Sunday Night Open Thread


Happy Sunday everyone. There’s less than 30 hours left in 2012 as hard as that is to believe. Here is your open thread for the night. The Redskins and Cowboys are your late NFL game, and from what I understand it’s a winner goes to the playoffs, loser goes home type of thing. That’s always fun. Talk about that game or anything else here. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. DZ says:

    Giancarlo Stanton available?

    Giancarlo Stanton available.

    What’s it take?

    • Laz says:

      Too much most likely.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      The rumors I’ve seen are that they have no intention to move him, but will listen to offers. That doesn’t sound all that promising to me.

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

        Well, unless they get the offers they’re looking for, it makes no sense for them to say he’s available. Look at what happened to Arizona, everybody is just sitting around waiting to see if another team will offer their top prospect(s) before offering their own.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          I think that demand should be and is a lot greater for Stanton.

          Upton is coming off a down year, the second in the last three where he hasn’t been 10% above league average offensively. Arizona likely wants to sell his potential and career year type production of being 30-40% above league average offensively going forward into more prime years, while teams are probably a bit hesitant to buy that high on him. He’s been young, but the evidence says you’re getting a bit above average every other year and then a very good player every other year.

          Stanton has been better than 40% above average offensively both seasons since his rookie year (when he was still 18% above league average).

          Stanton is also still pre-arb, while Upton has three years at well below-market but not ridiculously great $.

          I would say that Upton is somewhat comparable to Granderson when the Yankees got him (younger, but somewhat comparable), while Stanton would be one of the biggest trade acquisitions in history. Arguably unprecedented in terms of being traded with his production for his age and contract. Of course, I have no idea how either will do going forward. That’s just my opinion at this point.

      • Laz says:

        Which isn’t exactly news though. Absolutely everyone is usually always available, but at what price. Would probably trade any yankee if the valuation was high enough.

    • Drew says:

      The entire farm and all the pink flamingos in the Bronx Zoo wouldn’t be enough for Stanton.

  2. endlessjose says:

    I would trade Cano and Granderson and see what prospects you can get from them and flip them and Mason,Campos,Tyler and NOva for Stanton just to start.

    Stanton can easily replace Cano bat and is under control for four more seasons.You have to give up the farm.GUys like that cannot be drafted by the Yankees.

    • Now Batting says:

      Why would any team trade prospects for 1 year of Cano and Granderson rather than offer those prospects for Stanton?

      • Ted Nelson says:

        I think the idea is to trade both separately for their market value (which might be pretty substantial given the Dickey trade), then aggregate those prospects with other Yankees prospects in an offer for Stanton.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        They won’t but that won’t stop me from dreaming. Well for Cano you’ll get some value.

        Granderson not at all.

        • jjyank says:

          You’d get a ton of value for Cano, and some for Granderson. Superstars like Cano have brought in hauls for half a season, let alone a full one.

          That said, I am against trading either (I can be swayed with Grandy, but it has to be a sensible package).

          • forensic says:

            Those big hauls, particularly the mid season trades, were with the prior draft pick compensation, before the new CBA. They’d probably get something nice now, but mid season would be a massively smaller return with no compensation for the receiving team now.

            • jjyank says:

              I agree with you, but I’m operating under the assumption that there is no way in hell that Cano gets traded in the middle of the season. My comment was referring to trading him now. Which, again, I am very much against.

              • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

                I agree with you about trading Cano but it does scare me that the Dodgers offer him a contract that just makes no sense for the Yankees to match and he walks for essentially nothing.

                I think the Yankees have to make him their best offer somewhere before the trade deadline and if he declines, they’re gonna have one hellacious decision to make.

                • jjyank says:

                  I’m all for the Yanks offering him a great extension and see what happens. But if he doesn’t take it, I really am against trading him because the Dodgers *might* offer him something crazy. Especially if the Yankees are in contention, which they most likely will be. They can’t trade their best player in the middle of a division race because they’re scared of Magic Johnson.

                  I get the logic, and I understand the sense it makes. But the Yankees didn’t bring back Pettitte, Kuroda, and Ichiro and sign Youkilis just so they can trade Cano in July. Getting a measly draft pick will suck if Cano leaves after 2013, but they need to take that chance, IMO.

                  • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

                    You’re almost certainly right that the Yankees would take their chances rather than trade him mid season though depending on how the season is going, I’d at least consider the option.

                    • jjyank says:

                      Sure, everything is always an option. I just don’t think a mid-season trade of Cano is a good one. Maaaaaaaybe an offseason one, but it needs to be borderline highway robbery for me to agree with it.

                  • Greg says:

                    Cano recently switched representation to Scott Boras. There is no way he’s not going the full FA route unless the Yankees drastically overpay – and I bet 8/200 isn’t drastic enough.

                    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

                      Boras also represents Jered Weaver and he resigned with the Angels before reaching free agency. You’re probably right but I think there’s a chance Cano could be extended before the end,of the season.

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  Dodgers are too obvious a scenario for me to worry about.

                  Honestly, I think the Yanks give him whatever he wants.

        • Get Phelps Up says:

          What makes you think they won’t get any value for a 40 HR outfielder?

      • trr says:

        Exactly; they wouldn’t

    • Ted Nelson says:

      He was a 2nd round pick, #76 overall. Yankees had the 30th pick in that draft.

      While I think Stanton has a ton of value, there is a limit to what I would give up. This is not basketball where one player can make your team.

      • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

        If your had any understanding of basketball history, it’s that one player can’t “make” any team from Wilt Chamberlain to Michael Jordan to Lebron James.

        • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

          Idk, Lebron brought a team to the Finals almost completely by himself.

          • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

            He’s another example of how 1 guy can’t do it all.

            He’s probably a top 10 or better all time player and in 8 years in Cleveland, he made the finals once and got swept.

        • Laz says:

          True, but it is closer. In baseball you need an absolute minimum of 14 players, compared to 5 in basketball. 1 player makes a much bigger difference in that sport.

          • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

            Absolutely true but I’d bet no player, no matter how great ever won a championship in the NBA without at least an All star caliber wingman not to mention some damn good role players.

            • Jacob says:

              2011 Mav’s had 1 All-Star, that also beat the “stacked” heat. Myth busted

              • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

                They also had Tyson Chandler, Jason Terry, Jason Kidd , Shawn Marion, Caron Butler, JJ Barrea and Peja Stojakovic who were all good to very good players.

                • Jacob says:

                  you said all stars and role players, caron was actally hurt btw.

                  • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

                    All star “caliber”is what I said.

                    Terry was a 6th man of the year, Chander defensive player of the year, Kidd a 10 time all star, Marion a 4 time All star, Stojakovic a 2 time all star, Buter a 2 time All star. granted some of them were past their prime but to imply that team was nothing but Dirk isn’t accurate.

                    • Jacob says:

                      chandlers defensive player of the year did not come until the next season and terry did ot win the 6th man in that year either, all of kidd’s all star selections were before that year as with the rest. they were all past their primes in that year, including dirk. I;m not saying the team was nothing but Dirk, i’m saying that team was all a bunch of role players some bigger than others

                    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

                      You could take Michael Jordan in his prime and put him on a team like the Wizards or Bobcats and they’re not getting close to winning a championship and I have more respect for MJ as a player than any other athlete in any sport.

                    • Jacob says:

                      Bobcats haved some raw talent, I think they would

                    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

                      I respectfully disagree.

            • Jacob says:

              Also the 03 Spurs, 04 Pistons, 98 Bulls, 95&94 Rockets, 91 Bulls, 89 Pistons, 78 Bullets, 75 Warriors. These teams all had only one all-star

              • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

                91 bulls had Horace Grant and Scottie Pippen, 98 bulls had Pippen, Rodman and Kukoc, 89 pistons had Dumars, Rodman and Mark Aguirre, 04 pistons had Wallace and Wallace, Hamilton, Prince.

                None of those were 1 man team.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          If you have even an ounce of intelligence you would have understood what I said. Since you didn’t…

          Tell me where I said that one player is going to make you a champion. Let me know where I said that.

          You are going to have a really hard time finding NBA teams with one of the best 2 or 3 players in the league that missed the playoffs. It can happen, but you have to have basically no other talent on your roster. There are MLB teams that are under .500 with really great players on them.

          • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

            You said 1 player can “make” a basketball team.

            Here’s where you give some bullshit Nelsonian definition of the word “make” to support your argument.

            • Rivera Venue Blues says:

              I don’t think it really quite implies that he meant one player can “make” a (championship) basketball team, just that one player can be more important to a team’s success in basketball compared to baseball.

              In basketball there are only 5 players on your team on the court at once and it’s possible to affect the game more than your 1/5 share by handling or shooting the ball more than your teammates.

              In baseball you’re one of 9 or 10 players that play in a game and your chances to make offensive contributions are limited by the set lineup rule. It’s not like you can send your best hitter up at bat more often than your lesser bats really and you can’t really pitch your best pitchers significantly more than your lesser arms to the effect you can in basketball.

              • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

                I definitely agree with the fact that 1 player can have a much greater impact on a basketball team than on a baseball team. Beyond that, it depends on how you define “make.” Since the statement was made in the regards to the Yankees and Stanton, I interpreted it to mean “make” them into a championship caliber team since anything less when discussing the Yankees is really irrelevant.

    • Horizonal Pinstripe says:

      Stanton was the 76th player drafted. The Yankees could certainly have drafted him.

  3. Brooklyn Ed says:

    so I was at modells earlier, and I see a Kevin Youkilis jersey. this will be his number.

  4. Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Fuck the Giants.

  5. endlessjose says:

    Now Batting:

    The Jays gave up a major Catcher for a 39 year old with only one year left.There’s stupid teams out there.The Mariners aren’t giving up two of there “big three pitchers” even for Stanton.

    Would they give up one for a full year paid Cano,maybe.But there’s value for Cano and if they can’t sign him will bring them a draft pick.

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      Considering that the Marlins are in a fire sale mode they are not going to trade Stanton for big money guys like Granderson and Cano.

    • Dguy says:

      Dickey has 3 years left now, not one. Signing the extension was necessary for them giving up d’Arnaud. And he’s prime age for a knuckleballer, with not many innings on the arm. I don’t think it’s a bad deal at all considering the Jays are going for it – they’re out of rebuilding mode.

      • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

        I agree Dickey will likey age better than your average 39 year pitcher but the Jays gave up a hell of a lot for just one year of control.

        • Milt Toast says:

          Depends on whether D’Arnaud and/or Syndergaard amount to anything…which is not at all certain, regardless of what Mets fans will have you believe. This will be the second time D’Arnaud’s been traded before the age of 25 albeit both times for an ace type pitcher. Still, considering how valuable a young cost-controlled offensively minded catcher who can more than fake the defensive part is…makes you wonder.

          • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

            That is true. From what I’ve read, D’arnauds bat isn’t that superior that it’ll play well at another position so if he’s too injury prone to play catcher, it would be a major problem for the Mets.

  6. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    Cashman should call up Loria and be like “here, I’m emailing you our entire organizational roster, pick any five names that aren’t Robinson Cano.” Yes, I like Mike Stanton that much.

    • jjyank says:

      The #24 jersey draped over the spare chair in my apartment appreciates his stipulation.

    • That Guy says:

      You’d trade any 5 players in the organization for a retired relief pitcher?

    • Laz says:

      Too many people are getting too in love with Stanton. It is only 1 player. And once he becomes a Yankee all we will here is that he strikes out too much, and doesn’t make contact, because of course he strikes out more than Granderson.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Yeah…..some of this is reaching the level of lunacy. I give up some prospects for a guy. I don’t decimate my farm system for a guy when I’m looking for my team to get younger and cheaper at several positions.

        There’s a limit to what I do for Stanton.

      • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

        I agree.

        After all, Miami had Stanton last year with some pretty good players around him and were terrible so if it takes the majority of your assets to get him, would you really be any better off ultimately.

      • Jacob says:

        Well he is just now 23, has raised almost every one of his stats (AVG/OBP/SLUG/HR/OPS) He had 20 less K’s this year than last year(all be it less games) one less RBI this year than last, oh and his wRC+ in his first three years in the majors is 140, that has also gone up every season. That is what he is done, my mind drools at what he might do and how he still has at least 4 or 5 years to hit his prime? Take who you want Loria.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          No one is saying that he’s not a great talent. People are saying that there’s a limit to what you give up for any one player.

          • Jacob says:

            I’m just saying the 5 prospect thing is not too much

            • Laz says:

              My biggest concern is fear of injury or regression. Putting too many eggs in one basket. Yankees are aging and they are going to need new outfielders every year for next 3 possibly. Also need pitching badly.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          I wouldn’t say take who you want. Not at all.

          For Stanton? I’d give up two of the Williams/Slade/Austin/Sanchez group. I’m open to what the rest looks like. I can imagine it takes at least two more pieces, and that an actual MLB pitcher like Nova/Phelps and/or someone who can step into the lineup tomorrow, such as Nunez, would be in there. If they want high upside young pitching, they can roll the dice with either one of DePaula or Hensley (isn’t there a rule that we can’t trade him?) That’s it, though. I don’t get him with that offer? So be it.

          • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

            Stanton is very good but somewhere along the line, he’s become the 2nd coming of Barry Bonds. Personally, I’d take Trout or Harper over him in a heartbeat.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              Which would the third coming of Ronnie Mustellier, or the fourth of Chris Dickerson.

            • forensic says:

              It’s a little too much, but he could be a franchise impacter for a long time. Of course those other guys would be taken over him (maybe even some other guys too), but Stanton at least has a modicum of availability attached to his name, whereas Trout and Harper don’t.

            • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

              Neither Trout or Harper are available, I too would want them over him in a heartbeat, fwiw at only a year older than Harper in Stanton’s rookie year his wRC+ was only two less than Harper.

        • Laz says:

          But it is buying only 4 years of control. Biggest thing with trading for the players is to forget about what their career might hold in store/ etc, and think about what he will provide in his years of control. Yankees can always purchase him on the FA market.

          Is especially concerning that a 22 yo needed knee surgery midseason. It wasn’t even something that could wait till the offseason.

          • JAG says:

            In fairness, the Marlins were done at midseason, so there was really no reason to risk having your 22yo superstar play with an injury that you can fix right now without having an appreciable impact on the team’s performance.

  7. Pat D says:

    And so ends the Giants’ season. And as we all know, the Yankees’ 2013 season is already over, too.

    So what am I to live for?

  8. Pistol Pete says:

    Need a third team if the Yanks are going to get prospects the Marlins want. Prospects for Grandy and or Cano and then ship them to Florida. I love Cano but Stanton is better, younger, and cheaper. If the Yanks could get enough prospects for Granderson alone and add Sanchez Nova Gardner for Stanton great. I wouldn’t be opposed to moving both Granderson and Cano for Stanton if that’s what it takes. The Yanks are going to lose both after next year unless they empty the bank and Stanton’s under control for four more years and the sky’s the limit with his potential.

  9. Pistol Pete says:

    Watching Washington and Dallas stink up the first quarter, hard to believe the Giants couldn’t get one more win and send these importers back home where they belong.

    • Pat D says:

      All the Giants had to do was win that fucking Monday night game against the Redskins.

      When you come right down to it, the Giants were imposters, too. Those defensive numbers were beyond awful. Too often the offense didn’t capitalize when they needed to. Like in that Monday night game.

      • Pistol Pete says:

        Agree, but their schedule was brutal and injuries piled up.

        • forensic says:

          I don’t know if they really had many more injuries than other teams. It was a hard schedule, but that’s what happens after you win the super bowl. And if they were really a good team, they should win some more of those anyway. Instead they looked like they didn’t even belong on the same field as those teams sometimes.

        • YanksFan says:

          The Giants schedule wasn’t that much more brutal than the Skin/Boys. They only have 2 games that are different since they each play the AFC North and NFC South.

          NYG played GB/SF
          Dallas played Chicago/Seatle
          Skins played Minny/St. Louis

          Great narrative that doesn’t fit the facts in your case. I’m a Skins fan so we know. The Skins actually lost to St. Louis. Skins also lost 2 D lineman for the season in the 2nd game of the season(Orakpo & Carriker). They lost a D back before the season to a drug suspension.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      What do they import?

  10. Jacob says:

    So last night I was thinking, in recent days we have discussed what yankees should not have had there numbers retired. This got me thinking and I came up with a fun little question: If you could only pick 5 if the retired yankees numbers that should be retired and unretire the rest, who would you pick? For me the first 2 were cake, the rest were more of a challenge.

    Gehrig-Ruth-Jeter-Joe.D-Mantle. And yours?

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      I agree with those ones assuming of course Jeter’s number gets retired. If it’s only numbers that are retired now I’d replace Jeter with Yogi or Mattingly.

    • forensic says:

      Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, and Berra.

      Those five were pretty easy for me. They’re the truly all-time/generational players. The others were great, no doubt, but not quite to the level of these five. And Jeter isn’t retired, so he doesn’t count in this.

      • Jacob says:

        Yea I was just going as if his was already retired

        • forensic says:

          Even if he was, I think I still have to stick with Yogi.

          And truthfully, I’d actually have to consider Joe D. going before Yogi. DiMaggio was definitely the better player, but given their positions and Yogi’s 5 extra years playing, it could at least be a real discussion.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I’m sorry, Captain, but Yogi stays.

      • The Doctor (formerly known as G formerly known as Matt Smith formerly known as David Tennant formerly known as...etc) says:

        I feel that I should say that Fangraphs, somewhat surprisingly, has Jeter as more valuable than Yogi all told. About 6 career fWAR higher. Not that that’s the be all end all of deciding whose number to retire, just personally sways me to keeping Jeter over Yogi.

    • Now Batting says:

      Gehrig, Ruth, Joe D, and Mantle are locks. The only debate is #5. I’ll go with Whitey Ford.

  11. Pistol Pete says:

    Have to make it seven for me 2 3 4 5 7 8 and 42. All legendary.

  12. MannyGeee says:

    sorry that the wound is still a little fresh after the Giants win/loss, but watching the Cowboys get date raped tonight by Washington is fucking awesome. romo is getting pounded, and its alright by me.

  13. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    I know that there are more than a few Giant fans on these boards, so I just wanted to spit some ideas out that I have about the team.

    First: We need secondary help. Webster, who was always more of a ballhawk than a cover guy, has lost a step and can no longer keep up with a team’s 1 or 2 receiver. On the other side, Prince shows flashes of talent but can’t stay healthy. Safeties are decent, but I think there could be an upgrade over Kenny Philips in the draft or via FA and there’s little chance of Stevie Brown having a repeat season he had this year.

    Second: I love Coughlin and hope he’s back next year, but this team needs a mentality change. They say all the right things, but something just isn’t clicking. They are the most inconsistent team of any sport I’ve ever followed over the last few seasons.

    Third: The linebacking core has needed an upgrade since the year before Pierce left. Blackburn played way above his actual talent level and Kiwi is better with his hand on the ground IMO.

    Fourth: Offensively, Eli needs to take that perverbial next step forward and play like he did this afternoon more often than like he did against Baltimore. Smart decisions, good throws. There wasn’t a single time today where I thought “why did he throw that ball there?!” when there was at least 5-8 occasions during the Baltimore game. I love Eli, I’m an fanboy of his, I am, but he has the talent to be a top 5 quarterback but spent a good chunk of this season playing like a top 15 at best. As for the running back, Wilson has to be the number 1 guy next season. He is so fast and damn talented that if he gets the fumble situation under control (it seems he has) and learns that sometimes all you’re getting is a yard, take it instead of trying to hard and running backwards, he can be one of the next great RB’s.

    • Pat D says:

      Eli needs to progress, and not do the stupid things you mentioned. They need help at DE, LB, CB and RT. Maybe TE, depending on what they decide to do with Bennett, and DT and S would be the next places I’d look. Fewell probably needs to be fired, stuff just didn’t work this year. But I think it’s also time for a trio of long-time Giants to bid farewell. I honestly don’t expect to see Osi, Diehl or Webster back with the team next year. Guys like Blackburn, Boley, Canty and Thomas might be gone too. Thomas might not even be able to play again, so there’s that.

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

        Osi and Diehl would be huge loses…Webster not so much. I really think that they need to change our drafting style too. I like Jerry Reese as GM, he proved me wrong last year when he said before the season “this is a championship caliber team” and I responded to the radio “bullshit, this team won’t make the playoffs.” However, with the needs we agree that the team needs, Line-backer and Corner specifically, I think we should target these guys as opposed to the ‘best available player’ outlook the team has had under Reese’s tenure.

        • Pat D says:

          I’m not so sure Osi and Diehl would be such huge losses. They seemed to play better with Locklear than with Diehl, and Locklear is not exactly an elite player.

          As for Osi, as much as I like the guy, I think it’s time to move on. It’s bad enough that Tuck might be losing a step, but so has Osi and if they need the cap space elsewhere, he’s got to be the first name to go.

      • Milt Toast says:

        It’s likely we’ll find out this week that Eli’s been playing with a sore arm since training camp. He didn’t have a lot of zip on the ball this season.

        • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

          You’re not the first person to mention that…I personally haven’t noticed it, but I would believe it.

      • forensic says:

        Personally, I dump Gilbride too. In general, they’ve been an ok offense but I’d love to see if someone else could teach them how to get in the endzone when they get inside the 20. I also don’t like how he seems to be too hard-headed about sticking with things that clearly aren’t working when another facet is working like a charm.

        • Pat D says:

          I agree with that, but I think it’s risky to replace both coordinators in one offseason if you’re not also changing the head coach.

        • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

          Gilbride really has some headscratching calls from time to time, and does tend to stick w/ things long beyond their effectiveness. Also, he seems to have a deep hatred for the screen pass that I don’t understand. With that said though, unless it’s somebody like a Norv Turner coming in, I think I’d rather stick with Gilbride.

          • Pat D says:

            Once the Giants prove they can successfully execute a screen pass, I’ll bemoan the fact that they don’t use it.

            • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

              I really love Wilson’s ability, I think he could be a target w/ a screen pass, in all seriousness though…the reason I don’t know if this team could successfully use a screen play because I don’t remember the last time I saw them run one.

      • forensic says:

        Just getting to watch today’s 1st half now, and learned that the Giants were the only team to not force a turnover against Vick all season, when the lost earlier in the season. That alone seems to be enough to fire Fewell as you mentioned. Vick is a turnover machine, but the Giants apparently wanted none of it.

      • Oburg Bob says:

        Please let Bennett walk. He has no hands and although his blocking is excellent, he is not a clutch receiver. Pascoe is developing into a excellent blocker. Draft a mid-round TE and start Robinson or Pascoe.

    • forensic says:

      Eli is 31 and has 9 years under his belt. I think it’s safe to say that what you see is what you get. How often is it that someone takes the next step forward at that age in the NFL?

      He’ll wow you some games and make you wonder how he’s even made it this far in others.

      • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

        As a Cowboys fan having to suffer through the Romo experience, I’d trade my left testicle for a QB as clutch as Eli.

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

        Yeah, I said in the initial comment of this thread ” They are the most inconsistent team of any sport I’ve ever followed over the last few seasons” and a lot of that stems from Eli. I guess I’ll live with it though, because as APF mentions above, if there is such a thing as clutch Eli is absolutely it. He has big moments in big situations, and never has shied away from the spotlight.

    • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

      I honestly, truly don’t care about consistency if you win a Super Bowl.

      1 in 2 years, with the same number of wins both years, is something I’ll take, as are 2 in 4.

      If that means that occasionally the Giants’ hot streaks won’t be at the end of the season, well, that’s too bad, but what they’ve accomplished these past few years has been a level of success that I’ll take 11 times out of 10 and twice on Sundays.

      As for Eli-I’m done hoping he’ll get better. I don’t want to say I’m “giving up”, because that would imply I’m disappointed. And I’m not. Eli is an awesome quarterback.

      But Eli is not one of the top tier QBs in the league-he’s a strong second tier QB. He will never truly compete for the MVP over the course of a full season. He’s going to have his games where he’s awful.

      But at the end of the year he’ll end up with strong numbers, and he’s still one of the best clutch QBs in the league. If he plays long enough, with two SB MVPs he’ll be in the HOF assuming he has the longevity numbers. I think he’s awesome. But he’s been this way for years now-there’s no point in waiting for a change that won’t come.

  14. Pat D says:

    Just realized this game has an impact on the Giants’ schedule next year. If the Redskins win, the Giants get the 2nd place schedule. If the Cowboys win, they get the 3rd place schedule. All this really means is whether they play Seattle or St. Louis, and which of the 7-9 NFC South teams they play. I think it’s New Orleans/Carolina, but I’m not sure.

  15. Milt Toast says:

    Javy Vazquez is considering coming out of retirement. Someone please distract Brian Cashman!

    • forensic says:

      It’s an odd year though. He’d probably be fine. Just gotta avoid the even years, which Cashman failed to do twice.

    • RetroRob says:

      Not sure why he retired in the first place, but also not surprised he’s thinking about returning, if that is indeed true.

      I’d totally bring him back as depth. My guess, though, is he’d want more than what the Yankees will offer.

      • MannyGeee says:

        #1 I would not think he’d CHOOSE to play in NY if he came out of retirement. He got traded here twice, and hasnt had the best track record

        #2 Holy shit on a cracker, if Cashman resigned Javy Vazquez, even as a mop-up man, you would never hear the end of it. pure insanity, mayhem. It would be a troll fire buffet orgy frenzy.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          Javy Vazquez should be banned from ever entering any of the five boroughs.

          • MannyGeee says:

            ironically, I think Javy and the Mets are a match made in heaven. They want to semi compete on the cheap, he can catch a direct flight to San Juan… Except for that “I want to win a ring” thing, I would say its a fit.

  16. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    Did you guys know that the only stadiums left with artificial turf are Toronto and Tampa? Seriously, get real grass/ground guys. Playing on concrete with fake grass on top isn’t how baseball is meant to be played.

  17. MannyGeee says:

    So there was some chatter last week or so about “This is 40″ on an open thread. Happy to say my wife and I checked it out Saturday night.

    Twenty second review time (no spoilers edition): I laughed, like belly laughed, at least a dozen times during the movie. Acting was spot on, some of the complimentary roles were the best. But to this point I still have ZERO idea as to what the movie was about. The plot was shaky and sort of all over the place. That said, great date flick, I enjoyed it. Worth seeing if you just want to go hang out and laugh with your lady without exercising too many brain cells.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I imagine a whole lot of that movie is going to ring close to home. Also, Rudd probably is one of my bigger man-crushes

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