Game 85: Fourth of July


Happy Fourth of July, everyone. The Yankees are looking for their second straight win (!) and are in the right place to do it. They’ve been close to unbeatable in Target Field over the years. Here is the Twins lineup and here is the Yankees lineup:

  1. LF Brett Gardner
  2. 2B Brian Roberts
  3. CF Jacoby Ellsbury
  4. 1B Mark Teixeira
  5. DH Carlos Beltran
  6. RF Ichiro Suzuki
  7. C Frankie Cervelli
  8. 3B Kelly Johnson
  9. SS Brendan Ryan
    RHP Chase Whitley

It’s cloudy in Minnesota but there is no rain in the forecast. This afternoon’s game will start a little after 3pm ET and you can watch on YES locally and ESPN2 nationally. Enjoy.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Deep Thoughts says:

    Happy Birthday, Boss. Let’s get ‘em today.

  2. ALZ says:

    Interesting to have Brob in the 2 hole. Would rather have Ells/Gardy b2b, but he does see a ton of pitches, and actually has played better offensively than Jeter.

  3. ALZ says:

    Shit, 61 hot dogs is a bit much for me.

  4. Tony Lazzeri's Plaque says:

    Lou Gehrig = Greatest ever homegrown Yankee (TM).

  5. ALZ says:

    Man, Gardy is so good.

  6. Tom says:

    Brian Roberts batting 2nd? Ridiculous.

  7. YS3 would’ve made this a 3-run game.

  8. nycsportzfan says:

    Did the offense finally wake up? I was so optimistic for so long, I finally started to lean they woulden’t gel offenively the past couple days and boom, the offense is looking how we expected.

    Its only 2 days but still, its something.lol

  9. nycsportzfan says:

    Belty gets the job done. 4ribs in past 2 games so far. Still alot of AB’s left in this one.

  10. nycsportzfan says:

    3runs, a bunch of ex-base hits, and the pitchers pitch cound nearing mid 20′s. July 4th baby!

  11. vicki says:

    fireworks started early.

  12. ALZ says:

    They just clobbering this guy.

  13. nycsportzfan says:

    Uht oh.lol

  14. ALZ says:

    And we giving them right back.

  15. vicki says:

    well. july baseball.

  16. nycsportzfan says:

    Come on Whitley. How can you go from so good to not being able to get a guy out in blink of a eye? Baseball is a crazy game man.

    • TheRealGreg says:

      I think you answered your own question

    • Jim says:

      Usually pitchers who were never that good in the minors, throw 90, and leave the ball up in the zone won’t be that good for too long. Regression to the mean hittin him hard

  17. nycsportzfan says:

    There we go. Mix that change/fastball. Its that Change that is his on pitch.

  18. TheRealGreg says:

    By the way, for those who thought Morales would help the offense, he’s hitting .217/.247/.304

  19. TheRealGreg says:

    This offense doesn’t score a lot. So when they do score, the pitching has to hold up. And Whitley has been sinking like the Titanic

  20. ALZ says:

    3 outs in and we already have the hits for the cycle.

  21. nycsportzfan says:

    Wow, I count 2 or 3 fastballs this inn so far. Rothschilds out now. Maybe there is something wrong with him? Nerves coming off a bad outing and worried his heater will get pounded?

  22. nycsportzfan says:

    Whitley has only thrown 1 ball at 90mph or better(90 on dot), but has a couple outs and a K. All off speed or is his velocity down? I can’t totally call it yet?

    • nycsportzfan says:

      Ok, there was another 90mph fastball. Tons and tons of offspeed stuff. Whitley must be feeling good about his stuff today, no?

  23. ALZ says:

    At least he was better than Gibson.

  24. nycsportzfan says:

    ROthschild def told em to not be afraid of his heater. He started throwing mostly fastballs and got got the K.

  25. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Gonna be seeing a lot of David Huff today.

  26. BigBlueAL says:

    Wish I was old enough to have watched Righetti’s no-hitter on July 4th, 1983 (i was only 3 yo at the time). When I got older he and Mattingly were my favorite players but I only remember Rags as the closer not as a starting pitcher.

  27. nycsportzfan says:

    Cervelli does what Cervelli does when hes played for the big club. Hits.

  28. TheRealGreg says:

    LOL Cervelli

  29. Tom says:

    Good thing Cervelli swung at the next pitch. You have to think Cowboy Joe would ave rung him on any pitch after the 3-0 businesss.

  30. Yankee Fan 1 says:

    Derek Jeter making fun of Suzyn’s sparkly vest is hilarious. That thing is a monstrosity

  31. Tom says:

    That was some seriously good baserunning there by Cervelli though to tag up. A lot of runners I think would have instinctually started going halfway on that.

    Cervelli really trying to piss Cowboy Joe off (nice slide)

  32. TheRealGreg says:


  33. nycsportzfan says:

    Tim.K is so boring hes funny sometimes.lol

  34. nycsportzfan says:

    Brilliant AB for Gardy. A triple, BB, Run, and now get ur SB Gardy, and you’ve pretty much filled ur leadoff hitter stat chart for the day.

  35. ALZ says:

    Nice ells. Managed to create 2 more runs with 2 outs.

  36. WhittakerWalt says:

    Now we’re talking. And here I was just about to curse that Grounds Rule Double.

  37. nycsportzfan says:

    Ells baby! You could say something bout Jeets not being in the lineup but he was last night when they scored 7 and has been hitting well recently.

  38. WhittakerWalt says:

    I think John Sterling is drunk. He’s already blown like three calls.

  39. TheRealGreg says:

    The Yankees can’t lose this game under any circumstances.

  40. nycsportzfan says:

    Gardy on pace for 47 ex-base hits 99runs and 29SB.. Not to shabby.

  41. nsalem says:

    Just turned my set on to a 6-1 lead. Is this still 2014?

  42. vicki says:

    big wheel woulda made that.

  43. Very nice of these two teams to just decide and stage of replay of their 4th of July game in 2013.


    I missed that game because of work, among other things, and that day sucked, so it’s been nice to see it now.

  44. nycsportzfan says:

    Whatever Whitley.

  45. WhittakerWalt says:

    Jesus, two infield hits in a row. This isn’t Whitley’s fault.

  46. McLovin says:

    Gotta love the Twins, they always deliver.

  47. vicki says:

    i detect a pattern.

  48. WhittakerWalt says:

    Awww come on.

  49. Tom says:

    Cervelli having himself a game…

  50. JGYank says:

    Anyone see Johnny Damon’s comments on ESPN? It’s funny and sad at the same time. He’s become delusional.

  51. TheRealGreg says:

    I can totally see Deduno shutting down the lineup after they struck early.

    Whitley needs to hold.

  52. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    I’d say this should be Whitley’s last start, but I have no idea who they’d replace him with.

  53. nycsportzfan says:

    Come on Whitley. Jesus!

  54. TheRealGreg says:

    Take him out NOW

  55. TheRealGreg says:


  56. Cuso says:

    The Whitley experiment needs to be done. Go get Saunders on a minor league deal and stick Whitley in the pen.

    And, yes, I’m well aware how bad Saunders is.

  57. WhittakerWalt says:

    Gonna be a long day, kids.

  58. vicki says:

    bring me huffles.

  59. JGYank says:

    Whitley’s ERA has really skyrocketed recently. Wasn’t around 3 not to long ago? Now it’s above 5.

  60. Yankeefan91 says:

    this is bad we need a couple of arms.

  61. TheRealGreg says:

    Again, I’ve seen it happen a lot where the Yankees score a lot of runs early and then put it on cruise control and don’t score again.

    You shouldn’t need insurance runs when you have scored 6 runs.

    They better not lose this game.

  62. Dave G says:

    Isn’t this the time of the year we get Cliff Lee?

  63. ALZ says:

    When’s huff come in?

  64. JGYank says:

    That moment when you realize that the Yanks scored 6 runs in 3 innings with Ryan Ichiro Roberts Cervelli and KJ in the lineup.

  65. Dave G says:

    Roberts’ apparently likes the 2 hole

  66. Dave G says:

    Getting better pitches.

  67. WhittakerWalt says:

    This offense better wake up against the new pitcher or this will be a gut-punch loss.

    • TheRealGreg says:

      It has nothing to do with the offense. All about the pitching.

      When you score 6 runs that should be a win.

      • WhittakerWalt says:

        Not when Chase Whitley is your starting pitcher.

        • TheRealGreg says:

          Exactly. That’s why it’s the pitchers fault.

          • WhittakerWalt says:

            Who cares about fault? Whitley is a nobody. He can’t be expected to produce. He started melting down almost immediately. The offense certainly saw it happening, and saw it happening early. Scoring in the first two innings and then going to sleep is never a good idea.

  68. vicki says:

    how ’bout that two-hole?

  69. ALZ says:


  70. BigBlueAL says:

    Mentioned this earlier, wish I was old enough to have watched Righetti’s no-hitter on July 4th, 1983 (i was only 3 yo at the time). When I got older he and Mattingly were my favorite players but I only remember Rags as the closer not as a starting pitcher.

    • Marty l says:

      Saw Star Wars that day with my son who s 42 now.:) Saw the last 3 innings on the “tube” (TV) as called back then. Who made the last out? How? Need a hint? Just ask.

  71. JGYank says:

    2 triples in one game.

  72. Dave G says:

    What would it take to get or Colon or Burnett (after all Kenny Rodgers was here twice).

  73. WhittakerWalt says:

    Well yes, but Whitley is not exactly Mr. Shutdown. It’s not about who’s right or who’s wrong. Whitley isn’t a factor. The offense will have to win this game.

    • JGYank says:

      They still have the lead at least. Anyone unavailable in the pen?

    • TheRealGreg says:

      But their offense for the most part has proven incapable of winning games on their own. So when they do score some runs, gotta make it stick.

      • WhittakerWalt says:

        You can throw around words like “gotta” and “must” but it’s irrelevant to the reality of this game. They will almost certainly need to score more than 6 runs to win this one. It’s depressing, but then much of this season has been depressing.

  74. Yankeefan91 says:

    We seem to hit better in bigger parks maybe we should exchange Citi Field and Yankee Stadium.

  75. WhittakerWalt says:

    Yeah, the offense is going into roll-over mode now. It was fun while it lasted.

  76. WhittakerWalt says:

    Suzyn wants David Huff to start. Yikes.

  77. JGYank says:

    Looking out the pen workload, we really need to use Thornton more often. I know he’s not the best option to bring in, but we really should start taking the pressure off of Dellin and the others. I think he’s done well recently too. Huff has been pretty active recently so he won’t last long. May have to use Miller in this one along with Thornton.

    • JGYank says:

      Thornton’s not even on pace to throw 35 innings this year. Betances and Warren are already in the 40s in IP.

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      Thornton is godawful against righties though. He’d be facing a ton of them.

      • Dave G says:

        The Phillies are one of the rare teams who are out of it. AJ Burnett is most likely going to retire after the season. I’d try to work something out with the Phills.

      • JGYank says:

        True, but he hasn’t even hit 20 innings yet. If we give him more innings in blowouts that’ll help Huff and they can use him more often against lefties when we’re ahead so Betances/Warren/Kelley need to face fewer batters.

        • TheRealGreg says:

          “if we give him more innings in blowouts”

          Would be nice to have some blowouts for these innings. This could have been one.

        • Dave G says:

          Thorton is a below average pitcher, it’s that simple. We haven’t exactly played many laughers (in which we were in the lead).

          • JGYank says:

            Don’t need the lead to use him. Just give him an inning in any blowout and just give him a LHB or two to start/end an inning instead of Warren/Betances/Kelley throwing an entire inning too often.

            • Dave G says:

              The problem is he blows. If you can use him as a mop-up guy, I agree, do it.

              But as a “lefty specialist”, which he supposedly is, he just does not have the ability.

          • JGYank says:

            Not saying he should pitch really often or regularly, but just put him out there more often in the right spots (low/medium leverage, higher leverage for a LHB or two. nothing more than that) For example, if Warren has been used a lot but can still pitch and then there’s back to back lefties coming up 2nd and 3rd with a 2 run lead, use Warren to start the inning and use Thornton to get the next two and finish the inning.

  78. Dave G says:

    The Phillies are one of the rare teams who are out of it. AJ Burnett is most likely going to retire after the season. I’d try to work something out with the Phills.

  79. JGYank says:

    Clean inning just what we needed.

  80. ALZ says:

    Ichiro staying busy out there.

  81. TheRealGreg says:

    Roberts has been sensing Refsnyder coming for his job.

  82. ALZ says:

    Doing his best Refsnyder impersonation.

  83. Yankeefan91 says:

    Roberts Looking like The Old Roberts the Extra base Machine.

  84. CashmanNinja says:

    Hands down Roberts’ best game as a Yankee. He’s padding his OPS today.

  85. WhittakerWalt says:

    One pitch? Really?

  86. Yankeefan91 says:

    why not leave huff in and if he gets in trouble then bring in warren ?

  87. Tom says:

    Surprised Girardi didn’ at least leave Huff in for Fuld

  88. TheRealGreg says:

    Dont like this move. Think you could have gotten another inning out of Huff.

  89. nycsportzfan says:

    Hopefully BROB can hand this one off to DROB for a 4th of July W. Nothing as american as Yankees Winning.

  90. JGYank says:

    Adding on to my point earlier, could use Thornton to go after Fuld, then brought in Warren. Or bring in Thornton against Parmelee.

    • JGYank says:

      But nope. Burn out Dellin.

      • TheRealGreg says:

        Dan Otero from Oakland leads the majors in IP for a reliever with 52.1

        • JGYank says:

          So what? You’re just pointing to another overused reliever. Why have Thornton if he’s not going to be used? He hasn’t pitched in 3 days.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

        Problem is in most cases, they can only use Thornton for one batter at a time, and even then, it’s not really worth it because their good righties are just as good or better than Thornton at getting lefties out.
        Saving somebody one batter in an outing really isn’t going to make a substantial difference.
        Really what they need is another reliable non-OOGY (or 2) so that Warren and Betances don’t have to pitch, or pitch multiple innings in, every close game.

        • TheRealGreg says:

          That’s what Kelley was supposed to do.

        • JGYank says:

          Yes but they don’t have that. Kelley could be that but isn’t pitching well. If Joe had been using Thornton for even just one or 2 LHB all season to ease off of Warren/Dellin, they would both have several less innings and may be more effective. Thornton has barely been used at all this year and has effective numbers against LHB. They can use him for at least a couple of batters. Most fans just don’t want to see him out there because Warren and Dellin have been so good.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

            Taking one batter (and a few pitches)out of an appearance isn’t going to have much or any impact.
            No reason to go with a lesser reliever when there is likely to be little or no payoff.
            If he could give Warren or Betances an entire day or inning off that would be different, but that’s really not the case.

            • JGYank says:

              It’s a worse reliever, but with a platoon advantage that closes the gap somewhat if not completely. He probably could give them entire innings off but would probably have to face a righty, which wouldn’t ideal. There’s nothing wrong with mixing and matching even for just one batter.

              • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                “It’s a worse reliever, but with a platoon advantage that closes the gap somewhat if not completely”

                Unless they PH.
                There is no advantage to using Thornton, so why risk it just to save 3-4 pitches?

                • JGYank says:

                  Good point, although PH won’t happen too often. I looked up the numbers and Warren has a reverse split for some reason and I’m sure Betances is more effective than pretty much anyone, so I guess it is moot. Still Warren and Betances need more rest. Kelley needs to step up at the very least.

      • Dave G says:

        The alternative is sacrifice the game and bring in Thorton.

        He is not going to pitch in big spots.

        • JGYank says:

          Not even that big of a spot and like I said earlier Thornton has been great against LHB this year. Hasn’t given up a XBH against them this year.

  91. WhittakerWalt says:

    Even Betances is hardly a sure thing these days. He’s been very, very shaky of late.

  92. nycsportzfan says:

    Don’t seem those ex AB’s are doing much for KJ now a days. Pretty Solarte esque if you ask me.

    Oh well, he’ll get into a power groove for a bit at sometime. Just dead wood lately though.

  93. Farewell Mo says:

    Why is Thornton on the team if you can’t use him to get out a lefty in the bottom of the 7th?

    • Tom says:

      Because baseball rules – you must have a LOOGY in the pen.

      Just be glad the Yankees have seemed to move on from the 2 LOOGY approach – for a few years they seemed to be determined to have 2 lefty specialists in the pen (though Logan could do a bit more than get lefties out)

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      Why is Jim Miller on the team?
      Or Chase Whitley?
      Or Vidal Nuno?

      Lack of better options.

    • JGYank says:

      LHBs don’t have an XBH against him, are hitting less than .230, and he hasn’t pitched in 3 days. Meanwhile Dellin and Warren are overused. I don’t get it.

    • Dave G says:

      Because Girardi knows that Dean Anna has better stuff than Thorton. The only reason Thorton is still here is that he is left handed and he is a Cashman off-season FA signing getting decent money.

      I think he is gone soon.

  94. WhittakerWalt says:

    Yeah, as I was saying about Betances…

  95. nycsportzfan says:

    Jeez those guys got alittle close for comfort there. Ichiro makes the grab though. 1down. 2 more Big D!!

  96. WhittakerWalt says:

    Fucking shifts.

  97. nycsportzfan says:

    Man, this has had a tight rope feel to it many times today and never more then right now. Just has had a bad feel after taking big lead and giving much of it back so quickly. Please hope i’m wrong. Come on Big D!

  98. FIPster Doofus says:

    Jesus. What a play.

  99. Farewell Mo says:

    Zealous is a chubby little guy, isn’t he?

    Has a little Kirby Puckett thing going on.

  100. Tom says:

    Nice play by Roberts.

    Without the addiction to shifts, this might have been a relatively stress free (and scoreless) inning.

  101. nycsportzfan says:

    One DROB scoreless inn away.

  102. Rolling Doughnut says:


  103. JGYank says:

    Cervelli’s made the most of his start today.

  104. miron says:

    Halfway through the season and Betances already looks like he’s been Scott Proctor’d.

  105. Tom says:

    Gardenhire is using his closer down a run? Is that allowed?

  106. TheRealGreg says:


  107. nycsportzfan says:


  108. Tom says:

    My oh my…


  109. yankeepankee says:

    Hi all.
    See that Nats are shopping Ross Detwiler.
    He’d be our No. 2 starter.
    Go get’m Cashy!
    New league, lefty, funky. And still low 90′s mph. Seen him at 94.
    Buried in Nats pen and complaining he wants to start.
    He’d help us.

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      No. 2 starter? What? He hasn’t been good this year at all and would need to be stretched out anyway.

  110. nycsportzfan says:

    Its gonna be reversed? They should have a door then they have to close so its a border all the way across. That should be a judgement call, and I think a out.

  111. FIPster Doofus says:

    Wheeler’s pretty lovable.

  112. Yankeefan91 says:

    that’s kinda a dumb rule, when you catch a ball over the wall its still a out andn your feet are still in the air or hanging on the wall.

  113. TheRealGreg says:

    That’s a bullshit rule IMO. If you catch it, you catch it. Doesn’t matter where you catch it

  114. vicki says:

    whew. this thing was stamped for a nuni walk-off, and you all knew it.

  115. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    All of these DRob K’s are getting boring.

  116. Wolfgang's Fault says:

    Wheeler’s teammates rather unzelous response to protecting their teammate. Not one of them there in time to keep the Zelous one on the field and safe. Wheeler could have seriously hurt himself there once those cleats hit the dugout steps/floor. You gotta get off your butt, stop watching, and react to help your teammate there.

  117. Tom says:

    Cowboy Joe! Might have been a bit generous… but it was down the middle in the box score.

  118. Wolfgang's Fault says:

    What a great game this has been. Gotta get this 3rd out though.

  119. Yankeefan91 says:

    good gamee yankees win

  120. nycsportzfan says:

    Winning Streak!!!!lol

    Seriously monster win and huge game for BROB and Cerv!

  121. WhittakerWalt says:

    Damn, DRob strikes out the side every game!

    • vicki says:

      for reals. as vulgar as his k/9 and k%; watching the games, it’s almost surprising they’re that low.

  122. chris says:

    Another win with jeter on the pine.

  123. nycsportzfan says:

    Lets go A’s!

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