Thursday Night Open Thread


Here is your open thread for the evening. The Knicks are playing, so talk about that game or anything else here. Enjoy.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Havok9120 says:

    What a fun day that was.

    • jjyank says:

      I don’t think any replied to the one comment I made, so I’ll say it here. Did you see the RAB post for that article on your newsfeed today? And if so, did you see the comments? When I saw it, there were only three, and there were more grave rolls there than in the actual thread. I was impressed, surprised, and a bit frightened at the same time.

  2. trr says:

    DJ is in, A-Rod is out, and still no catcher. One month ’til Spring Training

  3. Jersey Joe says:

    I am a depressed Yankee fan.

    • Havok9120 says:

      If you are depressed and a Yankee fan, I am truly sorry. I have a great deal of first- and secondhand experience with both of those states. At least you aren’t a Mets fan, so you’ve got that going for you.

      If you are depressed because you are a Yankee fan….I’m still sorry, but for much less sympathetic or charitable reasons.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      You’ll live.

    • RetroRob says:

      Winter’s Coming.

  4. dasani says:

    Cheer up, we still got a good team.

  5. Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

    Holy Shit, Ted commented 40 (FORTY) times in “The Disconnect in Team Policies” thread out of 236 comments.

    Thank god I was busy at work. Some of those battles must have been just epic.

    • Havok9120 says:

      Not really. There really wasn’t much “battling” at all, which surprised me when I skimmed through it. I think most of those were fairly reasonable back and forth between him and Big City of Dreams. I don’t think it even ended acrimoniously.

      • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

        I did see where he condemned Mike for becoming an alarmist, troll baiting no better than the mass media or something along those lines.

        • Havok9120 says:

          Yeah, he had that one monologue. But even that wasn’t TOO bad (and made several reasonable points, even if you or I don’t agree with them). And the discussion after it was perfectly civil, which I did not at ALL expect.

    • jjyank says:

      I dropped out at some point in the early afternoon, but from what I saw it wasn’t too bad. By Ted’s standards, I mean. On his sliding scale, he was fairly well behaved.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      You, um, counted?

      If you read through it, I think you’ll be proud of ol’ Theodore. I thought he made good points while not falling into the same ol, same ol.

      Done commenting for the night. I’m on vacation, for mo’s sake.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      And about 35 of them were part of perfectly reasonable baseball conversations.
      As I said in that thread, considering the number of comments I was pretty surprised that there weren’t any really notable wars.

      • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

        That’s good.

        The long drawn out battles, the insults and the incessant need to label everyone troll or non troll has really become tiresome.

    • Captain's Gift Basket says:

      Honestly, i’ve seen worse (threads) around here.
      It wasn’t thaaaat bad, IMO.

    • Pat D says:

      Yea, I made mention of that saying that I avoid posts where the Ted factor is greater than 25.

      Of course, I posted in the article saying that, so……I don’t have credibility on the subject, I suppose.

      • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

        Anyone count the number of posts discussing the counting the number of posts by Ted?

  6. Robinson Tilapia says:

    YES WE CAN read through all 232 comments in that one thread while on vacation.

    Good or bad, well-run or badly-run, $189 mil or $489 mil, I’ll still be here. Why? Because of three earliest things I can remember in my life, one was watching the New York Yankees.

    • jjyank says:

      This. That trr guy made a predictable “let’s not show up, that’ll show ‘em! The choice is ours!” type comment at one point. Which is just stupid. I’m a Yankee fan, and I will always be as die hard as the day I was 7 years old. Fuck that boycott shit.

      • Havok9120 says:

        Yeah, I saw that. I’ll probably never do that with entertainment and, if I did, this “cause” isn’t sufficient to warrant such a move. I mean…they’re not funding a private army that’s pillaging some small country on the back end of nowhere. They’re cutting the payroll. This isn’t worth a sit-in, hunger strikes, or boycotts.

      • Get Phelps Up says:

        I agree. I wasn’t even a full on baseball fan until I was 13, but I can’t imagine not watching baseball for a season just because the Yankees are “only” going to have a $189M payroll (or for any other reason).

    • RetroRob says:

      Agreed. The Yankees have been an incredibly well-run team. Only Yankee fans can get upset with a team that’s averaged 97 wins for seventeen years. Or moan about a 95-win team in 2012 that was one of the final four in baseball.

      Wait until they see what’s coming. There will be dark days again, just like there was in the early ’90s. It can only be avoided for so long. Yet that’ll lead to some good again.

    • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

      Other two?

  7. BrianH says:

    Why didnt the Yankees extend an invite to Jesus Flores? Decent defense, on the right side of 30, along with the possibility of rebounding on offense.

  8. LennonJames says:

    Knicks have already played. They shipped them to London……or I somehow developed the ability to see into the future today.

  9. jjyank says:

    Oh, and then there’s this gem from today’s big thread: http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....nt-5567369

    Lovely. Rational baseball discussion FTW. I think that’s the first time I’ve been called a troll. Hilarious, really.

  10. johnnybk says:

    Anybody else think this crazy manti fella is going to make a great jet? It’s going to be hard to replace tebow on the back cover of the post, but this guy might just have what it takes.

    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

      Maybe I’m a cynic but I’d bet that we’re about a week away from learning that he was a part of this hoax in an attempt to drum up publicity for himself gunning for the Heisman.

      • jjyank says:

        I’ll admit, I have a limited understanding of college football. But from what I know of the situation, he kinda has to be part of it, no? I mean, who has a girlfriend that they’ve never met in person? Especially at his age. I expect that shit when you’re 12 or something. But seriously? And she was (supposedly, of course) dying of leukemia, he still didn’t feel like he needed to meet her in person? Bullshit. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

        I mean, come on. Any D1 football star can get a girlfriend, and probably has a very wide range of girls to choose from. And he chooses some chick that he’s never met before? And then pretends to be oh so devastated?

        Once more, disclaimer: I read like, and article and a half on the subject. I don’t really give a shit. So maybe my facts are off somewhere, but from what I do know, it is crap, all of it.

        • Pat D says:

          On one hand, he seems naive enough to get suckered in.

          On the other hand, there’s just no way he could be that fucking stupid, so I’m certainly expecting him to be a part of it.

          • jjyank says:

            I really think he has to be. Once I realized that he has never once met her in person, I made my judgement. How do you give someone the “girlfriend” title without ever even meetin her? It’s ridiculous. And you all know, I grew up with the internet, so for you older folk, me thinking it’s insane should tell you something. I’m not some old codger who thinks meeting people on the internet is the devil. But for someone of his status to anoint a girl as his official girlfriend to the press without ever meeting her? Bullshit.

            • Tom says:

              I think he may have been fooled early on and not known about it for a little while and then by the time he found out things were too far out of control.

              “If it’s a lie, then we fight on that lie” (Slim Charles, The Wire)

              It’s amazing that Deadspin is apparently the only outlet that actually does investigative journalism these days… after being fed this story over and over, I’m surprised some news outlet didn’t try to interview his “girlfriend’s” parents or friends to at least give a new angle on the story. Forget fact checking, you’d think someone would want to do more human interest angles on this story and just blindly stumbled across the truth.

          • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

            Wouldn’t you or someone in your family go to the funeral or wake or at least look up the obituary??

            It’s just to far fetched for him not to be a major part of this hoax.

  11. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    So in other news, I, technically, am one of the three chairmen of a charitable theater company.

    There’s lots of details but basically we’re so small that we can be a real charity without registering with anything. To become tax exempt we’ll need to fill out that huge form but that can be done at any time within a year we collect our money. We just need to be really, really careful we know where all the money is going.

    This means that, soon, we can FINALLY start real fundraising. Good news.

    • Pat D says:

      Good to hear. Hope it all works out from here. I got my own good news today, so I’m glad to see that I wasn’t the only one.

      • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

        Right now I have a very odd feeling of both awful dread that I somehow messed up legally and raising any money will get us all into horrible trouble, and excitement that we can actually start raising the money.

        It’s all very nerve-wracking.

    • jjyank says:

      That’s great man. I wish you all the best. I was never in charge of finance and whatnot, but I know what it takes to put on shows. Good luck!

      • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

        Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it.

        In an odd way I need to hope we don’t make it over 25,00 dollars in fundraising (we won’t) because this means that we WILL need to register as a charity, which is what we’re trying to avoid.

        Hopefully if this show is a success we can become a non-profit corporation and expand from there.

        • Havok9120 says:

          Yeah, I’ve been involved in a venture or three where we wanted to be successful but not TOO successful. It’s a rather odd feeling.

    • Havok9120 says:

      Ah! That’s nice to hear. Congrats on that.

      No embezzling.

      • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

        Especially not with us. We are technically an unincorporated association. This saves us time and paperwork, and time is a precious commodity right now, but the flipside is that instead of the organization being sued if something goes wrong the individual members get sued-meaning me and the other two chairmen.

        So yeah, embezzlement is a REALLY bad idea.

    • Anthony says:

      Wait, I’m confused. Are you raising funds to put on the production, or are you putting on a production to raise funds for a cause? Either way pretty cool, good luck.

  12. Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

    Top 5 greatest games I myself have witnessed, beautiful day and it kicked off(sort of) a beautiful stretch of baseball by jeter

  13. Anthony says:

    ESPN reporting damage to A-rod’s cartilage is minimal. I still feel skeptical of a July return, but who knows.

  14. BigBlueAL says:

    Am I the only person who is very worried about losing Cano and what it would mean to the Yankees?? I am pretty surprised at how most Yankee fans (at least on this site) seem to actually want the Yankees to let Cano leave. I know many dont like him because of his “lazy” attitude and his poor postseason last season but I think most Yankee fans are way underestimating how good and valuable he is to this team.

    He is arguably one of the 10 best players in all of baseball if not top 5. He is w/o a doubt the best 2B in baseball and quite frankly easily the best player on this team. I understand not wanting to give him a crazy 10 yr deal but I doubt he will be getting that from any team so if he is looking at a 5-7 yr deal I will have a pretty hard time seeing him leave and being happy or relieved about it.

    • Havok9120 says:

      It all depends on the deal. I have no issue with his play. I have issue with his age, his cost, and the aging curves on second basemen.

      Thinking he’ll get 8 years is really not unreasonable, ESPECIALLY if you think he’s a top 5-10 player. And 8 years is probably too long to sign him for.

    • jjyank says:

      Regarding your second paragraph, I completely agree with you. I love Robbie, and I hope the Yankees retain him.

      I had this discussion without someone about a month ago. I know Robbie will shoot past all 2B contracts. The largest contract for a 2B so far was Chase Utley, right? And that was 7/85. In terms of highest AAV, the highest is Kinsler at 5/75. I realize Cano will shoot well past those, but for all the $200 mil talk some discuss, I’m not so sure that he gets more than twice the historical rate for his position. I know, Scott Boras is his agent, and the Dodgers are spending like drunken sailors. I won’t pretend that doesn’t worry me at all. But I do think, when you put his position in perspective, the Yankees can afford him.

      • BigBlueAL says:

        Im 32 yo so I grew up as a little kid loving Mattingly and obviously was old enough to live and die with the dynasty Yankees so naturally I LOVE Jeter, Bernie, Posada, Mo etc. But for me my favorite Yankee to actually watch play/hit in my lifetime is easily Cano. Plus the fact he is a “true” Yankee and we have watched him grow up and improve to become the player he is today should make him almost as beloved as the other homegrown Yankee legends.

        Again I understand the trepidation about giving him a huge contract but for me Im actually worried that he will leave rather than feeling like letting him go is a good thing because of his potential contract demands. It just seems to me like most Yankee fans are like just let him go/good riddance rather than realizing what a pretty big blow it would be to lose Cano.

        • jjyank says:

          For sure man. I’m 24, so I was a bit young for Mattingly. But Bernie was my first favorite player. Now it’s Robbie.

      • Vern Sneaker says:

        Sure weird being a Yankees fan and having to realize $$ now control. Cano will probably have 3-5 really good years 2013 forward and pre-Hal would be getting something like 8 yrs/$190 mil. for those 3-5 years. Would that make sense? As a fan, who cares? Not my $. I just want wins and championships. Don’t see how they can sign him and stay under even $200M. Hope the businessmen have a change of heart down the road. Or make some amazing trade. I don’t think David Adams/Angelo Gumbs are answers when u look at the loss of a talent like Cano.

        • Havok9120 says:

          They can keep him at 20/25 a year and get under. Just takes some skimping elsewhere.

          And you WOULD care in 4 or 5 years and he couldn’t make it on the field, just like we all (even those of us that like him and think he’s still a productive player) care now about ARod.

          • Vern Sneaker says:

            Only works financially if the prospects coming up turn out to be the real deal. Otherwise “skimping” = losses. Valid point about the inevitable decline but in the meantime you’ve got one of the top guys I’ve seen as a Yank in 63 years of rooting and maybe he makes the difference for a title or two. I’d hate to lose him now.

            • Havok9120 says:

              Skimping ALWAYWS = losses. Signing Cano means losing quality elsewhere on the roster, just like losing Cano means more money to spend on other areas. That’s what a budget is. We must choose where/how to get the most value for the money over the long term.

              I understand the argument that that value is best spent on Cano, even over the next 7 years or more. I just don’t agree with it, not right now. We’ve already got too many eggs in a handful of baskets.

              • Vern Sneaker says:

                A very interesting, tough call and I wouldn’t presume to think I’m definitely right. I agree there are a lot of factors and the case u make is a good one. On balance I’d sign him.

                • Havok9120 says:

                  Yeah, I’ve gone back and forth on it myself. It all depends on which camps is closer to right: the one that thinks he’s gonna get a super-Kinsler contract or the one that thinks he’s gonna get a superstar contract.

                  If it’s the latter, I can’t justify signing him no matter how much I want to keep him (and I do).

  15. Pat D says:

    OK, I have to ask this because it’s bothering me.

    Does anyone find the girl in the Wendy’s commercial hot? I’m guessing that red hair isn’t real, though.

  16. Vern Sneaker says:

    Have no idea why this popped into my head this moment but I reminded myself again that the reason we lost the 2001 WS was that in the 8th inning my sister, a Mets fan, moved the drinking glass of her boyfriend (big Yanks fan) from its lucky spot on the edge of the coffee table where he kept it the whole game. Disaster followed. Neither of us have forgiven her, but they’re still together, which shows yet again how strange love is.

  17. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    My above status is good news. But I just want to say that I’m absolutely terrified that I’ve messed up somehow and fundraising is going to be illegal. I think it’s an entirely rational fear since if we take money and I’m wrong, we (the three chairmen) all go to jail.

    • Pat D says:

      I’d post a clip from The Social Network where Andrew Garfield says “Lawyer up, asshole!” but that would be mean, and I can’t a clip of just that line either.

      • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

        You’re absolutely right. But there are two problems with that:

        1) Time. For various reasons I want to do the show by July.

        2) Far more importantly, money.

        • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

          With that said, we might luck out since one of the other chairmen (as in, one of my friends) knows a lawyer. So fingers crossed.

  18. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    I saw Zero Dark Thirty today, am I the only person who thought it wasn’t that great? I mean overall I thought it was a good movie, the story was fantastic, and the cinematography was very good too, however the acting, pacing, and screen play were all ‘meh’ at best and ‘awful’ at worst.

    • Pat D says:

      Haven’t seen it yet. Jessica Chastain sounds like the Oscar front runner. Didn’t like her performance?

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

        She and maybe 3 other actors were good, but the cast was so vast that it kind of got lost. Idk, maybe the dialogue killed some of the performances. I just think for all the hype it’s gotten it should’ve been better.

    • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain) says:

      Most people are probably afraid to bash it because it’s military related. Kind of like with Act of Valor. All I heard was how awesome that movie was and how I should see it. It was so bad that I didn’t even finish the last 20 minutes.

    • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

      Here is why I loved it: despite the fact that it was long, and I already knew the ending, and not all that much “happened” for much of the film, I was nonetheless tense and in knots the entire time. For me, entirely effective story telling and film making.

      Contrast that with Lincoln. Long. I knew the ending. Yet not a shred of dramatic tension up to and through the passing of the Amendment. DDL was other worldly – I could’ve watched him as Lincoln for 10 hours – but his incredible performance did not make it an incredible film. To me the film was meh.

  19. mikeymikeee says:

    I was at that game… One of the greatest days of my life. Here is a drunken recording of it lol .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4XuVvJcPnE

    • Darren says:

      Holy Shit.
      That is an AMAZING video! I had a smile on my face the moment it started.
      It was actually a little anticlimactic; i was expecting more “HOLY FUCKIN SHIT”s, did he just (SPOLIER ALERT)


      But still, excellent. Great camera work, especially that you went nuts when it happened.

      Also, GREAT AB from the Captain. When Jeter works a count, it’s always exciting..fouling off pitches, staring balls into the mitt with that great eye.



  20. mikeymikeee says:

    Thanks Darren

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