Ivan Nova remains with Yankees, could make spot start

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While speaking to reporters this afternoon, Joe Girardi confirmed Ivan Nova will not be sent to Triple-A Scranton today and will instead remain with the team for the time being. The right-hander will throw his regular between-starts bullpen session today, and Girardi indicated Nova could make another spot start at some point before the All-Star break. When? Who knows. Until they figure out a plan, the team will be playing with a three-man bench. Not ideal.

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  • Robinson Tilapia

    Makes no sense to me. Have him start in five days time down there and bring up a bench player. Worry about having him, or someone else, make a spot start later.

  • Tom

    Not a fan of this. Particularly with our need for PHers. Call up Randy Ruiz, and let Nova build his trade value in AAA.

  • JohnnyC

    Perhaps they’ve got a deal brewing with Hughes. The Nats are looking for pitching. They could send back Danny Espinosa.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Perhaps. It’d surprise me, though.

    • jsbrendog

      phil hughes sucks. no one will give up anything useful for phil hughes. your trade proposal does too.

      • JohnnyC

        We’ve heard from the peanut gallery I see.

        • jsbrendog

          your opinion is one thing. the facts prove phil hughes sucks. and i loved phil. but, not a sss and his numbers are horrid. he isnt returning anything close to espinosa. plus why would the nats sell low on basically a player who has been good, unlike hughes, but injured?

          • JohnnyC

            Obviously you’ve never heard of Anthony Rendon, idiot.

            • jsbrendog

              i have. and he is a 3b even though they have tried to keep hm in the lineup by giving him reps at 2b. you dont just learn a position midseason overnight. and it is much mroe likely they trade laroche than sell low on espinosa and move zimmerman to 3b cause he cant make the throw anymore for some reason.

              thanks for playing. and please refrain from personal attacks going forward, although it is hard when proven wrong so often. i get it. no worries, i forgive you.

              • jsbrendog

                *zimmerman to 1b

              • JohnnyC

                Espinosa is playing shortstop right now in rehab so there is some feeling with the Nats FO that Rendon may just stick there. He has, after all, a higher ceiling than Espinosa, who hasn’t hit a lick since 2011 except for one 3 week span in June of 2012. Still Espinosa sucks less than what the Yankees currently have at SS. And if Hughes keeps pitching to a 5+ ERA, the Yankees won’t get a draft pick for him anyway since Hughes will probably accept the QO if they extend it. Just stop with the condescension, sparky.

                • jsbrendog

                  espinosa has been consistently league average. He was right there last yr and the yr before. not to mention durable playing over 150 games both yrs. he has been injured this yr and only played in 44 games. Yes Rendon has higher upside and if that’s what you read then fine but it makes way more sense to trade laroche who is 33 and worth something than sell low on espinosa. if they offer him to the yanks for hughes i would be shocked. hughes has been weeeeeell below league average 2 of the last 3 yrs (counting this one so far)

                  plus espinosa is under team control til 2017 and not arb eligible til nxt yr. it just doesnt make sense.

                • LK

                  “And if Hughes keeps pitching to a 5+ ERA, the Yankees won’t get a draft pick for him anyway since Hughes will probably accept the QO if they extend it.”

                  The fact that this is a very legitimate possibility is why you’re not getting Espinosa for Phil Hughes. Maybe if the Yanks throw in a legit prospect as well.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  “Just stop with the condescension, sparky.”

                  I have “flapjack” trademarked, which means neither of you better go there.

                  I’m going to non-condescendingly side with the brendawg on this one, although if they want the pitching THAT badly….

                • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

                  Yeah, you’re way off-base here. Especially since you decided to call someone else an idiot. Hughes is not going to net Espinosa. Rendon getting time at second base is not going to make the Nationals “see the light” and move anyone anywhere. Espinosa working things out at SS in the minors is irrelevant as well, at least as far as the Yankees are concerned.

                  He was right : your trade proposal sucks.

      • b-rar

        Hughes could shine on an NL team that plays in a big ballpark like the Padres. Neutralizing his predilection for giving up the longball and having him pitch to comparatively weaker lineups would enhance his value.

        • jsbrendog

          no team is going to give up anything worthwhile for a pending free agent with poor all around stats. anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly over rating phil hughes. he has had one good year and it was his BP year.

          a gm isn’t going to go MAN I HAVE TO HAVE PHIL HUGHES HE IS THE MISSING PIECE! no gm gives up something worthwhile for a guy who could possibly maybe if things break right do a little less shitty in a bigger ballpark…

          he goes to SD then he has to pitch in ARi and COL which are launching pads neutralizing any value added by petco, which they moved the fences in there this year too, fyi

        • jsbrendog

          also while the lineups may be a bit less competitive colorado is 4th, zona 13, sd 15 and sf 16th in runs scored in mlb. granted all al east teams are in the top 10 but the discrepancy is not as large as you perceive it to be.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Hughes could shine if you spit on him.

          Goddamn, and I LIKE Hughes. Imagine the shit I’d be spitting out if I was forensic.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          Since Hughes started…starting in 2010 he posted the 26th worst xFIP which is park adjusted. 26th worst out of 140 qualified starters.

          I don’t think we can get an autographed ball of Mike Trout for Hughes.

          • Preston

            In a league where there are 150 pitchers currently in a starting rotation (and many more needed throughout the course of the season) being the 124th best starting pitcher at least means you belong in a rotation.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Ever since that Dodgers megatrade I would have thought that the “trade proposal sucks’ meme would’ve died.

        However your ultimate point is valid, it is unlikely we can get more than a bag of baseballs for Hughes.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    If the plan is for him to just make one start in this 20-game stretch, why not send him down for 10-days, recall him to make the start, then send him back down?
    Keeping him around for no other reason is really uselss, and counter productive from a service time standpoint.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Seems to me like a vote of little-confidence in the five guys in the rotation currently (probably Phil, specifically) PLUS not feeling confident enough in Nova to put him in the rotation. Too much hedging of bets, which leaves you playing with a 24-man roster for the next four days.

      Just send him down.

      • Preston

        I would be upset about this decision. But I honestly don’t know who they’d call up for the bench that would actually play. So it doesn’t really matter that much. I think Joe wants Nova with the team so they can evaluate him on a daily basis before making a switch of any kind.

        • jsbrendog

          honestly, is there even anyone left down there they can possibly call up that isnt hurt or already been ineffective? i mean, it is INSANE to think that by the end of the year the frickin entire aaa roster might play in the majors and theyre still as of right now tied for a playoff position.

          this is gonna be fricking exciting and screw all of you who whine and moan waaaaaaaaaaaaah hal this cashman that. Baseball is exciting. The al east is exciting. thiss august/sept will be freaking exciting.

          oh come back baby, i didnt mean screw you. baby. babe. babe. baby. babe. babe.

        • The Doctor

          Mustelier would make a hell of a lot of sense, but he has a knack for ill-timed injuries.

          • Crime Dog

            He’s really had some shit luck. I hope the team puts him on the 40 man at some point when he’s healthy.

            • jsbrendog

              if he is ever healthy hopefully it is before everyone else is too so he can get a shot. i dont think he is as good as everyone else here who thinks he will be the savior but i think he could def be useful and at least for a time better than some other options.

  • Crime Dog

    I would imagine the team wants to keep the 40 Man spot open for the inevitable waiver claim/ trade they’ll make in the next few weeks. The only real move that could have been made without making a 40 man move would be Betances and Nova switching spots.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      AAA’s full of DFA fodder, though. Does it really matter all that much if you try to pass Dan Johnson through waivers in a couple of weeks, or less even?

      Good point, though.

      • Crime Dog

        I mean yeah it doesn’t really matter to be honest. Dan Johnson isn’t getting claimed on waivers. But I guess the fear is, if you bring up, say Dan Johnson, and he doesn’t play for two weeks. Then he gets DFA’d, and elects Free Agency (I’m a little iffy on the rules here, but I feel like he’s the type of veteran who gets that option).

        Then your 1B Org depth is Josh Bell and Randy Ruiz… I’m not saying I agree with the move, but its basically mixing up the 25th man on the roster.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          That might be enough 1B in AAA if we lose Johnson.

          Also, MICHAEL KAY JUST READ MY TWEET ON THE AIR.

          • jsbrendog

            that’s rad.

            also, there has to be other retread aaaa fodder 1b types to sign instead of johnson if they dfa him…

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I never had one of these guys read one of my tweets. I used to try to get on the rolling chyron on “The Ed Show,” but there must be some conspiracy there to keep the litle man down.

              Wow, that’s some trollbait I just threw up there.

              And, yes, I assume there’s comparable types to Johnson and Ruiz sitting out there. Hell, isn’t Sammy Pearce available? Use Johnson up and spit him back out when you’re done which, with this team’s luck, may be 2018.

          • Crime Dog

            Thats awesome. One time, Frank Catalanatto tweeted at me and a buddy after my friend tweeted me a picture of Catalanatto. Best part is, he didn’t originally tag Frank in the tweet, so Catalanatto found the tweet by searching his own name.

            • jsbrendog

              man. is that awesome or sad? i mean him finding it. obvs it is cool that he tweeted at you

              • Crime Dog

                It was both awesome and sort of sad that he was searching his own name. One time J-Rol tweeted at my friend (same thing, he searched his own name) saying that my friend needed to learn the game. The original tweet was about J-Rol doggin it on a pop-up.

                • jsbrendog

                  hahahaha. now that IS sad. a part of me also wonders if there is some way they set up alerts like in google for when they are mentioned…i dont tweet or use twitter really so i have no idea if that is even possible. also, it is possible they employ someone to search for their name or some such nonsense.

                  richie riches rich ppl, amirite?

              • Robinson Tilapia

                I’m not going to be impressed until someone throws down an Amanda Bynes reference.

    • mitch

      Why not bring up Mesa or Flores? Who cares if they suck. It’s better than carrying a pitcher who’s not needed. At least one of those guys can play the field in an emergency.

      • Crime Dog

        I sort of assumed they would bring up Mesa just as a warm body/possible pinch runner. I’m imagining the team sees demoting Nova and hurting his confidence/self-esteem/whatever the hell you wanna call it as a bad side effect of them sending him down and that negative outweighs a warm 25th man.

        • mitch

          Perhaps, although i can’t imagine him brimming with confidence as he sits in the bullpen waiting for a spot start that currently doesn’t exist.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

          I think Mesa is hurt.
          No sense in calling up Flores to rot on the bench. Let him develop.
          I was thinking they might call up one of the fungible pieces, either another lefty for the pen or maybe someone like Dan Johnson.
          The available options certainly aren’t all that enticing.

  • Ricky

    Gotta be a deal brewing for Nova or Hughes out there. Can’t imagine who/what the Yanks could get in return but no other reason to keep Nova around right now.

    • jsbrendog

      yes there is. it is called do not sell low. youll get nothing worthwhile back for either of them and their value to the yankees is greater than to anyone else.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        This.

  • BSwink23

    I think that most would agree that Nova needs to work on some things, especially repeating his mechanics, which seems to be the consensus to the majority of his struggles. What he needs in order to work on that stuff are innings and some consistency. How do you work on being consistent without a consistent schedule? How are they going to be able to keep him stretched out and still be able to use him if they need him in a pinch? You can’t throw 80 pitch bullpen sessions every third day and be ready to pitch in a moments notice. And you can’t work on facing hitters without facing hitters. There is only one way that this move makes sense to me, and that is if they have a trade in the works for one of their starters. I can’t see getting much for Hughes, so wouldn’t it have to be Phelps? I doubt that is the case, so this one really puzzles me.

    • jsbrendog

      yeah, i agree with you on this all except, someone brought up earlier, who the hell do you even bring up? that could also have something to do with it….maybe waiting for someone in aaa who is injured to get better? seriously, who could they even call up other than johnson? haha

      • BSwink23

        I’m not so sure that bringing someone up is as important as sending him down. He needs the work and he needs the consistency more than the Yankees need another starter on the bench who isn’t starting. So, to answer your question, bring up whoever you like, it doesn’t really matter. They’ll play just as much as Nova, which is probably none, but at least Nova will get his work in. I agree, there isn’t anyone down there, I just think you do more damage to Nova by keeping him up.

        • jsbrendog

          fair enough. like i said, i don’t necessarily disagree

  • trr

    A 3-man bench is really not enough, especially for a team struggling to score runs. I don’t get this…If I’m missing something here, please clue me in

    • Crime Dog

      It really isn’t enough, but I doubt we’d see Dan Johnson or Brent Lillibridge get much time on the field. They would really be used in an emergency situation.

    • jsbrendog

      cliff lee for phil hughes. duh. where have you been?

      • trr

        ok, but only if they throw in Domonic Brown

        • jsbrendog

          fine but then we gotta throw in jayson nix.

          • trr

            done and done!

  • Dan

    This is stupid unless a deal trading away a starting pitcher is imminent. Who knows when his next spot start will be. In the meantime, we only have 3 bench players on a team that desperately needs the option of using PHs late in the game. This isn’t a situation where there’s an all star at every position, but where if you have a chance at a run you should do everything possible to get it, even if it means pinch hitting for a starter (Adams or Nix) in the 7th inning.

  • KeithK

    “Not ideal.”

    Two words that describe this entire season to date.

  • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

    Can’t wait to see CC pinch hit this week.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You win this thread.

      • trr

        Damn!

  • Eddard

    I’m a huge fan of this and I actually think they should have scratched Hughes from his Thursday start and inserted Nova into the rotation. They’re keeping him up because they don’t believe in Hughes. Starting Hughes against Texas is just asking for an onslaught.

  • FEED.ME.MORE!

    This doesn’t make much sense.

    If there is a trade, it better be Hughes, even if he gets you very little and it’s part of a salary dump (where we get some expensive vet in return).

    Makes no sense to trade Phelps, Nova, or Pineda. We need MORE cost controlled young pitching, not less.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      For the record, I don’t think this is happening. This feels more like “TRADE HUGHEZ WE ARE MAD AT HIM” than anything else.

      Unless someone’s pretty damn desperate (and, hey, it may be), Hughes is still worth more to the Yanks than someone else right now.

      The others? You’d have to REALLY like BGDP for me to listen, I think, and I assume the rest have less trade value than Hughes.

      • jsbrendog

        i am seriously so mad at phil hughes. i wanted so badly for him to be good. i deluded myself into thinking he wasnt shitty. it is time

        WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

  • Eddard

    The only one it makes sense to trade is Hughes. We need BGDP. He’s been better than Hughes. If they’re confident Pineda can return then Nova is tradable. Otherwise, we need Nova to take Hughes’s place.

    • Frank Rizzo

      yeah it is always smart to trade pitching depth when you have 2 38+yr old starters and a big fat dude coming off an injury who is struggling to get his velo back and another dude coming off a serious injury who will give you god knows what. totally cool.

      who needs nova. pineda is god.

      • Eddard

        Hughes isn’t depth though. He’s pitching to a 5.09 ERA which is awful. Nova can do better, Pineda can do better. Nuno can do better. Warren can do better. There’s the depth, not Hughes.

        • jsbrendog

          to chime in here, you said nova was tradeable

          If they’re confident Pineda can return then Nova is tradable

          which was right after saying trade hughes. which means it sound slike you want to trade both. neither of which makes any sense or will bring you back anything useful. for fuck sake.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Yeah, but he made you look.

          • OhioYanks

            Take a deep breath. I have a feeling that you have no idea what trade offers are or aren’t out there for these guys. If this is the case you should stop being a dick and telling everyone else how dumb they are. Making proclamations that things you have no control over will or will not happen is about as dumb as it gets.

  • DLSIII

    I can see them trading Joba and putting Hughes in the pen.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Yes Hughes to the pen is an excellent idea. He can’t keep on starting and posting AJ Burnett numbers.

      • jsbrendog

        aj burnett actually had better numbers. i went through this with someone the other day. it’s true.

  • OhioYanks

    I love how so many fans on here assume that the Yankees are stupidly keeping Nova up for all sort of conspiracy reasons as well as how jsbrendog seems to know exactly how much every GM in MLB is willing to trade for Hughes. This is a classic thread.

    • jsbrendog

      the yankees wont trade phil hughes because he his value is nothing worthwhile.

      • OhioYanks

        Again, dude, that’s your opinion. You can’t speak for 29 GMs around baseball. I think it’s a perfectly reasonable opinion to have, I just wish that you’d stop cramming it down everyone’s throat as a fact. People can disagree with your opinion. That’s ok.