Twins clobber Yankees to end first half

Sunday Night Open Thread
Fan Confidence Poll: July 15th, 2013

Source: FanGraphs

What a fitting way to end an ugly, mostly uninteresting first half. I don’t think I’ve ever found a Yankees team to be as unlikable as this one. The Twins clobbered New York by the score of 10-4 on Sunday, as the hometown team was booed off the field for the following (no particular order):

  1. Bad hitting.
  2. Bad pitching.
  3. Bad defense.

That’s the trifecta right there. We’ve seen two of the three at the same time on several occasions on the first half, but the Bombers were nice enough to mush all three together on Sunday. I am very thankful I was at the Futures Game and saw a total of zero pitches of that nightmare. If you were hoping for an in-depth recap, sorry. You won’t get it here. I doubt you want to relive that game anyway.

The Yankees head into the All-Star break with 51 wins and 44 losses, a .537 winning that is their worst in the first half since … 2008 (.526). I have to say, closing out the first half by going 3-4 in seven home (!) games against the Royals and Twins is incredibly weak. This was the soft part of the schedule, they had to take advantage. Now they’ll have to try to make some noise by playing three in Fenway Park and four in the Ballpark in Arlington immediately after the break. Good luck with that. has the box score and video lowlights of Sunday’s loss while FanGraphs has some other stats and ESPN has the box score. Since both the Rays and Orioles won, the Yankees go into the break in sole possession of fourth place in the AL East. They are three games back of the second wildcard spot in the loss column. Not insurmountable, but not ideal either. They need help and soon if they want to make a run at this thing in Mariano Rivera‘s final season.

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There won’t be a regular minor league update tonight, but you can peruse the various box scores by clicking here.

Sunday Night Open Thread
Fan Confidence Poll: July 15th, 2013
  • your mom

    They need help and soon but who the hell are they going to trade for that will make this team a playoff team? I don’t see anyone significant available that can push us past the likes of Texas, TB and Baltimore. If we keep playing like shit after the break, might as well trade some guys away instead trading for pieces that won’t help.

    • trr

      We’ve got about 2 weeks to the trading deadline, so there really isn’t much time to reevaluate . Still, it’s hard to imagine The New York Yankees as sellers at the deadline. But you’re right, Mom – it ‘s tough to foresee how to achieve the wholesale changes this team so desperately needs. If the FO can pull this off, I’ll take a bite out of that goddamn hat myself!

  • Jobs

    Well all we can do is go to bed and hope that tomorrow is a better day in Yankee land . . . God damn it! Who the hell crapped in this bed? It looks like an entire team of men crapped the bed today! This is unacceptable and wrong, and some of it doesn’t even look human. This incident cannot go unpunished. As of today I am officially doing the unthinkable, I will join forces with David Ortiz to find the real killers.

    • JohnnyC

      That’s some bad meds, man.

    • Magilla Gorilla

      Maybe OJ can help you.

      • Brian S.

        He was innocent.

        • forensic

          …because of a largely incompetent investigation by the LAPD and trial presentation by the LA County DA’s office.

          • Snuke Swanky

            sounds familiar.

      • forensic

        OJ’s a little busy in northern Nevada for the next 4-28 years.

  • Matt DiBari

    Last year was a more unlikeable team, results aside. I’ll admit that this is probably heavily affected by my biggest pet peeve being constant, manic, pitching changes and a team that spends any significant portion of the season with two LOOGYS and two ROOGYS is always gonna hold a special place of hate in my heart.

    Also, even with all the terrible players that have cycled through this year, I’m not sure anyone has matched that special blend of uselessness, pointlessness and that “I follow the game pretty closely and I’ve never in my life heard of this man” quality that Steve Pearce brought to the table.

    • WhittakerWalt

      Really? Chris Nelson didn’t do that for you?

  • andiamo

    The only place the Yankees can use their financial advantage is to sign Cuban or Japanese free agents without MLB penalty. They passed on Cesedes and Puig. When they cost only cash. Why

    • Laz

      Puig signed a ml contract, so even if he didn’t make it money still counts towards luxury tax. It would be no different if they had made the move this winter to resign swisher and martin.

    • Magilla Gorilla

      add Yu Darvish

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      Bite your tongue. The Yankees are too smart to spend that kind of money on unproven Japanese,Cuban or Korean players.

      They prefer to spend on sure things like Youkilis, Ichiro, Wells, Burnett and Arod.

      • Get Phelps Up

        Burnett and ARod who were signed years before anyone even really knew about Cespedes, Puig, Ryu, etc, and also years before the new CBA?

        • forensic

          Wells’ contract was signed well before that too. :-)

          • ChrisS

            Not so much the contract, but the Yankees decision to add Wells AND his contract was after they passed spending any money of players that could actually help the team.

            • Manny’s BanWagon


  • forensic

    What a miserable game. Not even really worth going through the specifics (defense, offense, lineup decisions), same basic stuff as much of the season.

    I’m so torn on the next 4 days. Usually, I hate days with no Yankees game, but it’s almost relaxing to have a few days away, especially after this game, series, and even homestand.

  • Lukaszek

    At first the plan was to tread water and stay alive until the ship of regulars came in for the rescue. However, the Yankees not only managed to tread water but even managed to swim close to the shore. But as it appeared that they would reach the shore flawlessly, the weaknesses in the lineup became revealed and the Yankees started drowning two hundred feet from the coast. Teixeira and Granderson saw their old buddies drowning and swam to the drowning Yankees yelling “don’t you m-fers die on us now!” but ended up being stung by a stingray. Teixeira ended up passing out and has not been seen since, while Granderson sheepishly paddled his way onto a piece of wood to rest out the injury. Then the Captain of the ship saw the drowning Yankees and screamed “Captain Clutch is coming through” and swam to the Yankees so fast that he ended up breaking David Phelps’ swimming records at the Olympics. However because he swam so fast he ended up getting a cramp and joined Granderson on the floating piece of wood. Only A-Rod remained. A-Rod stood by the coast and yelled “hey guys, don’t count me out yet, I’m coming” but heard a gun click behind his head. It was Lifeguard Cashman who spoke softly but strongly “you make one move and Imma plant this Magnum in your brain” Suddenly a helicopter appeared and Anthony Bosch came out with his hands tied behind his back “Sorry Al but…they MADE me tell” Then Bud Selig came out behind Bosch, pointed his finger at A-Rod and said “You’re coming with me pal your days of tyranny are OVER”

    This is the recap if anyone missed part of the Yankees season so far

    • Wheels

      I assume Cervelli is lost somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle.

      • Lukaszek

        Pretty much. I heard he found a baseball floating randomly in the water, drew a face on it, and it became his best friend

  • CONservative governMENt

    Need to flip some players for international signing money.

  • http://RAB I remember the CBS years!

    I’d like to thank yes for showing a Yankee classic from the CBS years this morning. But, don’t they usually show ones that they win? Seriously, I’d like to know why not Lillibridge (.325) and Murphy (.309)? If Cruz had anything to offer offensively, Donnie would never of sent him packing. And, it was nice of the great girardi to send up Romine for an over tired Stewart, to end the game on a called third strike. Also, with 643 minor league games in the Yankee system, didn’t anyone teach Almonte about running the bases? Gardy needs another day off because he was beat up? How many off day’s did Maury Wills, Lou Brock, and Rick ‘I’m a real burner’ Henderson get off? Gardy should be ashamed because he’s tied with a 39yr. old who played the game today and has a better SB % to go with his 13 steals.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      Rickey averaged about 133 games/year during his full years with the Yankees. Not sure he’s the guy you should be using as an example in durability and playing everyday.

    • WhittakerWalt

      The Romine AB certainly made no sense, but it hardly mattered in the end. Unless you thought we were going to get off the deck and score 7 runs in the bottom of the 9th. Also, it wasn’t the last out of the game.

    • http://RAB I remember the CBS years!

      Rickey only proves my point. The steals, homers, in a short time frame. If Gardy loses his speed he isn’t even a fifth OF. The guy leads the team in K’s, and is tied with a 39 year old part timer in steals. The Romine PH wasn’t thought of as a seven run comeback, just as the great girardi using a bogus excuse, Why not put Gonzalez in at 2nd so Cano can rest up for the HR derby? What I’m saying is Cash got lucky last year in the dumpster diving area. It’s time to take a look see on some of the kids. Ruiz and Lillibridge got to be better than Cruz, Ishikawa(Buck doesn’t give up talent)Gonzalez. Every team takes a shot with the kids. Phelps, Warren, Almonte, are better than Francisco, Cruz, Gonzalez, Bootchek. (I know Lillibridge isn’t a kid, but, the avg. deserves a chance)

  • Kramerica Industries

    It’s an unlikeable team only because it’s a mosh pit of people who don’t deserve to play every day. The injury bug was absolutely vicious.

    Somehow, the “treading water” mantra morphed into playing the entire pre-ASB portion of the schedule, getting, like, 24 combined games out of three of the injured guys, ALL of them are injured again. Along with other guys departing the fold and not having returned yet.

    I mean, jeez. To me, it’s an absolute miracle to enter the ASB at 51-44.

    • I’m One

      Yeah, while the sesaon as a whole so far has sucked from a recent historical perspective (last 18 years), the bright side is this group of player probably shouldn’t be 7 games over .500.

      I’m not saying this is ideal or even that the team can make it back and be a playoff contender (no crystal ball here), but this team could just as easily be 7 games under .500. How would that feel? As much as this sucks, it could be so much worse.

      I’m very curious to see what the FO does prior to the trading deadline and then this offseason. These should be clues as to how (if?) the team competes over the next few seasons.

  • Brian S.

    Trade people plz. kthnxbye

  • cofuzz

    Staten Island 7, Auburn 6

    Little Paulie 2-5, 1 2B, 2 R, 2 K — OPS now .731, but 36K in 100AB and only 5 BB. That was his 7th double and he also stole his 6th base.
    Jagielo 3-5, 1 2B, 3 RBI — OPS now .882 on the season. A little short on power, but hitting and taking balls. 5/5 K/BB in 45ABs.
    Yeicok 0-3, 1 BB — OPSing .818 since his demotion. Too bad the 21-year-old was overwhelmed in Low-A.
    Brandon Thomas 1-4, 2 RBI — 5 for his last 16, so hopefully this year’s 8th rounder is rounding into shape. Remember, he battled mononucleosis as a college senior and dropped from the 4th round in 2012.
    Jose Rosario 1-3, 1 RBI — 5 for his last 12 and 8 for his last 24, but only OPSing .695 since his demotion from Charleston.
    Bubba Jones 0-3, 1 BB, 1 R — Still 19, he’s OPSing .920 in his last 10 games.

    Jairo Heredia 4 IP, 6H, 4ER, 3/0 K/BB — The 23-year-old has regressed in his last three starts against mostly younger competition, but his 31/4 K/BB ratio is still great and his braces look boss.
    Nick Rumbelow 1 IP, SV — Second consecutive save for the 7th rounder out of LSU. 7IP and no earned runs so far this season (knock on wood.)

    Charleston 5, Augusta 4 (Walk-off style in 10)

    Jake Cave & Cito Culver 0-4 — Cave struck out once. Culver K’ed twice. He’s 0 for his last 8 after a nice 5-game hittng streak.
    Greg Bird 1-4 with one of four RiverDog dongs. He’s now homered in three consecutive games and is OPSing .882 on the season, .990 in his last 10 games (despite a .206 BA.)
    Angelo Gumbs 0-3, 1 BB, 1 R
    DBJ 1-4 with the only non-solo shot. He’s OPSing Fresno’s area code (559) on the season and .431 in his last 10 despite that homer. He’s officially off the prospect charts,don’t you think?
    Reymond Nunez 2-4 with the other two homers, including the walk-off shot. He has 10 HRs on the season.

    Jose Campos 4 IP, 2H, 1ER, 5/0 K/BB — Last 20 IP, 18H, 3ER, 19/0 K/BB. Can we say he’s back as a top prospect, though, before he’s qualifying for wins in his starts?
    Tyler Webb 1 IP, zeroes, 1 K — The Yankees 10th round pick out of South Carolina must feel right at home in Charleston. He’s got 9 Ks in his last five, scoreless innings and picked up a hold today.
    Ben Paullus, 2 IP, 1 ER, BS and a VW (vulture win.)

    Tampa 4, Bradenton 3
    Mason Williams 2-4, 1R, 1RBI, 1 SB — back with a vengeance after losing 10 days to illness. He’s 4-8 with 2 2B since returning and OPSing .928 in his last 10.
    ARod 1-3, 1 2B, 1 BB, 2RBI, 1 K — up to Trenton tomorrow.
    Pete O’Brien (back at 3B while ARod took a DH day) 2-4 — 8 for his last 18 (.444) with a homer and two doubles.
    Gary Sanchez 1-4 — hitting exactly .250 in last ten with one homer and two doubles. He also committed his 7th error of the season on a pickoff attempt. He must be bored.
    Ben Gamel – 1-4, 1 2B — Matt’s brother is old enough to buy everybody beer and he’s OPSing .849 in his last 10 games.

    Joel De La (Soul) Cruz 5 IP, 7H, 1ER, 4/1 K/BB — 24-year-old has started 4 games this year: 17 IP, 3ER, 15H, 14/5 K/BB. Overall, in his last 29 IP, he has a 1.24 ERA and 23/10 K/BB.
    David Herndon 2 IP, 5H, 2ER, 2/0 K/BB — couple of errors didn’t help, but Herndon seems far from helping in New York despite good velocity. As always with TJ recoveries, it’s all about location.

    New Britain 1, Trenton 0
    Jose Pirela got the only Thunder hit, a single off Virgil Vasquez. He also walked, as did Ramon Flores.
    The rest of the team, which didn’t include Tyler Austin, went 0-23. Slade Heathcott’s hitting streak ended at 12.

    Shane Greene 6 IP, 5H, 1ER, 3/1 K/BB
    Graham Stoneburner, 2 IP, zeroes

    Buffalo 7, SWB 1

    AA and AAA offenses were mimicking the major league squad today.
    JR Murphy was a bright spot, going 2-4 with a 2B and driving in the team’s only run.
    David Adams walked once and scored the run.
    Melky Mesa and Walter Ibarra singled, and Brent Lillibridge got HBP before he got picked off, but how is Ricky Romero in AAA and how is he in AAA with a 5.56 ERA? Dude dominated our squad of AAAA players.

    Brett Marshall gave up 7R, 4ER in 6IP despite only allowing 4H. He walked five, though, and only thre 52 strikes in 99 pitches. He’s been horrible this season with a 5.99 ERA. But at least he’s consistent. His ERA in his last 10 games is 5.91.He’s given up 99 hits and 54 walks in 88.2 IP for a .283 BAA and a 1.73 WHIP. He’s only 23, though, so as long as he’s learning something in his first year at AAA, his career could still recover.
    Chase Whitley tossed two scoreless innings of garbage relief with a 1/2 K/BB. He’s thrown 11.1 scoreless innings in his last 5 appearances and, except for the fact that Claiborne seems to have righted his own ship, Whitley might have started the second half wearing gray at Fenway.

    • Brian S.

      Awesome stuff. I nominate you as new Mike.

      • cofuzz

        Next time I’ll try to add links for things lie Heredia’s “boss” braces.

  • Magilla Gorilla

    Generally, this is the time that we say bring up the kids. However, the kids consists of Dan Johnson as an alternative to Hafner or Overbay and J.R. Murphy, who is just learning how to crawl.

    • Brian S.

      Yeah I would let Murphy finish the year in AAA, maybe a September call-up. Since we aren’t going anywhere I would let Romine catch everyday and accumulate major league experience to see if he can not be the worst hitter of all time.

  • Brian S.

    can we start selling yet

    • John C

      Sure, start selling when you’re 3 games out of a wild card spot on July 15. Makes sense.

      • ChrisS

        They’re also a .500 team pythag, 5 game out of last in the loss column (to a team with only a marginally worse run diff and their own injury problems), and if there were no second WC, they’d be in bigger trouble.

        Let’s not pretend that this is a talented team that’s just beginning to find their legs.

        Whether to sell or not, you have to make a determination as to whether this team will likely be better or worse next season and if making a push to the playoffs will result in a better team in 2014.

        I don’t think it will and that they have some halfway decent chips that, in addition to the Yankees financial advantage, can expedite a rebuilding. I’d rather miss the playoffs for 2-3 seasons and be back with a vengeance for a decade rather than be mediocre for 5 years.

  • stuart a

    Did not see the masterpiece today.

    selling;; sell Joba and Hughes and go from there. Trade those 2 for bats/bat prospects…Hughes to the DOdger in Angels make sense.

    Hughes and Joba for Joc Pederson and others….Joba is not needed and hughes probably is not either so trade them and get some assets back.

  • 461deep

    Team has done better than experts predicted so some here a little hard in their views. Wells and Haffner doing as expected or a little worse.
    Ichiro nice first half and he eats that ball up that Robbie just missed off his glove. Wells so
    slow now after being a former very good CF. FO
    seems reluctant to upgrade seriously with at least 1 hitter. Maybe that CAP bull, going cheapo or looking to sell which I think some in the family would like.
    Wild Card a long shot.

  • Electric Nunez ll

    “I don’t think I’ve ever found a Yankees team to be as unlikable as this one.”-

    C’mon now, like the rest of us, no one is forcing you to watch them or write about them. Life is too short, dude, find something more enjoyable to do with your time.

  • WhittakerWalt

    All you guys who think we should sell everyone and bring up the kids, you’re not allowed to complain about the next 5+ years of horrible baseball.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Oh please, you’re assuming that there’s a viable alternative. They’ve shown the the best way they improve is by buying the best free agents. And the only means to that is to take out that 189 million dollar budget.

      The “all in” plan just delays being mediocre. Get it over with now.

      • Snuke Swanky

        Yup. 3 games out of the playoff with a roster full of legendary players at the end of their careers, and now is the time to dump all of your best players for risk-filled minor leaguers.

      • WhittakerWalt

        So you’re cool with watching terrible baseball for the foreseeable future. Unless you know of some awesome stud minor leaguers that are just being held back in reserve right now?

    • Lukaszek

      I’ll be in university for the four of the next five years so I’m not too worried about that

  • Bavarian Yankee

    7 games above .500 with that team? That’s not too shabby if you ask me.

    • nycsportzfan

      I’m with you. We added Overbay, Wells, and hafner for godsake and somehow were 7games above 500 with no granderson, jeter, Arod, Tex for basically or all of the first half.

      The thing that will annoy me is if Cashman can make alittle noise at the trade deadline to at least attempt to make this surprise 1st half record stand up and make the postseason.

  • JLC 776

    It might be an unenjoyable team to watch, but I’m still happier being a Yankee fan than a fan of any other franchise! We made it through the years where Steve Balboni and Danny Tartabull were the reasons to show up to the park (well, after Mattingly of course), so a 7-over-.500 team is nothing too horrible.

    Anyway, I do hate having to watch the aging, stop-gap scrap heap veterans that were thrown onto the team for one to two years, but I don’t think throwing youth up there is really a good alternative either. You bring guys up too early and they will contribute absolutely nothing and it will hurt their potential to grow. You have to be patient. Maybe you sell some pieces now for a goody bag of ML-ready prospects, but even then you have to be careful and realistic.

    Oh, and stop demanding to trade Hughes. What the hell is that really going to accomplish?

  • VaYankeeFan

    With this team, being 7 games over .500 at the ASB can’t be explained! I see a fairly dim second-half for the Yankees. The older players will break down and the DL guys will be little or no help. Time for the Yanks to plan for the next few years and move on! Being a Yankee fan for over 50 years I’ve seen many great teams, some average and some poor and I still love the YANKEES. Go YANKEES, but this is not our year!!!

    • Rolling Doughnut

      And the second half schedule is brutal. It’s going to be a tough slog.

  • dick m

    A very poorly constructed team run by bad baseball men. When Ichiro swung at the 3-1 pitch that as down around his ankles to lead off the game its a sign of a bad team. 12 mill to a 3rd baseman who can’t stay on the field. All the Steinbrenner boys care about is revenue and cashman hasn’t made a good deal in years. The draft is awful and the player dvelopment is worse. Embarrassing.

  • DavidAdamsIsGod

    Spoiled brats.

    The lot of you.

    And that’s to include the guy who authored this post.

    • Scorpio Tube

      I know, it comes across rather obviously. You could feel the petulance in last night’s “Open thread” entry, even…

      Right on the heels of saying there was no other team in baseball he would rather see this team face than the good ol’ Twinkies, and then they promptly lose both games. Priceless…

      Guys like him gonna have to learn to eat s**t and see their viewership and hence revenue dwindle as the team descends into likely suckitude.

  • Vern Sneaker

    Seven over at the break doesn’t say it — They’re 21-26 since peaking at 30-18 on May 25. There is no reason to expect a playoff spot without major changes in the lineup and more consistent starting pitching. The pitching consistency could happen with this group, it’s talented enough and you never know, but the lineup changes? They are not in the system, and I wonder if Cashman has the value to give for key trades or even the willingness to make them.

  • Hassey

    Excuse me – is this where I come to get tickets for today’s Lion King matinee?

  • ChrisS

    Some fans apparently don’t understand the concept of buying low and selling high (something the Yankees front office rarely does). They’d prefer to squeeze the last bit of value out of anything rather than take a risk on unproven talent with more potential.

    Roberto Kelly for Paul Oneill to make room for Bernie Williams never would have happened with this lot. Tewksbury for Steve trout certainly would.

  • cofuzz

    The 1991 Yankees were far more unlikeable.
    Mattingly(half dead), Maas, Steve Sax, Alvaro Espinoza, Torey Lovullo, Matt Nokes (leading the team in HR w/24), Mel Hall, Pat Kelly, Hensley Meulens, Bob Geren.
    Stupendously bad offense and bad pitching too: Scott Sanderson, Lee Guetterman, Jeff Johnson, Wade Taylor, John Habyan, Chuck Cary.
    Wow. That was a hard to watch team. And when I followed them around the country, Mattingly wouldn’t sign anything — not even a menu I acquired on a side trip to his restaurant in Indiana.

  • Joe

    Well I still believing developing hitters particularly for this team is very important, because this team needs special kind of hitters who strengths are different. The Yankees will never find an Allen Craig, Yasiel Puig, Manny Machado, or Sean Segura on the free agent market. Sure you’ll find a guy with power like Ibanez or someone like Adam Dunn at some point, but you’ll never find the young guys I listed above. Guys that have very good baseball IQ’s at the plate and will not consider an at bat that doesn’t result in a homer when contact is made in an at bat as a failure.

    I don’t know what hitters like Granderson were taught in little league, but I was always taught to swing smooth and compact and let the ball travel. There is a reason I value someone like Mauer’s hitting and don’t value the hitting Teixeira brings me. As far I’m concerned more in the way can be said for hitters that don’t do too much trying to swing hard and long situationally, then hitters who let it track and are able to fight pitches off the other way as well as consistently foul them off with 2 strikes. I like hitter who have high baseball IQ’s and are able to take what is given to them by a pitcher because you are not getting a mistake pitch by the pitcher every time up in a big spot to hit out of the ballpark and in several cases against elite pitching requires a Joe Mauer approach with 2 strikes to get a key hit on a good pitch.