Dec
21

Monday Night Open Thread

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Five years ago today, the Yankees agreed to an eight-year contract with Mark Teixeira. The signing came amid reports that Teixeira was close to a deal with the Red Sox, so close that an agreement was deemed imminent. The Yankees swooped right in and grabbed him. I remember thinking the initial report of the signing must have been a mistake — everything happened so fast that someone probably just made a typo and meant Red Sox instead of Yankees, right? — but nope. Just an unexpected Christmas gift. That day was a lot of fun.

Here is your open thread for the night. Falcons-49ers is the Monday Night Football Game plus all five hockey and basketball locals are in action. Lots to watch while you wrap presents. Talk about Teixeira, any or those games, or anything else right here. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Lukaszek

    As much flak as Teixeira got for being terribly unclutch, I felt that in 2012 he became a much more clutch hitter. I remember that dramatic two-run triple he hit into the triangle at Fenway off his arch nemesis Vicente Padilla. And then there was that game where he hit an eighth-inning game tying homerun off CJ Wilson in a very tight game.

    • Wolfgang’s Fault

      All that and for only $20+ million a year. Hey, he’s even been solid defensively, what a bargain. One of those times when it would have benefitted the Yankees to lose the bidding to the Bosox.

      • Guns

        It’s funny because Teixeira has been a very effective player over the last few years, even with his notable decline. But the contract combined with the expectations has him on the shit list. The Yankees only got one year of the “Mark Teixeira” they thought they were getting. Sucks he had to decline so quickly.

      • Lukaszek

        I don’t think 2009 would’ve happened without Tex

        • nycsportzfan

          I agree. His defense and offense were both off the charts. We were in the midst of dealing with Giambi’s decline and so so defense. In comes this switch hitting beast who hits over 300 with 30jacks and 100plus ribs. Ya, no WS without Tex in 2009, thats a fact.

          • dalelama

            No that is speculation….

            • The Great Gonzo

              Yeah, its speculation. But its a relatively fair statement to say that a team with Tex at 1B and Swisher in RF is much better than a team with Swisher at 1B and Melky Cabrera in RF. That is not speculation, its a fact.

              Apparently its only cool to speculate if its trolling or negativity. Thanks for the clarification.

      • Laz

        And who would they have got instead? If Yankees are running without a budget then who cares if he is overpaid, he is much better than what we had.

  • Betty Lizard

    I still like Mark Teixiera.
    And Mark Teixiera’s ass.

    At ropeadope’s urging, here is is a snippet of my Biogenesis version of “A visit from St Nicholas.”

    And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
    The prancing and pawing of each little hoof.
    As I drew in my head, and was turning around,
    To the press conference Bud Selig came with a bound.
    He was dressed in suspensions, from his head to his foot,
    And his clothes were all tarnished with cash and with soot;
    A bundle of players he had flung on his back,
    And he looked like a pedler just opening his pack.
    More rapid than eagles the dopers all came
    and he whistled and shouted and called them by name
    Now Cervelli! Now, Santos! On Cruz and Montero!
    On Peralta! On Cabrera! On Braun and Rodriguez!
    To the top of the porch! To the top of the wall!
    Now dash away! dash away! dash away all!”

    • I’m One

      Well done.

    • ropeadope

      You’ve nailed it yet again Betty! Apologies for being so late to the party, but I love your creative and perceptive rendition of A visit from St Nicholas. You are a true wordsmith. Is this really just a snippet? Are you working up a full version?

  • Jimmy

    That day I was looking all over the web for coverage on the signing and thus I first found RAB. Thanks once again guys for the great site, the first-rate content and especially to Mike for sticking with it the entire time.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Happy RABiversery….

  • Jack

    Say the arbitrator decides on the full penalty. Isn’t A-Rod’s next step to get an injunction which puts the whole thing up in the air again for an indefinite period of time that takes us until we bump up against the end of February at which point all the free agents will be gone?

    • stuckey

      Arod’s next step would be to TRY to get an injunction.

      Actually getting one is a whole other matter.

      Its just like he just has to fill out paperwork and he gets one.

      • stuckey

        NOT just like…

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      No, he can’t, and it’s also not like the Yankees couldn’t just decide they weren’t waiting on him.

  • Rocky

    Tex is a very popular Yankee because he produces BIG offensive numbers and is a superior defensive player. I grant you that. However, outside of his defense, his numbers are usually an illusion. I say that because he is a slow starter and is a streak hitter. I have suffered through many years of watching him warm up for the first half of the season and then have a great second half. When the end of the year comes, it seems like each game is really significant. But, how many games did Tex lose in the first half by striking out in key situations or failing to advance runners? Those games are every bit as important. As for the second half of the season numbers, I don’t know how many times I looked at the box scores and saw massive numbers in single games against certain pitchers and teams, and then saw him go 0-4 for the next few games. I would trade him in a minute for a really good defensive first baseman who could produce similar offensive numbers on a consistent basis as opposed to all at once. I am hoping that his getting in shape early next year because of his surgery, and the addition of Brian McCann to the lineup, will spur him to have the best season he has ever had with the Yankees. But hopes rarely become reality.

    • Guns

      “I don’t know how many times I looked at the box scores and saw massive numbers in single games against certain pitchers and teams, and then saw him go 0-4 for the next few games.”

      You just described every player in baseball.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        This.

        • BFDeal

          This.

    • dalelama

      I think you overrate his popularity especially amongst the knowledgeable.

      • The Great Gonzo

        I think you overrate your knowledge.

  • Nathan

    I still remember where I was when I first learned of Tex signing. It was my last day of work before my two week vacation and I was getting gas. I was already pretty psyched about CC & AJ and was pumping gas while reading MLBTR. Read the thing about Tex and let out a loud “WTF?!?!?!?” the guy behind me threw me a look.

    • Greg C

      Whenever I get gas, there is a sign that says it is not safe to read RAB while pumping gas. Glad you are OK.

  • TWTR

    I like the RH hitting Mark Teixeira. The LH hitting one, not so much.

    • I’m One

      I’m still hoping to like both again. Maybe he realizes he’s lost a bit of power and starts to spray the ball from the left side again. I’d take fewer homers (say 20 – 25) and a BA closer to .285 and be very happy with that.

  • vin

    That was a great day for me as well. Good times.

  • dars

    The Dodgers already had two closers (Brandon League and Kaley Jepsen) and they have signed Chris Perez, Brian Wilson and JP Howell… At least 4 of those guys have closed before..
    The Yankees don’t even have one bonafide closer and they are not jumping on Balfour…. The Dodgers are the new kings of baseball….

    • CashmanNinja

      All I’ve EVER seen you post is whiny crap where you bad mouth the Yankees while slobbering over other teams. If you don’t like the Yankees then quit coming here and quit supporting this team (not that you’ve really said anything supportive). If the Dodgers are the new “kings” of baseball then go be a bandwagon fan and hop over.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Is there such a thing as a bandwagon Dodger fan? Root for a team who…..spent more but hasn’t won anything?

    • stuckey

      Winning the postseason has really worked out well for the winners the last few years, hasn’t it?

      Rex Sox 3 years ago, Anaheim and Miami 2 years ago, Toronto and LA, and Anaheim (again) last year.

      Only the 92 win Dodgers sniffed any sort of success the following season

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      …and you’re the new most annoying commenter on here.

      • stuckey

        I don’t suppose the chronic whiners would appreciate me very much, no.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Wait….did you think I meant you? I was referring to dars.

    • FIPster Doofus

      “The Dodgers are the new kings of baseball….”

      Totally. With their 25-year title drought, how can they not be?

    • BFDeal

      I bet you listen to Mitch Williams on MLB and think “Wow, this dude is a great analyst!”.

    • Greg C

      Unless I just imagined it, Robertson has been one of best relievers in baseball over the last 3 seasons.

      Some of the guys you mentioned pretty much suck. Being a “closer” isn’t some magical thing that makes a below average relief pitcher great.

    • forensic

      Having closed before means absolutely nothing. Brandon League is terrible, Wilson has pitched less than 16 innings in the last two years (and wasn’t all that great in 2011 anyway), and Chris Perez is also nothing to write home about.

      Kyle Farnsworth has closed before. I guess the Yankees should go sign him.

    • The Great Gonzo

      All hail the Dodgers, the 2013 OFF SEASON CHAMPIONS! Eric Ortiz should be polishing off his article as we speak…

      A reminder of Mr. Ortiz’ other bodies of work:

      http://nesn.com/2011/01/2011-r.....e-history/

  • nsalem

    How old were you when the Dodgers were in their last WS? Weren’t the Toronto BJ’s the new kings of baseball last year?

  • CONservative governMENt

    Teixeira is a good guy, a hard worker and means well, but just like Sabathia the mega-contracts are hard to live up to and the overall sense is one of disappointment.

    Here’s hoping that Teixeira and C.C. can get one more ring with the Yankees to validate that magical off-season.

    • TWTR

      Three more years of Teix, three to four more years of CC. I think CC is far more likely to be really good again.

  • Dicka24

    Chris Perez at 1 year $2.3 million (with incentives) looks like something the Yankees should have maybe been in on. Not sure what the incentives are of course.

    • Farewell Mo

      Yep.

      Not sure what their strategy is but it seems to me the bullpen needs at least a couple of quality arms and they’re dwindling down.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        There are plenty of arms out there, and they’re not going to fill a bullpen with veteran signings. I could see them bringing in one more vet, then mixing in with the incumbents and whoever wins a job out of ST.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Chris Perez should not have been pursued for two reasons: He sucks out loud, and there are character issues. But mostly, he sucks. ALOT.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      Are we all talking about the same Chris Perez?

      Because no. Not even a little bit. Especially not in the 9th.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    I fucking love Mark Teixeira. The way he plays first base is a work of art. A victim of his own bad habits at the plate sometimes, but just a wonderful baseball player overall. I hope he shuts a hell of a lot of mouths up this year.

    Flags also fly forever. I’d give him that deal ten times over for 2009.

    • forensic

      When they signed him, he was immediately among my favorite players on the Yankees. Unfortunately, what he’s done since then has moved him squarely into my most frustrating player group.

    • dalelama

      Too bad he is a stubborn hammerhead who won’t hit the ball to the opposite field. This bum is toast.

      • The Great Gonzo

        Old habits die hard. Kinda like coming on Yankees blogs and being a complete dick.

      • pablos ham samwich

        Too bad he is a stubborn hammerhead shark who won’t hit the ball to the opposite field. This bum is toast.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Jon Miller in the broadcast booth, Tex in his prime, Melky, Swisher and Cano dancing like idiots in the dugout. Fun times.

    • forensic

      Not a fan of Miller. But yeah, the rest of that stuff was awesome.

    • dalelama

      Ohhh the days of clutch hitters like Damon and Matsui who carried us in the post season in 2009. To be left with choke masters like Aroid (other than 2009), Swisher, and Tex was sad.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        How quickly you forget your 2009 comments about Damon.

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    I like Tex. I was bullish on a bounce back last year for him and then the Bautista injury came in WBC.

    I’m bullish on him again, for no particular reason. I still he got screwed up in the end in 2012 by trying to change too much shit with the go the other way crap.

    Admittedly too bullish, but I believe .275/30/100 is possible. People are trying to impute A-Rod and Jeter deterioration into Tex. He’s still got a good year left, maybe two if he stays away from freak injuries.

    • camilo

      is it possible to stay away from freak injuries

      • ropeadope

        Not sure, but a good starting point would be to stay away from freaks.

  • whitey

    Chris perez=a hell no

    • nycsportzfan

      I woulden’t mind Chris Perez. I liked the idea of both Perez and Thornton early in the offseason. We got one. There are others i would not mind also. I honestly woulden’t mind bringing in Bruce Chen as another lefty outta the pen/ longman/ emergency starter. A Chen, Thornton, Kelley, Robertson, Claiborne, Warren bullpen is pretty nice if you ask me.

      • nycsportzfan

        Just realized he signed with Dodgers. Donnie Baseball will keep him in line.

        • forensic

          Just like he kept Puig in line?

      • The Great Gonzo

        I could get behind a deal for Chen as the 24th/25th man. As we learned in the recent past, having a solid swingman could pay dividends, so long as you’re not paying them $15M like Barry Zito was getting.

  • RetroRob

    I’m happy the Yankees signed Teixeia, and I hope they go back to their old ways and continue to sign to free agents while not worrying about baseball’s soft salary cap. The Yankees have allowed the rest of baseball to close the gap by not continuing to use their financial advantage. Hopefully the sons realize what the father always knew.

    • forensic

      I would say getting little to no production from the farm system and having older, declining players signed to those huge contracts from free agency contributed much more to allowing the rest of baseball to close the gap than them not using their financial advantage.

    • OldYanksFan

      “I hope they go back to their old ways and continue to sign to free agents…”

      Yup…. since Winning in 2009, they have really turned into cheap bastards.

      ?2013: $228,106,125
      ?2012: $209,792,900
      ?2011: $207,047,964
      ?2010: $213,359,389
      ?2009: $201,449,189

  • nycsportzfan

    Whats the deal with the Korean pitcher Suk-Min Yoon?? Is he being held up because of same posting issues as Tanaka?

    • forensic

      He’s a free agent, there’s no posting or anything with him.

      • nycsportzfan

        thanks.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Yeah, he was on MLBTR’s top 50 FAs, but I have not heard a peep on him. Like, nada. I’m guessing he will be the Igawa to Tanaka’s Dice K.

  • Delbert Grady

    Put me on the side of the fence that sees Teix as a poor signing and a major drain on the Yankees. He can’t crack .800 OPS against RHP in freaking Yankee Stadium. Rooting for him against RHP is like rooting for Timmy Lupus. He’s a platoon player. He should only play against LHP. He costs 23.5 million dollars. He’s not only declining, but breaking down physically; oh…and he plays an offensive position where we should put up Nintendo numbers. We won a title with him (and a healthy roided up Arod, Matsui, Damon, Jorge, Mo, etc), but this has been a bad signing. The Yankees aren’t getting close to what they paid for. He goes out this year and struggles and declines further, the Yankees will suffer. I don’t spark to him as a Yankee. Every year he struggles there’s an excuse. Whether is be a bad cough, the mean front office & media wanting him to stop pulling everything into the shift, etc. The fact is the Yankees bought a cleanup hitter and got a reverse Carlos Pena. Great glove and can only hit against one side. Whoopee. I’d take a Mark Reynolds or Jeff Baker (vs. LHP)/Overbay (vs. RHP) platoon over him right now for around 6 million total.

    • dalelama

      Thanks for summing up this bum truthfully and accurately, forgive the homers they know not what they do.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Automatically dismiss any commentary that contains an ‘LOLz’ or a ‘Whoopee’. Nothing to see here…

      Also, dismiss any incoherent ranting that dalelama signs off on.

      • Delbert Grady

        Why must it be dismissed? Because it doesn’t suit your narrative? He has not been the player the Yankees thought they were signing since 2009. The Yankees got 1 year of peak production for elite money. It’s a terrible signing. Not an okay signing. A bad one. I realize a lot of people think being a Yankee fan means you only sell soup when talking about the players, but there are a lot of long time Yankee fans who see the players as they are and don’t just look at the back of their baseball cards pretending that is the reality. I’m sure Teix is a sweetheart. But for 23.5 million I expect elite production for more than a year. If you owned the team and wrote him a check for 180+ million you’d feel the same. If he stays healthy and keeps up this decline the media & fans will turn on him. Especially, if Arod isnt’ there to kick around.

  • Kiko Jones

    I remember the game in the above clip vividly. That was the final game of the 2009 Boston Massacre. Right before the 4-game, Thu-Sun series started they’d been 0-8 that season against the Red Sux. And on Thurs night the Yankees finally got that monkey off their backs against John Smoltz in what turned out to be his disastrous farewell. (He got DFA’d the next day.) Joba was shaky but, thankfully, the Bombers showed up and promptly handed the Sux a loud 13-6 defeat.

    Friday night was the Duel of the Former Floridians: ex-Marlins Josh Beckett vs A.J. Burnett. And that turned out to be even better than anticipated. Both were indeed masterful for 7 and 7 2/3 scoreless innings, respectively, and set the stage for a thrilling 5 and a half hour contest that remained scoreless, until a 2-run shot from A-Rod with Jeter on base in the bottom of the 15th mercifully ended it all on a 2-0 score.

    Clay Buckholz did a respectable job, but Saturday afternoon’s game was all about The Big Man. CC Sabathia showed all of NY why he got paid the big bucks. Absolutely superb. Yankees 5-0.

    Then came Sunday night.

    The last time Yankee pitching had deigned to allow a run in that series—earned or otherwise—was in the 9th inning of Thursday’s series opener. Well, for 7 more innings Andy Pettite saw to it that the zeroes remained intact until then newly acquired Sux C/1B Victor Martinez crushed a 2-run bomb against Phil Coke in the 8th, ending the Sux’s drought of 31 consecutive scoreless innings.

    In the bottom of the 8th, losing 2-1—the lone Yankee run a blast from Friday night’s hero, A-Rod, in the 7th—the Comeback Kids got right back into the game thanks to back-to-back homers from Johnny Damon and Mark Teixeira—for the sixth time that season; a new Yankees record—and subsequently adding 2 more runs for a 5-2 victory and Mariano Rivera’s 32nd save of the year.

    Swish, Melky and Robbie dancing in the dugout…yeah.

    • forensic

      As an unabashed A-Rod fanboy and someone who still liked Burnett even after they had to trade him, I may never forget that game and A-Rod’s homer off Tazawa. Having it happen in an incredible series like that, and on my birthday weekend, just makes it even better.

  • Uh Dinnings

    Give me Teixiera’s 2012 with 18 more points on his OBP for .350 OBP every year for the next three years and I’m happy.

    24 HR, 84 RBI, and .350 OBP with above average if not Gold Glove finalist defense would be just fine for a #6 hitter assuming the 1-6 was Ellsbury/Jeter/Beltran/McCann/Soriano/Teixiera. That would be a 10 HR 25 RBI .055 OBP improvement over what Overbay admirably posted in 2013.

  • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

    In Tex’s worst year he was worth 2.7 fWAR and still had a 116 wrc+.

    Yeah, I think we’d like him back in the lineup, and dalelama can go fuck himself with a rusty shovel.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Yup, I’ll take a healthy Tex for 600 abs over Loverbay, thanks. Also, I’ll take a healthy A-Rod for 600 abs over whatever is going to land there this spring.

      Look past the money THAT IS NOT COMING OUT OF ANY OF YOUR GODDAM pockets, these are clear upgrades to the lineup, despite your revisionist history and bias towards Cashman not signing the specific guy you want on the team.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        Seems as though a lot of fans are upset that if we can’t get the absolute best player at a position, we’re the worst team in baseball.

        If our lineup opening day isn’t 9 cheap 5-7 WAR 24 year olds, #cashmanFailed

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Except when they Dean Anna and Kelly Johnson.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Now why would you wish that on a poor rusty shovel?

      Dalailama can go screw himself with a Muh Dinnings.

      Merry Christmas Eve, everyone.

      • Uh Dinnings

        Eat a dick.

        • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

          Wrong!

          You should have said “eat a bag of dicks.” Then we’d be laughing with you.

      • The Great Gonzo

        You polyanna, Pre-madonna sorority sluts.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          I like how the memes are piling up.

    • Farewell Mo

      dalelama can go fuck himself with a rusty shovel.

      You might wanna consider anger management as your new years resolution

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        Gooooz fraaa baaaaa

        That movie was entertaining.

      • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

        That is a perfectly good example of anger management.

  • The Great Gonzo

    I remember CLEARLY being happy about this move, but admittedly I wanted them to trade for Adrian Gonzalez instead… Because reasons.

    In hindsight, I am happy with how this worked out. Wouldn’t take back that deal, and the ring it helped us get, for anything.

  • Uh Dinnings

    Ok I’m saying it here and now:

    TEIXIERA GETS A PASS FOR 2013 FOR HIS 2009-12, ESPECIALLY HIS 2012.

    Now shut up about him and root for him to produce at least his 2012 and .350 OBP like I will.

    Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!

    • Uh Dinnings

      *ESPECIALLY HIS 2009 LOL

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Why does he need a pass for last year? Because he chose to participate in the WBC where he suffered what amounted to a fluke injury?