Heyman: Yanks made two offers for Young; Ruiz was unavailable

Eagerly awaiting Curtis Granderson's return
Thursday Night Open Thread

Via Jon Heyman: The Yankees made the Phillies two offers for Michael Young prior to yesterday’s trade deadline. They first offered right-hander Tommy Kahnle while assuming the $5M left on Young’s contract before offering a different (unnamed) prospect, but both were rejected. The Yankees also asked about Carlos Ruiz but were told he wasn’t available.

Both Young and Ruiz are prime August waiver trade bait as Philadelphia continues to fall out of the race. The Yankees are pretty high up on the waiver priority list, at least relative to their primary wildcard competitors, but both Young and Ruiz would have to pass through the NL and about a half-dozen AL teams before New York had a shot at them. Here’s how August waiver trades work, if you need a reminder. It’s doable but complicated.

Eagerly awaiting Curtis Granderson's return
Thursday Night Open Thread
  • All Praise Be To Mo

    Wow, can’t believe the Phillies didn’t take that deal for Kahnle. If I were the Yanks I’d claim them both but offer them nothing in return except salary relief.

    • I’m not sure where Dietrich Enns and I begin

      I wonder what the Phillies told us it would take to get Young? It would be fun to be a fly on the wall during trade deadline day.

    • Anthropologique

      I agree. Amaro is becoming more and more clueless.

      • dkidd

        in philly, his name is pronounced “ruins tomorrow”

        • Robby

          Yes the Phillies were a very good team 2-3 years ago and little by little are becoming a second class team with huge salaries. Disaster in the making!

    • Bob Michaels

      Looks like the Phillies still have some hard feelings after getting their Ass whipped in 2009.

  • EndlessJose

    Brian thinks offering crappy prospects in trades means he’s working.If you aren’t gonna take more money than you have to give up a good prospect.We are a money team not a farm team.

    Brian Cashman really thinks he sitting on a gold mine of prospects.Yet he and Damon Oppenheimer have done a terrible job the last five years.

    • Bo Knows

      Give up good prospects for shitty players…….

    • CountryClub

      That trade proposal was more than fair.

    • BK2ATL

      A couple of recent similar deadline type deals….

      Berkman for Mark Melancon….

      Kernes for Zack McAlister…

      Crappy prospects indeed. Who would want them??? Neither had any real value. Whatever became of them???

      • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

        Melancon is now the Pirates closer. Definitely an NL only pitcher.

        • BK2ATL

          That’s my point. Neither were exactly “crappy prospects.” Just had no future in the Bronx and were expendable. Given a chance to play elsewhere, they both blossomed into decent MLB players.

          The Young situation is the same as both of those deals. Aging vet who’s getting phased out traded for a minor prospect plus assumption of remaining salary of aging vet. Kahnle or Whitney was a reasonable offer. Young would’ve waived his no-trade clause to the Yankees.

          Can’t blame Cashman for Amaro Jr. being an idiot. Phils won’t even be in the wild card race this year. Young’s gone after this season.

    • BFDeal

      Please change your handle to CluelessJose

    • Evan3457

      There was no more money to take; he offered to pick up Young’s remaining contract salary.

  • Pseudoyanks

    I wonder if Joba and Hughesy have cleared waivers yet.

    • trr

      ha! they’re still available for whoever wants ’em I’m sure…

      • Pseudoyanks

        $1.5 Million in International Signing Cap for Hughesy…get ‘er done!

        • Havok9120

          Substitute Joba in that deal and, depending on who’s left out there, I might actually consider it.

          Typing that galls me.

          • Pseudoyanks

            Since a First rounder gets a bonus in the $1.5-2.0 Million range, it is pretty much the equivalent of keeping Hughes and getting a supplemental pick. That’s why I said Hughes. I didn’t want my trade proposal to suck and be one sided. For Joba, hell yeah, I’d do it but that trade proposal sucks…and yes, as you said, it all depends on the Yanks having an international FA who they like lined up who will sign.

        • Fernando

          Teams are only allowed to trade for a maximum of 50% more of their draft pool. So this trade would not work for that amount. Yankees around 1.877M, so could only get an additional 900K or so pool money.

        • Fernando

          Actually this trade won’t work, regardless of the dollar amount involved because the Yankees have ALREADY used up their bonus pool money triggering this rule….

          “Once a team has signed enough players to spend all its international pool money, it cannot trade for additional pool space. So if a team had $1 million left in its pool on Sept. 1, then on Oct. 1 signed a player for $1.5 million, the club would not be allowed to trade for additional pool space to fit the player into its pool.”

  • Dr. TJ Eckleberg

    Darn, we didn’t get Stew-iz. Good thing Ruben made a shitty catcher unavailable.

  • Anthropologique

    Time to bring up guys like Murphy, Austin, Williams

    • Robinson Tilapia

      ….Leonardo Molina…..

    • Charles LaSpada

      I agree completely. Other teams bring up players who help there teams. Murphy would certainly do a better job than what they have at catcher. Nothing to lose.

  • OldYanksFan

    Dominican center fielder Leonardo Molina, the No. 5 international prospect for July 2, has signed with the Yankees for $1.4 million.

    Molina, who became eligible to sign today on his 16th birthday, is 6-foot-2, 165 pounds with outstanding speed and is the best athlete in this year’s international signing class. He’s a righthanded hitter with good bat speed who played in the Dominican Prospect League and trained with Decarte Corporan

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Kanhle? Wayne would have been in the fetal position.

    Completely fair offer.

    • Dr. TJ Eckleberg

      I agree. At some point you have to shake your had at Amaro and Jack Z. You aren’t going to compete or resign those guys. Even if it’s not great prospects it’s better than nothing. Young and Ruiz specifically aren’t going to net you picks, and neither is Morse. I would’ve been pissed to give away more than that for league average or below players.

  • rose heller

    why the hell are they dragging the suspensions out.so now we have to wait until Monday. when Monday gets here, we most likely will be told we have to wait until friday.

  • ChrisWidger

    Wow, stunningly, Cashman and co aren’t incompetent fools and did attempt to upgrade the team.

    And made a fair offer. For a player who wasn’t traded, and asked about another player at a key position who should have been available if Amaro was sane.

    Gonna take back any of what you said after the deadline, Mike?

  • Rob

    According to the news I read the Yanks are going to look like an upgraded team today, Curtis Granderson would seem like a big trade at this point. Also I think we have two Sorianos now/soon, Derek Jeter too.
    Also Jeter and Granderson are sort of fresh now. Maybe Joe G wants to be a player/manager we need a catcher And were short of Thurman Munsons.
    Too bad we couldn’t get Raul Ibanez back for the stretch, A clutch hitter is a beautiful thing. The pitching staff needs a reminder, low and away then up and in, stay away from the power zones and make them hit it at someone, that’s what they do , their fielders right. Game goes faster. never walk anyone, hit em with ball four.