Nov
19

Tuesday Night Open Thread

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I remember thinking that Jose Vizcaino was like, the greatest utility infielder in baseball history when I was younger. For whatever reason I always remembered him getting base hits and coming off the bench to have big games and stuff like that. That wasn’t really the case though. Vizcaino hit .276/.319/.333 (67 OPS+) during his one half-season with the Yankees — was it really only half-season? it felt like more — though he did manage a .358/.408/.418 line with men on base. Going 4-for-6 with a walk-off single in Game One of the Subway Series was, by far, his biggest moment in pinstripes and maybe the biggest moment of his 18-year (!) career.

Anyway, here’s the nightly open thread. The Rangers, Islanders, and Knicks are all playing, plus there’s college hoops on somewhere. Talk about any and all of those games as well as anything else on your mind right here. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Anthony

    Peter Gammons tweet:

    pgammo: Beltran friend:”All the other teams are setting things up for the Yankees”

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I found the report that the Yankees aren’t waiting for Cano in order to sign other players interesting.

      I guess my real question is whether they’re waiting for Alex before jumping in but, again, what reporters are throwing out there just doesn’t sound to me like a team planning on exercising frugality here.

      Time will tell and, honestly, I can’t wait to know either way just what the hell they’re doing.

      • Eselquetodolosabe

        I don’t think Cano’s situation will come down to budgets, 189′s or whathaveyou. I think common sense will finally take precedent. These 7,8,9,10 year deals invariably wind up being bad investments. For some illogical reason, I look at these negotiations as if it were my money, and I tell you, 10 years/310 makes me cringe(not that it was ever a realistic number). Moreover for a 31 year old second baseman (albeit the best in baseball), who’s never been considered a leader, moreover, singled out as lacking hustle and giving at bats away. Is he supremely talented ? Undoubtedly. Would I recommend anything past 7 years @ AAV 23mm ? Definitely not. And curiously enough, I feel most Yankees fans agree.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Just ignore the 300 million. It’s not happening.

          7 @25 would be where I’d go, but I could be negotiated very slightly up there. It is what it is.

          He’s never needed to be a leader in a clubhouse full of leaders. I don’t look for him to be a leader. I look for him to do what he does on the field.

          • forensic

            He’s never needed to be a leader in a clubhouse full of leaders.

            But many/all of those other leaders will be retiring or gone in the next few years. If Cano is given a massive contract, he should be one of the guys to step up and replace them.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Purely talking out my ass here (“what else is new?” Says half the forum), but I’d say we’ve got strong leaders in guys like CC and Tex for a few years, even after Jeter retires. Can Robbie be a leader? I honestly don’t see why age and maturity moving forward wouldn’t get him there.

              Even if he’s never team captain, that’s not why I’d pay him anyway.

          • forensic

            I also just saw your first post on the Hughes thread. :-)

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I was looking forward to one last go-around there.

              • forensic

                I think I’ve beaten that dead horse enough times.

                Just need to pick someone new now…

  • Proven

    What was the need to give Brendan Ryan 2 mil., we can’t find someone for league minimum to be a defensive replacement.

    • Yeah Jeets!

      Ryan is no ordinary defender

      • forensic

        Over his career he certainly has been terrific. But, several of his defensive numbers took a bit of a hit last year. We’ll see if it’s a one year thing or the start of a downward trend. If he is again just a little above average defensively, then it’s not really worth keeping his ‘offense’ around.

        • Tom

          Meet the new Chris Stewart.

          He will make some dazzling plays, will carry the “defensive reputation” tag but I think his defense has already started to slip. I’ve said this a few times on here but for Ryan to have value he needs an elite glove, and as you say if he’s merely above average/good defensively he’s basically replacement fodder that generally gets passed from team to team when injuries occur and is not worth 2mil guaranteed.

          The advanced metrics for SS’s stabilize a lot faster than other positions and I think the rule of thumb is ~1.5 seasons(maybe as much as 2?); as opposed to the generalized 3 year rule. Normally I would tend to dismiss a 1 year sample, but both DRS and UZR agreed and he’s a SS on the wrong side of 30.

          • forensic

            Yup, I just hope he doesn’t play as much as Chris Stewart did this year.

          • MannyGeee

            In fairness, Ryan is not a centerpiece to a franchise. Hes just a piece. He is a WELL ABOVE AVERAGE defensive infielder who played very well in September for us. That money would have gone to Nix or Pronk or whoeverthefuck, and I would argue that Brenden Ryan is better than those two guys at this point, hands down.

            The signing of this dude for what amounts to LITERALLY no money (in baseball terms), for something you needed to go get anyway. I don’t see the problem.

  • Yeah Jeets!

    sign corey hart and then sign mark reynolds and then sign masahiro tanaka and then sign robinson cano and then sign jose molina and then sign david murphy and then sign jeff niemann and then sign eric o flaherty kthnxbye

    • Yeah Jeets!

      also sign one or two of these cuban homies that all defected

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’d absolutely take a flyer on Niemann.

      • Yeah Jeets!

        Why not right? He could be back of the rotation insurance in case we struggle in that regard. Probably could be had on a one year deal.

        CC, Tanaka, Nova, Phelps, Niemann, Warren seems like it could be a decent rotation.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Would not be a fan of that rotation at all. Everyone in that rotation would be a pretty serious question mark.

          I’d rather take the flyer on Niemann than on some of the big-name reclamation projects out there.

      • forensic

        Really small contract, maybe give it a shot, but he’s another guy coming off serious shoulder surgery and won’t even be ready for the early part of the season (from what I’ve seen). Not sure it’s even worth it.

  • Tom

    Josh Johnson signed with the Pads for 1yr/8mil (+1.25mil in incentives).

    Would have liked to have gotten him on a low base/incentives (though not sure if incentive deals matter with plan 189), but the 8mil guarantee was a bit surprising.

    Indians apparently are going to sign David Murphy on a 2 yr/10mil.

    • forensic

      And predictably, you can add Josh Johnson to the list of pitchers who have a bad year and immediately run for the big parks in most of the NL West.

      Guess Mike will be sad about David Murphy. IIRC, he wanted him as a sort of buy-low platoon guy in RF. I’m not sure two years, $10+ million is really buying that low, though.

    • MannyGeee

      And with this, there goes a potential Phil Hughes suitor.