Nov
08

Sherman: Yankees not in on Upton, wouldn’t do two years for Hunter

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Via Joel Sherman: The Yankees are not in on the Justin Upton trade talks and they also wouldn’t do a two-year contract for Torii Hunter with the 2014 payroll plan looming. They are fixated on one-year commitments this offseason.

It’s always tough to gauge what exactly the team’s true intentions are with reports like this. Are they not in on Upton because they don’t want other teams to know they’re in on Upton, or because they legitimately don’t like him as a player? Would they do two years for Hunter but don’t want to come out and say it? Who knows. The Yankees haven’t exactly been a team that telegraphs their intentions under Cashman.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League

65 Comments»

  1. Blake says:

    On board with not offering Huntet two years….he will be 38 next year and if they are serious about this 2014 budget then they just can’t tie up like 10 million bucks on the 2014 roster for a guy that might decline seriously next year …..

    The Upton report makes Zero sense…..a report that they don’t have enough to get him or that he costs too much might….but they have to be in on at least trying to get him

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I’m sure there will be reports claiming the opposite. We go through this every year.

    • RetroRob says:

      Not being “in” on Upton might mean they know they don’t have the pieces to acquire him based on the Diamondback’s needs. It doesn’t mean they don’t have an interest. Of course they have an itnerest. That could all change, though, if the D’backs can’t find the right package but still are intent on moving him.

      Similar with Hunter. They’re not going to say they will go to two years on him since that will immedetiatly creat a two-year market for Hunter.

      • Preston says:

        They have probably inquired in on Upton in the off-season and at the deadline for the last two years. If they didn’t match up then Dbacks wanted then, why would they match up now.

  2. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I saw the “no action during GM meetings” post briefly pop up. I’m sure there’s a solid Axisa reasons why it dissappeared.

  3. kevin w. says:

    I agree. Not having enough or not liking the current price would be different, but i’m not believing for a second they won’t even try to get him. Theres no team in the league who wouldn’t be interested in a 25-year old who still may not have entered his prime.

  4. Johnny Boy says:

    Sources: Justin Verlander may be in on Upton right now.

  5. Eddard says:

    Maybe for the best as it keeps that door open for Ichiro and Raul. That tandem was our only hope in the playoffs this year. But they should only be one year deals, no 2 year deals for them or Hunter or anyone else 38+ years old. Not going after Upton is stupid. He’s an impact player who will have many prime years ahead of him but I guess maybe that’s why they don’t want him.

  6. mitch says:

    I agree with not giving hunter 2 years, but i’m getting a little sick of hearing about the 2014 payroll. A $185mil payroll doesn’t force you to operate like the tampa rays. Stop giving setup men $13mil/year and you’re pretty much there.

    • they aren’t…thanks to one Scott Boras.

    • gc says:

      By even bringing up the Yankees signing of Soriano, you just pointed out how NOT like the Tampa Rays they operate. Would Tampa also have a guy on their team already signed to a ten-year $275M contract? Or go on the kind of shopping spree in 2009 that netted them Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixeira? Fans may be getting sick of hearing about the team’s 2014 payroll plans, but not as sick as I am with hearing fans equating the Yankees trying to maintain some kind of budget (that would still have them with arguably the highest payroll in baseball) with them operating like they are the Tampa Rays or Kansas City Royals or Piistburgh Pirates.

  7. CANOlli(New York Ziti) says:

    ‘”The Yankees are not on him,” said a source about Justin Upton, in part because they’re unsure if he’s a good fit for New York’

    I hate this. Sure, they’ve gotten burned in the past with the likes of Kevin Brown and Pavano, but those guys weren’t just bad fits in NY, they were bad players with horrible contracts. Regardless, they still couldn’t put together a package that would even sniff Upton, imo.

  8. j says:

    I feel like KC could be the third team in an Upton deal. They are willing to move Moustakas for pitching and Arizona needs a 3b.

    • Francesa says:

      It will need to be a 3-way deal since Arizona & NY do not match up. They need a SS and/or 3B. Of course, if they’re willing to take on a sliver of ARod’s contract…

  9. Austin Aunelowitzky says:

    Yeah, Pretty much will need to understand that anything Cashman says publicly could have been reported by Bull$h!t Mountain Sports Network.

  10. Francesa says:

    Just say no, Tino. You’d be pissing away your Yankees legacy.

  11. Ryan says:

    I wonder if a platoon of bay and suzki could be a possibility. Prob get them both for around 10 mil one yr.

  12. Max says:

    Sounds to me like they are in heavily on Upton, and will soon be signing Hunter for 1 year with an option. Standard Cashman procedure.

    • Dave says:

      They don’t have enough to get Upton nor do they want a long term contract for either Upton or Hunter. Both follow logic. No smokescreen here.

      • Robinson Tilapia (IS Nate Silver) says:

        They can make a deal for Upton. Whether it’s deal we want them to make, or even one that’s a good idea, is another question.

        I’m going to try my best this off-season to not worry about all this until pitchers and catchers report. I’m sure I won’t be successful.

        • Preston says:

          I really have a hard time coming up with a Yankee package that would get the Dbacks to trade Upton. They think they can compete next year, which means they want big league ready blue chip prospects, or better yet big league players with team control. Unless they are infatuated with Nunez and think want him as a main cog in a trade, I don’t see it, and if that was the case, this trade would be done already.

  13. Robert says:

    Yanks are on an economy kick,Cashman will sign any retread that fits in Jan. just before spring training.
    Attendence will plummet and YES Network will suffer next year.
    Hal is content to sit back and wait out his farm system to deliver in 2014……

    • And if the farm doesn’t deliver. This is the same organization that pulled Joba after a yr and a half of starting.

    • Robinson Tilapia (IS Nate Silver) says:

      So glad you all stuck around after the ALCS.

      *flush*

    • Steve (different one) says:

      Considering how great the “retreads” were this year, this strikes me as a dumb complaint.

      • Preston says:

        Retreads are a great market inefficiency for us. Guys who have talent but are too old, or have to many question marks to be in demand for big money and guaranteed playing time. Paying millions for a role player is too rich for most teams and these players are at a point in their career where they don’t want to play for cellar dwellers. So they come to the Yankees because of the guarantee of competitiveness. This has worked for us very well over the last two seasons (Colon, Garcia, Jones, Chavez and Ibanez) and it is definitely a strategy we should continue to employ.

  14. Jerseyvern says:

    Listen I have been a fan for over 40yrs and I don’t like how the sons r runing the team, there father would never let money stop him from building his team back up, they r to cheap ass, that is going to loss a lot of long time fans, so to the to cheap ass owner spend the money and will happiness back to the fans u don’t say nothing when we spend all that Damm money

  15. Rich in NJ says:

    The Yankees haven’t exactly been a team that telegraphs their intentions under Cashman.

    Going into to last season, he said he wanted to trade offense for pitching and he did just that.

  16. Hardy says:

    If the Yankees are serious about 189m, Upton and his 8.5m AAA contract (through 2015) should be the Yankees No. 1 target this offseason.

    • Mister D says:

      Sure, but Upton at his money makes sense for every single team in the majors.

      • Hardy says:

        No, his AAV matters only for the Yankees (and maybe the Dodgers) due to luxury tax reasons. The actual salaries – the only relevant thing for the other teams – will be:

        13:$9.75M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.5M

        • Preston says:

          Is that how his AAV would be calculated? I thought you recalculated AAV for the three years he would be on the team? If true, that would be an added bonus.

  17. stu phillips says:

    There goes the attendance.

  18. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Are we giving the prospects a chance or is there a one year wonder/old guy to instead? Because I’m down for not getting Upton and using our guys.

  19. Ross says:

    Upton would be nice, so would Headley … if Cashman can work his ninja magic, it would be great to just have them. On one hand, I am glad they are downplaying the possibility so that every network doesn’t bring up this BS on every broadcast. On the other hand, history tells us the player for whom he trades will probably get hurt and be unusable for an inordinate amount of time.

  20. ClayDavis says:

    This whole threshold idea would be much easier to swallow if the Yankees were any good at developing their own players.

  21. Steve (different one) says:

    Justin Upton has 1500+ career PA’s away from chase field (hitters park) and owns a .250/.325/.406 line.

    I think his true talent level is obviously better than this, but it seems like for fans who are willing to use 100 postseason AB’s as completely representative for a player, this seems like it should matter more.

    We’ll call Granderson a “product of the short porch”, point out that Jeter can’t hitting righties, that Ibanez didn’t hit on the road, etc etc efc

    But when it comes to a shiny new toy, we’ll (myself included) overlook whatever we need to when we want a player.

    Justin Upton’s road line looks exactly like….BJ Upton’s road line. Now, there are some tough parks in the AL West (his line at Petco is better than his home line, so that’s not part of this), but that still leaves a lot of other road games.

    Who wants to trade 3-5 prospects for something less than a sure thing? He’s a good player, and I’d love him for the RIGHT price, but this attitude of “we have to get this guy” seems overstated.

    • Preston says:

      I think that using home/road splits and park factors in tandem is a mistake. There are dozens of reasons to think a young guy wouldn’t play as well on the road as at home, not just the park. Plus it’s not like YSIII is a poor hitters park. I do understand what you’re saying with people who hate our own and covet every other player, but I don’t think it applies here. Upton is the kind of talent you sell the farm for, not just for what he is (which is very good) but what he could become.

    • Tom says:

      Completely agree.

      What we are seeing here is a “John Danks” phenomena – the longer his name is floated around the league in potential trade rumors the more perceived value he has. A similar thing happened with Matt Garza and his “AL East experience” and “potential #2″ attributes (FIP, xFIP’s over 4 while pitching in TB, terrible splits outside of the pitching friendly Trop)

      Justin is a very good player that will likely require an elite package to get (in terms of prospects). While prospects are a crapshoot, I still think someone vastly overpays for Justin Upton. I’d almost rather try to make a run at BJ Upton who might be had on a 13mil AAV deal (?) and then let Granderson walk next year (and have Gardner/BJ in CF/LF in 2014 or vice versa). In 2014 you do a patchwork solution for the last OF position (or maybe Heatchcott if everything breaks perfectly) and hope in 2015 someone from the farm might be ready (Heathcott/Williams/Austin)

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