray is a genius.

    Also, Throw Momma Off the Train was on yesterday… Great great movie

    • jjyank says:

      Pretty sure I’m younger than you, but fuck the notion that it hasn’t aged well. I love Ghostbusters!

      • Pat D says:

        I just rewatched it a few months ago. It was probably the first time I saw it from start to finish in about 15 years, if not longer. I didn’t really find that it had aged, except for the reasons I mentioned below. Maybe the special effects, but that’s to be expected. Its plot is not something that really ages, in my opinion.

        • jjyank says:

          Agreed, Obviously you have to keep your special effects expectations limited. But I wasn’t even born when Ghostbusters came out. And I still love it.

          • Pat D says:

            I was 3 when it was first released, so obviously I didn’t see it then. When I did first see it, there were definite parts that freaked me out. Which is probably why it’s never been one of my favorites. I had the same issues with Raiders of the Lost Ark for the longest time. Movies that freaked me out as a kid have made me reluctant to go back and watch and/or enjoy them.

            I finally got over the Raiders thing several years ago. I had similar issues with the end of Last Crusade. Yet I never batted an eye on the heart removals in Temple of Doom. Go figure.

            Here’s something embarrassing: I was always freaked out by the special Rudolph’s Shiny New Year, which was a kind of sequel to Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. The villain was this huge vulture called Eon the Terrible, who had this really annoying voice and screech, and as a young child it just scared the shit out of me.

            • jjyank says:

              All of the Indiana Jones moves are the best things..well, ever.

              • Pat D says:

                Kingdom of the Crystal Skull begins so promisingly, the hiding in the refrigerator routine notwithstanding, but a little after halfway through it becomes a bit of a crapfest.

                • jjyank says:

                  I mean the original three. I won’t defend the most recent one.

                  • Pat D says:

                    My did resists all my criticism of KOTCS. I think he was just too happy to see a new Indy movie after 20 years that he was too forgiving.

                    I’ve been accused of the same about Episode 1, but I insist it is streets ahead of Episode 2.

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  I love the scenes shot in New Haven. Got to walk through some of the setup the weekend they were being filmed.

    • Pat D says:

      Having seen close to 3000 (yes, I said 3000) movies in my life, and having watched most of them in the last 10 years or so, it is interesting to see how movies age.

      There are some that are absolutely timeless, and others that belong in the era where they were made.

      Something I’ve found about ’80′s movies, and to a lesser extent some earlier ’90′s movies, the thing that dates them so horribly is the clothing and the hairstyles. This is literally the only time period of movies that has this problem.

      I’m guessing it was the drugs.

      • vicki says:

        and the synthesizers. don’t do drugs that make synth sound good.

        • Mike c says:

          analog synthesizers are some of the finest sounding instruments in the world… I’d stay away from drugs that make casio tones and keytars sound good though

        • Pat D says:

          I always enjoyed the sounds of old Moog synthesizers, but by the mid-70′s all synth sounds became pretty intolerable.

          • vicki says:

            yep. i mean electropop or whatever, not the beatles or pink floyd. i’m not a fan of prog or new wave, though.

            • Pat D says:

              For me, it’s on a case by case basis, but I certainly don’t put prog rock or new wave up very high on the list of sub-genres that I like.

              I basically stick to oldies, classic rock and hard rock. I don’t go much for punk or metal either.

              • jjyank says:

                Pat, you probably know that I am a music enthusiast by now. This is an English prog rock band that I discovered, and loved when I was in college. I’m curious on your thoughts.


                • Pat D says:

                  Not too bad. I figured that would be classified as “alternative” rather than “prog rock,” but that’s probably just me.

                  “Alternative” seems to be the term applied to every new rock band since the period of Nirvana/Pearl Jam/Soundgarden ended, though, so I think it’s probably a bullshit term.

                  • jjyank says:

                    For that song, maybe. Just happens to be one of my favorites. Look into the rest of the songs, they have some amazing variety.

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  I love PT and Steve Wilson. One of the only bands out there that truly embraces surround sound as a medium.

              • Robinson Tilapia says:

                Prog and new wave are absolute lifesavers for me. I love me some synths in any form.

  13. Mike c says:

    I don’t really like the idea of trading cano, but does anybody think that trying to make a deal with texas makes sense? kinsler + a young starter or ???? murphy? young?

    • jjyank says:

      I don’t think it makes sense at all. Then again, I don’t think there is anything that I would agree to. You want Cano for Trout straight up? DEAL. Otherwise, keep Cano, damn it.

      • Mike c says:

        yeah I’m inclined to do the same thing… but if we can get a very good 2B + OF or SP in return I think it should be considered

        • jjyank says:

          Cano is the best at his position in the world. You gotta give me a WHOLE lot more than a lesser one of his peers, a nameless SP, an aging corner player, and a mediocre OF to make that even worth thinking about.

          I would be my life savings that Cano would provide more value to the 2013 Yankees than any GM would be willing to send back in a trade. Just keep him. He’s the best 2B on the planet, don’t let 9 games fool you into thinking otherwise.

          If you don’t want to extend him because there are some red flags ( like him being bad vs. LHP in 2012 ), then fine. Trading Cano, though, is stupid, IMO.

          • jjyank says:

            I would *bet*

          • Mike c says:

            I agree, but for what price? I think cano is one of the best hitters in MLB, but paying $20-25M a year on the wrong side of 30 is also not a definitely great deal. what do you think it would take hypothetically?

            • jjyank says:

              To me, it’s the years, not the money. I hope Cashman holds Cano in comparison to his positional counter parts, not his purely offensive ones. Problem there is, of course, Boras will try to market him as the best hitter in the league, not the best second baseman. I would take Cano at 6 years, and bend to 7 if need be. 8 or more, and I reconsider.

      • I want to keep Cano the talent as well, but no way am I offering anything more than 6 years/$162M…THIS offseason. He’ll be 31 going into the first season of his FA contract.

        I don’t think he’ll do that, or any other deal in he offseason, Boras is going to take him to FA and he’ll get a 10 year deal from someone…probably the Dodgers.

        Sooo, instead of letting him walk and only getting a draft pick for him, why not get value.

        I think they have a 2 perfectly capable guys in Nunez and David Adams to step in and be good players…obviously not of Cano’s caliber, but hopefully you are trading Cano for someone who is.

        • Mike c says:

          how about granderson + cano for harper + werth? or is that absurd? I’m not a big trade guy

          • jjyank says:

            That is absurd. The Yankees are taking on a big contract in Wreth (albeit with less years at this point), with also injury problems recently. And no freaking way do the Nats let go Harper.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          If they are serious about the 189M plan for 2014-2015, 2013 might be the best chance at a WS for a few years. Unless some team makes an overwhelming offer for Cano, I’d rather take the 1 year of Cano plus a draft pick instead and make a big push to win next year.

    • Pat D says:

      Kinsler is slightly older and showed signs of decline last year. Murphy is a platoon bat, he’s pretty much useless against lefties. If you’re referring to Michael Young, well, I’d rather see him put to sleep than in a Yankee uniform.

  14. wilk says:

    just wanted to throw out a free agency idea, how about AJ Pierzynski to catch? I know he’s a word-class jerk, but he had a great year swinging the bat last year and his lefty power stroke would be ideal for YS. thoughts?

  15. don’t hate it…on a 1 year deal.

  16. ‘La Bamba’ is on Encore West…

  17. Flyer7 says:

    Texas needs to make room for its young players esp at SS so how bout Cano, Hughes, catching prospect(Murphy or Romine), pitching prospect for Andrus, Olt, Murphy, lower level prospect

  18. wilk says:

    here’s another one, how about dan haren for the rotation if LAA declines his option? i feel that he had a down year last year that he can bounce back from. thoughts? a rotation of sabathia-haren-kuroda-pettitte-hughes could be really solid. only problem is whether it’s financially possible and/or logical.

  19. vicki says:

    cardinals losing 4-0 in the 7th and the crowd is still in it. what would that be like? (yes, the team has earned their faith.)

    • Pat D says:

      St. Louis is a baseball town, through and through. They also didn’t build a new stadium directed at corporate parties and whales.

      • Rocky Road Redemption says:

        Sorry Pat, but I’m going to go ahead here and say that this is BS.

        Did you guys hear Yankee Stadium when they lost 4-0 in game 2? Probably not-you were all too busy complaining at the team to notice the crowd. Throughout the game it was ROCKING. Seriously rocking. It was obvious to hear.

        New Yankee Stadium during the playoffs was not full of suits having corporate parties. It was full of fans, and it was pretty obvious to see that.

        I had a cousin who was at the IBanez 2 HR game. She said it was NUTS there.

        Finally, let’s get this “St. Louis is a baseball town” thing out of the way. Want to know what our evidence for this is? People say it a lot and they’re good. There is nothing special about the people of St. Louis that makes them uber-fans. I’m tired of hearing about how ultra-special-super St. Louis is when we have NO good reason to believe that.

        Sorry for picking on you, Pat, this was just a good opportunity to get this off my chest.

        /End Rant

        • Pat D says:

          My comments on St. Louis are based mainly off a friend of mine from Notre Dame who was from St. Louis. He convinced me that the Cardinals were so far above the Rams and the Blues in terms of what the average St. Louis-er cared about, and I’m not sure that you can say the same about the Yankees relative to all the other New York teams.

          I don’t remember hearing the stadium all that loud during the playoff games other than Game 3 of the ALDS. I will admit that I didn’t see the ninth inning of ALCS Game 1 and watched very little of ALCS Game 2 because I was watching the Giants/49ers game.

          So I’m certainly willing to admit I’m wrong.

  20. Barry Zito? Barry FREAKING ZITO?!?

    • Pat D says:

      Anything like that can happen in baseball. Go look at Catfish Hunter in Game 6 of the ’78 Series, or way further, Howard Ehmke in Game 1 of the ’29 Series. Guy had a sore arm and threw a complete game victory, even though everyone thought Connie Mack was crazy to pitch him.

  21. Reuben Sierra's Chains says:

    I’m watching the last good moment of the season back on DVR right now. Game 1 ALCS Bottom 9th and TBS pans the crowd and screen shots Alex’s bikini model that he was flirting with. Funny what I know now that I didn’t on Saturday night.

    Also what was up with Cabrera doing the bow and arrow thing after the game last night. Using Rodney’s dumb celebration is weak.

  22. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I’ve been messing with this in my head for a while. I am not serious in the least about this, but have wondered how this would be beneficial to both teams, if at all.

    Robbie to the Marlins
    Reyes and Stanton to the Yanks

    What else would need to happen from either side to make that logical, if at all?

    If there’s any of the season to throw around bullshit like this, this is it.

    • Ethan says:

      No way that’s happening unless the yankees give up serious prospects. Stanton is really good and team controlled for several more years (i believe). Cano’s only under contract for another year.

      I would guess in order to get this done the Yanks would have to cover all of reyes’ contract as well as at least 2 premium prospects, probably 3. Maybe something like:

      Reyes, Stanton for Cano, Hughes, Mason Williams and one other?

  23. pop says:

    wfan caller… wants to trade cano and tex to the rangers for kinsler and michael young… lmfao

  24. Lew says:

    There sure is a lot of panic going on around here. I agree something has to be done, because after the last 6 days it would not be acceptable to do nothing. But if you re-roll the dice on this series it could have come out very differently, and this team did win 95 games. The pitching is pretty strong and will have Pineda and Rivera back next year (we can hope). Can’t move A-rod…somehow it feels like it is Swish who really must go, and then there are still 3 decent outfielders left if they re-sign Ichiro. I personally would go after a platoon catcher and a platoon outfielder to replace A Jones. Maybe another infielder. Keep adding depth. Try to find some clutch hitters and rotate people more. Only let A-rod play 2/3 time…seems like the best way forward to me.

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