Nov
28

Wednesday Night Open Thread

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In honor of the 2013 Hall of Fame ballot being released today, here’s the video of Roger Clemens’ masterpiece in Game Four of the 2000 ALCS. He one-hit the Mariners in the complete-game shutout, striking out 15 against just two walks while throwing 138 pitches. The Yankees were up two games to one in the series and would eventually win it in six. With a Game Score of 98, it was the second best start of Clemens’ big league career (here’s number one).

Here is your open thread for the night. Both the Knicks and Nets are playing, but talk about anything you like here. Have at it.

[video link in case the embed doesn't work]

Categories : Open Thread
  • ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa

    Favorite Clemens moment has to be when he threw the bat at Piazza. Best part was when he tried to justify it with, “I thought it was the ball.”

    • Pat D

      I still honestly don’t think he saw Piazza coming down the line.

      • ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa

        Regardless, why would he throw the ball over there in the first place?

        • Pat D

          I never believed him when he said he thought that it was the ball. For some reason he chose that as his best defense.

      • Rocky Road Redemption

        I’m with you. I think it was an odd gut reaction thing. I see no reason he would stupidly throw a bat at Piazza.

    • CountryClub

      It was alpha male type behavior. Clemens was all pumped up. He shattered Piazza’s bat. Part of the bat finds its way towards him and he fires it back at Piazza in a “get this shit out of here” type fashion.

      • ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa

        I guess I’ll never understand. I think I’m hung up on him saying he thought it was the ball. he would have thrown the ball to first. We all would have called for his head and made Knoblauch jokes if he threw it to what is essentially nowhere.

  • vin

    Cue the obligatory ARod remarks…

  • Luisergi

    I don’t give a shit if Roger was on PED’s back then, this game, and many more he started, were wonderful to see.

    • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

      That’s honestly how I feel about the PED era in general. Yes it was tainted and a black eye on the sport on one hand, but, on the other hand, there is no denying it made for exciting baseball and probably did wonders in attracting fans.

      Before I was ever a baseball fan, I remember watching McGuire chase the home run record. It was exciting even for people who weren’t baseball fans. People dig the long ball and guys who throw 100 mph gas.

      • mustang

        You two must love the WWE.

      • Jacob

        It also really pissed off a lot of fans that the players would do that. I have a Mark McGuire autographed baseball, know how much that is worth? About 50 bucks, I spent 45 on the ticket to that game.

  • Curtis

    Martin appears to be gone, with the supposed Pirates offer. I am apathetic.

    • MannyGeee

      If they’re really outbidding the Yankees to that extent, then you got to tip your hat to them and let him go. Lord knows if Cashman overpaid for him, there would be hell (albeit, he’ll from the MSM & the Blogisphere…) to pay.

    • RetroRob

      I find it hard to believe he’d go play for the Pirates having been in LA and NY, but money talks. I don’t see the Yankees matching a four-year offer, although they will probably move off their rumored two-year offer to three years.

      The Yankees are a better team with Martin as opposed to the collection of Cervelli, Stewart and Romine. Probably at least a two win difference. That’s a lot in the AL East.

  • mrdbag

    Bj to the braves 5/75

    • MannyGeee

      Meh. Under rated player in this market, but that is a shit ton of money for him.

      • FIPster Doofus

        It’s a fair deal, IMO – less than I thought he’d get.

  • paul a

    Want to throw a couple of names out there in the sought of what do we have to lose catergory, Chone Figgins, can play third,second and short with lots of speed, and Bryan Pena an upgrade over Cerveli, Stewart and Romine

    • Jacob

      Stuart?

    • MannyGeee

      Chone Figgins is not really good at anything anymore, except for having a misleading reputation as a supersub with a decent bat. I don’t know enough about Peña to mock your suggestion for him, but I’ll research and get back to ya…

  • William

    So, does Clemens go in the hall of fame as a yankee or Red Sox?

    • mustang

      He is never getting in so it wouldnt matter.

      • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

        Really? I think he will eventually. Wouldn’t be surprise if he is the one whoe breaks the ice for the PED guys.

        And something tells me he goes in as an Astro.

        • Jacob

          Nah I doubt he will be the one who breaks it. If he had a choice I could see him choosing the Astro’s but he was not there long enough and it is pretty obvious when he was there that it was all PED

        • mustang

          I hope that ice is size of the Lambert glacier in Antarctica.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          No he won’t break the ice. There is probably more than one guy in the hall that used and when they get outed that’s when everyone else will get in.

          • https://twitter.com/MattMontero1 matt montero

            This.

    • Rocky Road Redemption

      Red Sox. No question.

    • Jacob

      I doubt they let him in but, Red Sox. Would not want him wearing a Yankee hat, even though he pitched some amazing games for us he does not deserve the yankee hat,the guy is an idiot

      • mustang

        Agree 100%

    • Pat D

      Based upon the new rules they have, he’d have to go in with a Red Sox cap.

    • Jag

      Red Sox, if he gets in.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I’d love for it to be in pinstripes, actually. The rings he’s got were won in them.

  • mustang

    Is it me or does the BJ to the Braves for 5/75 seem like a realy good deal for the Braves.

    • Preston

      It’s a good move for them. Much better than signing Bourne.

      • Jacob

        I don’t know I think I would have rather had bourn, why do you say BJ?

        • Knoxvillain

          Because he’s ten times better. Bourn is overrated. He’s a good player, but people over value him.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting

            Bourn: better AVG, better OBP, better baserunning, better defense

            Upton: better power

            • FIPster Doofus

              Bourn’s two years older, FWIW.

              • Need Pitching & Hitting

                Long term, I’d take Upton, but right now, I think Bourn’s the better player.

                • FIPster Doofus

                  I agree.

          • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

            Power also usually ages better than speed too and Upton is 2 years younger to boot.

            • Preston

              This

    • Tom

      Meh. Seems like an OK deal – don’t think it’s bad but I don’t think it’s a huge bargain either.

      Upton has always been more about potential and tools. He’s a bit over-rated defensively – a strong arm but even with his speed it doesn’t translate into great range. UZR has him slightly above average for his career (but pretty close to average for the last 3 years), DRS has him below average.

      He’s got good power (especially for a CF’r), very good speed, but he strikes out a ton (over 150K’s each of the last 4 seasons) and has hit under.250 each of the last 4 seasons (and had a sub .300 OBP last year). His power keeps him over a league average hitter, but it’s basically Granderson offensively with less power and no walks and some more SB’s.

      I do like him better than Bourne – too much of Bourne’s value is wrapped up in defense and I’m not sure defense is valued correctly with some of the metrics (especially players on the extreme high or low end at a given position)

      • Tom

        I shouldn’t have said no walks – he does walk at an approximately average rate, I probably should have said his walk rate doesn’t make up for his low batting average.

    • CountryClub

      It’s way too much money. BJ Upton is either not as talented as people think or a ridiculous underachiever.

      • Big Member

        BJ the last 4 years combined – 14 WAR
        Swisher the last 4 years combined- 15 WAR

        Is Swisher a ridiculous underachiever as well?

        • MannyGeee

          So Swisher is worth that $15M per? Honestly, BJ might very well be a “change of scenery” candidate, because just raw talent-wise, he’s miles and away better than Swisher.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      I actually expected him to get more since he plays a premium position and is younger than most FAs.

      I wonder if someone could land Swisher for around 4/$56 now. If so, he’d be a good value.

  • Big Member

    I actually would not mind seeing Martin sign a 3 year deal with Pirates and would only regret the decision of the front office not to offer him a qualifying offer.

    Look at it this way, if he hits well, Yanks can just trade Mustelier or Whitley or some other AAAA player for him. Pirates love our AAAA players.

    Also my prediction of BJ signing with Atlanta came true. I knew he would take a home town discount and an opportunity to mob with his hommie Heyward. Now, all they need to do is sign Bourn to have a very dynamic OF that is very capable of stealing.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Re-sign Sam Pearce. Trade for Andrew McCutchen.

  • hogsmog

    “3.70 ERA the second lowest in the American League.”

    PEDs or no, there’s no doubt that the steroid era was much, much kinder to hitters than pitchers.

  • https://twitter.com/MattMontero1 matt montero

    Anyone have any guess as to what Rick Porcello would cost?

  • Murderers’ Row Boat

    Carlos Zambrano for AAA?

    • https://twitter.com/MattMontero1 matt montero

      He would be one of the players I would prefer the Yankees avoiding, even on a minor league deal. He’s insane, and always seemed a bit overrated and therefore not worth the trouble.

    • RetroRob

      No. He might flip out and accidentally kill one or two of the Yankees prospects.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

        LMAO.

      • Pat D

        Might?