Aug
29

On Brian Cashman and Alfonso Soriano

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“I would say we are in a desperate time. Ownership wants to go for it. I didn’t want to give up a young arm [Corey Black]. But I understand the desperate need we have for offense. And Soriano will help us. The bottom line is this guy makes us better. Did ownership want him? Absolutely, yes. Does he make us better? Absolutely, yes. This is what Hal wants, and this is why we are doing it.”

That’s what Brian Cashman told Joel Sherman just days after the Yankees acquired Alfonso Soriano last month. A lot of people have taken that to mean Cashman didn’t want Soriano, but he didn’t really say that. Maybe he meant it, but he didn’t say it. He simply said he didn’t want to give up a good but not great Single-A pitching prospect for a good but not great corner outfielder. Considering the Cubs had little leverage after Soriano said he would only waive his no-trade clause to come back to the Yankees, you can argue Black was an overpay. I think it was a fair trade, but that’s just me. Maybe Cashman thought they could get him while giving up something less. That’s not unreasonable.

Now that Soriano is pretty much carrying the team offensively — or at least producing the loudest with all the homers — Cashman’s taking a ton of heat for not wanting him even though that’s not what he said. It kinda sounds like he said that though and now he looks silly. Such is life. Does that have any actual impact on the team’s performance? Maybe, but I find that hard to believe. Maybe Cashman’s ego is bruised, but who really cares about that. He’s been the GM of the New York Yankees for a long ass time; I’m pretty sure he’s learned to tune out the public perception of him and the job he’s doing. You kinda have to to survive that long.

The question I and I think a lot of people have is why? Why did Cashman go public with his disagreement with the trade? Was he simply responding to a question or was it unprovoked? Was he suggesting the Yankees stink and should focus on rebuilding rather than adding another ancient player signed through 2014? Is he just sick of being over-ruled? No one knows other than Cashman and that sucks because it leads to all sorts of speculation. We’re all guilty of it and none of it is productive. Sure is fun though.

(Jim McIsaac/Getty)

(Jim McIsaac/Getty)

There is one thing I do know: Brian Cashman isn’t stupid. If you’ve listened to him talk at any point in the last like, 15 years, then you know he’s mastered the art of saying both a lot of words and nothing at all. He gives these long-winded answers and there’s nothing to them. Lots of words and no information. It’s amazing. Joe Girardi has gotten good at it as well. When Cashman does say something with actual substance, it’s because he wants to. There’s a reason he came out and said he didn’t agree with the Soriano deal trading Corey Black. There’s a message for someone in there.

An important thing — maybe the most important thing — to remember is that there are reputations involved here. What if Cashman was in trade talks with other clubs and told them Black was untouchable? It sure would look bad if he turned around and dealt him to the Cubs, wouldn’t it? That would make it tough to trust the guy in future trade conversations in my opinion. I remember a few years ago, while speaking at a WFAN charity event, Cashman said part of the reason he was so outspoken following the Rafael Soriano signing was because he had told other agents he was unwilling to go three years on a relief pitcher. He had to let those guys know hey, it wasn’t me. My bosses did it.

Cashman said he didn’t want to trade Black for Soriano for some reason. Some reason we don’t know. I don’t think he was out there thumping his chest trying to reassert his dominance over the baseball operations. He and the Steinbrenners reportedly have a great relationship and that’s the most important thing. That he’s not a simple “yes man” and is voicing his displeasure is a good thing (to some extent) even if comes off as unprofessional. A bunch of guys sitting around a table agreeing with each other is no way to build a baseball team. There has to be different voices. Cashman has been more outspoken these last few years — I find it really refreshing because he’s snarky and often brutally honest — and I think all of it is calculated. He’s not doing this for fun. There’s a method to Cashman’s madness.

Categories : Musings
  • YankeeGrunt

    Some good points in there, but I don’t think there was anything measured or rational to his angry outburst about Alex a couple months ago. Even deliberative people sometimes say things rashly.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      Yeah; that was just over the line.

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

      He didn’t know his comments were going to be made public. It was a mistake (and over the line) of course, but I highly doubt that his public comments would have sounded anything like we actually heard.

  • Jack

    So you mean being a GM isn’t as simple as it seems, and that there are a whole lot of things to consider before making a trade, like credibility, long term considerations, relationships with agents and other general managers, bargaining power/positions (and that’s just mentioning the things touched on in this article), etc.? How about that? How woulda thunk it?

  • jay destro

    hey i am sure corey black is a great kid with a nice arm but i mean soriano fills a role far more important than another right handed reliever.

  • Shittyshittybangbang

    Good perspective Mike. To go one step further, it can be speculated that it’s possible Hal and the boys knew that Brian had to issue a “face/integrity” saving statement regarding Black, and the possibility that he had told The Cubs “no go” on Black for Soriano.

  • crawdaddy

    I know many have a problem with Cashman being outspoken, but not me. I like it and find some of his comments enlightening and at times, very funny.

    As to Soriano, he might not have wanted to make the trade, but he’s the one that negotiated the trade so as GM he has to live with it.

  • JU

    I agree with everything “I think” Cashman was saying. Black was an overpay considering what Soriano has been the past few years, where the Cubs are, and the fact that he would only come to the Yankees.

    What’s more, I agree that considering the Yankees chances this year, picking up another old player with a 2014 contract was not worth it. And despite how good Soriano has been, I think that assumption has been supported, because even with all Sori has done they still have little to no chance.

    I’m siding with Cash on this one. I just wish he had the balls to sell at the deadline. Then we could’ve at least started to rebuild.

    • Denver – Ralph

      If ownership pulled the trigger on the Soriano deal what makes you think they would have “given the green light” to selling at the deadline?

  • lee

    i’ve always thought that what is said publicly by all these people has very little correlation with what is being said behind closed doors. it’s all strictly for PR purposes, and trying to interpret any of it is folly.

    • trr

      I think that’s pretty much it. It’s almost like politics.
      I’m sure there have been many disagreements between Cash & the Steinburglars, we just don’t hear about them

    • Darren

      Couldnt agree more. Can you imagine what’s REALLY going on with the Arod mess? I mean, the bad blood probably all stems from a drugged out hreesome with Madonna, Canseco and Don Zimmer.

  • crawdaddy

    Also, I don’t think Cashman is taking a lot of heat over the Soriano trade. As Lupica pointed out the other day, Cashman is well liked by the media even with his little tiff with the Daily News. If he wasn’t well liked, there would be much more criticism about Soriano.

    • 461deep

      Soriano has made all his doubters look bad and greatly surprised his backers. Loss to Jays last night dampens all this. 2nd WC still in play but O’s can hit so let’s hope we pitch.

  • jjyank

    I definitely agree with the conclusion you draw at the end, Mike. I don’t think he said it because he’s butt hurt about being overruled, but because he wanted to send a message to someone. Who and for what reason, we’ll never know. But as much as some people around these parts think that a monkey can do a better job than Cashman, he’s a smart dude.

  • viridiana

    Cashman has run his mouth off many times of late. There is certainly some sub-text here. But I would not necessarily fault him for being against trading Black. Still, the truth is Soriano has been one of the best Yankee acquisitions in many years.
    I find it interesting that people love to hate Randy Levine. And yet from all indications he overruled Cashman to make two exceptional moves: landing R. Soriano– which saved last season. And now landing A. Soriano– who is hitting at a Ruthian clip. Of course, If Levine is the guy who signed A-Rod for 10/$275, I withdraw all support

    • YankeeGrunt

      Slow down. He’s had a good month, but Cashman may very well have foreseen (accurately, it seems) that even the best of Soriano wasn’t going to be enough to get this team to the playoffs. And next year you’ll get the full gamut of Alfonso, from red hot to ice cold, and best case scenario that’s probably .800 OPS, 25 HRs and okay defense and baserunning, with a buttload of K’s. If he does that, great, but the downside is considerably worse. It was a short-term solution, IMO not the worst we could have made, but in the long run it isn’t a huge help, it adds more clutter to an OF that has no shortage of late 30′s fading stars under contract for 2014.

      • I’m a looser baby so why don’t you kill me?

        Also, don’t confuse outcome with process re: R. Soriano. It was a blatant overpay, cost us in other ways, was horribly structured, and “worked out” only bc of a freak accident to Mo.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        So, you’re saying that Soriano will be an average to above average outfielder next season, like he always is?

        Thank God, that’s two.

      • Mikhel

        That “good month” alone has saved the Yanks season so far.

        Granderson is by far worse than Soriano, at least Alfonso bats with men on base.

        Kkkkkkkurtis Granderson
        With men on base: 0.176 AVG
        RISP: 0.115 AVG

        Nobody on base: 0.356 AVG

        4 homeruns, 3 of them solo HRs.

        Could it be a fluke of this year? 0.237 AVG in 2012 with men on base, 29 of his 43 homeruns were solo HRs.

        Soriano in 2013 for the NYY? 8 of his 11 homeruns were with men on base.

        Overall Soriano in his career 240 of his 400 homeruns have been solo HRs, 160 with men on base (40 %), Granderson has 72 out of 214 with men on base (33%), 7% doesn’t sound as much, but IT IS a lot. If Granderson had 7% more hits in the same amount of at-bats, his career AVG would be 0.280 instead of 0.263, his OBP would jump from 0.342 to 0.356. 7% in this case is significatively higher.

        • C’ryan Dumpster

          You gotta use something better than AVG w/ men on base, especially when the year your referencing (2012) Curtis has a higher average with men on than with the bases empty

  • JLC 776

    Really good observation, Mike. I’m putting a star next to this post.

    It’s really easy (and kind of fun, from time to time) to poke and prod every move and non-move, but out here we are living in a vacuum. It’s easy to forget the mosaic that Cashman and company have to work with – especially with regards to the professional relationships with other GMs.

    This is a good thing to remember when it comes to long-term plans as well. These are smart guys who know that the best way for the Yankee’s organization to be successful is to win (as opposed to other clubs where winning literally isn’t a priority but cutting costs is). You have to trust that are playing a long-game and a short-game – even if they haven’t quite let us all in on the exact plan yet.

    • Poconos Adam

      Well said JLC.

      Good piece of thougtful writing Mike. Thanks for putting us all back in our place! We don’t know everything, we don’t see everything, we don’t hear everything.

      ….but being fans, we will continue to speculate and cheer/boo whenever we damn well feel like it.

      It’s what makes all of this fun.

  • mac1

    Its a stretch, but I wondered if Cash was trying to take heat off Hal, giving him credit for upgrading the team when Hal was being criticized for his focus on the lux tax.

    Cash sending a message to someone makes alot of sense.

    As for Black an overpay, yeesh, too much prospect love among the GM’s and fans these days.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    …..or maybe Cashman and ownership feel so secure in their relationship that they don’t mind open disagreement being a visible part of the process, as truly healthy management structures should be doing.

    The most non-issueiest of non-issues. I disagree with my boss openly all the time. At the end of the day, we share the same values, beliefs, and direction for our program moving forward, even if I think she needs to be more present and transparent to staff and she thinks I’m wishy washy and listen to them too much. Bitch.

    I digressed there somewhere.

    • kenthadley

      Bingo. Cashman and Hal/Hank grew up together…they are like old fraternity brothers, only one now works for the other. Hal and Cash are totally secure with each other’s thinking and positions on things. And above someone speculated that his statement takes heat off of Hal, I think that’s true also. It gives your boss kudos for both wanting to win, and willing to spend.

      However IMO Cashman is still an average GM working for an organization that has a championship mantra. I don’t see the value-added unless you compare him to a lousy GM. But Hal is comfortable with him.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I think it’s very possible there’s a good/bad cop dynamic here going on.

        At the end of the day, though, people just have it dead-ass wrong when they claim that any sign of disagreement between multiple individuals in a management structure means dysfunction. It CAN mean it. It also can mean other things. I don’t think it meant anything here. At all.

    • ropeadope

      I disagree with my boss openly all the time …. I think she needs to be …. and she thinks I’m ….

      Thought you were the top dog on your job. Or are you referring to the boss at home?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Very few are ever the top dog. Everyone answers to someone. Even CEO’s answer to a board.

        I’m as middle management as it comes. So’s Brian Cashman, although his job’s a bit more financially lucrative.

        • ropeadope

          Very true RT. As you’re currently in the middle, please heed the wise words of Ralph Kramden:

          “Be kind to the people you meet on the way up, because you’re going to meet the same people on the way down.”

    • JLC 776

      I guess it depends on the type of organization. I was a submarine officer for a number of years and as often as I would disagree with the captain on something (and bring it up with him in private) doing it in the open in the control center in front of the crew was something that you simply never do.

      Of course this is baseball – it’s practically fantasy land. So a healthy and open relationship with a little visible sparring is probably just fine and not going to get someone killed. Hell, if played correctly, it could even lead to an advantage during negotiations.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Very good point. This won’t fly in the military or, in your case, swim.

  • RetroRob

    Good perspective. That was/remains the main question I had when the Soriano deal was announced. Why did Cashman say anything? There is a reason, but it’s one we’ll never know.

    And for all we know, he probably wanted Soriano. We know he was having discussions on many bats. So he brought the Soriano-for-Black deal to Hal and Randy, and told them that if they wait, the team can do better. They have the leverage for the reasons Mike mentioned. He might have been telling Theo that under no circumstance will I part with Black for Soriano. Then he updates Hal and company, and they decide to pull the trigger. Cash makes it happen, but he lets others know he was trying to get more.

    It’s all fun to speculate, but I do disagree with one point. He doesn’t look silly or foolish. Most fans don’t even know this story. It’s only us obsessive types!

  • Curtis

    This audio should put an end to the speculation (6:40 in). Cashman, on Juy 31, spent 3 minutes essentially laughing off the Sherman report.

    http://podgeist.com/podcast/47.....n-cashman/

  • Mike HC

    The guy is a very smart, calculated man … After smoothly acquiring that stalker/mistress, I’m giddily anticipating his next move.

    • Mike HC

      In all seriousness, I do think the new honest Cashman is kind of a good cop, bad cop kind of thing. Everybody just used to assume the Yanks should overpay them like they overpay everyone else, or else they got offended. The Yanks wanted to change that perception that they would always cave in and overpay eventually. Same things applied to teams trying to trade with them. So Cashman is the guy to take the hard line, while ownership can always “step in” if need be.

  • brian

    I don’t care about this, if Cash wants to let it be known which “moves” he signed off on and which he did not, whatever, obviously Hal is ok with that or he’d tell him to shut up

    I just don’t need to hear him taking thinly veiled shots at his own players or read about him ordering hits on unborn children for some crazy woman

    Just do your job

  • iYankees

    To be devil’s advocate for a moment, why do we always end up defending Brian Cashman? Can’t he ever just be 1) wrong or 2) right? In this instance, maybe he was just wrong–at least in the immediate-term. If the situation had played out differently, he would be receiving praise instead of scorn, so it’s difficult to speculate on this one.

    • JohnnyC

      Because some Yankees fans have an irrational and emotional attachment to Brian Cashman as a veritable genius (the ninja meme is the silliest example). Objectively, he is a good but certainly not revolutionary baseball executive who, albeit during a long-ass tenure at his job, has made as many miscalculations as sweet deals (if not actually more). Frankly, I’ve always felt he was more interested in keeping his job than staying true to a particular vision. Fine, we all need to feed our families. But let’s not try to shape every mis-step as some calculated ninja move. Sometimes, perhaps even too often, he makes mistakes.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        What “miscalculation” has he made that outweighed the Swisher deal?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Probably more a tally on his end than qualitatively weighing each deal.

          It’s all subjective analysis.

          • Cool Lester Smooth

            Fair enough. I think Cashman’s greatest strength is that he doesn’t make big mistakes. He’ll make small miscues on occasion, but those are more than outweighed by stuff like the Swisher steal; at least IMO.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              It’s amazing that people just take for granted that being GM of the New York Yankees is an incredibly difficult position and that Dombrowski and whoever else don’t have to deal the Yankeeness of it all that Cashman’s had to for as long as he has.

              It’s easy to see the muscle Dombrowski’s had to flex twice-over now. There’d be a lot more to answer to if he worked here.

              There’s some big reinventing that needs to be done right now. Maybe he’s up for the task, but I think most likely he’s bumped up and someone else is in there by 2015 at the latest. I’m perfectly fine with that.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’m not even sure anyone can objectively identify “right” and “wrong” here in order to even begin to have this conversation.

  • roadrider

    Chances we never hear of Corey Black again: probably better than 50%.

    Chances that Soriano provides more value in the second half of 2013 than Corey Black does in his entire career: even higher.

  • Eddard

    Cashman tried to wipe his hands clean of the Soriano deal because he thought it would fail. Now that Soriano has been a huge upgrade the backtracking has begun. I think Cashman needs to go. It’s his fault they’re not going to make the postseason, even with a $230 million payroll and a 2nd WC.

    He didn’t do damn thing when Hafner, Wells and Overbay kept failing. It wasn’t until Hal stepped in and demanded we get Soriano that the club started winning again. Unfortunately, it was too little too late.

    • Kosmo

      sorry but I disagree. It is very difficult nay almost impossible to swing a trade mid-June especially for a desired player without gross overpay. Not Cashman´s fault. NY failed in the offseason to make solid moves.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        …it’s Eddard.

      • JohnnyC

        So who failed in the offseason? I know, I know. Randy Levine. Naturally.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          Hm? Are you familiar with the number 189?

          That shit wasn’t Cashman’s idea.

          • Dean Travers

            189 mil for 4th place and weak minor league system

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              …what?

        • BFDeal

          Kosmo didn’t remotely suggest that, but I guess you simply have an ax to grind.

  • JohnnyC

    Personally I agree with A-Rod. This is the pink elephant in the room. Seriously, we have no idea what the true dynamics of Cashman’s relationship to ownership are. Except to blame Randy Levine of course. I’d wait for Brian’s tell-all book, ghost-written by Mark Feinsand.

    • Mike HC

      Cashman must have signed some sort of confidentiality agreement preventing him from airing all the dirty laundry. I’m sure he will be able to take about players, managers and some other back room stuff, but I’m skeptical he will be free to talk about the owners. Not to mention it seems he will be with the organization for a long time, or still in MLB. That book might be 40 years off.

  • jsbrendog

    i wish and hope cashman writes a book once he is retired and long gone. unless something cataclysmic happens though i doubt it will be that interesting since he wont want to air any laundry in a torre-esque way.

    although i would really enjoy something similar to Bischoff’s Controversy Creates Cash, which was awesome and didnt really shit on anyone toooo much.

  • bigweiner

    Cashman has egg on his face for this season. So when he didn’t think Soriano was a good deal he tried to distance himself from it. Now he looks even worse. Would not be surprised if he gets canned at the end of year.

    • I’m a looser baby so why don’t you kill me?

      Preposterous.

    • BFDeal

      Whatever you have to tell yourself.

  • RogerRepoz1963

    Another pathetic, delusional “In Cashman We Trust.” Great. He sounds smart so he IS smart. BRILLIANT!

    Look – what exactly has Cashman done since his ascension to the throne in 1998? The championship teams through the early 2000′s were built by Watson / Michael. Since then – 1 world championship in 2009, largely due to the first player Cashman publicly proclaimed he didn’t want – A-Roid (like they make it out of the playoffs without him?)

    He then shockingly declated he wanted nothing to do with Rafael Soriano – which – despite Cashman’s protestations – proved to be a brilliant acquisition.

    Then we had his own version of ‘Roid Rage – hurling the eff bomb because A-Roid had the temerity to declare his excitement in being offered the chance to return to playing baseball. OMG, how DARE he?!??!?!!!

    Now this – Black was an unacceptable loss.

    I just don’t get the Cashman worship. What in the world has he done? Produced a farm system that cannot offer any help, continually acquired players he knew needed TJ surgery when drafted them?

    Presided over the Joba rules which destroyed a rookie phenom?!?! Took a healthy young pitcher and sent him off to TJ surgery??

    Time was when The Boss excluded Cashman from the winter meetings for running his mouth publicly. So is his predilection for inappropriate declarations in the press any part of a surprise?

    That most Yankee fans continue to recite the brainless mantra that he’s been a great GM, is one of the more puzzling phenomena I can remember. Right up there with “What WAS Luis Polonia doing in that hotel room after the girl’s father told him she was under age?!??!”

    • I’m a looser baby so why don’t you kill me?

      Lulz.

    • Kosmo

      I think you mean roger repoz1965, no ? The problem is a systemic one and should not to be placed squarely on Cashman´s shoulders. FWIW I´m not a fan of Cashman. I do believe the org. needs some housecleaning.

    • gc

      You’re a dimwit. No, Cashman is no infallible genius. But for every fan who thinks he is, there are TWENTY ignoramuses just like you whose world is so black and white that it tells them that ALL the good things that have happened under his watch are due to *someone else*, and that ALL the bad things are squarely (and ONLY) on his shoulders. It is so far from reality as to be ridiculous.

      • RogerRepoz1963

        OK gc – “ALL the good things that have happened under his watch” – and what are those exactly? Division titles? making the playoffs every year? AL titles?

        The Yankee mantra – going back to the 1920′s has always been there’s 1 winner and (insert # of teams here) losers every season. Anything short of a World Series championship is a losing season. The BOSS himself championed that. This is what makes the Yankee brand special, set apart from everything else.

        The 27 World Championships. Not the “We make the playoffs every year.” If that’s what you want – go root for the Braves.

        “ALL good things” 1 world championship – delivered on the back of A-Rod (there’s that guy again) and Hidkei Matsui (immediately excised the following season by the Genius GM)

        From the moment Cashman passed on a young Carlos Beltran, with a publicly declared lifelong dream of wearing the pinstripes, declining a 19 million dollar discount, and sending him to the Mets, I knew we were in trouble…

        But hey – we have “ALL good things!”

        • gc

          Thanks for proving my point. DIMWIT.

          • RogerRepoz1963

            Ah yes, such an economy with words. I await your next syllable with great eagerness.

    • BFDeal

      Another pathetic, delusional “Cashman caused my cereal to be soggy this morning” commenter.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        And here I thought it was my leaving it on the table for too long without eating.

        Cashman failed.

      • Dick M

        DCA’s (Delusional Cashman Apologists) out in force.

        • Pat D

          Was that supposed to be clever?

          • Dick M

            Well you gotta admit, it’s up there with Cashman failed.

        • BFDeal

          No, I just happen to understand logic, unlike yourself. If this were the 1600s, you’d be the first one lighting a match in Salem.

    • JGYank

      Are you kidding? You wanted Cashman accept one of the worst contracts in sports? You wanted him to overpay a setup man (that pitches 60 innings a year) who happened to do a good job replacing our usually healthy hall of fame closer and get us a pick. And you are saying losing Black, who most of us didn’t even know before the trade and will probably not make it to MLB, was an “unacceptable loss”. Not to mention the fact that Cashman clearly wanted to keep him. He has his flaws, sure, such as the farm system, pitching development and the Arod and stalker stuff but come on.

  • Preston

    I was ecstatic we acquired Soriano, but I miss Corey Black in DOTF. Guys who throw 100 mph are few and far between (and although everybody seems ready to call him a reliever he is still taking the ball every fifth day).

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Wayne probably misses him more.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        i HOPE…he does not lower hiS aRm slot and hurt himself why does cashmen allways do this and hurt our yung pithcing jst like jose ramirez if dave duncan was our gm he would be pitchingi n the majors now because he wouldnt have ben sent to aaa too early

        • Robinson Tilapia

          SIMON DE LA ROSA!!!!!!!!

  • BFDeal

    Another commenter living in their own little world.

    • BFDeal

      Reply meant for DesperateForaCompetentGM above.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        More like the same commenter under the 50th variant of a “I Hate Cashman” screen name.

  • ialien

    no question cashman’s comment was a CYA. but he said it before soriano broke out & now that makes cashman look bad.

    but its important to understand cashman is the guy whose job is on the line for what players are on the field. & its obvious he does not have complete control of those decisions & therefore his job & reputation are effected by things out of his control.

    cashman may be looking bad cause soriano caught fire. but in the bigger picture, when the yankee farm remains depleted in the name of short term trades that did not lead to the playoffs, his hedge will help him find a new job.

  • neaks

    great post Mike, really interesting thoughts!

    Alternative explanation: he wanted to kick Soriano’s competitive gears into overdrive by dissing him, so he’d be all revved up and eager to prove somebody wrong

    (highly unlikely i know, but while we’re speculating…)

  • Joe

    Yankees bring in older guys, because Hank cares a lot about revenue that Yankees “names” bring from the past. Hank figures if he doesn’t have guys like Soriano or A Rod or Jeter or Pettitte or Rivera he knows he’ll lose a ton of money. I mean when guys like A Rod and Jeter were out the ticket sales dropped immensely even with the Yankees sporting a winning record. Well I wonder what Hank is going to do in 5 years when all these guys are over 40 and they are either retired or very very close to retiring. Hank isn’t going to have the luxury of relying on names from the 90s and early 2000s anymore. Sooner or later you have to market younger stars from your system and sell to people that this is going to be our next generation. I mean unless this team is going to give out more 5 year contracts to big names over 30 in free agency into the future, you don’t have the luxury of bringing in name value in free agency. Obviously they also bring in older guys, because they feel they’ll lose playing with younger players, I don’t really agree with that if you got an equal mix of youth and experience, but that’s what Hank believes.

    • gc

      You realize Hank isn’t the man in charge, right? No, of course you don’t. You’re dumb. Resume your moronic rant.

  • Batsman

    Cashman was in negotiations for Soriano. Cashman knows Theo and was trying to find another way to get Soriano without giving up Black.

    According to Andrew Marchand, Cashman said:

    “I didn’t want to give up [Single-A pitcher] Corey Black, but I didn’t nix the Soriano deal,” Cashman told ESPNNewYork.com on Sunday. “I did not want to do Corey Black. We had been negotiating with the Cubs for a long time. They wanted something more a week earlier and ownership, obviously, in our discussions [felt] we needed to do something.

    “They were like, ‘Hey, we are not going to wait anymore to negotiate, we have to get this done now.’”

    • mike

      Gheez – thanks Brian – we didn’t need soriano that week sooner…glad you held out while the Yanks were in a tailspin and coudlnt hit their way out of a barn

      • BFDeal

        Good lord. You honestly think an extra week of Soriano was going to be the difference maker? Get back in touch with reality.

  • Batsman

    Ya know what’s funny? If Corey Black ends up becoming somebody or is used by the Cubs to get someone really good, Cashman is gonna get blamed. That’s because Yankee fans can be really stupid and ignorant most of the time.

    • Mikhel

      nah, because in this case, Alfonso Soriano has contributed a lot and fans acknowledge that. It is different when a stupid trade is done to acquire somebody who was no good to begin with and still they saw fit to trade somebody who was younger and in some instances, somebody who plays the same position as the acquired player but the FO thinks is “too young” to be promoted to the big leagues (the Yanks usually promote their “prospects” when they are in their late 20s).

  • Giuseppe

    Cashman was too busy trading barbs with the Arod camp through the media to upgrade this team on his own.

    Let’s not lose focus here. The fact remains that Cashman has done absolutely nothing this year but signed aging vets off the trash heap. It’s time for him to be moved into another office.

  • Dick M

    I wanna know who gets credit for flushing 12 mill down the toilet on Youkilis.

  • Mickey rivers

    Really, another weak defense of king cashman. According to this website, cash is never wrong. I like cash personally, but when there is an arguably better team of ex yankees actively playing right now combined with 15 years of clearly wasted drafts, something has to give.

    • Mikhel

      Saint Brian Cashman for you.

    • Pat D

      Why did you change your handle, Mick taylor?

    • BFDeal

      Another weak idiot commenter.

  • Mikhel

    It has to be hard for Cashman to criticize the Soriano signing and then see how he helped the Yanks go to the post season when Mariano got hurt early in 2012.

    It has to be hard for Cashman to criticize the A. Soriano acquisition and then see how he has maintained the Yanks afloat for a good month.

    Then again, we are speaking of the same guy who acquired Javier Vázquez twice and traded his best prospect for a couple of pitchers, one of them with a long historial of injuries in the minor leagues, a good half season and a horrible almost-Hughesian second half for the Mariners and has ¿surprisingly? not contributed for the NYY.

    We could also argue he got burned in the AJax+Kennedy+Coke trade which sent only Granderson to the NYY.

    We could also argue his lack of activity in the waivers, but once sept 1st comes rolling we’ll be able to criticize him for that (it is not as if the NYY need a C, and replacements for SS/2B/3B/1B).

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      I guess someone technically could argue that he got burned in the Granderson.

      They’d be wrong, but they would be physically capable of arguing that.

      • Dick M

        The problem with the Granderson deal is that it’s symptomatic of our lack of patience with our prospects.

        Trading prospects and spending our way out of mistakes isn’t gonna cut it any more.

        The guys in the front offices in Tampa and Boston are developing young, major league ready talent. The reality is they are out-performing our front office guys.

        We are not used to competing on a relatively level playing field.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          Austin Jackson has only had one season in which he’s been as good offensively as Granderson was in his worst season with the Yanks.

          Kennedy had 2 good years in the NL West, and now he sucks.

          Phil Coke is Phil Coke.

          If I’m Cashman, I’d remake that trade tomorrow.

          • Dean Travers

            I’d rather have kept Jackson and traded Kennedy for Scherzer which is basically what Dombrowski did

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              You do not know what you are talking about.