ESPN: MLB will look to suspend ~20 players for connections to Biogenesis

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Via ESPN: MLB will seek to suspend approximately 20 (!) players for their connections to the South Florida clinic Biogenesis. Among those players are Alex Rodriguez, Ryan Braun, and Frankie Cervelli.

That part is not new; we’ve known MLB wants to hand out suspensions the whole time. The new information is that Biogenesis chief Anthony Bosch has agreed to cooperate with the investigation and will sign an affidavit saying he provided performance-enhancing drugs to various big leaguers. Obviously, all hell is about to break loose between MLB and the union.

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  • Pasta

    Stanton reyes joey bats encarnation cano

    • Havok9120

      You really do love just making crap up and throwing it out there.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      Fucilli, Gnocchi, Fettucini, Linguine, Spaghettini

      There, how do you like it?

  • DC

    Unless MLB has something other than what’s been reported, Bud Selig has lost his mind.

    • CountryClub

      The guy that ran the clinic is going to confirm names. I cant imagine MLB needs much more than that.

      • DC

        I read that, but if that’s all they’ve got, it will be a bloodbath with the union.

        • trr

          +1

        • CountryClub

          I guess it will depend on how the CBA reads. I’m pretty sure there’s language in there that allows for suspensions without a failed test.

        • Coolerking101

          When you go up against a powerful opponent like the players union, you pick your battles. This is a battle to take on. For starters a sworn affidavit from the guy who gave the players the drugs is pretty damning evidence. As an added bonus, the players union will look terrible for defending a bunch of cheaters and MLB will look like the white knights for cleaning up the game. Even if MLB loses on the merits…. they win in the court of public opinion, thereby weakening the union.

          • trr

            I don’t think the Union cares about public opinion, only the $$$

          • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

            For starters, a sworn affidavit from a guy trying to elude federal charges in which signing the affidavit means MLB will offer him personal security services and a “good word” with the Feds is pretty worthless.

            • Rick

              +1. That’s getting torn to shreds. MLB better have a lot more than that. ESPN said they were trying to get at least two more confirmations. That’d be a start.

            • Coolerking101

              Totally disagree. Why would the Feds care if he cooperates with MLB? Giving this affidavit should not help him with the feds in the least. Regardless, even if he was doing it to save himself, hIs motive for ratting out a bunch of cheaters is irrelevant as long as he tells the truth and backs up what says with docs and other proof.

              • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

                Part of the agreement between Bosch and MLB is specifically that MLB would advocate for him if any specific charges materialize. In fact, that was the hold-up as to whether Bosch would cooperate. SPECIFICALLY that MLB would assist in that capacity.

                • Coolerking101

                  Haven’t seen that anywhere, but again, so what? Plea deals in exchange for rolling over on others happen all the time. As long as he backs up his accusations, it is game over for the players.

                  • Lyon

                    Except when plea deals are done its between the government and an individual, not between an individual and a organization. This is in my opinion a big deal.

            • Chris g

              I have a feeling it will go something like Frankie Pentangeli’s testimony in the Godfather 2. MLB said they would offer me a deal so I made up things they wanted to hear. They said Braun did this and Rodriguez did that and I said sure sure.

              • Coolerking101

                Hah. Maybe he will slit his wrists in a bathtub? Funny, but will never happen. Bosch is trying to escape a civil suit and maybe fed charges if Cuso’s post is accurate. He can’t say “just kidding” without opening himself up to crazy damages.

                • Chris G

                  Well according to the ESPN article, the agreement is because Bosch is broke. He is giving up the info because MLB sued him and he doesn’t have the money to fight even though he would win. Since MLB is going for the 100 game suspensions against Arod and Braun they stand to lose at lest 30 million between the two of them. I would be surprised if the Bosch legal defense fund gets a 20 million donation.

    • Mikhel

      With the new CBA, Selig/MLB only needs reasonable doubt to suspend a player, and if that doubt arises from the declarations of the Biogenesis owner, a signed affidavit will be very valuable for MLB as of right now.

      The Player’s union will kick and scream about the possible suspensions, but then again we are talking about the very same union which defended the players involved in the cocaine bust of the 1980s involving stars like even Willie Mays; the same union which has crucified a few players and has deidified others who have failed antidoping tests, like for example, David Ortíz (who has an awesome season which reminds me of the greatest seasons of a player in recent years like those from Barry Bonds, Juan González, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Alex Rodríguez and Ryan Braun, no reason to doubt Ortiz nor Miguelito Cabrera whatsoever).

  • Cy Pettitte

    losing Cervelli for another 50 games would not be ideal. sigh.

    • Electric Nunez ll

      Right? I mean, seriously:

      In this latest dispatch from Bizarro World, it could almost reasonably be argued that at this point in time a Frankie Cervelli suspension is more detrimental to the Yankees’ fortunes than…

      …an A-Rod suspension.

      That’s Frankie Cervelli, folks.

      While stil in Bizarro World proper, am I the only one who sees the morbid silver lining in a Robbie Cano suspension (which would likely blow to hell any playoff chances this yr) as a way to keep contract demands down and help get him to accept 5 yrs or less to stay?

      • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

        I certainly hope you’re the only one that views that as a silver lining.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Yes, you’re the only one. Sick shit, son.

        • Electric Nunez ll

          Cool, I didn’t expect praise on top of that…

  • Crusadecat

    Wow! 20 players Will it be the standard 50 more?

  • Crusadecat

    Can yankees rescind the contract at this point then?

    • DC

      Very doubtful.

    • RobA

      Of course not. For the same reason. The penalties for PED use are very clearly laid out. Contract invalidation is not one of them.

      The ONLY thing AROD can get is either 50 games or 100 games depending on if MLB considers it a forst or second offense.

      • Winter

        The suspension wouldn’t be for using PEDs. IIRC the voiding would be for receiving medical treatment from a non-team-approved doctor.

        • Havok9120

          There’s also the silly “morality clause” of the standard MLB contract. I don’t see them trying to use that tho.

      • Spaceman Spiff

        couldnt they argue that they signed him to a contract under false pretenses due to the fact his stats and performance were enhanced by drugs?

        • Coolerking101

          No. That ship sailed years ago. At this point the Yanks have sat on their hands too long to legitimately raise such a claim.

          • Spaceman Spiff

            How has that ship sailed if they did not have definitive proof, until now, that he has indeed been taking PED’s after he denied it before the contract extension they gave him?

  • anonymous

    I also heard LeBron James was associated with this clinic.

    • Jacob the OG

      everyone in miami

  • flamingo

    …This will be insane.

  • Eddard

    Good to A-Rod. Hopefully the FO bans him from the clubhouse and finds a way to worm out of that contract. He should just retire.

    Frankie being out for another 50 on top of his injury would be devastating. They would need to trade for a catcher.

    • Alkaline

      So, A-rod getting caught = good get him!

      Frankie getting caught = oh no!

      • nyyankfan_7

        Of course – we hate everyone who makes a lot of money. Those poor guys only making the league minimum are alright though; real working class type of guys like us.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Dalelama will make his return in 3…2…1…

    • WhittakerWalt

      IKR? Where is that asshole?

  • Mickey Scheister

    Total bullishit. There is no way this will stick, it amounts to here-say. No failed test, no video of them getting the PEDs just one guy willing to take a plea bargain to snitch on others. Being a Schesiter, this has Scheister written all over it.

    • The Real Greg

      Well apparently the owner is singing like a caged bird.

      • trr

        Love the reference Greg

    • Mike

      Was he charged with anything? Not sure if this is for a plea deal

    • Rick

      How do you know what evidence there is or isn’t?

    • Dan

      I’m glad to know that MLB follows the FRE. Oh wait, no they don’t.

    • http://www.unnatural-selections.com Mister D

      This is not hear-say, in which a person testifies to something another person said. Hear-say would be Derek Jeter testifying that he heard David Robertson tell Chris Stewart that Cervelli was using PEDs.

      This would be testimony from a material witness, and possibly an eye witness for some of these clients.

  • Puppet

    Couldn’t Cano be one of the 20?

  • DERP

    Going to be any surprise names? Hoping for Machado personally.

    • Cy Pettitte

      Ortiz would be nice

      • Get Phelps Up

        Him, Pedroia, Hamilton, Papelbon, Valverde, C Davis, Bautista, Buccholz…
        I could go on.

        • JU

          Someone please tell me how Juan Encarnacion has escaped any suspicion for the past two years…

          • JU

            My bad. I meant Edwin

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I could definitely explain Juan more easily.

              • WhittakerWalt

                That’s just a sad one.

      • Jenny C

        no red sox will ever be suspended.

    • DERP

      I feel terrible for saying this though.

    • Pasta

      Chris Davis

    • matt montero

      Why would you want Machado? I know he’s on a rival team but still, he’s a young, exciting player. Can you honestly say you don’t enjoy watching him play?

    • Mykey

      I like Machado. Should I not? (Obviously beyond him being an Oriole and potentially very good). Am I missing something?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Ben Francisco

  • Pasta

    Yup Tex sucks lol

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      Yea and it can’t be april…BECAUSE THE CALENDAR SAYS JUNE!

  • Dan in Athens

    MLB is going for 100 games on all of these guys, claiming the use and cover up are 2 different violations. One minor league guy got hung for this same thing for the full 100.

    Lawsuit city coming.

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    I couldn’t be happier if Arod never wears a yankee uniform again. The only thing that would make it better would be if Papi and especially Lebron James was implicated too.

    I personally gave him a pass the first time around but if this is true, he’s a just a total disgrace

    • James Carter

      Why LeBron? So absolutely no one will care because it’s not MLB? This is the only league where anyone gives a shit about PEDs because a bunch of old men consider baseball records to be our nation’s most precious property. If members of the BBWAA had a choice between preventing a school massacre & giving Roger Maris back his HR record, they’d go with Maris with no thought for the school.

      • Manny’s BanWagon

        I think people will care if it’s LBJ. Maybe not as much as if it’s in baseball but there’s enough people that hate him (like me) that I’m sure he’ll feel a nasty backlash and might get suspended though I’m not sure about the NBA drug policy.

        Look at how Lance Armstrong got crucified and every time you turn around, another NFL player is being suspended for 25-50% of the season which isn’t insignificant so I wouldn’t say the other sports leagues don’t care.

        • James Carter

          The Lance Armstrong backlash was primarily because of what he represented, a man beating cancer & being the face of a giant “charity” whose use of raised funds was also questionable. The only people that cared about the actual racing part of it were whiny french riders who also usually ended up getting popped for PEDs too. The backlash on him would’ve been just as great had he finished 4th in all those races too.

          As for the NFL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....by_the_NFL

          The best part of that is Merriman, which itself shows how silly it is in the rule made with him.

      • Jenny C

        ironically, they hated Maris when he was alive for taking the record away from Ruth.

  • Good Bye A-Rod

    Tony Bosch, founder of the now-shuttered Biogenesis of America, reached an agreement this week to cooperate with MLB’s investigation, two sources told “Outside the Lines,” giving MLB the ammunition officials believe they need to suspend the players.

    One source familiar with the case said the commissioner’s office might seek 100-game suspensions for Rodriguez, Braun and other players, the penalty for a second doping offense. The argument, the source said, is that the players’ connection to Bosch constitutes one offense, and previous statements to MLB officials denying any such connection or the use of PEDs constitute another. Bosch and his attorneys did not return several calls. MLB officials refused to comment when reached Tuesday.

    • trr

      100? Jeezus!

    • Mike

      Can someone explain the “agreement” part? What obligation does Bosch have to say anything at all to the MLB? They aren’t the FBI.

      • Coolerking101

        Bosch has no obligation to speak to MLB though he would have eventually been deposed under oath. Bosch has to be very careful not to admit criminal wrongdoing. I imagine what is really going on here I that he is being sued in civil court and is spilling the beans in exchange for MLB giving up their lawsuit.

  • trr

    Hate to see this shit no matter who gets named. If there are several big names, then yes, it’s gonna be a real shitstorm

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Yeah I’m guessing it will take more than just this guy saying this.

    • trr

      Let’s hope so. They have to show some real evidence, not just one man’s testimony

    • toad

      I’m guessing Bosch has documents and records to back up his statements, not to mention people who worked for him.

      There was a lot of money moving around and some of that, at least, can be traced.

  • jimmy james

    first time, long time…

    You have to imagine the FO will do everything in their power to wiggle themselves out from underneath A-Rod’s contract. That is, if it actually holds up. This is bad news for baseball…

    • RobA

      They have absolutely no recourse though

      The limits on PED punishment are very clearly and specifically outlined in the agreed upon CBA. No further punishments are allowed. Period.

      Its simple really.

      • jimmy james

        Maybe it’s just misinformation, but was there language in A-Rod’s contract concerning steroids? I thought I read that somewhere. That being said, I wonder how the union would have allowed him to sign that knowing there was language built in that could potentially nullify his contract, if he was convicted of steroid usage…

        • http://www.unnatural-selections.com Mister D

          As I recall, it was put in there, but ARod insisted on it being removed before signing. That’s what I call a warning sign.

          • vicki

            that’s what i call having a decent lawyer.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Steroids really killed baseball during the era of Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, etc.

    I really wish MLB would focus their efforts on fixing their godawful umpiring system instead of this BS.

    • RobA

      Its not Baseballs fault for punishing players that keep breaking the rules.

      Steroids almost “kiled” baseball because it went unchecked and baseball turned a blind eye, which is what youre suggesting they do.

      If theyre serious aout keeping the game clean then they need to ounish the ppl who break the rules. Its the players fault, not Baseballs.

      • Get Phelps Up

        I think MLB is spending too much time on PEDs, when there are more urgent issues within the game. I think it’s more important to have, for example, expanded replay.

        • trr

          …not sure if joking….

          • Havok9120

            A crap ton of people feel that way.

          • Get Phelps Up

            I’m not joking.

            • trr

              Gotta disagree with you there, Phelps. Instant Replay? Really ? Versus cheating?

              • Get Phelps Up

                Umpires blowing calls left and right with no way to fix them when we obviously have the technology is hurting the game way more than PEDs are now, IMO.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              And I agree with you 1000%.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          If we replace A-Rod with Ortiz then I’m sure everyone will laud Selig here.

  • sangreal

    One source familiar with the case said the commissioner’s office might seek 100-game suspensions for Rodriguez, Braun and other players, the penalty for a second doping offense. The argument, the source said, is that the players’ connection to Bosch constitutes one offense, and previous statements to MLB officials denying any such connection or the use of PEDs constitute another.

    Good luck with that

  • Good Bye A-Rod

    Andrew Marchand
    @AndrewMarchand
    About questions about voiding A-Rod’s contract: Still very unlikely.

  • Mike

    Only person I care about is Cano. If he’s suspended then they better damn well have more than just the connection of his spokeswoman or whatever buying some diet products.

  • Jacob the OG

    Imagine if Chris Stewart got suspended

    • Yankonymous

      I can’t believe Russell Martin isn’t on this list.

      How does he frame pitches so well without juicing, impossible.

      • Electric Nunez ll

        ok, that s**t made me laugh…

  • Bob Buttons

    Those Braun defenders can officially go suck a fat one now.

    • And in merrie olde England

      Yea, the weight of new evidence has crushed everything else!!!!

      • Bob Buttons

        No, I just mean that Braun may finally get a suspension and those Braun defenders can go weep and whine about the “injustice”.

        • vicki

          they’re called fans, and they’re not going anywhere.

    • Havok9120

      I was more ardently against Braun than most, but this changes absolutely nothing.

      • Bob Buttons

        but it shows MLB is still trying to pin one on Braun.

        • vicki

          anti-semites. obviously.

  • ClayDavis

    It’s crazy how much crap baseball gets for steroids when it’s obvious the NFL player usage is incredibly high.

    • http://ESPN.com JintMVP

      The only reason steroids are a bigger deal in baseball than any other sport is because the MLB hitting and pitching records are so highly regarded. Baseball prides itself on its long standing records and they just can’t stand the fact that guys cheating are breaking these records thus making them less prestigious. Prestige and baseball have been side by side for a century.

  • shittyshittybangbang

    Come on guys, dont blame mlb for the evils and under-handedness of others. Most of these guys have already been speculated, implicated or found guilty in the past. “While you weep for p.o.s. a-rod, his suspension, while sad, saved baseball”. These guys aint angels (of anaheim?).

  • Pasta

    Not cervelli
    He went there for some asprine

  • TOTALIMMORTAL23

    Should I attempt to move Ryan Braun in my dynasty league? Let’s take a vote.

  • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

    Jesus Montero is on the list but Michael Pineda isn’t. Trade=won.

    • Havok9120

      We’ll now see “the Yankees knew!!” posts appearing all over Lookout Landing.

  • bigweiner

    If Arod wasn’t on this list I wouldn’t give a shit. Going to blow having him out for 100 more games.

    • trr

      At this point, we don’t know for sure if he is coming back this year

  • Kibble and Vicks

    I would assume that MLB must have some pretty damning evidence besides this guys word. Where are the failed drug test, where is the ACTUAL proof of money being exchanged? I could go out and write on a piece of paper that Braun owes me 10,000 bucks for ped’s. Where is the actual proof of these guys buying/ or taking illegal drugs? This is like charging someone with murder but having no murder weapon, or DNA, but just deeming that the suspect has motive. The Union and the players are going to lawyer up like crazy. Can you imagine the lawyers arod can afford? Good luck, Selig.

    • Coolerking101

      You do realize that MLB has enough $$$ to pay all the players and make a profit, right? MLB can get the same fancy lawyers that the players get. If you recall the original paper that broke the story had tons of documents. I’m guessing Bosch has these same docs and then some. If that is the case he will be able to backup his claims.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      MLB can afford more expensive lawyers.

    • Mikhel

      Did you know Bud Selig makes almost as much as ARod per year in his base salary? Selig’s new contract is a bit more than 20 mill a year (there are reports about a 2 million salary and a private jet for his sole use).

      • vicki

        okay, but no lie? this expose-plosion isn’t good for selig’s, nor the owners’, bank accounts.

  • Laz

    As long as it is uniform across the league. I do not like the plan they had earlier of ratting out certain players, while letting some off the hook. If you find a big treasure trove of information nobody should be suspended, or everyone in the report should be suspended.

  • EndlessJose

    THe MLB want A-Rod bad because when they interviwed him back in 2009 he said he hasn’t took anything after 2003 and knew nothing else and MLB left him alone.It’s obvious he took it again and thats why besides Braun A-Rod became their number 1 target.

  • Laz

    This is very grey area, I’m not even sure how Selig plans to pull this off.

    The CBA goes into depth about the drug testing policy, and then there is this.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf

    Section 3 testing, Part C
    “In the event that either part has information that gives it reasonable cause to believe that a player has, in the previous 12-month period, engaged in the use, possession, sale, or distribution of a performance enhancing substance, the party shall provide the other party, with a description ot its information, and the player will be subject to immediate urine and/or blood specimen collection.”

    I’m sure the MLBPA will be able to work pretty hard to block this, the CBA seems to be pretty solid on the testing procedure, but does it delve into the allegations of a player buying it, but not using it(yea right, but is possible)

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    If Arod did get suspended for 100 games, it would save the Yanks about $20 million which they hopefully would reinvest in the team.

    • http://www.unnatural-selections.com Mister D

      I think they could just buy the Astros.

      • TCMiller30

        Unfortunately, even having the Astros as a farm team wouldn’t make our team any better. Haha

  • Leg-End

    “MLB officials have also investigated a possible connection between Biogenesis and Yankees second baseman Robinson Cano, as the spokeswoman for Cano’s foundation (Sonia Cruz) has had her name appear in some clinic documents.”

    Ruh-oh.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      Yeah. The spokeswoman for Robbie’s charity went to Biogenesis to get some diet pills. This came up a couple of months ago.

      • TCMiller30

        Why is Robbie’s spokeswoman a fatty? He should be surrounding himself with 10s

  • Pat D

    After reading the whole story on ESPN.com I’m even more of a mind that MLB is doing nothing but engaging in a dirty deal with a really shady character. They’re gonna drop a lawsuit and convince federal and state attorneys to let this guy alone in exchange for nailing its own players? Where are the fucking priorities of this league?

    Like GPU said earlier, the game has bigger issues than worrying about PED’s, frankly. This tells me that MLB doesn’t believe in its own testing policy to catch possible users. Also, doesn’t MLB realize that they’ll never fully eradicate PED usage from the game? There’s just no fucking way. Someone will always be one step ahead of them for a period of time at the very least.

    This is just a bunch of shit.

    And quite frankly, if you’re a Yankee fan saying “Yay, A-Rod’s getting nailed, but, uh-oh, not Frankie!”……seriously, go fuck yourself. You’re not a fan. You’re a hypocritical douche.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Sounds to me like they want to nail Alex and Braun and are going to stop at nothing.

      The vindictiveness of people in power in baseball is just hilarious sometimes. I hope the players take them to the cleaners here.

      • Pat D

        All of this.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Mama always taught me to side with labor and, no matter how many millions they’re making, they’re still labor.

          • Nutty Squirrel

            On the flip side no matter how hard they work they are still 1%.

            • Pat D

              The guys paying them are even more 1%.

              Let’s call them the .1%

              • Nutty Squirrel

                Good point. Let the filthy rich bathe in the blood of the filthy filthy rich. Let the best (worst?) of them lose to the (relatively) poor!

                • Pat D

                  That is a case of trickle-down economics I can support!

                  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

                    Something -dee-oh-oh Economics.

                    Anyone?

      • jimmy james

        The MLB need a (former) superstar’s face, after they couldn’t pin Barry Bonds with this in the Mitchell Report. Heh, at least we know they can move fast on something…

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      go fuck yourself. You’re not a fan. You’re a hypocritical douche.

      Dude, all that anger isn’t healthy. Lighten up a bit.

      • Pat D

        Nope, not on this. I’m sick of this kind of attitude.

        That’s on top of the fact that I’m so sick of the PED witch hunt.

        • Mikhel

          Aren’t you sick of the non-action by MLB on drugs and PEDs?

          Players got a free get-out-of-jail card:

          a) in the mid 1980s in the cocaine trials (BIG names, so big that Willie Mays was mentioned to have given drugs to John Milner when both played with the Mets).

          b) In the late 1980s when rumors arose that Canseco and McGwire were using steroids, Canseco and McGwire would later admit it.

          c) The mid 1990s with the Sammy Sosa-Mark McGwire homerun chase.

          d) Mid 1990s when Aaron acknowledged in his autobiography he had used amphetamines when he played.

          e) Late 1990s early 2000s when Barry Bonds broke McGwire’s record and chased Aaron (and ultimately passing him).

          f) Early 2000s when a group of players were pardoned by MLB for their PED use (Ortíz + Manny in their 2003-2004 seasons), and according to a bosox player, MLB sent doctors to teach the bosox how to use and mask steroid use (he later recanted, when he was pressed by his employers to deny it, or be fired from NESN).

          g) The Mitchell Report, conducted by a Red Sox executive, who decided not to include important Red Sox and Brewers players in the report.

          h) The BalCo incident… nobody was suspended.

          i) Barry Bonds drugs trials, he was never suspended even when it was proved he used steroids, HGH and failed at least one antidoping test.

          j) Manny’s sanction for a positive doping reduced because he decided to not play one season, MLB wanted him back so bad, Selig decided to reduce his penalty.

          k) Giambi, ARod, Ortíz, Manny and many others acknowledged they used banned substances, no one was fired because “steroids were not banned”, but the thing is: steroid use is banned by the FDA unless there is a medical prescription, and MLBs CBA since the 1980s said that any substance that the FDA deemed as banned, it was banned for use in MLB, ergo, steroids were a banned substance.

          I would say that I am sick and tired… but with the powers that be in MLB not doing absolutely nothing.

          Meanwhile the NFL gives a 1 game suspension to two of the three most recent cases of doping in their league, all three in the past week (the other player yesterday received a 4 game suspension).

          • vicki

            i think you should grow the hell up.

            as long as there have been competitive athletics there have been performance-enhancing drugs.

            yes. ancient greece. likely a long time before that.

            the “mid 1990s” (1998; maybe the most fun anybody ever had as a baseball fan) sosa/mcguire/GRIFFEY JR saved baseball. if you’re too young to remember that season i very strongly suggest you go back and read absolutely everything written about it. while it was happening, and in retrospect.

            baseball was saved. dramatically, gloriously.

            further, greenies, coke, who gives a fuck. it’s sports, not the goddam catholic church.

            • .zip file

              This. All of this.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        No I agree with that sentiment and I’m usually the one raging about it.

        What’s annoying is the defending of PEDs though. It’s against the rulebook so don’t fucking do it.

        • vicki

          you say that to clay buchholz’s hair’s face.

  • Anthony Crispino

    Hey….did ya hear the latest?! The guy at the tire shop down the block told me that Bud Selig is trying to work with Brennan Boesch in order to get Alex Rodriguez suspended. I mean, can you believe the nerve of that guy? He doesn’t even play third base!!! Why can’t he just stay in rightfield and leave the rest of us alone, or just try to get Ichiro suspended for too many ramen noodles?! I mean, COMEON!

    • Bob Buttons

      Thought it was Kyle Vanden Bosch bent on getting revenge on ARod after a drunken night after an ALCS loss resulting in ARod insulting all Detroit based teams.

      • Pat D

        It was also a conspiracy between Bosch Power Tools and the ghost of longtime, legendary Houston wrestling promoter Paul Boesch.

  • Fin

    I really dont understand MLB here. This is going to be awful for the game. Why the hell didn’t they just let it drop, most ppl had forgotten about this nonsense by now anyway. Really have to believe that they want to get Arod and Braun and the others are collateral damage.

  • Pat D

    This line from All the King’s Men pretty much sums up how I feel about MLB’s role in this whole thing:

    “You know, dirt’s a funny thing. Some of it rubs off on everybody.”

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    Look, it’s really simple. For all of you clamoring that you want to void A-Rod ‘s contract, just take an iPhone, turn the camera on and tape yourself selling PEDs to Alex. If the Commissioner’s Office tags him with 100 games, the next strike would be a permanent ban from baseball.

    That WOULD void his contract. Until you get that on tape, though, there’s no use bitching about the remaining $117M or whatever. Because its not going away.

  • vicki

    arod fan. still.

  • Bavarian Yankee

    and the steroid era continues …

  • RocketQueen

    I’m pretty sure Francisco Cervelli didn’t do anything wrong. They better have some definitive proof if they insist on including his names with the likes of A-Rod and Braun.