Pineda goes four innings in latest AAA start

Glory Days: Jeter and Soriano lead Yankees to walk-off win on Matsui's day
Fan Confidence Poll: July 29th, 2013

OF Tyler Austin‘s re-evaluation has been pushed back, reports Josh Norris. He’s been out a little more than two weeks with a bone bruise in his right wrist.

Triple-A Scranton (9-2 win over Louisville)

  • LF Adonis Garcia: 2-5, 1 R, 1 2B, 2 RBI
  • 3B Ronnie Mustelier: 0-4, 1 R, 1 BB
  • DH Randy Ruiz: 1-5, 1 R, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 2 K — that’s 14 homers in 40 games, or 57 homers across 162 games
  • C J.R. Murphy: 2-5, 2 R, 1 2B, 1 K — eleven hits in his last 39 at-bats (.282), but seven doubles
  • RF Thomas Neal: 3-5, 1 R, 1 2B — 5-for-9 since being sent down
  • RHP Michael Pineda: 4 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 6/0 GB/FB — 38 of 55 pitches were strikes (69%) … more “innings management,” I assume
  • RHP Dellin Betances: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 0/1 GB/FB — ten of 13 pitches were strikes

Double-A Trenton Game One (1-0 win over Binghamton in eight innings) makeup of yesterday’s rain out … game was completed early due to rain

  • LF Ramon Flores: 1-3, 1 3B, 1 K
  • CF Slade Heathcott: 0-3, 1 K
  • RHP David Herndon: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 1/1 GB/FB — 23 of 35 pitches were strikes (66%) … 20/5 K/BB in 19.1 rehab innings
  • RHP Tommy Kahnle: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K — half of his 18 pitches were strikes

Double-A Trenton Game Two (6-1 loss to Binghamton)

  • LF Ramon Flores: 0-3, 1 K
  • CF Slade Heathcott: 1-3, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 2 K — second homer in the last seven games
  • RHP Zach Nuding: 4.1 IP, 6 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 4 BB, 1 K, 4/5 GB/FB – 51 of 81 pitches were strikes (63%) … 7/10 K/BB in his last 16.1 innings
  • LHP Cesar Cabral: 0.2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 0/2 GB/FB — only eleven of 24 pitches were strikes (46%)

High-A Tampa (8-2 loss to Charlotte)

  • CF Mason Williams & 3B Peter O’Brien: both 0-4 — Williams walked and whiffed … O’Brien struck out twice and committed a fielding error
  • DH Curtis Granderson: 0-4, 2 K — had a little more on him earlier
  • C Gary Sanchez: 2-4, 1 R, 1 PB — 11th passed ball in 73 games behind the plate after 18 passed balls in 91 games at catcher this year
  • 2B Rob Refsnyder: 1-4, 1 RBI, 1 K
  • RHP Scottie Allen: 5.1 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 0 ER, 4 BB, 4 K, 2/5 GB/FB
  • RHP Charley Short: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 2/1 GB/FB – 69/10 K/BB in 47.1 innings

Low-A Charleston (8-3 loss to Greensboro)

  • SS Cito Culver: 0-5, 4 K
  • DH Greg Bird: 1-3, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 K — he and Dan Johnson are tied for the system lead with 71 walks, but Bird was fewer plate appearances (421 vs. 436)
  • 2B Angelo Gumbs: 1-4, 1 K, 1 E (fielding)
  • CF Jake Cave: 0-2, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 K
  • LHP Dan Camarena: 6 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 6/7 GB/FB — 52 of 73 pitches were strikes (71%) … very weird season him, he’s either been excellent or pretty terrible

Short Season Staten Island Game One (11-8 loss to Aberdeen) completion of the June 25th game, which was suspended after four and a half innings because the power went out at the stadium

  • SS-2B Derek Toadvine: 1-4, 1 R, 1 2B, 2 BB, 1 K, 1 E (fielding)
  • CF Michael O’Neill: 0-1 — played the original game but not this one
  • LF-CF Brandon Thomas: 1-3, 1 R, 2 BB, 1 SB
  • DH Yeicok Calderon: 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K – Yeicokshot!
  • 1B Bubba Jones: 2-5, 2 RBI, 2 K
  • RHP Rookie Davis: 2.2 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 0 BB9., 3 K, 1 HB, 7/0 GB/FB — started the original game
  • RHP Nick Rumbelow: 1 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 1 WP, 0/1 GB/FB

Short Season Staten Island Game Two was rained out. They’ll play two tomorrow.

The two Rookie GCL Yanks teams had their regular Sunday off-day.

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Glory Days: Jeter and Soriano lead Yankees to walk-off win on Matsui's day
Fan Confidence Poll: July 29th, 2013
  • Kevin G.

    What’s the deal with Cabral? Isn’t he suppose to be on the big league roster to avoid being sent back?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Long since settled. He cleared waivers months ago.

      • Kevin G.

        It’s been a long time. I kind of forgot about him and then I saw his name in the DotF and was like “Wait a second”

    • Caballo Sin Nombre

      No, he is a two-time Rule 5 draftee. He doesn’t have to be sent back; instead they can declare free agency. I assume he thought he would do better by staying with the Yankees.

  • forensic

    Guess we’re seeing the new (and so far minor league) version of the ‘Joba Rules’, so to speak.

    I know he’s coming off major surgery, but if they ‘manage’ him so much that his innings are really low by the end of the year, it’s going to take them another couple years to build him up to full-time starter innings status. By that time, he’ll be much closer to free agency too.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      In fairness to them, all we’ve got are these lines on every one of his starts. We’re all taking shots in the dark here.

      Everything I’ve read led me to believe he was having trouble with arm strength in the mid-innings. Maybe they’re looking to stretch him slower. Who knows.

      What was his innings total his healthy year with Seattle?

      At least he’s not about to catch a 50-game suspension like the guy he got traded for.

      • forensic

        2008 and 2010 he was just under 140 IP in the minors with them. 2011 he was bumped up to 171 IP in the majors, so it was a ‘typical’ progression.

        Right now, he’s just under 40 IP for the season. I know his limits won’t totally reset down to whatever he reaches this year, but with his age and injury now I think they’ll take it slow with his progression, so the lower he ends up, the longer it’ll take.

        I also don’t really have a ton of faith in them putting together a solid plan for getting him built back up well in a useful amount of time either, but that’s more of a personal thing based on my perception of their development abilities.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Well, Gil’s the guru now and not Nardi, so we’ll see if that makes a difference.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          I’m thinking he’s got an innings limit of 100 or so, and they want to make sure as many of those innings as possible come in the Majors.

        • RetroRob

          As RT said, Gil Patterson is now the man overseeing these things, and he just joined the team last year from the A’s, and has a very reputation throughout the game.

          Overall, Pineda is not going to suddenly become a 200 innings pitcher. As a comparison, check out Anibal Sanchez 2008-2009, who had a similar injury and surgery. If the Yankees get 140 innings out of Pineda in 2014 I think they should be happy. He might make it all the way back, but it’s going to take some time.

          • qwerty

            Anibal Sanchez turned in 26 starts between the majors and minors in 2009, and he did not miss the entire 2008 season. Pineda’s rehab is one of the longest if not the longest ever for this particular injury, outside of those who never made it back to the game.

    • Mac

      And if they don’t manage his workload he may never pitch effectively in MLB again.

      I have no idea what the right answer is, but I have no problem with some caution.

      Innings limits are also largely about connective tissue that’s not fully developed. Pineda will be 25 next season, so that’s not a big issue anymore. If he has an innings limit next season it probably has to do with his shoulder still recovering. (You see successful veteran RP-SP conversions go out and throw 200 IP their first seasons starting, for example.)

  • scooter10

    Pull off a trade for Michael Young and Carlos Ruiz. Promote Randy Ruiz to play 1B against left-handers. This would be a solid lineup.

    Against RHP
    CF Gardner
    SS Jeter
    2B Cano
    DH Soriano
    LF Granderson
    1B Overbay
    RF Suzuki
    3B Young
    C Ruiz,C

    Bench – Stewart, Ruiz,R, Nix, Wells

    Against LHP
    CF Gardner
    SS Jeter
    2B Cano
    DH Soriano
    LF Granderson
    RF Wells
    3B Young
    1B Ruiz,R
    C Ruiz,C

    Bench – Stewart, Overbay, Nix, Suzuki

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I could care less about R. Ruiz, and think we could tolerate our current catchers if the rest of the lineup stays strong and healthy, but give me Young NOW.

    • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

      I’d like Michael Young, but Ruiz has been awful. I’d rather have Stewart.

      • trr

        Don’t want either one

        • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

          Are you talking about either of the catchers or Michael Young?

    • Pro

      Ichiro is hitting .330 vs. lefties.

  • Naved

    Dellin is dealing right now! Too bad the bullpen is not the problem.

    1.65 ERA with an insane K rate since switching over.

  • CashmanNinja

    We need Michael Young, but I feel the price tag will be fairly high since other teams are in on him. It’s not like Soriano where nobody else was really interested. It’ll take a somewhat decent package to get him (nothing insane in terms of top prospects, but I feel they’ll want something more valuable than a Corey Black).

    And I think Joba will get traded somewhere and be replaced by Betances.

    • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

      At this point I would just completely release Joba and replace him with Betances if nobody takes him. I think Brett Marshall and Corban Joseph should be enough to get Young. I’m not sure if you can trade minor leaguers on the DL but I would assume he could be a PTBNL.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Sounds more like Soriano wasn’t really interested in anyone else.

  • Different Josh

    Double A faced Syndergaard. Heathcott hit the homer off him. Nice to see.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Rookie Davis started a game in June and got brought back to finish it a month later! They can’t mess around with him like that. He’s going to get hurt!

    Party on, Garth.

  • Shittyshittybangbang

    Another young, and promising outfielder in Adonis Garcia. One of these outfield prospects has to stick. Randy Ruiz must be scratching his head over not getting an opportunity to platoon at the m.l.b. level. Is he a better option than Adams? Maybe.

    • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

      Not too young. Garcia is almost 28.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      These way older guys know exactly what they signed up for.

      As said below, Adonis is no spring chicken either, but i do think it’ll be worth seeing what he’s got at some point.

    • Roba Has No Innings Limit (and needs Tommy John)

      Garcia had a couple of well-struck balls. He looks like he knows how to handle the bat pretty well.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I winced.

    • Mac

      Ruiz is a couple of months from his 36th birthday with 238 MLB PAs and started the season in the Mexican League. Doubt he’s very surprised.

  • http://deleted Richard Leo

    Taylor Dugas always walks more than strike outs

  • Anderson Silva

    Is it too absurd to consider JR Murphy as an option for this year? Honest question here, he seems like a better option than our major league catchers

    • Duh Injuries

      He’ll probably get called up in September as the Yanks’ll need a third catcher so they can pinch-hit for Stewart and Romine (more Stewart) unless Cervelli will be back before/by then.

      If Cervelli is ready to play, he’ll get the callup, not Murphy who will vy for the catcher’s job next year.

      Btw Stewart is a good backup catcher, he’s just been in the unenviable position of having to play every day or almost every day and he’s showed that he can’t. That doesn’t make him a bad player, it just makes him a backup catcher who can’t start, hence the word “backup”. Since he’s making only $515K this season I have no problem whatsoever with him being re-signed for next year as long as he is not the everyday catcher, and anyone who tells me “he could be” well that’s what happens when the starter gets hurt. ‘Problem with Stewart isn’t him, it’s the Yanks going cheap at backstop and the results are certainly that.

      • Anderson Silva

        Agreed 100%. I have no problems with Stewart as the backup.

      • bpdelia

        I have no problem with Stewart as backup either. I had a problem relying on cervelli knowing his injury history. And, in truth, I’d prefer an offense first backup. Used to be that’s what teams looked for in backups like villanueva, harper, leyritz, from the 60s through the mid 90s teams appeared to want offense from BUC. Especially with ever lengthening bullpens having a bat that’s a credible pinch hitter as your BUC seems ideal.

        but the defensive specialist BUC is the new norm and in that light Stewart is totally acceptable

        • Robinson Tilapia

          We carried a couple of extreme defense-first guys in the 80’s. Joel Skinner certainly comes to mind.

          • bpdelia

            yup skinner sure. but wynegar was always considered bat first and cerone played a lot. Blanchard nokes leyritz posada were all bat first BUC’s. and personally I’d rather have the Brian Harper, Hector villanueva, Matt nokes, old tettleton Chris hoiles buc/dh/pinch hitter. But its, buc so nothing crucial. I just still believe ideal roster construction would be 6 relievers, an offense first BUC, a designated pinch runner 5 the outfielder.

            IMHO it’s time to reevaluate the need for defensive specialist BUC and 7 or even ludicrous 8 man bullpens. INEFFICIENCY!!!

  • Roba Has No Innings Limit (and needs Tommy John)

    I was at the SWB game in Louisville this evening. Pineda was clearly on a pitch count; my guess is they were capping him at 60, because Spence was warming up by the time Pineda was at around 40-45.

    Pineda sat at 93-94 for most of the night, hitting 95 several times and 96 once in the 4th inning according to the stadium gun. For the most part, he looked pretty good, though his fastball command came and went in the 3rd when he got hit hard a little and gave up those two runs. Those were with two outs, seemingly after he wasn’t quite able to put guys away with the slider. It looked like he was exclusively using the fastball-slider combination – I certainly didn’t notice anything else from where I was sitting. His last batter faced was vintage Pineda; set him up with a few blistering fastballs at 94-95, pumped a 96 MPH high fastball by him, and then on 1-2 forced a miserable-looking check swing on an 82 MPH slider that dropped off a cliff. That pitch sequence and velocity difference was the most important thing I saw from him tonight.

    Betances looked pretty dominant, blowing two guys away with 96-97 MPH fastballs, mainly. Didn’t get much of a look at his curveball – he only threw 13 pitches. Lots of low strikes.

    Both Pineda and Betances are absolutely huge in person.

    Liked what I saw from Murphy; he definitely knows how to handle the bat, though he looks like he might benefit from a weights program. He hit a few balls very hard tonight including the double, a line drive into left that I actually caught video of with my phone. I’ll see if I can get it posted somewhere. His hardest-hit ball was actually a line-out to third, a laser that the Bats’ 3B made a terrific full-out dive to snag.

    Mustelier hit a few balls hard as well. He scorched one to center that the Bats’ CF misplayed and was ruled an error, but I would’ve been more inclined to give him at least a double, advancing to 3rd on an error. It was well hit.

    I was walking around the open concourse of the stadium (it’s new, and very nice) with my girlfriend and Randy Ruiz’s home run literally landed 3 feet in front of us out beyond the left-center field bleachers. It was a bomb – definitely at least 420 feet.

    • Roba Has No Innings Limit (and needs Tommy John)

      Also, Murphy bobbled on a stolen base attempt and made no throw, then later ended the inning by nailing a would-be base thief with a perfect throw. Looked good behind the plate to me.

    • Bo Knows

      Really good info, sounds like they are trying to build up Pineda’s arm strength before letting him loose.

      Good stuff on Murphy as well, thanks for sharing

      • emac2

        My thought as well. Maybe they are cutting him down in hopes of regaining the final few MPH after which they extend the innings for as long as he can maintain velocity?

    • bpdelia

      sounds good. should offer pineda 6 years 30 million right now. 7th year option at 10 million.

  • leftylarry

    Wow, awful small sample to be giving up on Romine who hit decently at every level in the Minor Leagues.
    Even Mays and Mantle struggled first year up.

    • RetroRob

      Yeah, really. The kid was injured most of last year, barely played in AAA this year, then has sat on the bench since being called up.

      He’s been much better of late. Unknown if Murphy is better than Romine.

    • Fin

      Hey, he has been given almost 100 AB’s over 4 months. Time to move on.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Not sure if serious.

      • Dick M

        We are “developing” Stewart. Yankee brass are in love with his power tool.

      • Laz

        25 ab a month isn’t nearly enough to get into a rhythm.

    • Preston

      I agree with the sentiment but neither Mays nor Mantle “struggled” first year up. Mickey hit .267/.349/.443 and Mays hit .274/.356/.472 so they were merely good players instead of all time great players in their first years up.

      • pinch hitter

        You’re just looking at Mantle’s final stats for the year. He got sent down at one point in ’51 when he was terrible, then got called back and had it figured out.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Yeah, Mays was only slightly better offensively than Andrew McCutchen his first year.

  • Dan

    While he didn’t tonight, I really like the fact that Betances routinely throws two innings. I’m looking forward to seeing him in September.

  • sar515

    Really think it’s not worth giving Randy Ruiz a shot for a week…and see if he can run into a few?

    • nycsportzfan

      I do. I’ve said this for some time now. There is no sense having him if the guys gonna show the kinda power he has and not bring em up. We need a RH option over at 1B anyhow, and hes hit 277BA as a MLB over the course of his career as well. Ruiz is definetly worth a gamble at this time, to see if he can run into some, as you put it.

      Also, on a diffrent note, i stand by Dellin Betances as are possible future closer , so we can keep Robertson as the 8th inning guy. I think Robertson might be better staying in his 8th inning role, and Betances screams closer. Even when hes walking guys, its tough for teams to score em, because of his strikeout stuff. Hes got bigtime stuff, and is much more then just a ordinary middle reliever. Hes the closer of the future in my opinion.

  • EndLessJose

    I wonder what Aybar would cost in terms of prospects.We need to replace Jeter next year.

  • Wayne

    So Pineda is on an innings limit next year too. does that mean he won’t start for the major league roster until 2015. when is he a free agent again? Hope Gil Patterson knows what he is doing. Is Gil also the reason jose Ramirez got jumped to aaa after 9 starts on aa. damn jose was doing so well in aa he might have been ready for aaa if he had stayed in aa till now. Hope Hal has not given up on Jose Ramirez. I have a feeling he and depaula will be gone by the deadline.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      In a startling turn of events, the Yankees acquire Giancarlo Stanton at the deadline for……Wayne.

      • nsalem

        Don’t judge people by what they say between 3 and 4 AM. Especially women

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Am I the only one who looks forward to seeing who Wayne claims is being waterboarded by Gil Patterson in the DOTF thread when I wake up in the morning? This is just gold.

  • Robert

    Wil Myers wow!! Tampa traded a starting pitcher for him.For a top ten baseball prospect would the Yanks trade a pitcher named Kuroda?

    • Dick M

      It would make too much sense.

      • http://wwww.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

        Kuroda has a full NTC in his contract. He’s also shown in the past that he won’t wave it. He did the same when he was with the Dodgers.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          It feels more like a hypothetical at this point. It’s not coming up between now and Wednesday and he’s not clearing waivers in August.

          This is more like, “in a half-vacuum, where only some things count, do you pull the trigger on that scenario, even if you’re 2.5 out of a WC spot?” It’d feel too good to pass up. Part of me feels downright insane for saying that, while the other feels the same way for thinking the opposite is even an option. Insanity all the way around.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Call your GM friends and see if they offer one up.

    • Gonzo

      2 years of James Shields >>> 2 months of Kuroda

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        This. They’re essentially same pitcher, but Shields was and is (much) younger and offered more years of control at the time of the trade.

    • RetroRob

      At the point of the deal, Shields has two years left on his contract, and the Royals also received another good arm.

      Kuroda has two months left.

      Not getting Myers-level talent for a rental.

  • Michelle Axisa

    Yay for cock!

  • nycsportzfan

    Brandon Thomas is a athlete. He just has a MLB feel to him, in my opinion. I hope i’m right. I’d love to see him get a quick call up to Charleston for a few wk’s this yr. I gotta feeling about Brandon Thomas.