Castrovince: Yankees gave Shin-Soo Choo 21 hours to accept offer

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Via Anthony Castrovince: Shin-Soo Choo confirmed the Yankees gave him 21 hours to accept their seven-year, $140M contract offer back in December. The team then pulled it off the table and signed Carlos Beltran for three years and $45M. I dunno, seems like if you give a prominent free agent less than a day to mull over an offer, you weren’t all that serious about signing him in the first place. Eh, whatever. Having two outfielders locked up for seven years probably isn’t a good idea anyway.

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  • gbyanks

    yea but choo vs RHP is 2007 arod

    • Dalek Jeter

      I think you mean Babe Ruth (I love you Mike, but that is the silliest comparison you ever made).

      • gbyanks

        not mike, but just for fun

        Arod 2007: 314/422/645 54 homers

        Choo Vs RHP 2013: 317/456/554

        Not the silliest thing ever

  • JAG

    I dunno, this seems sorta like Beltran accepted first and so the decision was done. Oh well.

  • TWTR

    That makes sense if they believed that he wanted to play in Texas and would use the offer to gain leverage, and that may well have been the case. Other than that, I don’t get it.

  • LK

    This seems like kind of a dick move. I don’t mind having deadlines and pulling offers afterward in a vacuum, but less than a day to decide is pretty bush league.

    On the whole not a big deal, but it does make me worry that the FO isn’t operating all that cohesively.

    • Havok9120

      Meh. If you make offers to two players with the clear intention of getting things done quickly, the first one to accept wins the prize. Maybe it’s bad form if they don’t inform the two guys that they have other offers out, but that’s about it.

      I don’t get the cohesion thing at all.

  • Ed

    It seems like they made offers to just about everyone they liked and then withdrew some of them as they signed players.

    My guess is once Cano signed with Seattle, they made offers to Choo & Beltran. Beltran accepted first, so they withdrew the offer to Choo. We know that Beltran always wanted to be a Yankee, and he wasn’t likely to top that offer, so it seems believable that he’d accept quickly.

    • TWTR

      Except that they originally offered Beltran two years (understandably given his age) and he didn’t accept until they offered him three. So they did show flexibility, perhaps unlike they did with Choo.

      • Havok9120

        What kind of flexibility would you be after? They offered him 7/140. It’s a lot easier to be flexible with a contract that is so much smaller.

        • TWTR

          From my perspective, if they were willing to go to 7/140, which is a sign of pretty extreme interest, right? Why not just give him $153m? It’s not that much extra in terms of AAV.

          I agree with JS that committing 7 years to two OF is problematic, but they have now committed 5 years to one OF (Gardner) and 7 years to another.

          • Mr. Roth

            Shit, why not just make it an even $160 million since we’re just haphazardly throwing extra money around.

            • TWTR

              Because unlike $153m, at least according to reports, was the figure that it would have taken to close the deal So hardly haphazard.

              • Mr. Roth

                Well considering he signed a $130 million deal, tossing an extra $13 million on top of an offer that already beat the 2nd best offer by $10 million seems like haphazardly tossing money around to me.

                They valued him at $140 million a year. Adding an extra $13 million is negotiationg against yourself.

                • JMK

                  Stop it right there! This is a logic-free zone! Halt!

                  • Mr. Roth

                    lol Well in that case…

                    When Boras asked for $153 million for 7 years, they should have countered with $153 million for 6 years plus a player option for the 7th, 8th, and 9th.

  • KennyH123

    $140 million for a guy who hit .215 with zero HRs against lefties last year is a bad idea anyway. Lock up a platoon guy for 7 years? Dumb.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Ellsbury isn’t any better against lefties.

      • Jimmy Page

        Ellsbury is a much better player than Choo. Seattle offered Jacoby 9yrs $200M and he said no and Seattle went after Cano. He turned down almost $50M to joint the Yanks.

        • Chris H

          He’s a better player adding in base running and defense, he isn’t a much better player. Maybe one declines faster than the other but at the moment they are pretty close, and you could learn towards Choo pretty easy for the ridiculous offense against 3/4th of the league.

          • Havok9120

            Agreed, mostly. I certainly prefer Ells for 7 years over Choo, but I can see the other argument. There’s no reason to go overboard in the comparisons.

            It’s only when someone can’t extend the same courtesy to me that I get annoyed.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              It’s the internet. No courtesy.

      • mustang

        http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....y-ellsbury

        http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....n-soo-choo

        I think your wrong. There better not much better, but better.

      • Dalek Jeter

        Ellsbury career vs LHP: .286/.343/.390 wOBA .326 wRC+ 96 while maintaining world class speed and defense in CF.

        Choo career vs LHP: .243/.340/.341 wOBA .310 wRC+ 92 while maintaining subpar speed and defense in RF.

        I know it’s too much money for too many years BUT Ellsbury is the better/more complete player.

        • mustang

          THIS!!!!!!

        • CS Yankee

          Plus Ells signing hurt our rivals, they would of had a much higher pick if the M’s signed him.

          • Dalek Jeter

            I personally think MLB draft picks are probably the most overvalued commodity in all of sports, so while yeah probably a small advantage…not huge.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Choo is a 20+ SB guy, so he’s hardly subpar on the bases. He also destroys righties. Can’t ignore that. It would be like talking about Ellsbury and ignoring defense, his best skill.

          Considering they had Gardner for CF and needed OBP and power more than anything this winter, I thought Choo for RF made much more sense. Just my opinion.

          • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

            Wait really, that’s your opinion? Never realized.

            • mustang

              +1

  • emac2

    That’s how it works these days unless you want the player to shop your deal.

    I like it.

    • Mr. Roth

      Same here. I like when the front office plays hardball, because god knows that the agents are going to too.

  • mustang

    “I dunno, seems like if you give a prominent free agent less than a day to mull over an offer, you weren’t all that serious about signing him ”

    “seven-year, $140M contract offer”

    Can someone please tell me what’s not serious about a seven-year, $140M contract offer and 21 hours to think about it????!!!!!!!

    That’s 6,666,666.67 an hour worth of seriousness!!!!!!

    Maybe Choo didn’t like that number because its sure freaking me out.

    LOL

  • Steve (different one)

    When I read this 2 days ago, there was a bit about how the Yanks may have pulled the offer because Boras turned around and asked them to match the $153M/7 they gave Ellsbury.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Which is 21 hours more than they gave me. Dicks.

    Wouldn’t have wanted 2/3 of my outfield on seven-year deals.

  • Havok9120

    It doesn’t mean they aren’t serious. It means that hung roughly the same value on Beltran at 3/45 and Choo at 7/140. They’d have been happy with either, but they only wanted one.

    This is not an issue unless you consider that valuation critically flawed. That would be a debate worth having. Otherwise…eh.

  • Steve (different one)

    If Choo accepts, do they get Tanaka?

    • Mr. Roth

      I think so. I think they were all in on Tanaka regardless of what happened with any of the other free agents.

  • CS Yankee

    That was about 22 hours too much.

  • bpdelia

    I can see how people think this is odd but I actually think it’s a good strategy.

    For years the problem has been the Yankees make a huge fair offer the agent then shops this and extracts more rinse repeat.

    This could be their new methodology. “We negotiate in good faith. We are confident our offer will always be in the ballpark. We aren’t going to be used and negotiate against ourselves/mystery teams anymore. We will make our best offer and if it isn’t taken we will move on to other players”

    Hypothetically you’d only need to stick to this for a few off seasons before word got around that they are no longer suckers/bottomless pits who will constantly change the economics of the game.

    Bravo and as much as I love Chop (and seriously… I LOVE Chop as a ballplayer) he isn’t a sign at all costs cannot miss out on player.

    The contract they offered was on the very very high side of fair.

    • Mr. Roth

      “This could be their new methodology. “We negotiate in good faith. We are confident our offer will always be in the ballpark. We aren’t going to be used and negotiate against ourselves/mystery teams anymore. We will make our best offer and if it isn’t taken we will move on to other players”

      Hypothetically you’d only need to stick to this for a few off seasons before word got around that they are no longer suckers/bottomless pits who will constantly change the economics of the game.”

      +140,000,000

    • CashmanNinja

      Exactly this. Choo is a great player, but I see nothing wrong with this at all. It’s like being offered a great job on the spot. You either take it there or you risk trying to find something better. The job won’t want you to go back on the market so you can suddenly say “Hey, I have an offer from these guys, so if you give me a little more money I’ll go with you instead.” The Yankees simply didn’t want to be used (which has happened a LOT in the past). Anytime an agent says “the Yankees are interested…” it suddenly adds a few more dollars to the next contract offer. I like that the Yankees played hardball. It was their money to spend and they gave him an ultimatum. They weren’t going to go any higher so why leave the offer out there for too long? He either takes it or he leaves it; he chose the latter. I’d have liked him, but 7 years is a lot for someone like Choo.

  • bpdelia

    Damn auto correct. I’ve typed Choo enough and almost never type chop. Come on.

  • Steve (different one)

    Let’s consider why this is maybe coming out now…

    Choo didn’t take the $140m and signed for $130M.

    Drew did not accept the “2-3 year offer” from the Yanks and is currently jobless and telling his Red Sox friends he should have taken the QO.

    Morales, possibly the most obvious “should have taken the QO” guy since the system started is also jobless with little prospects…

    Boras is obviously the best at what he does, but he seems to have screwed a few guys this winter with his tactics. None of those guys are going to starve, but considering it’s been reported for months that the Yankees were making lots of offers and pulling them back as guys accepted, this strikes me as damage control.

    Wait, Heyman didn’t report it? Never mind.

    • Giancarlo Murphy

      This post redeemed having to wade through all the Sabathia and Pineda velo-bation this week.

  • RetroRob

    Might also be that Beltran had another offer that he didn’t want to lose, so he gave the Yankees a deadline. They were going to get one of them and weren’t prepared to lose Beltran with no belief they would get Choo.

    I suspect within two years it will look like a good deal that the Yankees didn’t get Choo. His walks and HBP numbers were a bit off the charts last year and I would not expect a repeat.

    • OB/GYN Kenobi

      This.

  • Eselquetodolosabe

    …… Ah, thank god, in my opinion. Not a good investment, again, in my opinion. I concur with Mike; 2 outfielders on long termers ?… Probably not smart. I never understood Shin Soo Choo being a 20mm million per player. I know sabermetricians would argue otherwise, but my eyes don’t see it. If Choo is worth 20mm, how much is Trout worth ?! Anyway, NY dodged a bullet, in my opinion.

  • AC

    What have to understand is if it’s true they gave him 21 hours to take it or leave it they just didn’t sign Beltran the next minute. I don’t believe it was that fast after he said no. Yes we got Beltran but I don’t think it was as fast as u said it was.

  • AC

    Beltran wanted the 3rd year. That was sticking point. Yanks don’t want offers on table for too long. I don’t blame them. A lot of people use our offer to get more elsewhere. I think it has either in Cash’s favor of late so that why it works. Yanks move n strike quickly with stealth moves by Cashman. Sometimes it works sometimes it don’t. Chop eventually stated he wasn’t high on playing on NY anyway. Beltran is better play. 3 years. Can play in NY and likes the spotlight and we all think he has juice left in the tank.

    • CashmanNinja

      I’m much happier with Beltran over Choo. Much. I really liked Choo, but that contract…it really just doesn’t seem very good. I think Ellsbury has a better chance of earning his $$ than Choo. Choo is a great player, but he seriously reminds me of a Nick Swisher who can steal some bases, doesn’t strike out as much, walks more, and has a little less power. I’d have taken Choo over Beltran if we’re talking short term deals, but 7 years is really just too much. That’s about 3 years too much, IMHO. I’d rather have given Beltran 2 years, but he was determined to get that 3rd year. He’s a good enough hitter where he can be plugged in at DH in a year or 2, but once Choo begins to decline there’s no way to hide him in the DH spot for that long. It’s not like he’s David Ortiz.

  • There’s the Door

    We said at the time that their heart didn’t really seem to be in the Choo offer. 21 hours is ridiculous, but the idea of putting a clock on these offers is smart, especially in a Boras-style world.