Sep
20

Mailbag: McCann, Rule 5 Draft, Ryan, Shortstops

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Five questions for you this week and they’re all good ones. Might be biased, but I this is a quality mailbag. Send us any questions or comments or whatever through the Submit A Tip box in the sidebar.

(Kevin C. Cox/Getty)

(Kevin C. Cox/Getty)

Many people asked: What about signing Brian McCann this offseason?

Not sure what sparked it, but we got a ton of McCann questions this week. I guess people are just sick of watching the team’s current catchers on a daily basis.

Anyway, the 29-year-old McCann is scheduled to become a free agent this winter for first time in his career. A right shoulder injury really hampered him last season (87 wRC+), but he’s rebounded very well from offseason surgery to produce a .258/.333/.472 (125 wRC+) line that is right in line with his career norms (117 wRC+). Surgery on the front shoulder is a scary thing for a hitter, but McCann has come back very well and hasn’t seen a slip in his performance. It’s encouraging if nothing else.

Elite catchers — if McCann isn’t considered elite, then he’s damn close — almost never hit the open market, so McCann will be one of the hottest commodities out there this winter. Yadier Molina signed a five-year, $75M extension last year and I think that’s the baseline for McCann. Yes, we’re comparing an extension to a free agent, but Molina is also the better player. I think 5/75 is in the ballpark at least. Seems reasonable enough to me.

Now, the problem with signing a soon-to-be 30-year-old catcher to a five-year contract is that you can’t expect him to catch full-time all five years. It could happen, but McCann would be the exception and not the rule. I think you have to go into the deal thinking he can catch full-time for the first two years, split the third year at catcher and first base, then split the fourth and fifth years at first base and DH. Maybe you get lucky and you get three years as a full-time catcher instead of two.

McCann makes a ton of sense for the Yankees for many reasons. First and foremost, he’s a massive upgrade over their current catchers. He’s better than all of them put together. Secondly, he’s a left-handed hitter who should see his production tick up with the move into Yankee Stadium. Third, he has plenty of experience with division and playoff races and all that stuff. And fourth, the timeframe works well. A young catcher like Austin Romine or J.R. Murphy could be broken in slowly these next few years a la late-1990s Jorge Posada, and if things break right down the line, Gary Sanchez will be able to step in right when McCann is turning into a pumpkin. He’s a great, great fit for New York.

Slade. (Presswire)

Slade. (Presswire)

Nick asks: Who is Rule 5 Draft eligible this offseason?

For all intents and purposes — there are some exceptions, players drafted particularly young or old — it’s high school players from the 2009 draft and college players from the 2010 draft this year. International players who signed at 18 or younger prior to 2008 or signed at 19 or older prior to 2009 are eligible as well. It’s always tough to pin down the international guys because we usually don’t know the exact date they signed.

The Yankees already took care of one piece of Rule 5 Draft business by adding Murphy to the 40-man roster this month. He would have been eligible this year and obviously would have been protected. As best I can tell, the following players are also Rule 5 Draft eligible this winter: CF Slade Heathcott, RHP Shane Greene, RHP Bryan Mitchell, RHP Tommy Kahnle, RHP Danny Burawa, RHP Chase Whitley, and RHP Zach Nuding. That appears to be it among the legitimate prospects. Sanchez has at least one and possibly two more years to go before becoming eligible..

Heathcott is obviously going to be protected since he is one of the team’s top prospects. Greene, Kahnle, Burawa, and Whitley are all damn near MLB ready and would be prime Rule 5 Draft bait. All four would get picked if left unprotected. The Yankees floated Kahnle’s name in trade talks before the deadline (for both Alfonso Soriano and Michael Young), which leads me to believe they are leaning against not protecting him. They were trying to get something before losing him for nothing. Greene had the best year of those four and is the only one with a realistic chance of starting.

Mitchell has a great arm but it’s hard to believe he could stick on a 25-man roster all of next season. He’s someone who would get a look in Spring Training and be offered back, more than likely. Nuding too. That said, Jose Ramirez was in the same boat last year and he wound up being protected. The Yankees have been rather aggressive when it comes to protecting Rule 5 Draft guys in recent years — I feel like almost losing Ivan Nova to the Padres in 2008 scared them into protecting everyone — so I wouldn’t be surprised if they added Heathcott, Greene, Burawa, Whitley, and Mitchell to the 40-man this winter. Greene, Burawa, and Whitley would be up-and-down bullpen options as soon as next summer, if nothing else.

Kevin asks: As bad as the farm system was this year, doesn’t it seem just as likely next year could be a bounceback season? Say two of Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, and Heathcott bounce back, Sanchez stays steady, and Greg Bird and Rafael DePaula continue to progress, can’t you see next year we’re talking about a Top 10 system? This stuff seems to considerably vary year-to-year.

Definitely. This was a bad year for the farm system but there is a lot of potential room for improvement. Literally every team has those “if this guy bounces back, if that guy stays healthy, etc.” prospects, but the Yankees have more than most. They’re adding what amounts to five first round talents into the system as well: 3B Eric Jagielo, OF Aaron Judge, LHP Ian Clarkin, RHP Ty Hensley, and LHP Manny Banuelos. The first three were this summer’s first rounders and will be playing in their first full pro season while Hensley (2012 first rounder) and Banuelos (2012 top prospect) will be returning from injury. Full years from SS Abi Avelino and RHP Luis Severino will help as well. A lot would have to break right — it all won’t, some of these guys will inevitably disappoint — but the farm system has a chance to take a major, major step forward in 2014.

Huff. (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)

Huff. (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)

Paul asks: When does Joe Girardi have to announce a starter for a game? Is he able to use his Phil Hughes/David Huff tandem to somehow get the opposing manager to start his lefty-heavy lineup while starting Huff instead of Hughes?

The rulebook says that the starting pitcher becomes official when the lineup cards are exchanged at home plate before the start of the game. At that point the listed starter must face at least one batter before he can be replaced like every other pitcher. So, if they wanted the other team to start their lefty-mashing lineup against Hughes and replace him with Huff, they would have to wait at least one batter.

That said, this isn’t all that practical because Huff will need some time to warm up and the other club would see him getting ready in the bullpen beforehand. There’s also a gamesmanship aspect to this. I don’t think something like this would go over well around the game. If Hughes were to get hurt? Sure. But otherwise … eh.

Justin asks: Two part Brendan Ryan question. Recently, the YES announcers have quoted Kevin Long saying he could “fix” Ryan’s swing. A) Do you think that he can bring him to respectability of maybe a .260 hitter? B) Is he a better 2014 option over Jhonny Peralta or Stephen Drew?

Long is just a hitting coach, not a miracle worker. Ryan has never been an adequate hitter — career .252/.303/.341 hitter … in Triple-A — and it’s hard to think Long could do anything that would suddenly transform him from a .238/.300/.321 career big league hitter into say, a .260/.320/.350 guy for even one year. It could happen, baseball is weird like that, but I don’t think there’s enough starting material here for that to happen.

As for 2014, I think Ryan would be my last resort at shortstop. Well, second to last ahead of Eduardo Nunez. (Sorry Eddie, I’m over you.) I prefer Drew — a slick defender and a Yankee Stadium-friendly lefty hitter — over Peralta by quite a bit among free agent options, but both guys would be real nice fits next year. Drew could play short while Peralta takes over at third for the presumably suspended Alex Rodriguez. I do think — and this is completely baseless, by the way, just a guess — the Yankees want to avoid Biogenesis/PED guys going forward though, so Peralta might be a non-option. Ryan’s been a nice little late-season pickup but I absolutely do not want that guy penciled in as the number one shortstop come Opening Day.

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  1. Eddard says:

    We need a regime change, it’s just that simple. It worked for the Sox. New GM, new manager, winning ballclub. I think both Cashman and Girardi should be fired. We do need an upgrade at catcher, SS, 3B, RF, possibly 2B if they don’t sign Robbie. Best thing to do is bring in a new GM and manager and build with the kids through the farm system.

    • Nick says:

      We do need to fill those holes but its not all cashman and what makes you think the Yankees can build through the farm if they haven’t been able to add any pieces internally outside the bullpen?

    • Joey says:

      I think Girardi has done a great job! He’s gotten a lot out of the very little this roster had to offer. Who could’ve done better? And who could’ve handled the A-Rod situation better? I’m all for resigning Girardi and his binder! :)

    • qwerty says:

      A regime has been in order for many years now. People kept on having faith with Brian Cashman because he likes to throw money at a short term problem without finding a long term solution, and when one of his scrap heap projects works out everyone choruses what a genius his is. I think those same people now see where this brand of baseball “strategy” has done to this team.

      • BFDeal says:

        You just have all the answers.

        • Rolling Doughnut says:

          Dumb comment. qwerty may be wrong but you haven’t bothered to refute his arguments. Maybe you just have none of the answers.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            That’s worth refuting?

            Let me answer that for you as you would answer it for others: No, it’s not even worth refuting. I wouldn’t even bother acknowledging it, much less try to argue against it.

            Now go act all big and mighty, as if you’re smarter than everyone else, then accuse others of doing the same, jackass.

            • Rolling Doughnut says:

              Well OK. But 1). You do not know how I would answer it. I certainly would not answer for anyone else but myself. 2). How are you so sure it’s not worth refuting? Maybe you think you’re smarter than everyone else? 3) I never said I was smarter than anyone else. Like I said, I don’t know anyone here. 4). A person who doesn’t agree with you a is not necessarily a troll or an asshole-

          • BFDeal says:

            This coming from the feces guy? Fuck you.

            • Rolling Doughnut says:

              It would be Feces since it’s a proper noun, right Einstein?

              • BFDeal says:

                Not when using it as an adjective.

                • Rolling Doughnut says:

                  Any proper noun is capitalized whether or not it is used as another part of speech. I’m in a New York state of mind. But I accept the moniker was stupid and although I didn’t trot it out as often as some of you seem to imply, I only meant it as a joke. Obviously, CC has been the guy for the last several years, except for this one.

            • Rolling Doughnut says:

              For fuck’s sake, with all the memes and monikers slung around here, feces is tame. CC’s having a bad year and I made up a silly nick.

    • Bay of the Puigs says:

      I’m all for giving Cash the boot, but Girardi won me back over this season. He was too passive for my liking in previous years, but the man showed some fire this year and managed to bring a pretty awful team pretty close to the playoffs. Can’t be too displeased with him if management isn’t giving him the “resources” to compete.

      We all know it isn’t Cashman alone as his hands are tied due to getting under the luxury tax, but he has not done well with what he has been given. Throwing ludicrous amounts of money at 35-40 year olds who either can’t stay healthy or produce anymore isn’t doing it.

    • D$1184 says:

      I have to laugh at the notion of replacing the GM and the manager in the course of one off-season being referred to as “simple”. Really, one team does it, goes from worst-to-first for one season (in which, a fair amount of credit has to go to the players they brought in, namely, Mike Napoli, Jonny Gomes, Shane Victorino and having a healthy John Lackey back looking like he did when he was with the Angels, not just to the new manager and GM) and all of a sudden, that’s what they HAVE to do? Do you have any idea how many times the Pirates changed GMs and managers during their 20 years of losing? A ton. And they weren’t just pulling guys off the street, saying, “Hey, let’s give this guy a chance! Congrats, you’re our new manager!” They did extensive searches and background checks like all teams do. The thing is, there’s only so much a manager and/or a GM can do if the player talent pool is remarkably shallow like it was in Pittsburgh for many years and like it is right now.

      The Steinbrenner family seems to like Joe Girardi in the job and when you consider the 56 different players he’s had to manage this year, the lack of talent of the replacement players that have been brought in to replace stars (seems like 90% guys other teams threw away–Reid Brignac? Luis Cruz? Hell, they got lucky Mark Reynolds hasn’t gone on one of his patented lost streaks at the plate), the late season rush of injuries to the most trusted bullpen guys (here, you go, face Boston without your 6th, 7th or 8th inning guys available. Enjoy!) and the inconsistency of the starting rotation (at most, 2 members of the pitching staff, Kuroda and Nova, were pitching well at the same time), it’s a MIRACLE that this team is even mathematically in a race for a play-off spot with about a dozen games left to play. Fact of the matter is, Girardi got more than he probably should have been able to out of this crew.

      Cashman? Ehh. It’s harder to evaluate the job he’s done. For one thing, he’s played the “ownership over-rode my opinion card” a lot. In some cases he seems right (giving Ichiro 2 years–uhhh), in some cases he seems wrong (not wanting to acquire Alfonso Soriano when he’s dirt cheap next year. Hell, if nothing else, he kept this team alive for a little while. If he sucks next year, oh well. Doesn’t take away from what he accomplished these past two months) and in some cases, it seems kinda in-between (signing Rafael Soriano to a 3 year deal with 2 opt-outs, the latter of which he exercised. Cost the Yankees their first round pick in one draft but gave them one when he opted out and left in a latter draft. Was a non-factor his first season but then came up huge the next when Mo tore his ACL). Definitely, the people who have been in charge of the draft the past couple of seasons haven’t helped–Cito Culver and Dante Bichette, Jr. don’t look like they’re on their way to the Bronx any time soon. But could someone else have swung a deal at the trade deadline in Cashman’s stead this year? That’s impossible to know.

    • Wolfgang's Fault says:

      You could just as easily see a new “regime” come in and set the ballclub back years. If you get replacement people in without a real clue about what strengths are actually in the farm system, people more intent on making their reputations then doing what’s best for the club, you could have a disaster that will take years to undue. Be careful what you ask for . . .

  2. Nick says:

    If not Peralta at third then who? We can’t really play Reynolds at third and Adams doesn’t look like a starter

    • Kosmo says:

      Peralta will probably come cheaper than Drew. Peralta 3 year 24 million ? Drew 3 year 30 million. If NY signs Drew, Peralta and McCann that would be about 1/2 of the expendable budget. With the 30 million leftover NY needs 2 SP possibly a RP and a DH.

    • Bay of the Puigs says:

      Word is David Freese will be available this winter. I personally like that idea.

  3. Kosmo says:

    McCann makes some sense. 5/75 seems realistic maybe a slight overpay. The catching timeline is a little off. Sanchez could be in NY as early as 2015 which would be the 2nd year of McCann´s contract. If NY did sign McCann then one of Romine/Murphy could be dealt.
    It seems to me NY is dealing with a 60 million expendable budget for 2014 if Cano re-signs and Arod is suspended. How is that money to be allocated ? The Yanks need to fill 4-5 positions 3B,SS,C,DH,RF. Yanks could plug Almonte into RF and hope for the best. Most of the decent FA will want 3-5 year deals so don´t exepct NY to get well on Hafner type contracts. NY also needs at least 2 SP. Please don´t tell me Nova,Phelps and Pineda fill the bill. Keep in mind if Arod returns for any part of 2014 and his remaining contract the expendable 60 mil will deflate considerably.

    • forensic says:

      They already have four veteran (i.e. experienced, in Girardi’s eyes) OFers under contract for next year. I’d actually be pretty surprised (though pleasantly surprised depending on who it is) if they signed any OFer of consequence this offseason. That was part of my issue with the Soriano deal.

      • Kosmo says:

        Yes this is true. NY could go with Soriano, Gardner and Almonte with Ichiro as the 4th OF. Releasing Wells would be easy since the money NY owes him for 2014 isn´t very much. For that matter releasing both Ichiro AND Wells has a special ring to it.

        • forensic says:

          It’d be cool if they did release Wells, and maybe even Ichiro (I know, it’s sad, I still kind of like him, though he’s pretty bad right now), but I don’t see that happening this offseason.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting & Defense & Baserunning says:

        Not enamored with the idea of 3 sub-.300 OBP OF’s on the roster next year?

    • qwerty says:

      They can always trade Sanchez for a lefty specialist. This is what Cashman is good at.

  4. forensic says:

    McCann concerns me for some reason. He had more injuries issues starting the season and he’s turned into even more of a platoon hitter in recent years. Maybe that’s a built-in reason to rest him, but maybe it’s also easy pickins for opposing managers. I’d be really concerned about a deal that long for him.

    I sure hope they don’t go nuts and protect all those guys again. The 40-man already has some dead weight, and we’ve seen some of the issues that can cause this season.

    What else is Long gonna say? “He’s just a horrible hitter, I’m not even going to talk to him because it’s just a complete waste of my time.” I would consider Ryan as a Nix replacement (actually, I might prefer him because at least you know he’ll play well on one side of the ball), but I want nothing to do with him as a starter. Unfortunately, with the age and injuries of their IFers, he’d be bound to be the starter at some point.

    Well, second to last ahead of Eduardo Nunez. (Sorry Eddie, I’m over you.)

    When were you… under him?

  5. Greedy Bastards says:

    “could be broken in slowly these next few years a la late-1990s Jorge Posada”

    Why do people continue to use this example as the way to bring in young catchers? It was a terrible use of Jorge back then.

    1. Jorge was hardly young – 24 in 1996 – and by the time he got a legit shot he was on his third full year of AAA. He ended up playing in >300 AAA games with a .256/.358/.435 line.

    2. Meanwhile, Joe Girardi averaged 0.4 bWAR during his four years in pinstripes. 1996 was the peak at 1.1 bWAR. By 1997 he was replacement level and Jorge was still on the bench.

    3. In the 1997 ALDS, when Torre gave Jorge all of two ABs, Girardi put up a .321 OPS. The Yankees lost the last two games by one run each. That year Jorge had an OPS 120 points higher than Girardi.

    4. 1997-1999 represented Jorge’s early peak (ages 25-27). Yet, his first full season wasn’t until 2000, and with Girardi gone, he broke out for a .287/.417/.527. The OBP was higher than the SLG that Girardi ever gave the Yankees.

    5. Before anyone claims “Defense!”, Jorge was a slightly above average defender all through his age 34 season.

    The Yankees hardly did something right there, just because the outcome favored Jorge. They stumbled into a great catcher and the use of Girardi was more of the same veteran complex they always tend towards. Even has Posada gave them every indication he’d break out, the first three years of his MLB career, they held him back even though his states and experience suggested he’d be fine.

    • Kosmo says:

      Thurman Munson was handed the starting catchers job at the ripe old age of 23.

      • Greedy Bastards says:

        Jorge was ready then too. At age 23 was on his second full year of AAA putting up a .255/.350/.435 line. Granted he skipped AA, but he was clearly ready looking back. Girardi should have been the backup all along, not the starter.

      • Wolfgang's Fault says:

        & he was ready, too!

    • Need Pitching & Hitting & Defense & Baserunning says:

      “5. Before anyone claims “Defense!”, Jorge was a slightly above average defender all through his age 34 season”

      Based on?
      My recollection of Jorge was that he was always well below average defensively overall.

      As for the overall development path, easing a catcher in isn’t necessarily a bad idea. Doing it in favor of more playing time for a C as bad overall as Girardi was is a bad idea.
      McCann >>>>> Girardi

      • Greedy Bastards says:

        dWAR + fangraphs, + even Total Zone.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting & Defense & Baserunning says:

          dWAR isn’t just defense. It includes positional adjustment.
          The fielding component of that just used Total Zone through 2003 and then switched to DRS.
          His total rField (Total Zone until the switch to DRS) through his age 34 season was -18. (Not that catching metrics are all that accurate, especially that long ago and using Total Zone)

          • Greedy Bastards says:

            “It includes positional adjustment.”

            That’s the point.

            As for TZ, it was up and down every year of his early prime. I see a total of -1 through 2006. That’s average.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting & Defense & Baserunning says:

              That’s not the point.

              The point is to compare him defensively to other catchers, where he rated well below average.

              As for Total Zone, it was supplanted by DRS (for B-Ref) and other methods on fangraphs by 2003. They didn’t do that because they considered Total Zone more accurate.

              Regardless, his Total Zone as a Catcher through 2006 was -3. After a plus 10 over 2005-06 (after a cumulative -13 before that). At best you could say he was good for those 2 years after being mostly bad the rest of his career.

              And this is all based on very flawed metrics anyways.

  6. Caballo Sin Nombre says:

    I don’t understand why more people are not intrigued by Cito Culver. He switched from switch-hitting to exclusively right-handed, and of course there was an adjustment period. But by the end of the year, he was functionally the best prospect in the system, combining both defense and offense. Regardless of the “small sample size” argument, 62 at bats is enough to confirm he is no longer a no-hit prospect, at least at the A+ level.

  7. We’re not actually expecting the Yankees to make a run at McCann, right? Despite the obvious fit, it seems like a pipe-dream at best, with the shitty means by which this organization is running itself these days.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Why?

      We act as if the 189 plan is set in stone. There are still a lot of decisions to be made before Spring Training begins. There’s also potential savings from Alex’s contract.

      I’m not saying throw a barrel of money at McCann (not recommended to throw a barrel of money at anyone, really, as it could cause injury), but I don’t think we should dismiss the possibility that the Yanks could pursue FAs other than Robbie this off-season.

      Honestly, the first decision that should be should be to just pay the damn luxury tax, but that’s just me, and I’ve got about three dollars in my pocket right now. What’s the luxury tax on that?

    • Bay of the Puigs says:

      They’ll probably just give a few $12 million contracts to a bunch of guys nearing their 40′s instead of finding long term talented fixes and call it a day. At least that’s how management has been trying to run things.

      • BFDeal says:

        Or they gave those $12 million short term contracts so they wouldn’t be more loaded down and could make a run at someone like a McCann. Not saying it’s going to happen, but it’s just as plausible as your theory.

    • Wolfgang's Fault says:

      We all get that McAnn is a quality hitter & he’s a catcher, but considering that the entire pitching staff, starters & relievers, needs to be rebuilt & could take a few years to do, & considering an area they really can save money is behind the plate where they already have not one but two quality catching prospects with a third one on the way in a year to two (not to mention assorted cost controlled veterans they could place back there if needed), wouldn’t it be wiser to allocate resources to improve the pitching, left-side of the infield, 1B, & the outfield, while also looking to get higher upside talent into their farm system? Signing McCann this off-season won’t cure nearly enough to rebuild this team into a contending team. Patiently developing the pieces you do have & acquiring others w/upside, over time, will.

  8. Joey says:

    McCann’s 125 wRC+ does look nice but can he frame a pitch like Stewart can? I think not. Stewarts framing abilities for MVP! :-)

  9. Vern Sneaker says:

    Yes, McCann. Then Ryan makes all the sense in the world — he’s a really excellent shortstop and his bat would be relatively unimportant if we upgrade to McCann and re-sign Cano. And why not Jeter at third? Enough already with the icon shortstop, just tell him what the team needs, and it’s not him at short.

    Which leaves pitching. I don’t think there’s much we’ll be able to do about the outfield given the budget constraints). Pitching is the biggest problem for next year among many problems, but that’s a whiole other subject.

    • Greedy Bastards says:

      Every bat is important. You get 27 outs per most games. Giving away 10-15% on one player is a bad mistake.

      Jeter barely had the arm strength and range for SS *in his prime*, 3B is not an answer. He’s a DH only if they are smart.

      But we know they are not smart.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting & Defense & Baserunning says:

        He’s a platoon DH primarily if they are smart.
        He doesn’t hit RHP well enough (and hasn’t for years) to DH against them.

  10. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Can I just answer “yes” on everything Mike said here?

    I wonder how the comment on the farm system got read through the troll filter.

  11. YankeeTX says:

    I’d love to have Drew but the Jeter situation makes it tricky. I don’t believe in letting a player’s pride or stubbornness hurt the team, but he is Derek Jeter. It’s a PR thing and it sucks but it is there. ….. However, if Cano’s demands get ridiculous or if a team like the Dodger’s decides that he is the “missing piece”, I would be in favor of trying to sign Drew under the pretense to play second and letting Ryan back-up Jeter. While thinking all along the real plan would be that we know Jeter will probably miss time due to injury or rest. Then we slide Drew to SS.

    If Jeter rebounds and has a decent or good enough year to have him for 2015 that’s not bad for us. (I prefer that scenario actually.) If he agrees to a position switch …. then we have Drew. If he spends a lot of 2014 injured or not playing well and decides to retire … we have Drew. Not sure who would man 2nd in that situation but ….

  12. Joyce Schuld says:

    Brendan Ryan hit .289 and .292 in 609 at bats in two of his seasons in St. Louis so the YES announcers are right that he has some history of success to look back to. They said that Hill was having Ryan review video from his St. Louis days. Ryan became completely screwed up when McGuire tired to “rebuild” his batting stance over the summer of ’09 in an attempt to turn him into a power hitter rather than leave him as a hard line drive hitter. The Cards sent Ryan to train individually and intensively with Mark McGuire because they thought he had real potential as a hitter. Too bad it ended up being a disaster. Even so, there was a huge fan rebellion in St. Louis when Ryan was traded to the Mariners. Writers interested in stats were the most upset. But everyday fans loved Ryan too (as did the fans in Seattle) so it was a general uproar.

    • Joyce Schuld says:

      So, Mike, how is that Long would have to be a “miracle worker” to turn Ryan into a .260/.320/.350 hitter “even for one year” when Ryan has already hit above that consistently for two years with the Cards? Ryan’s full numbers were 289/.347/.406 and .292/.340/.400 for 609 at bats for those two years. Ryan’s average was .248 with Seattle in 2011 so is it that much of a reach to improve to a .260 average? OK, you don’t like Ryan. But don’t use minor league numbers to make exaggerated claims (“even for one year”) that easily can be undermined by his major league numbers.

      • forensic says:

        Two seasons totaling 600 AB’s (out of over 2600 in his career) doesn’t count as consistent, especially when you’re even ignoring one season in between those. Plus, a lot can happen in the 4 seasons since those. Hell, look at half or 2/3rd’s of the guys who have played for the Yankees this year and look at what they may have done 4 seasons ago vs. what they can do now. Even if you limit it to guys in his age and general talent range, it shows that what they did prior in a fraction of their career PA’s doesn’t really mean a ton at this point.

        • Joyce Schuld says:

          I guess in Ryan’s case, Long disagrees with you. He said Ryan’s St. Louis performance shows talent that he believes can be tapped. After reviewing those tapes with Ryan, he said that coaches (after that time) have cumulatively tweaked with and messed up Ryan’s stance.

          My main point stands even if you disagree with that. The “even for one year” statement, bolstered by minor league numbers, should not have been used when it was falsifiable with major league numbers. And it makes it sound like the YES announces and Long are looking at nothing in Ryan’s past major league performance when they are looking at something in his stats.

          In any case, the runs Ryan saves and the defensive plays he makes are truly impressive. That’s why even when his batting average dropped, there was such an uproar in St. Louis when he was traded.

  13. yankeeTX says:

    Petite …. that was expected.

  14. mt says:

    Yankees have SO much to do this offseason and with major issues not anywhere in their control (when will arbitrator actually rule on Arod suspension, Cano once a free agent can take his sweet time to decide). Therefor I hope Jeter does not add to the problem and muck things up by SS playing time demands (“I will only be a starting SS”) – that will turn the off-season into a bigger nightmare than I am expecting.

    At least, I don’t think there is any possibility of Jeter renegotiating his contract – after basically being out all year, if he became indignant and turned down his $9.5 million option I would let him go elsewhere (hard to stomach but if Joe Montana can play elsewhere than his original team, anyone can.)

    (My thoughts are that his insistence on making Opening day after surgery in October 2012 was a mistake for a 38 year old shortstop and led to some of the initial re-injuries he had.)

    We need a player who is above average defensively at SS on this club that can be a starter if need arises (I don’t like Ryans’ ineffective bat but at least he can start defensively at SS for 140 games as long as we make offensive upgrades elsewhere – I don’t think Nunez can with his still shaky defense.)

    I did not realize that Ryan at least has had some success in major leagues earlier in his carrer as a hitter – maybe he can be a “mini-Swisher-type” rebound at plate for Yanks?

    • mt says:

      As for Drew and/or Ryan, Drew is better of course but I just think Drew, being a SS for a division (and who knows what else?) winning team will have other offers where he can avoid the messiness of the “Jeter overhang” issue – Ryan may have less options elsewhere and may take the Jeter issue in stride.

      (Also there are rumblings that Red Sox may give Drew (and Saltalamacchia, for that matter) a one year QO which will really make other teams hesitate in signing him.)

  15. cranky says:

    I like the idea of getting both Peralta and Drew. The latter has had a fairly good season, but not a great one, so he’s probably signable for a reasonable salary. And the former has had a little trouble which has probably cost him a bit in the contract department. They’d both be “good gets” and would solidify the IF.
    As for McCann, he’d be a terrific acquisition. But I’d say “no.” Get Dioner Navarro, instead. Guy’s quietly had a terrific season. He’s always been a ML catcher, and, as he’s hit for good average before, his BA this year isn’t a fluke. But look at the power. With Sanchez due to arrive in 2015, Navarro would be the perfect acquisition. Team him with Murphy in 2014 and the Yanks would be in hog-heaven at C.

    Pitching is a problem. Kuroda has either worn down or has lost what he had. He’s been pretty bad, lately.
    Righting the good ship CC is important. Getting Masahiro Tanaka would be great. And I liked what I saw from Vidal Nuno, frankly. I think he’s better than Phelps, even though he can’t break glass with his fastball (neither could John Tudor or Mark Buerhle or the older Tom Glavine). A rotation of CC/Tanaka/Pineda/Nuno/Nova could be killer.

    2014 might stink for the Yankees. But stinking isn’t inevitable.

    • YankeeTX says:

      Tanaka would be a good way to sign someone who won’t be a big salary cap hit. A great way to add talent and stay under 189m. Getting under is a really smart business move. If the pitchers were more solid or there were a ton of FA pitchers next year, or if the rotation wasn’t so full of holes, I would say find a stop gap, but he seems like a good gamble. At least they should put forth a lot of effort to get him.

      If they make a great offer (or the posting system gets changed) and they lose out it will be hard to be upset. If its a marginal, non-serious offer it is a sign that they have been deceitful about the 189m goal, and the real goal is to pinch pennies.

  16. andy says:

    Your crazy! Kahnle Rule 5!!! Maybe they offered him in the trades earlier this season,cause he’s the only one anyone would be willing to take!!! Ya think!!!He should be in pen next year after the rest of the Primadonnas stunk it up so bad this Year!!! You should think about what you write in your articles first!!! You obviously have no clue!!!

    • Travis L. says:

      Chill. He was taking a stab at what MAY happen. Hell, bet you guys didnt know that Jose Campos (unless I’m mistaken) is also Rule V eligible and would be protected. I know the Yankees cant protect everybody and it was probably the outlier, but Scottie Allen had a nice year just ahead of his Rule V eligibility.

      Anyway, just relax. This is his opinion and last I checked he does a hell of a job for all of us readers to explain and give decent analysis of the team.

  17. Cuso says:

    Does anyone think that even if we were to add McCann & Drew (who bothe come with their share of injury concerns) that the 2014 team looks to be and above-.500 team?

    Personally, I don’t think McCann or Drew impact next year’s outlook all that much for good OR for bad. I see a shallow pitching staff and old injury-prone players all over the field.

    Adding McCann and Drew (unlikely we’d get both anyways) does not a 95-win team make.

  18. King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:

    Sign a shortstop as quickly as possible, so DJ knows what his situation will be…

  19. Travis L. says:

    Anyway we fleece the Mariners in trading Iwakuma to us?

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