Clemens & Bonds headline 2013 Hall of Fame ballot

What Went Wrong: Yankee Stadium
Wednesday Night Open Thread

The BBWAA announced the 2013 Hall of Fame ballot today, which is headlined by first-timers Barry Bonds, Mike Piazza, Sammy Sosa, Craig Biggio, and former Yankee Roger Clemens. David Wells and Mike Stanton are also among the first-timers while Don Mattingly is entering his 13th year of eligibility and Bernie Williams is entering his second.

We’ve now entered the PED thunderdome with guys like Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens becoming eligible, and if Mark McGwire’s six years on the ballot are any indication, they’re going to have to wait a while for induction. Hell, there’s zero evidence linking Jeff Bagwell to PEDs and he only received 56% of the vote last year. I count no fewer than eight guys I would definitely vote for plus at least six others I’m on the fence with. The ballots are going to be very crowded the next few years.

What Went Wrong: Yankee Stadium
Wednesday Night Open Thread
  • Greg

    if you go just on numbers – Bagwell, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, McGuire, Rafi, Piazza, Raines, Shilling, Sosa.

    • vin

      Thank Mo the numbers are irrelevant to many voting members.

      Character counts! Yuck.

      I was watching the Yankees Hot Stove on YES the other day (they changed the name to something else this year), and Ken Davidoff verbally bitch-slapped Bob Klapisch on the issue of PEDs in the HOF. I highly recommend watching it if it re-airs.

    • I Live In My Mom’s Basement

      Alan Trammell has a WAR of 67.1, which is higher than Raines, Sosa, Palmeiro, McGwire, Biggio, and Piazza. Middle infielders don’t get enough love.

  • Cris Pengiucci (Unreasonably optimistic Future Lefty out of the ‘Pen)

    Not sure Boomer is quite Hall worthy. Definitely not Stanton (Maybe Giancarlo, the other Mike, years from now). And I’m sure anyone known for or suspected of PED use won’t be voted in.

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

    I thought this article was pretty interesting about the voting problems.

    In my opinion, no way the self righteous writers are gonna vote in Sosa, Bond, Palmiero, Clemens or McGuire and I also think Bagwell and Piazza are going to be left out as well due to suspicions about PEDs

    I personally think they should all get in since it’s not fair to exclude only those who got “caught” when it’s obvious that steroid abuse was rampant. Then again, I also think it’s lunacy that Lance Armstrong was crucified since it’s pretty apparent that the only way to compete at the highest level in his sport was to use PEDs. Maybe I’m nuts.

  • 42isNotMortal

    I’m surprised Mike Stanton even made the ballot. Aside from being a southpaw, owning a career ERA just south of 4 and a career K/9 just above 7 isn’t usually guaranteed a spot in a stout bullpen, let alone Cooperstown.

    • vin

      From BBWAA

      3. Eligible Candidates — Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

      A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.

      B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A).

      C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.

      D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.

      E. Any player on Baseball’s ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

  • Jamey

    I really hate that there’s still so many writers unwilling to move on from the steroid era. It happened, it was a shame but I’m more disappointed as a baseball fan at pretending these Hall of Fame careers never happened than I actually am about PED use at this point. Roger Clemens & Barry Bonds were jerks, and no doubt cheaters. They were also legendary players & even if guilty are guilty of something that as time goes on we learn more & more players of the era were also doing. Don’t turn this into some NCAA whitewashing B.S where some team had players taking money from boosters & the NCAA vacates their wins, awards & championships and say “There, now it’s like it never even happened!”.

  • Preston

    Bonds and Clemens need to restart their HOF clocks until this whole “steroids” thing blows over. Sign them both to one year deals, Bonds can DH/stand in RF and Clemens be a swing-man. I’m not joking, well sort of, but not really… am I? I’m not sure.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

      I really thought that’s what his comeback in the independent league was all about last year. I’m surprised the Astros never signed him to pitch a game at the end of last season to fill a few seats and restart his clock like you mentioned.

  • The Real Eddard

    Bonds and Clemens need to be in, period. McGwire is a different case because his numbers aren’t as good. Bonds and Clemens are at the top of their positions and should be in no matter what.

    • Short Porch

      No. They tainted the game.

  • Pat D

    This is where the fun begins. I honestly can’t wait until the results are announced on January 9.

    But I definitely see the problems coming. I went to the ESPN vote page, picked 10 guys, and still wanted to vote for more. If a few of these guys don’t get in this year or real soon, the ballot is going to look ridiculous.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Well THIS should be interesting.

  • mustang

    Just say no to drugs.

  • All Praise Be To Mo

    Let the hypocrisy begin. Where players already in the hall who lived on greenies & other drugs complain these guys who did something not banned by baseball at the time and were never suspended during their careers for it ruined the game.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

      “Ruined the game”

      Translation: broke many of their records and some were kind of douchey about it in the process.

    • Luisergi


      “… guys who did something not banned by baseball…”

      That’s the key, all of them should get in… Manny on the other hand shouldn’t, and probably, won’t.

      • Cris Pengiucci

        And that should go for ARod as well?

        • Luisergi

          As i was tiping that i thought of A-Rod.

          I’m not sure in wich year A-Rod Failed the test.
          He said he used (boley was it?)in 01, 02, 03 right?
          I’m not sure it was banned in those years. Was it? or it was until 2004?

          Aniway, I think A-Rod will get in and Manny won’t because of the suspension (double suspension right?)

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        I believe technically steroids were banned by baseball already (since the early 90’s, iirc). They just weren’t tested for until recently.

  • Jersey Joe

    I’m kind of an Astros supporter (not a fan). I really hope Biggio and Bagwell get in.

  • soxhata

    I always felt Mattingly was a hall of famer but fell short due to injury.However,when Jim Rice made it,I realized the hall is now for the very good{Rice,Winfield,show me that Mattingly’s body of work should be a slam dunk .put heeeem in!1!!

    • Pat D

      If you’re implying Winfield doesn’t belong in the HOF, I’m going to have to treat you as an idiot.

      Then again, I can’t really decipher exactly what you’re saying, so that will make me treat you as an idiot.

      • Preston

        Winfield is probably one of the more underrated players in the history of the game.

        • Pat D

          He’s my favorite player all-time, so I’m biased, but I really hate when people say he was “just a compiler.”

          He would have hit 500 home runs easily if not for missing the entire 1989 season and having played all of his prime years in Jack Murphy and Yankee Stadiums, which were never great places for right-handed power hitters.

  • Greg

    Imagine how unfun it would be for a barely coherent Willie Mays introducing his godson Barry Bonds, who then breaks down in tears about how honored he feels to get in, while at the same time the few guys willing to sit on the dais throw up into paper bags and the fans in the crowd yell “cheater”. I’d almost like to let him in just to see the spectacle.

    • Preston

      Seriously, you think people would vomit if one of the top 5 baseball players ever got into the hall. I hope nobody judges you as harshly as you judge him.

  • The Moral Majority is Neither

    Keep out the cheats.

    • Captain

      you willing to go back and kick out all the players who used greenies including I’m sure some HOF Yankees?

      • Pat D

        Or Whitey Ford, quite notorious for doctoring the baseball heavily?