Sunday Shorts: Hughes, Beltran, Cano

Chances the previous batter just hit a homer? ( Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

Chances the previous batter just hit a homer? ( Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

Trying something new today. People like to read on Sundays, right? So let’s take a short look at a few stories that probably won’t get full posts of their own, but are of interest to anyone who follows the Yankees daily.

Replacing Phil Hughes

When Brian Cashman said that he needed to find 400 innings this off-season, he mostly referred to the loss of Andy Pettitte and potential loss of Hiroki Kuroda. He’ll also need to find a replacement, perhaps internal, for Phil Hughes, who signed with the Twins yesterday.

In his four years as a starter (since 2010) Hughes has averaged under 150 innings per year, and he failed to eclipse that mark in his walk year. Of the 96 pitchers who have recorded at least 500 innings since 2010, Hughes’s 4.65 ERA ranks 89th. In that time he has produced 3.1 bWAR*, which ranks 80th.

*bWAR is chosen here, because it works on RA rather than FIP. Honestly, measuring a pitcher’s value based on FIP seems silly to me. FIP can be a useful tool, but not as a measure of produced value. To me, RA is a much closer mark. It also helps that this is a multi-year sample.

While he’s been a rotation mainstay, the Yankees should have no trouble at all replacing both his innings and his performances, almost certainly with someone better. Which asks the question, why didn’t they seek a replacement for Hughes sooner?

Waiting for Beltran

For about a week now we’ve heard that the Yankees have prioritized signing Carlos Beltran, and that Beltran prefers the Yankees. So why haven’t they come together on a contract yet? It appears that Beltran seeks three years while the Yankees, and most other teams in pursuit, prefer to keep the deal limited to two years.

Joel Sherman recently got an executive’s take on the situation: “Beltran wants three years, so I think the Yankees will either go three years or give him a [bleep]-load more on a two-year deal. I think the feeling in the industry is if it comes down to a two-year deal because no one goes to three, then the Yankees will win.”

Even though a three-year contract would come with a lower AAV, which would seem to help the luxury tax threshold, chances are it won’t make a significant difference. It’s difficult to see a difference of more than $2 million per year (e.g., $42 million for three years vs. $32 million for two years), so the Yankees definitely benefit by waiting out this situation and trying to get him on that two-year contract. I’d expect Beltran to sign by the winter meetings at the latest.

Connecting Cano and Rodriguez

Robinson Cano might have backed off his $300 million demand, but not by much. The latest reports have Cano seeking $250 to $260 million over nine years, including a vesting option for a tenth year. There is little to no chance the Yankees go this high, and in the wake of the Albert Pujols contract most teams have to be a bit cautious about this.

In a recent post I opined that a hardline stance could benefit both sides (while obviously benefitting the Yankees more). If Cano’s camp is publicly talking about $250 to $260 million, they clearly have no intention of signing soon for less than that. While the Yankees might seem handcuffed in that case, they can afford to wait on Cano while stocking their team with players to help in 2014.

If they sign Beltran and Tanaka, that will go a long way in rebuilding the offense — but they might not have the budget to bring back Cano, who will make more of a difference than any other player on the free agent market. Yet the Yankees could open up budget later this off-season, when they learn the details of the Alex Rodriguez arbitration hearing. By that point Cano’s market should be pretty clear.

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  1. Mouse says:

    Funny how next May, Yankees might face both AJ Burnett and Phil Hughes.

    • RetroRob says:

      Two wins in the book already?

      I’d actually be confident in a win against Hughes and the Twins. AJ, however, used to give the Yankees fits, and while he’s a different pitcher and this is a different team, I can see him throwing up goose eggs against the Yankees.

      • Mike says:

        I have a feeling Hughes could blossom away from NY.

        • whozat says:

          He’s likely to put up numbers similar to his road splits, sure. That’s not blossoming, though, it’s just getting away from having to make 12-15 starts a year in a park that is about the worst fit for his skillset that one could imagine.

          I think he’s still likely to struggle in Yankee Stadium, because he gives up lots of fly balls and struggles to put away hitters with 2 strikes.

        • SDB says:

          Any numbers for how much run support Phil got in his time in NY? I really doubt he’ll get those sorts of numbers backing him up in Minnesota.

          • forensic says:

            Well, his run support won’t really have much (if any) impact on him blossoming or his individual numbers (other than W/L of course, but that doesn’t necessarily point to how well he’s pitched).

            But since you asked, last season his run support was way down since we all know the Yankees couldn’t score at all. In 2012, he was t-11th in the Majors in run support. In 2011, he didn’t have enough innings to qualify, but if he had and his support stayed at the same insane level he would’ve led the Majors by a mile. In 2010, he again had the highest run support in the Majors, by a good bit.

            While it’s unlikely he’ll get the amazing sustained run support he has with the Yankees, even teams like Minnesota can periodically put a guy near the top in this category, so maybe he’ll get it one year.

  2. Darren says:

    It’s kind of interesting to think who has more to lose in the game of chicken. On the one hand the Yankees could import Beltran, Drew and Infante and it it would STILL be devastating to have lost Cano. On the other hand if Cano loses out and signs with the Mariners or whoever for $190 mm that’s a pretty shitty result for a guy who could have played his whole career in NYC and probably made another $180mm.

  3. Mike HC says:

    Well done. I am a fan of the Sunday Shorts already.

  4. Poconos Adam says:

    So the semi-collective thought is that they are basically allocating ARod’s salary to Cano….so as long as ARod is suspended this year, they can re-sign Cano and meet the 189 threshold?

    Given all of the factors in play for the Yanks this off-season — it’s a smart play — but if opening day comes and they have ARod in the lineup after a nasty weird PED trial/arbitration/situation (if he’s in the lineup, he “won” on a technicality/bluff) and Cano is playing on a 1 year deal in Texas or somewhere like that…..curious to see what Yankee nation will be feeling/saying.

    • 28 this year says:

      If Cano is on a deal less than 5 years anywhere, everyone will eat Ben’s hat.

      • Poconos Adam says:

        A month ago I would have agreed with you…..but I’m starting to wonder if Cano is going to be the first casualty of the uber-contract-agony-learning-curve that several big market teams have gone through. Hamilton, Pujols, ARod, Fielder….the list is getting longer…..

        If the Yanks don’t sign him to a mega-deal, no one will. Then what? Take a 5 year 20 million deal from someone? Not gonna happen. I think he’d go for a 1 year deal, fire JZ, re-hire Boras and then try to get mega-bucks next year….probably from the “post-189″ Yankees.

        Pure speculation of course, but his options are not great.

        • Preston says:

          There is no reason for him to sign a one year deal. He is not going to be younger or better next off-season. He may be forced to come down on his price considerably, but just because no team is clamoring to get in a bidding war for the Yankees for a nearly 200 million dollar contract does not mean they won’t get into a bidding war for slightly more than 100 million in a contract. For that price lots of teams would be interested. Even teams you wouldn’t suspect like the Cubs and Mets, heck even the Red Sox might get involved and move him to 3b.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            I’ll give every reader here an internet dollar if that happens.

            • Preston says:

              My point is that Cano isn’t taking a one year deal. There is a number at which every team would get involved, even if they already had a 2b (maybe excluding the Rays) and even though that number isn’t 300 million it’s a really, really big number.

          • Poconos Adam says:

            So how is bidding for Cano ever going to get into the 100 million range? He wants 30 million per year for ten years… you think he’ll suddenly decide that 20 mill per year for 5 is acceptable?

            I don’t see him “settling” for 7 years and 150……so where does that leave him and the Yanks?

            I don’t see a player of his age going for a 3-5 year deal since that leaves his final deal to be in the out years of his career.

            I certainly think the play for a 1 year deal and pray the Yanks will give him the big bucks in a post-189 year might actually be logical (albeit extremely risky) for him.

            I don’t know the Dodgers payroll for 2015, but if they have some salary coming off the books after 2014, maybe Cano’s camp envisions a Yankees vs. Dodgers bidding war in a year where they can both spend…..

            • Preston says:

              It’s completely illogical. He just finished top 5 in the MVP and is 30 years old. MLB just got a huge influx of cash from the new TV deal. It would be the height of stupidity for him to bet on having a better year next year and that the market will improve for him despite being a year older. It’s December 1st. He has at least a month and a half left to posture and hope somebody bites. But around January 15th he’ll sign the deal that’s offered not the deal he wants. This happens with top FA every year. Remember when everybody thought the Yankees were going to sign Prince Fielder to a one year deal as a DH? And no, teams have not learned their lesson on big money contracts. The Rangers just took on that Fielder contract. Jacoby Ellsbury and Choo are both going to get 100 million dollar deals and they are far inferior players.

              • Poconos Adam says:

                Yeah — can’t argue your logic….I guess I’m too focused on the Yanks’ internal issues with ARod and 189….and imagining that there isn’t another team willing to make a very large commitment in years/dollars.

                It just seems like a massive loss of face for his new agent and a complete downer for him if he’s signing a five year, 125 million deal with someone (likely not Yanks) on January 15.

                Even with the new influx of money, baseball owners/GMs seem to be learning that paying top dollar for past production is not a good plan — especially when the dollars end up committed for exceedingly long periods of time (7+ year deals).

                One thing I will argue is your assertion that someone would sign him and have him play 3b. I’d take the odds of a 1 year wait-for-better-market deal over him accepting a 3b job somewhere.

        • Intelligence says:

          His option right now is pretty fantastic. A seven-year deal for about $170M from the Yankees. It’s all upside on what else they can get from the Yankees or another team.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz says:

      FYI trolls: we do not refer to it as ‘nation,’ that’s Boston’s thing.

  5. The Other Sam says:

    I’m starting to dread the Beltran possibility. 37? Bad knees? Time-compensation cash for an aging player? How does his 2 SB replace Ichiro’s 20? Are we assuming Heathcott or Williams are going to be reliable and effective in 2 years? Choo may be the better way to go here.

    • fg says:

      How does his 2 SB replace Ichiro’s 20? I think you’re joking, but if you’re not its because he is on base approximately 2 thousand times more over the course of a season.

      • The Other Sam says:

        Not arguing for Ichiro, but Choo whose OBP is .423 to Beltran’s .339(a larger gap than between Beltran and Ichiro.) And Choo’s BB% is more than double Beltran’s as well. Now who gets on base more?

        • whozat says:

          Choo, if you don’t let him face left-handed hitters. He’s a disaster against lefties, so you’re basically banking on him being a super hero against right-handed pitching. Is that really the kind of player you want to sign to a big-money deal?

          • The Other Sam says:

            I know, but his splits don’t seem to bring his OBP sub-Beltran’s. Beltran’s decline seems too inevitable for the extra $ they’re going to pay to keep it at 2.

            Choo’s poor splits outweigh his better numbers AND are a greater risk than Beltran’s age, health, lesser numbers?

            • Preston says:

              Choo is coming off of his best season, he’s likely in for some regression. I doubt he’s a 5 win player going forward. Beltran on the other hand actually hit better in 2013 than 2012 and his decline in WAR is due mostly to a decline in his defense. I think giving him rest days at DH and playing RF in Yankee stadium could definitely help him boost his overall value. And let’s not forget that Beltran was the more valuable and healthier player in 2011 and 2012. Choo is 31 and likely looking for a 6+ year contract and will probably command a higher AAV. There is no guarantee that he will age as gracefully as Beltran has. Beltran has some red flags but on a two year deal he’s definitely worth the risk.

              • The Other Sam says:

                He’s always up and down though. The chance of the next two years being down are better than I like.

                The 6+ years is really the question then, if you’re confident Williams et al will be ready and as effective in 2 yrs. Not sure I am.

  6. PunkPitch says:

    The Yankees now have the upper hand with Cano. He should have stayed with Boras, and it’s likely to cost him millions.

    • Mike HC says:

      Agreed, but Cano is going to make so much money anyway (and already has really) that I can see him trading off several million for the outside of baseball type stuff that Jay Z can offer. Cano seems like the kind of guy who enjoys living life to the fullest.

    • I'm One says:

      Unless you’re speaking about Cano losing out on off-the-field marketing dollars, I disagree. Regardless of agent, the market for Cano will be what it is. And I still believe that Jay-Z will provide more in the way of off-the-field opportunities than Boras.

      • Mike HC says:

        Agents can definitely make a difference. Boras has proven he is the best in the business at getting his clients top dollar. You leave Boras because Jay Z offers extremely unique off the field perks.

        • I'm One says:

          Agree, agents can make a difference to some extent, I doubt it would make much of a difference with Cano this winter. We’ll never really know for sure. I just can’t believe Cano will be leaving many millions on the table due to leaving Boras. $1MM per year? Perhaps. Not more than that, is my guess.

          • MannyGeee says:

            This. We are, after all, talking about the best 2b in the game and THE BEST free agent this season. He’s gonna get paid.

            If we were talking about 2010 Johnny Damon, then yeah… you need Boras sized balls to get you work, but not Cano.

      • fg says:

        You have that backwards buddy. Boras is the guy who got Prince Fielder $210M when no one knew where he was going. Arod $250, when he turned down $180M as the highest contract in history.

        Marketing dollars are what they are… What is Jay-z going to bring to the table. Who has he ever gotten endorsements for…? Oh himself… hahaha… silly. He has a team for that, you think he is stupid?

        • I'm a looser baby so why don't you kill me? says:

          And frankly, I think the entire concept of off the field endorsements for Cano is waaaaay overblown. The guy has a charming smile, but he won’t play broadly. Might JZ do better for him in this regard than Boras? Perhaps. But I don’t think Robbie is a guy we’re going to see in broad, national campaigns (ie the ones that pay by far the most).

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            I tend to agree, but I also think it doesn’t need to go national in order for it to be successful. There’s tons of money to be made off the Latin American fanbase. If you really want to get mainstream here, Jennifer Lopez is a much bigger icon in Latin/Caribbean communities than she is in middle America.

            • I'm a looser baby so why don't you kill me? says:

              Very fair but the way people were posting made it sound like they expect tens of millions a year from this, Tiger Woods in his prime style.

          • Kevin G. says:

            Didn’t Cano just get a large Pepsi sponsorship?

            • I'm a looser baby so why don't you kill me? says:


            • I'm a looser baby so why don't you kill me? says:

              Quick google foo – he’s “the face of Pepsi in MLB” and was in one commercial that aired during the all star game. I missed it as it happens. And it’s called a “multi million dollar” deal.

              Could be two million over five years or whatever. Hard to imagine it’s much more than that, especially because at this point for Cano and JZ what mattered was getting him a gig with a real brand. Either way that’s not the kind of thing that makes a material difference here IMO. He’s not selling Buicks nationally.

  7. William Balderson says:

    If Cano wants to walk let him just being a Yankee is worth at least 5 million a yr. There are good enough 2nd basemen out there and use the money to up grade pitching and outfield. Dump all the junk outfield in right and get one FA and use farm system for back up. Need to decide who is future catcher and one to back him up and trade the others so they get to play in major leagues also.

  8. Joeybatz says:

    I wish the Yankees would just turn around and tell him ” Look our best offer is 7 years and $165 million” and you have a 72 hours time frame to accept or not” That’s already way too much money for him anyway. I would have the a lot of respect for the Yankees if they did that and so should every other Yankee fan. Honestly I rather use that 30+ million that Cano is asking for per year on Shin-Soo Choo, S. Drew (to take over for Jeter after next year) and Omar Infante to play second base and is a really good player.

    • Betty Lizard says:

      What a great idea! I always want my teams highly paid negotiators to not negotiate!

    • qwerty says:

      Why would they say that if that is not their best offer? If the yankees are willing to go to 8 years 210 million it would be silly to make an ultimatum for much less money.

    • This is a losing negotiation tactic.

      • The Big City of Dreams says:

        Are the fans that want to lower the offer, pull it, or give an ultimatum aware that it doesn’t work that way and comes off as fake macho tough guy talk. I’ve heard fans say “If I were the Yankees I’d pulled the offer today” WTF pull the offer before the WM start

        • Intelligence says:

          No. Most fans have no idea how negotiations work. They will be upset when the Yankees end up paying more than the initial reported offer, even the Yankees themselves know their final offer will be higher, just as Cano’s team know that what they will get is less than their initial reported offer.

    • Mike says:

      I think Cano should be willing to give us a hometown discount like Pedroia did for Boston.

      • The Big City of Dreams says:

        Cano was open to extending yrs ago but the Yankees shut it down.

        • Ed says:

          Cano did sign an extension years ago. He would’ve been a free agent 2 years ago if he didn’t.

          He didn’t want to sign a second extension because he wanted top dollar. Technically, when he signed with Boras, Boras did said he’d talk extension – but only if the Yankees agreed to decline the option years in his deal and renegotiate them at free agent prices.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I couldn’t think of a worse thing to do than that. The Yanks have handled this very well thus far.

      At the end of the day, I think he gets more than that, but not that much more, and it will be because the Yankees waited him out.

  9. Mouse says:

    How much does Gardner get next year on the open market assuming he puts up similar numbers to this year?

    Which teams would be interested?

    Should the Yankees resign him?

    • Preston says:

      He’ll probably get something similar to players like Angel Pagan 4/45 and Michael Bourne 4/48. Maybe slightly more AAV due to inflation. I’d have no issue bringing him back for that price if he has a healthy, productive 2013. Although If Slade Heathcott, Mason Williams, Tyler Austin take a step forward next year and we have Beltran under contract, it might be better to move on.

  10. Jimmy Page says:

    Why is every one assuming the Yankees will win the Tanaka bidding? They said the same thing with Matsuzaka when he was supposed the be the next Japanese can’t miss super star and the Red Sox blew every one away with their offer.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      They seem more “in play” here than with any other foreign player.

      That being said, there’s too many moving parts here. No team’s fans should be writing him into their rotations in pen.

  11. Actuallymissingtheboss says:

    Robinson, Brian, RIB, how about: ’14 – $40mill, ’15 – $35, ’16 – $30, ’17 – $25, ’18 – $20, ’19 – $15, ’20 – $10, ’21 – $5, ’22 – $4, ’23 – $3 … Totals ten years, $187 million. Robbie, you get paid, NOW, and in eight or nine years you can retire early if you can’t or don’t want to play. Yankees, you take only a $18.7/year luxury tax hit to lock up a premier player. You both can have a handshake agreement stipulating that if Robbie retires early, having given the home team a hometown discount and endearing himself to the fans, you’ll sign his wide smile to a promotional agreement.

    • Pat D says:

      I’m pretty sure the CBA doesn’t allow extreme front-loading or back-loading of contracts like your idea.

      • Actuallymissingtheboss says:

        Sure, but is it that extreme? Signing bonuses are allowed, and even without structuring anything as a bonus, Robbie could be a six-seven WAR player next year, which would mean he’d be worth $30-40 million player by most valuations. And by the end he could easily be a one WAR player worth $5-6 million (leaving aside the intangibles). Handshake deals aren’t allowed per se, but if he did do the team a “favor” and was a yankee for life without playing extreme (contractual) hardball, then the yankees would want to keep him in the fold anyway.

        • Pat D says:

          Yes, the breakdown you proposed is very extreme.

        • Pat D says:

          It also doesn’t matter because the AAV is what’s used for luxury tax calculation. So no matter what they pay him every year, with your total contract, each year counts $18.7 million against the tax.

  12. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Robbie’s team continues to look bad here. The leaked demand is going to continue moving downward and, even when he gets his probable 8/180, or whatever, it’ll look like they couldn’t get their guy the money they wanted. Aiming for a completely unrealistic number is just silly to me.

    • Preston says:

      It’s only silly if you care about looking bad for not getting your asking price. If you only care about getting every red cent you can squeeze out of the other side it makes more sense.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        I think that even this second leaked number completely overshoots any potential market for Robbie. Like Rob says below, I think an initial number that’s within striking distance of a reasonable deal would have attracted a bigger market for him, which would have meant actual teams to play the Yankees against.

        • Preston says:

          I do think this might be a problem with his new agency. I’d bet these kinds of crazy numbers get thrown around all the time, we just don’t hear about it. When you have a private meeting with Scott Boras, you don’t piss him off by leaking the private details of that meeting. Maybe the Yankees have no problem doing that to Jay-Z, because they don’t think he has the media savvy to strike back the way Boras does, or the relationships with other teams to leverage offers out of nothing if the Yankees leave the table. Who knows. I do know that Scott Boras has considerably over-valued his clients before. I remember specifically him calling Bobby Abreu a generational player deserving to be paid like an elite player and then settled for one year 5 million from the Angels. It didn’t affect his credibility in future negotiations. So who knows?

    • RetroRob says:

      That $300M was so far off the mark it’s difficult to understand what they were attempting. If Boras was running this it’s unlikely there would even have been a public number.

      The Yankees first offer was just the starting point as was Cano’s, yet the Yankees number is within visual distance of the likely final contract. Cano could very well sign an 8/200 contract, a substantial deal, yet it will somehow look like a failure for his agent team.

  13. Tom says:

    I don’t even know if you need to start high when you are Cano’s caliber.

    The negotiation seems to be based on “both sides will give ground until we meet somewhere in the middle” and that is a dangerous negotiating plan for Cano’s team. I think letting the market drive the price up may have been just as effective (if not moreso) in this circumstance.

    If he started even just listening to teams at the 180-200mil range, he needs just one nibble to take back to the Yankees and ask for an additional 10-20mil (or another year) to get it done. If he gets a lot of interest then maybe he circles the offers around a few times to see who will bid things up. Would he get other teams interested at that #? Hard to say, but it’s safe to say he isn’t driving the external market with 250-260mil and a 10th year vesting option on top of it.

  14. LarryM Fl says:

    7 years 161-175, if this is not enough then take the open market offers which will be similar to Yanks at best. IMHO the market has been determined by the Yanks.

    Cano latest reach out is not credible.

    • PunkPitch says:

      His big play was the very public sitdown with the Mets! Not a bright move when you’re looking to ratchet up the ante. No, Jay Z has some learning to do, big time. In this case, the Yanks first offer may be their best.

  15. Mick taylor says:

    The reason yanks did not get rid of Hughes sooner because they wanted to show they could develop pitching . It is funny that in 2007 he was rated by most experts the number 1 pitching prospect in the minors. Cano is funny he said today he ne er asked for 300 million. But the reports are he is asking for 288 million. Wow, big difference. Would not offer him more than 7 years and161. That is way more than pedroia is getting, and he ain’tway better.

  16. Newman says:

    I like the phrases ‘not by much’ and ‘$50 million’ getting associated with one another. These guys live on different Earth than the rest of us.

  17. Kluang Yankee says:

    Cano will sign with us, if for no other reason, no one else is bidding, and we do NEED him in our lineup. There is no hometown discount since the rival bids are 0 and any discount to 0 is 0. We need to sign him for more than Tex got, so I am guessing 8 yrs between 181 and 220. I say give him 200+ so he feels good about his contract.

  18. Kluang Yankee says:

    It really does NOT matter what he signs for as long as he signs with us, especially if you think that he is the difference with not making the playoffs and winning the WS. After all, we are fans and Hal is the one who pays him. Hal knows that a lot more money will b made by signing him and winning the WS than not signing him and missing the playoff. Forget the HalCap. Do you really want to watch a Yankee season without Cano? I doubt it!

    • Captain Turbo says:

      It depends. They can make up a winning team sans Cano but it won’t be easy. On the other hand, signing another albatross contract just to strengthen the team next year doesn’t seem like a smart move.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Yes, I would watch a Yankee team without Robbie Cano on it. It’s because I’m a fan of the New York Yankees, regardless of who is taking the field.

      • Truther says:

        Actually it does matter to you who is taking the field. That’s why you gave up on the Marlins and magically became a Yankee fan. If Cano doesn’t take the field I guarantee you won’t be a Yankee fan. Who’s next Cardinals, Dodgers, how about the Rangers…

        What blog will Fish Face invade next?? Oooooohhhh, the drama.

      • FLYER7 says:

        Root for the jersey and the pinstripes…

  19. nycsportzfan says:

    It definetly frustrates me that we didn’t get anything in trade for Hughes or Joba. At no point did they say its time to move on and get what we can. Obviously if a team was willing to go 3yrs on em, we could’ve gotten something in return.

    Oh well, i’m just glad hes outta here.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Neither was going to be worth much at the deadline.

      These things happen. We gave them seven years of our lives. It’s time to start seeing other people.

    • CashmanNinja says:

      No team was interested in them because they flat out sucked. Why would the Twins have given anything for Hughes? It’s not like they were contending. They were sellers, not buyers. No team was willing to take Hughes because they would be renting him for a portion of the season. Why would they give up a guy when they could get their guy later on anyway? Hughes really didn’t have any trade value since Johan Santana was a Twin.

      As for Joba…there was the deal for Dan Haren that fell through. I personally wish they’d have done that trade. I loved Joba, but it was clear he wasn’t the same after hurting his shoulder. As time went on his value kept dipping. Last season he was basically a 6th inning/garbage inning guy. Why would any team bother to trade away anything for that when they could go into their own system and find someone who will produce the same or better while allowing them to keep another young player rather than trade them.

  20. mustang says:

    8 for 200

  21. John says:

    I feel like at this point the Yankees and Carlos Beltran are like that couple that talks but doesn’t go out yet. You know they’re gonna go out but they just talk for like a week first.

  22. Tyrone Sharpton says:

    Cano, Tanaka and Corey Hart-boom.

  23. Mike says:

    I can understand Beltran, but how does signing Tanaka rebuild the offense?

  24. D says:

    The Twins are fucking idiots who just blew $73M on two career #4 starters ($49M Nolasco + $24M Hughes.) Nolasco has a career 4.37 ERA in the league with no DH and the pitcher batting thus a weaker bottom of the order than the American League while Hughes has a career 4.54 ERA and had the lowest innings per start for a pitcher with at least 29 starts in the history of baseball. Enjoy a 66-96 repeat since no one on your team can hit outside of Mauer your only bonafide scary hitter and Willingham who scares no one.

    I’d give Beltran two years $15M a year $15M mutual option with a $2M buyout so he makes $32M for two years or $45M for three. The option could be vesting if he does one of the following in 2014 or 2015: wins the ALMVP, finishes in the top ten for ALMVP voting, or wins the batting title. Tack on $15M for 2017 if he does any of these things in both years. If he did any of these things in 2015 you’d definitely want him back for 2016. If he did any of these things in 2014 then had a bad 2015, hey, see if he rebounds in 2016.

    Now to Cano. Eight years x $15M a year = $120M total, $10M more than what Pedroia took to remain with Boston. Name me another team who would match or top that. Let him go to the N.L. if an N.L. team would be willing to sign him through his age 38, 39, 40, or 41 season with no DH. Detroit has Kinsler and traded Fielder’s remaining $168M to clear salary to lock up Scherzer not to sign Cano who is two years older than Fielder for 7-10 years. Boston has Pedroia. Texas has Profar and they’re not devoting at least $299M ($161M the Yanks reportedly offered Cano + $138M they’re paying Fielder) over the next seven years to just two players. The Angels aren’t risking a third nine-figure bust after first bust Pujols and second bust Hamilton. Tampa Bay and Cleveland won the first and second wildcard slots with Zobrist and Kipnis at 2B, respectively. Oakland won their division and Kansas City won the most games since 1989 with offensive zeros at 2B. Toronto isn’t spending big after their disastrous splash save Reyes last offseason. Baltimore has won 186 games the past two years with Andino then old Roberts at 2B. Chicago isn’t spending big after losing 99 games and Houston isn’t spending big after losing 111 games. Seattle isn’t taking on a second nine-figure salary after Hernandez and Minnesota isn’t taking on a second nine-figure salary after Mauer and blowing $73M on Nolasco and Hughes.

  25. D says:

    Yeah I’m saying it loud and clear:


    Why should he make $51M more than what Pedroia took to remain in Boston ($161M vs. Pedroia’s $110M) when Pedroia has something Cano will never win (Rookie Of The Year award for the 2007 World Champion Red Sox so he wasn’t along for the ride) and may never win (MVP award and second World Series)?

    Let’s say Cano signed with Detroit and the Yanks signed Omar Infante. See you in the ALDS or ALCS, Robbie. Maybe this time Infante won’t outhit you like he did in the 2012 ALCS (.222 BA and three runs vs. Cano’s .056 and one run, both had 18 PA.) I’d be thrilled with Infante if he posted .288 BA (A 30-point drop from 2013) but held at his .345 OBP with 15 HR and 70 RBI for 2014. It wouldn’t be Cano, of course, but that’s pretty good production for a #8 hitter if the Yanks signed Beltran for RF and re-signed Ibanez for DH for a batting order of Gardner/Jeter 3B (that’s right)/ Beltran/ McCann/Teixiera/ Soriano/ Ibanez/Infante/Ryan SS.

  26. King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:

    …we all know that Jay Z isn’t his sports agent, right?

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