Cotillo: Cubs claim Brett Marshall off waivers from Yankees

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Via Chris Cotillo: The Cubs have claimed right-hander Brett Marshall off waivers from the Yankees. Chicago has since announced the move. Marshall, 23, had been designated for assignment last week to clear a 40-man roster spot for Carlos Beltran. He had a disappointing 5.13 ERA (4.62 FIP) in 138.2 innings for Triple-A Scranton in 2013, though he did make his big league debut over the summer. I ranked him as the team’s 13th best prospect prior to the season but his stock has dropped.

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  • lightSABR

    Is this like the rule 5 draft, where there’s some chance we’ll get him back? Or is he just gone?

    • King George wasn’t cheap

      Kiss him goodbye.

    • vin

      Nope, he’s gone.

      Hopefully he gets a chance in their organization.

    • Tom

      He’s gone, but my guess is he becomes one of those guys that goes through waiver wire hell.

      If I had to guess, the Cubs will likely put him on waivers in a few days and try to pass him through so they can get him off the 40 man and keep him (like the Yankees just tried). He could be one of those guys that goes from team to team as folks try to sneak him through waivers.

  • King George wasn’t cheap

    Seems like another Zach McAllister – the Yanks got nothing for him too. He had a tough mL season before they shipped him out. Similar peripherals too to Marshall. Now he’d be the fourth starter in their 2014 rotation.

    That’s the problem – many other teams manage to turn borderline prospects into something more than that. The Yankees struggle to turn sure fire starters into borderline prospects.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      You got your dumbass analogy wrong……in several ways.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      But bro, they got Austin Kearns for McAllister.

      Kinda sucks, but if I remember right, I think he was out of options or something.

      • King George wasn’t cheap

        Kearns was a big nothing for them, literally 0 WAR

      • pat

        Kearns and Kerry Wood. It wasn’t officially a package deal, but they gave nothing for Wood so it makes more sense to look at them together.

        • King George wasn’t cheap

          They took on Wood’s salary. Big difference, especially since it wasn’t a package deal, i.e. they could have gotten Wood without giving up McAllister. They wanted Kearns. Heh.

    • mitch

      There’s less of a chance he’s the next McAllister than Phelps, Warren, and Nuno. That’s why he’s gone and they’re not.

      • King George wasn’t cheap

        No one thought McAllister was worth keeping. Meanwhile, the Indians have a league average pitcher under control for another two years.

        The Yankees? Kearns was gone after the end of the year. And then haven’t developed a starter since.

        That’s the problem with the current club – fans think the problems are new. The people paying attention have seen this coming for at least five years.

        • mitch

          I’ve seen it coming for at least 10 years. I guess i’ve been paying better attention than you.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I guess the real question is, if you and I saw this coming that long ago, WHY DIDN’T WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?!?!?!

            R-Tils and Mitch failed.

          • http://rab.com Michael Cutler

            You guys might need some looser tampons

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Bitch, please. People have seen issues with this team coming for more than five years.

          There’s also a case you can make that putting David Phelps, Adam Warren, Vidal Nuno, etc., in the Cleveland rotation, and not in the role of swingman, could give you something that looks a lot like Zach McAllister.

          In conclusion, if you like Zach McAllister so much, why don’t you marry him?

        • Nick

          The 40 man roster is overflowing. We’re at 42 right now. They have to get rid of someone…

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          Five years? Did you start paying attention in 2008? This was obvious in 2001.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Did no one else ever sit there, I don’t know, 10-15 years ago, do the math, realize the players we’ve been relying on for years were going to reach 40 in the middle of this decade, and say to themselves, “You know…..we might be struggling a little come the middle of the 2010’s?”

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              And then realize that we were in the midst of an amazing run with a fantastic core group of guys, and say, “You know, this is worth any suffering in the 2010’s”.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                Yup.

                And we were also, like, “that’s a long ass time from now. I’ll probably be old with a kid the…..”

                *sigh*

    • stuckey

      On this point most fans, the media and the Yankee organization have the same tact – there is just no room in the NYY Universe to develop a marginal back-of-the-rotation starter.

      Starters like that have to come out of the box a 4 or 5th starter. Developmental struggles/growing pains at the big-league level are not accepted.

      • King George wasn’t cheap

        Unless your name is Phil Hughes, in which case you are given years to suck donkey. Otherwise, yup. They’ll sign another middling arm for the rotation – see also, Ponson, Erickson, etc.

        • stuckey

          Ironically, you’ve just illustrated my point for me.

          What Phil Hughes has produced IS what a 4th and 5th starter is. On most teams, he’s 3.

          That you consider a career 4.50 ERA pitcher “suck donkey”-worthy is exactly WHY there is no room in the NNY Universe for guys like McCallister or Marshall (or Phelps for that matter).

          • Caballo Sin Nombre

            You are exactly right. Hughes had moments where he showed possibilities of becoming a #1 or 2. Pitchers you tease like that and disappoint are pretty typical in the #4/5 slot. Which is why he just signed elsewhere for a pretty fair salary.

          • qwerty

            You realize that Hughes is not developing rookie right? He’s been on this team for 7 seasons and has acquired a lifetime xfip of 4.43 from 2007 to 2013. At what point does patience runs out? Face it, he’s bottom of the barrel. Most of the pitchers who have posted higher xfips within the same time frame are virtually all out of baseball or have been banished to the bullpen as mop up guys. The starters who are similar to Hughes are lucky that they are still in baseball. He sucks donkey balls.

      • TWTR

        Even if you’re right on some level (and I don’t think you are because that’s pretty much the starters they have developed in recent years, e.g., Hughes, Phelps, and for long stretches, Nova), they are still valuable as long relievers and trade chips. DFAing Marshall when corpses are on the roster is ridiculous.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          I have to agree, but I’m not going to get upset when the discussion is Vernon Wells vs Brett Marshall.

          • TWTR

            It’s not that I am upset, as on said on the other thread it doesn’t affect my ratings of what I consider a good offseason to this point, but it does give me pause in the sense that one might think that they would be doing Wells a favor by giving him as much time as possible to find another job before rosters are set even further. So when you couple that with their own pitching issues, what’s going on?

            Obviously, we’ll see, but I think it’s reasonable to be a little perplexed by it.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              I think, as someone else said, they realize that there’s a list of guys who are going to be gone.

              Maybe it was a favor to Marshall, maybe it’s protection against one of our older OF’s getting hurt, who knows. I doubt it was done for no reason at all.

    • lightSABR

      The Yankees can’t turn borderline prospects into something more than that? Tell that to Ivan Nova, David Phelps, and Adam Warren. Heck, depending on what your definition of borderline is, tell that to Brett Gardner.

      You realize, right, that the Yankees can only keep 40 players on the 40-man roster? They didn’t let Marshall go because they thought he was worthless; they did it because they had other “borderline prospects” that they thought more likely to “turn into something.”

    • Laz

      He has yet to top 135 innings yet.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    That’s the chance you take. Young. Durable. Not a high ceiling, but potentially useful for a franchise lacking in starters who really just wants someone who can spell the bullpen.

    Best of luck to him. He wasn’t within striking distance of the top of the depth chart anyway.

  • Delbert Grady

    Glad we protected Vernon Wells’ 40 man roster spot for him.

    • Caballo Sin Nombre

      The Yankees probably are going to sign two more players, and then two more players will be dropped from the 40. Stuff is going to happen after the ARod and Tanaka situations clear up; unless they actually manage to grab Balfour.

  • TWTR

    Strange choice to DFA.

  • Karl Krawfid

    I confused him with Adam Warren when he first got DFA

  • dicka24

    Sucks to lose a decent 23 year old arm like this. Especially when it comes at the expense of keeping Vernon Wells. Ewww….

    I’ll never understand that Zach Mcallister deal. Ever. Austin Kearns was a bum then, and fringe rosterable player. McAllister was a former minor league pitcher of the year, and had performed rather well at every minor league level he’d previously pitched in. I know the knock was fly ball pitcher with marginal velocity, but a literal bag of balls, and used fungo bat, is all it should have taken to acquire a terrible Austin Kearns. That trade, while it won’t ever amount to Ruth to the Yankees, was a real head scratcher.

    • pat

      If you look at it as Kearns and Kerry Wood, who was very good for us down the stretch it makes it more palatable. Especially considering Wood would have brought draft pick compensation had we offered him arbitration.

      • King George wasn’t cheap

        The deal for Wood did not require McAllister. That’s you making up history.

        Dick –

        Exactly, in three years you and I will remember they kept Wells insted of Marshall, so dumb.

        And Kearns was a bum.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Those two deals are rather easy to confuse given that they happened within days of one another, and with the same team.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          They are going to need 2 more roster spots very soon – for Thornton and Roberts. Plus probably another move or 3 later on.
          It’s very possible they realized Marshall wasn’t likely to survive the offseason on the 40-man roster no matter what and thought now might be their best chance to slip him through waivers.
          It really has nothing to do with Vernon Wells.

          (unless Vernon Wells actually survives the whole offseason on the 40-man roster, in which case I’ll agree it was incredibly dumb. Although Marshall still very likely would have been a roster casualty anyways, even if they did cut Wells now)

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      They sold relatively low on McAllister at a point of some regression from him. I didn’t like the trade back then either.

      Still, though, I don’t necessarily think he’d be the solution right now, prospects doing well for other teams isn’t a bad thing at all, and you simply can’t keep every player with potential. Trades and DFAs are an unfortunate necessity.

    • qwerty

      Kearns was worth no more than a minor league reliever, if that. Cashman loves to give away his more talented prospects for bullpen and bench players.

    • Laz

      Hold on. Lets stop pretending that McAllister is an all star. He can’t even make it through the whole season. I honestly doubt that he is any better than Phelps.

  • dkidd

    the kearns deal didn’t work out, losing marshall might turn out to hurt, but the team you’re hating on has made the post-season in 18 of the last 20 seasons. they’re not the knicks

  • RetroRob

    Plenty of time to prepare for his 2038 Hall induction.

    Beyond that, this is a meaningless move. I certainly would have cut Wells before Marshall, but since Wells is going to be cut eventually it doesn’t matter much. Guys like Marshall are cut and picked up all the time by all teams.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      …..but what does this have to do with the real subject of this post, Zach McAllister?

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        Zeeeeeee Maaaaaac.

      • RetroRob

        I purposely sped by that portion of tonight’s presentation!

  • mitch

    Letting go of Marshall now just delays Wells’ forced retirement by a few days. Wells will be gone soon enough. The order just gave people an extra thing to complain about.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      I actually like this explanation the most.

      • RetroRob

        Yes, which is what I was alluding to above. I would have cut Wells before Marshall, but both Wells and Marshall are going anyway, so it doesn’t matter all that much.

        Yet the Yankees know all this, too, and there is a reason they cut Marshall before Wells knowing both are probably goners. Many teams have full 40-man rosters, so they probably figured there’s a better chance he might slip through now than if he was put on waivers at another time. They also are almost assuredly trying to move Ichiro, which will open up a roster slot and might mean Wells will stick around as the 5th OFer.

        There are always reasons for who hits the chopping block first.

        • Caballo Sin Nombre

          Wells has value to the roster construction in the unlikely, but still possible, event that the Yankees manage to stay under $189M. That’s why Marshall went first. If ARod doesn’t end up getting suspended for the full season, Wells gets the target on his back next day.

          • Deep Thoughts

            Wells also had a 1.000 fielding % at 3B last year.

  • Get Phelps Up (looking for a new name)

    A rather unceremonious career for the first Yankee born in the same decade as me.

  • FLYER

    While it should have been Wells but Marshall would have been gone next or in the following DFA…Yankees have a lot of similar arms on the 40 man and on the way up…maybe he should not have been taken off the 40 sooner to protect someone else but frankly not losing sleep over this

  • mitch

    It’s also worth noting that Marshall’s ZIPs projection over 130 innings is a 7.20 ERA and -3 WAR. They don’t exactly have him penciled in as the next Cy McAllister.

  • qwerty

    Always pick up or acquire whatever young minor league pitchers the yankees deem as expendable or garbage. These are typically the ones that succeed and thrive in the majors, while the ones they think highly of and end up trading for or keeping are usually duds.