Sabathia can’t protect lead as Yankees drop second straight to Rays

Game 129: Rebound
Prospect Injury Notes: Banuelos throwing BP, Austin close to game action

Source: FanGraphs

I’m out of town this weekend and am doing everything possible to avoid baseball, Yankees or otherwise. So I didn’t see any of Saturday night’s game and I’m glad I didn’t. Two runs wasn’t going to be enough against the high-powered Rays, but, yet again, CC Sabathia was a letdown and unable to preserve the lead. It would help if Joe Girardi stopped treating him like a true ace and had a quicker leash, but what can you do. The Rays have done a real nice job of humbling the Yankees these last two games after their five-game winning streak. has the box score and video highlights, FanGraphs some other stats, and ESPN the updated standings. The Athletics beat the Orioles, so the Yankees are five games back of the second wildcard spot in the loss column. Cool Standings gives them an 8.3% chance to make that postseason. They can’t really afford to lose games like this anymore; there are only 33 games left in the season. Ivan Nova will look to salvage the series on Sunday afternoon against certified Yankees killer Alex Cobb.

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Derek Jeter Update: As planned, Derek Jeter played another seven innings at shortstop for Triple-A Scranton on Saturday. He went 1-for-3 with a single to left, a ground out to short, and a ground out to second. The Cap’n made a throwing error on the only ball that came his way defensively. Jeter will take Sunday off and rejoin the Yankees on Monday for their series opener in Toronto.

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Minor League Update: The day’s box scores are right here. C Gary Sanchez homered, RHP Rafael DePaula walked seven (!) in 4.1 innings, and LHP Ian Clarkin allowed a homer in his second career outing. Not a whole lot happened otherwise.

Game 129: Rebound
Prospect Injury Notes: Banuelos throwing BP, Austin close to game action
  • trr

    TB’s had our number the last several seasons. Nothing to do but try and salvage 1 game tomorrow…

    • Kramerica Industries

      Just for the shits and giggles of kinda-sorta proving this.

      2008: 11-7 (6-3, 5-4)
      2009: 11-7 (6-3, 5-4)
      2010: 8-10 (4-5, 4-5)
      2011: 9-9 (6-3, 3-6)
      2012: 8-10 (6-3, 2-7)
      2013: 6-9 (3-4, 3-5)

      That’s 53-52 since 2008 (31-21, 22-31), but in the last four years, it’s 31-38 (19-15, 12-23). In fairness, that does include the final four meetings of 2011 which were about the most literal instance of “handing wins on a silver platter” as you can have in baseball (and four games we will never complain about given how those games hastened the great 2011 Red Sox collapse), but even if one were to eschew those marks, the numbers aren’t pretty. The Yankees haven’t won a season series from the Rays since 2009. They had their chance in 2010, with the season series knotted 8-8 and the final two meetings at Yankee Stadium, with the added bonus of having a 2.5 game lead in the AL East with a chance to make it 4.5 if they won the last two (winning at least one would’ve taken away the head-to-head tiebreak; don’t remember who had the divisional record tiebreak). Instead, they got bombed in a rain delayed game and then Sabathia had a memorable 6th inning implosion as the Yankees lost 10-3 in a game where they led 3-1.

      Ultimately, the Rays won the division by one game, although they would’ve won via tiebreaker anyway.

      Yeah, it’s not been pretty.

      • Matt DiBari

        Didn’t they basically admit to throwing the division in 2010 anyway?

        • Kramerica Industries

          Something like that, yeah.

          And, sure, they avoided Cliff Lee and a demonish first round matchup, but they ended up losing to Cliff Lee and the Rangers anyway.

  • Kramerica Industries

    On a selfish note, the worst part about these last two games is that, not only did Rivera not pitch, but it’s entirely possible that by the time I have any itch to return to Tropicana Field, I won’t be living in Tampa/St. Pete anymore. I hadn’t gone to a game since September 2010 – no, I’m not kidding. The Dan Johnson 2 HR/Jeter “HBP” game was the last time I had attended a game there. I realized then that attending these games was literally bad for my health. The only reason I went to these past two games was 1) the tickets were a gift, and 2) I could never forgive myself if I wasn’t there to see Mo’s last go around here.

    As it is, I have no idea how much longer I’ll be living in the area anyway, and it could be as soon as next season that I won’t exactly be living in a “Trop accessible” location. I won’t miss that damned stadium nor will I miss the irritating fans that can found in there, but it’s still weird to think about.

    Oh well. I’ve probably gotten all the Mo mileage I’m gonna get out of this series. The Rays already did their tribute, Mo already has done a thousand signature signings and picture takings. And, of course, I’ve already had all the reasons behind my Trop aversion come rushing back to me. Odds are I’ll just suffer in my lonesome tomorrow watching this team get swept.

    • ropeadope

      If you do attend tomorrow, hope you get a chance to see a classic Mariano save.

      Why leave Tampa? Admittedly, I haven’t been there for over thirty years. But the (brief) time I was in Tampa in the late 70’s, and the (even briefer) visit in the early 80’s were very enjoyable.

      • Kramerica Industries

        Just life in general.

        I’ve lived in Tampa for about 10-15 years now, and maybe it’s time to move on, maybe my life’s ventures take me elsewhere. One of my brothers lives in Orlando, and I’ve always had a great deal in common with him compared to my other two (obligatory sidenote where I bitch about being a fourth brother out of four). Wouldn’t mind being of regular correspondence with him in the near future.

        As much as I may bitch about it at times here, Tampa isn’t a horrible place to live. It’s certainly better than St. Petersburg. But it’s also not exactly a place I have ever considered being my lifelong residence. Orlando wouldn’t be either, I might point out. Florida isn’t really my thing, and the South isn’t really my thing. It’s just what I’ve had to settle for all these years.

        • ropeadope

          That’s cool, good to expose oneself to different locations, people, opportunities, etc. Best of luck, whichever way you go.

          Meant to add in the comment above, I stayed for three weeks at the Bay Harbor Inn in Tampa (owned by George Steinbrenner) in Jan ’79. Wonderful hotel (at the time), right on the beach. Good memories.

    • Betty Lizard

      Sorry you didn’t get Mo pitching, and sorry for your Tampa malaise.

      I took a long road trip to St Petersburg in May and I adore St Pete and am dreaming of a spring training visit.

      And of driving a Tiny House there some day.

      I do hope the Rays (whom I like even as viewing them as Prime Nemesis) get a new stadium, even if it’s in Tampa.

      • Kramerica Industries

        There’s actually some hope now that the iron-clad 2027 lease on Tropicana Field may be relieved a little bit.

        Thank God for that. The city of St. Pete trying to force the Rays to stay in that steel-trap depressing facility is just such a horrendous idea. That said, I’ve also always believed location has been a much bigger problem for the Rays; the Trop is surrounded largely by water; Pinellas County is, after all, a peninsula upon a peninsula, and Tropicana Field is in the very southern part of the county. I hope the Rays stay in the market and eventually can build a stadium in Tampa. I know the proposed stadium at the site of Al Lang Field a few years back looked nice, but it wouldn’t have solved the location problem at all. St. Pete is way too much of a retirement city. Tampa, not quite so much.

      • ropeadope
        • Betty Lizard


          My tastes run more cottage-y or contemporary. 250 sq ft max (which really isn’t tiny),

          • ropeadope

            That’s gorgeous, Betty. Beautiful home, and the surrounding area is breathtaking. I knew nothing of the tiny house concept until reading your initial post above. Will need to investigate further.

            • Betty Lizard

     also has a blog and has a diverse variety of small living structures.

              • ropeadope

                Thank you Betty, much appreciated.

  • Chris

    fece sabathia or cc shitbathia?

  • The Hot Pot

    CC Fatbastia

  • vicki

    sucked while it was happening because early-inning cc looked like he had this, but giving up three runs to one of the best offenses in baseball (and THEE best against lhp) doesn’t dismay me awfully.

  • nycsportzfan

    CC Sabathia is annoying. Its not just the fact he lost despite pitching solidly overall, its giving up the go ahead run so quickly after we got our 2-0 lead. He just knows how to take the life outta a team this yr.

  • Jacob the OG

    “It would help if Joe Girardi stopped treating him like a true ace and had a quicker leash”

    Obviously did not watch the game, 5 stellar innings and had one bad inning. This was not a bad start

    • WhittakerWalt

      Game ERA of 4.5 is a bad start.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

        Technically 4.26, which is essentially AL average for a starter (4.19).


        • WhittakerWalt

          He needs to be much better than this if we’re to have any chance.

  • nycsportzfan

    Gerritse had another solid outing. I like him as a sleeper pitchig prospect. 7k 0bb 1er in 6inn tonight for the ML Looking 6ft 4in 220lb former 12th rd pick outta HS. Oh yeah, hes given up zero hrs in 95innings so far this yr.

  • ialien

    look at the brite side. 15 more games vs teams under 500. obviously they will get 9 wins vs blue jays & astros. the chisox & giants should be more contested so assume 2 of 3 off them. thats 13 guaranteed wins. so really the yanks are 81 & 61 even if the scoreboard does not show it yet.

    • JMK

      All of what you just said is stupid.

  • Rolling Doughnut

    CC coughed up the lead but look at the “new” lineup. I haven’t run the numbers, but I bet guys like Reynolds (oh damn another K), Soriano (it was nice while it lasted), Granderson (well, you knew what you were getting so shut up), Arod (now you know I’m not juicing) are not exactly lighting it up. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. Kinda wish the Boss was here.

    • WhittakerWalt

      Because he would do what, exactly?

    • BigBlueAL

      Soriano and Granderson have been excellent offensively, both with OPS’s over .800. Arod has been struggling lately and providing little power, his SLG% is down to .385 but he is still getting on base.

      The offense is greatly improved with those 3 and adding Jeter should help alot too. Problem is you still have crap at Catcher, one of Ichiro/Wells always starting and 1B isnt exactly great either. But its still way better than the lineups they put out there before. If the Yankees had the current lineup since opening day they would be right there with Tampa and Boston fighting for 1st place.

    • Lukaszek

      Granderson has an OPS+ of 127. Soriano is 129 since coming over. A-Rod is 104. Reynolds is 89 in an extremely small sample size. This is by far better than anything we’ve had before. Not only that, but OPS+ of 125 or higher is pretty damn good. Soriano and Granderson really shouldn’t be getting the blame here, they won quite a few games for us with their clutch homeruns

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    If we lose tomorrow, we’re fucked.

    To put it eloquently.

  • Darren

    The Captain is back tomorrow! Think positive people! He’s re-starting the race to pass Rose! ;)

    I really don’t think you sweat these games. If the Yanks win the next 7 in a row, as I expect them to*, we’ll be fine.

    * think positive!!!

    • ropeadope

      I have them at 91-71 by (regular) season-end. Good enough (I hope) to sneak into the playoffs.

    • vicki

      keep it in your pants, darren. captain’s back monday.

      • Darren

        Hey, it’s after midnight now, he’s back tomorrow!!

  • Brandon

    Gary Sanchez played 3B?

    • ropeadope

      I’m guessing a (rare for this site) typo. Understandable, as the “C” key is located in close proximity to the “3” and “B” keys.

  • Get Phelps Up

    I was bored this evening, so here’s a nice full DoTF.

    AAA Scranton/WB: 4-5 loss to Pawtucket

    Derek Jeter, SS: 1-3
    Addison Maruszek, SS: 1-2 2RBI
    Dan Johnson 1B: 1-4, BB
    Ronnie Mustelier LF: 1-4, R, 2K
    Adonis Garcia CF: 0-3, BB
    JR Murphy C: 1-4, K
    Neil Medchill RF: 1-3, 2 RBI, R, BB, K

    Chris Bootcheck: 6.2 IP, 3H, 2/1 R/ER, 2BB, 3K
    Cesar Cabral: 0.1 IP, H, K
    David Herndon: 1 IP, 2H, R, 2BB, K

    AA Trenton: 2-4 Loss to Portland

    Mason Williams DH: 1-4, 2B, R
    Jose Pirela 2B: 1-4, RBI, K
    Gary Sanchez C: 1-4, HR, R, RBI, K
    Kyle Roller 1B: 1-3, BB
    Carmen Angelini SS: 2-4

    Bryan Mitchell: 6.1 IP, 6H, 2R, 2BB, 3K
    Zach Nuding: 1.2 IP, 2BB, 2K
    Pat Venditte: 0.1 IP, zeros

    Hi-A Tampa: 3-7 Loss to Daytona

    Rob Refsnyder 2B: 3-4, 2B, BB
    Peter O’Brien 3B: 0-4, HBP, 2K
    Cody Grice RF: 1-5
    Ali Castillo SS: 2-3, R, BB
    Jeff Farnham C: 1-2, 2BB
    Mikeson Oilberto LF: 1-4, R, HR, 3RBI, K

    Rafael De Paula: 4.1 IP, 3H, 3R, 6BB, 3K
    Zach Woods: 2 IP, 2H, 4K

    Lo-A Charleston: 8-2 win over Asheville – scored 8 runs in the top of the 9th inning

    Jake Cave CF: 2-4, 2B, R, BB
    Jackson Valera C: 2-5, R, 2RBI, K
    Greg Bird 1B: 2-4, 2B, R, BB (walk #97)
    Reymond Nunez DH: 2-3, 2B, R, RBI, 2BB
    Fu Lin Kuo 2B: 1-4, R, RBI, BB, 3K
    Daniel Aldrich LF: 2-5, 2R, HR, 3RBI, K

    Brett Girritse: 6 IP, 6H, 2/1 R/ER, 7K
    Tyler Webb: 3 IP, zeros, 6K

    SI Yanks: 2-4 Loss to Tri City

    Michael O’Neill CF: 1-4, RBI, BB, K
    Mike Ford 3B: 2-4, 2B, R, 2K
    Yeicok Calderon RF: 1-4, 3B, RBI, 2K
    Bubba Jones 1B: 1-3, R, K

    Giovanny Gallegos: 4 IP, 7H, 3R, K
    Dillon McNamara, 2 IP, zeros, BB, K

    GCL Yanks 1: 3-5 Loss to GCL Pirates

    Chris Breen LF: 0-3, R, BB
    Gosuke Katoh 2B: 0-4, K
    Renzo Martini 1B: 1-2, 2R, HR, 2RBI, 2BB, K
    Dustin Fowler RF: 2-4 3B, RBI, K
    Jordan Barnes CF and Jose Lopez C: 0-2, BB, K

    Ian Clarkin: 1.1 IP: 2H, 2R, BB, K
    Brady Lail: 4.2 IP: 4H, 2R, BB, 6K
    Eric Ruth: 1 IP, zeros, 2K

    GCL Yanks 2: 8-3 Win over GCL Tigers

    Brady Steiger 2B: 1-4, R
    Thairo Estrada SS 1-5, 2B, R, RBI, 2K
    Miguel Anduhar DH: 1-4, BB, 2K
    Nathan Mikolas LF: 2-4, HR, R, 2RBI, BB, K
    Kevin Cornelius 3B: 2-3 2R, 2BB
    Jose Javier 1B: 1-4, R, GR, 2RBI,K

    Felipe Gonzalez: 4 IP, 7H, 2R, 2BB, 5K
    Joaquin Acuna: 3 IP, H, K
    Kenedy Agramonte 1 IP, zeros, 2K
    Tim Giel 1 IP, 1/0 R/ER, BB, K

    • Get Phelps Up

      Oops. Should say 7BB for De Paula.

      *clamors for edit button*

      • ropeadope

        Great work!

        Gunning for Mike’s job? The site writers have an edit button (though often ignored) at their disposal, so don’t sweat it.

        • JMK

          Maybe you should start a website.

          • ropeadope

            I’m guessing this is directed to Get Phelps Up (and well deserved), but I did contribute to a popular blog for several years.

    • pat

      GPU FOR MVP!

    • forensic

      8 runs in the 9th inning? Now that’s what I call a blown save.

    • pinch hitter

      I was at the Charleston game. Bird looked great on O. One of the outs was a liner to the wall that the CF made a nice play on. He wasn’t too passive at the plate at all — swung at the first pitch on his other out, worked the count nicely and then swung and hit hard the other at bats except the walk, when the pitcher was on the ropes and couldn’t find the plate. His D though was awful — he turned an easy grounder into two bases. He also looked to me as if he has a lot of room to fill out too.

      Webb was great, maybe the most dominating relief performance I’ve ever seen in Charleston, a tough pitcher’s park. They couldn’t touch him, he was blowing his heater right past them and they were totally off balance against whatever the breaking pitch was.

      I was really rooting for Bichette but he looked really awful. He kept swinging way over stuff in the dirt, and on one pitch I swear he swung after the ball was already in the catcher’s glove. I had completely given up on him making any contact when he smoked one to deep CF, but straight toward the fielder. I guess that’s what they saw in him, but otherwise man he looked bad.

      • ropeadope

        Can’t beat “on the spot” reporting. Great job! Will appreciate additional posts if you attend future games.

      • Lukaszek

        Thanks bro, very helpful

  • whozat

    I’ve been in Houston the last two nights, watching the Astros annihilate the Jays. Seriously, the Jays have just looked outclassed at every level BY THE ASTROS. Bad pitching, bad defense, mediocre offense…the sweep was just a mediocre team beating up on a horrendous team. If the Yankees had managed to get the lineup back to respectability a month earlier than they did, they might have made the playoffs. At this point, it’s just too little too late. Unfortunate.

  • Kramerica Industries

    The fact is, I think everybody saw an implosion forth-coming when the 9-hole hitter, the sub-.200, LHB hitting Sam Fuld led off the 6th inning with a base hit.

    It turned the lineup over, and, more importantly, it put Sabathia in the stretch when he hadn’t thrown a pitch from the stretch since the 1st inning. He threw six straight pitches out of the zone after that, fell behind Zobrist 3-1, and then had to lay one in there that Zobrist pummeled. The ensuing hit from Longoria wasn’t shocking since Sabathia has always been horrendous against Longoria.

    All in all, just very disappointing because of the predictability of it.

    • forensic

      Last I heard on the radio was the 2-0 lead by the Yankees, came back and it was 3-2. There were two surprising things about it. The first was that it wasn’t a bigger deficit than 3-2 and the second was that it wasn’t the usual bad or terrible hitters in Escobar and Sean Rodriguez who typically do the damage against him.

      I think that about sums it up. As you said, very predictable.

      • Kramerica Industries

        Well, it was, in part due to the extremely horrific hitting Sam Fuld, but yeah. As I said in the game thread, the biggest problem with all of this is that it seems like the very rare times Sabathia even pitches well anymore, he falls apart in the 6th. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t having visions beforehand of that game in Baltimore in late June where the Yankees scraped their way to a 3-0 lead and it all came undone in the 6th inning.

        Isn’t it quite sad that there’s a proven pitcher with a long track record making over $20M this year, and we have zero confidence in him to pitch even six good innings or to hold on to a lead? And it’s entirely justified, which is probably the worst thing about it.

  • Pat D

    Imagine how great I felt when I left the movie theater and checked my phone to see the score 2-0 and CC having only allowed one hit.

    Then imagine how great I felt that during my car ride home he blew the lead and 5 minutes after I’d entered my house the Rays were winning.

    Translation: you can all blame me for this loss, if you so wish.

    • Darren

      I do, I will.

      (One hundred internet dollars if you know the quote without Googling.)

      • Pat D

        Sounds vaguely familiar, can’t place it.

      • ropeadope

        Seems a response to wedding vows? Do you take, will you take?

      • Hen

        Prince Hal

        • Darren

          Nice job Hen!
          Prince Hal and his old drinking buddy Falstaff are talking about Hal’s responsibilities now that’s he’s the King and Falstaff is incredulous that Hal is gonna leave Falstaff behind.

          Falstaf says, banish poor Jack Falstaff and banish all the world, to which Hal responds,
          “i do, I will.”

          Cold, man, cold.

  • BigBlueAL

    I really dont understand the hate people have for Sabathia. Im not even talking about just this season, Yankee fans have been calling him not an ace for the past couple of years and I just dont get it.

    His first 4 years as a Yankee to me is the best stretch any Yankee SP has had since Guidry was pitching for the Yankees. Do people realize how great he has been since joining the Yankees before this season?? Not to mention his great postseason in 2009 and amazing performance vs the Orioles in the ALDS last year.

    Ive actually been encouraged with the fact his velocity has improved lately. This is a lost season for him but I see no reason why he wont be able to bounce back and be a very good pitcher again next season.

    • JMK

      I don’t remember people bitching all that much about Sabathia in previous years. Regardless, he’s been indisputably terrible this year.

      Personally, I will always like CC. Hopefully this is a Mussina-like situation and he comes back with a vengeance in 2014.

    • Kramerica Industries

      I wonder how much a role his subpar 2010 and 2011 playoff campaigns, as well as his penchant for bombing against the Red Sox and Tigers and Rays in recent years has had to do with that perception. I mean, I don’t have game lines in front of me right now, but against the teams we tend to measure up as being the best in the AL, Sabathia has come up short against in recent years.

      Sabathia’s Game 4 performance against Detroit last year wouldn’t have seem so hideous if the Yankees offense hadn’t pigeon-holed the team into an 0-3 hole before it. The first three games were all eminently winnable; a 2-1 series lead and it wouldn’t have been as much of an outright disappointment.

      I’m not saying I agree with all of that perception, but there was some truth to it.

      • forensic

        I think it’s certainly played a role in it. I admit, it’s affected my opinion and view of him.

        • Kramerica Industries

          Yeah, I mean, I remember this topic coming up elsewhere (though it probably came up here too) back in 2011 when analyzing Sabathia’s line against prospective playoff opponents. His ERA against all of them was in excess of 4.5, I believe. The Rangers hit him hard, the Tigers hit him hard, the Red Sox certainly did. I think the Rays were the only team that didn’t clobber him (ironic as it sounds in today’s context), because I can recall him posting a CGSO, an 8 IP/2 ER performance, and a 7 IP/2 ER line against them that season. I don’t think Sabathia faced them the other times they met that year.

      • BigBlueAL

        In 2010 the Yankees won all 3 games Sabathia started in the postseason and he got the win in 2 of them. In 2011 the rain out of Game 1 completely messed him and the rotation up. All I remember from 2012 is how he was pretty damn amazing in the ALDS vs the Orioles not losing the final game in a sweep.

        His “bombing” against 3 specific teams didnt keep the Yankees from having the best record in the AL in 3 of his first 4 seasons here. His 900+ innings of excellent pitching in those seasons sure as hell had alot to do with the team’s success though. There is no truth to any stupid perception about CC not being an “ace” from 2009-2012.

        Again I just dont get it.

        • Kramerica Industries

          Just because they won doesn’t mean he pitched all that well (and you should know that). He was shaky as hell against the Twins and put the Yankees in a 3-0 hole; the offense bailed him out. He was shakier against the Rangers, threw a cement-mixer slider that Josh Hamilton drilled, put the Yankees in either a 4-0 or 5-0 hole (probably 4-0); again, the offense bailed him out. In the second game against the Rangers, he had a WHIP of 2 in that game; luck and (again) the offense bailed him out.

          Even though I remember the popular thinking on that horrendously-managed night of September 30, 2011 being that, despite giving up that Yankee Stadium special HR to Delmon Young, Sabathia looked locked in and was ready to twirl a gem, I think there’s way too much credence given to that. We all remember how A.J. Burnett could be showing off lethal stuff for a few innings and then just lose everything, right? Even with the best pitchers, one inning where their stuff isn’t up to snuff can derail the entire outing; Sabathia alone has proven that a couple times of late.

          No, the rain mis-management didn’t help at all, but it didn’t help Verlander either. Sabathia was given a 2-0 lead and was immediately in the business of giving it back. That’s a problem.

          Look, I’m not a C.C. hater. I tend to agree that his contributions and importance have been under-appreciated to a degree over the years. But his numbers since 2010-2011 or so are simply not that solid against the best teams in the AL; this really can’t be argued. The better teams will hit better than the crappier teams, of course, but getting drilled as often as he was isn’t exactly doing what the Yankees are paying him to do.

          • BigBlueAL

            The Yankees are not paying him to just do good against a few teams, they are paying him to do exactly what he did from 2009-2012 which was be one of the best pitchers in baseball period. Would you rather he pitch great against those teams you mentioned but finish with a 4 ERA overall?? I think the overall 900 innings of low 3 ERA and boatload of wins he accumulated in those years was well worth the money he was paid.

            This year is certainly another story though lol.

        • forensic

          Well, 6 innings and 4 runs (3 earned) against Minnesota isn’t exactly something to write home about. Then he got smacked around by Texas (the Yankees smacking around their bullpen to win is not due to CC’s help at all) and then held Texas to 2 runs in 6 innings (though he still allowed 11 hits).

          Mediocre games happen, even to ‘aces’, but these aren’t exactly the games (2011 too) that you want to use to try to support him pitching well in the postseason (like he did in 2009 and 2012, and like he didn’t in his appearances prior to NY).

          • BigBlueAL

            My point was saying he pitched poorly in those years in the postseason as if that cost the Yankees those series is nitpicking. He wasnt great in 2010 but again the Yankees won all 3 of his starts and he pitched decent and long enough in 2 of them to get the win himself. But fans are supposed to be pissed about those starts??

            Do you know how many awful postseason starts Pettitte and Clemens had?? A bunch. Even Cone had a couple of stinkers. Using mediocre starts in the postseason in games the team actually won as negatives against Sabathia is not fair when he has had a bunch of great starts too. Those mediocre starts the Yankees still won werent Kenny Rogers starts in the 1996 postseason. He deserves the same benefit of the doubt as guys like Pettitte and Clemens have from fans that to me he certainly doesnt get. I understand that his salary has alot to do with it.

  • forensic

    So, neither team in this D-Backs-Phillies game feels like scoring anymore, apparently, as it’s now heading into the 16th inning.. The D-Backs in particular have been terrible, with 16 hits and 13 walks but just 7 runs, and none since the 6th inning.

    • forensic

      18th inning now, more than 6.5 hours of baseball…

      • Kramerica Industries

        I’m gonna have to turn this game on, aren’t I?


        • forensic

          I’m just listening to the Phillies radio broadcast, and their announcers just sound annoyed that they’ve actually had to sit through this whole thing. It’s actually kind of entertaining.

      • Wheels

        Thanks for the heads up, wow.

        • Wheels

          And bam, the D-Backs score.

          • forensic

            Guess that’s what happens when you have a position player pitch after all this time. The weird thing is that Sandberg had Cliff Lee warming up, and then decided to use Wells instead. If you’re going to Wells, why warm up Lee?

            • Wheels

              Maybe he was saving Lee as an absolute last resort if the game were to go to the 19th, and beyond.

              • dkidd

                crazy game

                two diamondback hitters had FIVE walks

  • Wheels

    This series has been a serious drag. Sucks

  • Patrick

    Booooo for no recap. Have one of your stable of writers do it.

    This was a really exciting game (especially the scoring in the 5th and CC’s shutdown inning to follow it), but the sixth was an exercise in managerial frustration. Girardi was acting like he forgot he had one of the more reliable ‘pens in baseball, leaving CC on when he had clearly lost the strike zone. It’s all well and good that he righted he ship after giving up 3 runs, but these are must-win games. He should’ve been yanked when it was 1st and 2nd and no one out in the sixth.

  • Joe

    The problem with this team offensively when they struggle they don’t know how to compensate for lack of homeruns in games such as this. It’s as simple as this keep the Yanks in the ballpark and they won’t score or at very least they won’t do anything significant offensively. I mean bases loaded 1 out in the 5th, they have to come out of that inning scoring more than 2 runs, because you figure you’re not going to get many more opportunities to score in the game. Let’s be honest, the Yanks are not a good RISP hitting team, they’ll have stretches where they are very good but they are not as consistent as some of the other upper echelon teams like Detroit or St. Louis. It’s ok to hit homeruns, but to attempt to hit them at the expense of situations that only require you to hit a single to do the job explains why RISP has cost the Yank playoff series in recent years. To hit a 2 run single with the bases loaded is too difficult for this team to do against David Price, because they want only homers not singles.

    • BFDeal

      Yeah, because its easier to hit 3-4 consecutive singles off Price.


      • Joe

        Ok you tell me what’s easier to do down 1 run with bases loaded and 2 outs against a great pitcher, hit a homerun or get a single? This team doesn’t know how to take a single in that spot. And who said it takes 3-4 singles to score 3-4 runs. What about 2 walks, 2 doubles, and a sac fly? If it was easier to score a lot of run hitting homers against top pitchers, then how come we don’t see a lot of 3 run homers or grand slams? No one is saying the homer is not important, but if an offense is as good as they say they are they should be equally successful winning games with or without the homerun. A lot of times against a top pitcher you have to score runs without the benefit of the homerun being an integral part of the game. My point is this team is basically an automatic failure offensively if they don’t hit the homerun.

        • BFDeal

          The fact you say they “don’t know how to take a single” as if a single is so easy to get, undermines your entire argument.

          • Joe

            No it isn’t a homerun is more difficult to hit than a single. Everyone knows this. Don’t think hitters aren’t trying to hit a homerun every time men are on base. Hitters have even come out and admitted it. A single doesn’t require a hitter to hit the ball on the sweet part of the bat, a homerun does. It’s not that a single is too hard for hitters to get, it’s just that power hitters are too stubborn to choke up on the bat so they can shorten up deep in the count. Hitters don’t realize nothing is ever going to come easy or easier shall I say to them if they can’t adjust. I mean the fact that some hitters hit great with RISP and others don’t tells me those hitters that are great concentrate more on just being successful to do any damage with RISP where as other hitters only concentrate on hitting homers to drive in runs. Good pitches CAN be hit for a single, homeruns can’t.

            • BFDeal

              I agree…homeruns can’t be hit for singles.

  • Patrick

    1. Maddon > Girardi
    Rays scouts > Yankee scouts
    Rays owners > Yankee owners

    2. Yankees have to overtake one of Boston-TB-Oakland to make playoffs. No way they will catch either Boston or TB. So it comes down to passing Oakland for a playoff spot. Good luck with that–Oakland gets to feast on the dregs(Hou-LAA) of the AL west.

    • BFDeal

      Patrick the Rays fan > Patrick the Yankees fan

      • RetroRob

        Your premise is faulty. There is no such thing as a Rays fan. Just fans of other teams that visit the Trop when their team is in town.

  • RetroRob

    I’ll take the version of Sabathia that showed up last night. Had his best fastball and overall just about his best everything through the first five. Probably not shocking he weakened later, just as Pettitte was doing when he started to find his form again.

    Scoring two runs a game is not going to cut it, to state the obvious.